WEBVTT - #2056 Will Pens Be A 'Thing' In Ten Years? - Patrick Bonello 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.560 I'll get a team. It's you project, it's Patrick. It's 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:08.280 my favorite. He's back and it's my other favorite tip. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.160 They're both back. It's like the fucking wall of favorites. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.240 As I look at my I was going to say, 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.840 TV screen. That's how old I'm It's like a TV screen, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.759 isn't it. It's like something from the seventies. They've really evolved, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:25.400 haven't they look at them? What with the wireless and everything? Hello, Patrick, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:25.960 how are. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.080 You let me dial my rotary dial phone and we'll 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:30.440 connect on the phone. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.040 Yes, let's do that. I'll send my carrier pigeon over 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.239 to you, just to inform you of what's going on. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:37.600 With a note and it's God. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.720 I was talking to someone about writing handwriting letters. I 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.840 love writing cards to people, and it's one of those 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.440 things to receive a written note these days. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.960 It's so unique. I'm good, by the way, thank you 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.440 for asking, how are you? 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.280 I'm good? Thank you? Tiff? What do you think the 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.120 writing the like with a pen? As I'm holding up 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.520 a pen just like Tiff would no unless I fucking 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.720 held one. I don't know why I'm doing this visual prompt, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.039 but nonetheless I'm still doing it that's. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.479 Getting close to your eye, mate, be careful, don't take 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:11.400 yourself in the eye with that. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.800 Come on, yeah, thanks mom. If what do you think 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.200 the chances of the younger generation being able to use 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.800 one of these in ten years is like, do you 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.959 think we'll still have children in schools writing on paper 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.319 with pens or that will be obsolete. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.560 It's interesting, isn't it. Maybe it'll make itself obsolete, but 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.120 then won't it be a beautiful craft like people that 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.399 have the ability to do that, Like if in. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.000 The you know, I know, Patrick's going to say, oh, 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.240 we need to hold on to it, and I get it, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.600 and it's romantic and it's beautiful. But in the real 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.680 world beyond that, I don't think people are going to 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.640 be writing with pens on paper. I think kids from 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.000 a young age you're going to be using computers and 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.520 everything's going to be done in that modality. What are 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:00.400 your thoughts, Patrick? 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.120 My thoughts are that you are completely and totally utterly wrong, 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.240 and new studies are now actually encouraging. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.000 In primary school, you always say new studies, reference the 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:10.920 study right now. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.040 It's a study right now. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.720 I don't say studies, tell us tell me the name 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.760 of the study, or I don't believe you. Look, this 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.239 is your go to this is your go to studies. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.839 Tell us there was this, don't fucking say that. Tell 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.440 me the name of the study, and don't start looking 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.640 it up now I am looking it up. Are you 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.760 telling me? Are you telling me that you think in 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.520 ten years that kids will be writing on paper with 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.440 pens more than they are now? 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.799 Yes, I'm telling you now that they are. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.919 No, no, no, you're giving me your opinion now, don't 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.000 know this is your opinion, right, don't get over the 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:58.320 top with what you're not fucking nostradamis article I read recently, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.520 because articles never get it wrong that. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:11.480 Schools are now reintroducing pens because the mechanism for writing 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:16.400 words means that children are able to articulate and learn 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:21.320 in a much more rapid pace when they take notes 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.400 and they write it down. Because the act of actually 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.680 writing the words, forming the letters, combining the words helps 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.480 greatly with learning and part of learning process. So at 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.400 least in Victoria, there is a move to really strongly 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.920 encourage kids away from tablets and back to handwriting. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.360 I think theoretically that's brilliant, and I hope that is true, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.120 and I hope that. I mean, just because they're doing 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.760 like that would be great. But I don't know that 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.960 that in a decade that the standard is going to 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.160 be kids writing on paper. I think it's going to 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.640 be the exception, not the rule. Ye, Like, I'm with you, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.240 like I think for left brain right brain kind of 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:11.080 creativity and that tactile thing of actually doing something that's 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.200 fluid with with a pen on a page. But then 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.000 all the greenies are going to go, no, we need 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.400 to stop using all the paper and we're killing all 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:20.039 the trees. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:26.080 There's that Raising Raising Children dot net dot au son 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:30.080 austraining parenting website states handwriting is an important part of 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.880 literacy and an essential skillful life. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:33.800 There you go. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.720 Yeah, Still, that's just a website saying for something. It's 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:43.680 not research, is it? I love, Let's be clear. Let's 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.200 be clear. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.160 If when you come out of the ring just punching 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.599 like shit, that's Craig this morning. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:49.840 Right. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:50.120 No. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.800 No, I'm just saying, like, I don't have to agree 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.159 with everything you say just because you're saying it. I 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.640 can say cool, you say research, where is it? And 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.359 you go, I don't know. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.799 Queensland curriculum and Assessment authority supporting your child development. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.920 Ye still not research, Still not research, Just a fucking 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:16.479 website saying something, an education website. So what So what 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.799 you know? Science used to tell us that the world 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.960 was flat. Science used to tell us that the food 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.640 pyramid was good. Science used to tell us that pregnant 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.840 women should have polidamine. There's a lot of things that 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.279 turn out not to be true. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.160 I'll send you a link to the National Library the 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.240 neuroscience behind writing. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.480 But I believe you with that, Like, I truly I agree. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.200 I think it's great. That's not the question. The question 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.560 is will it still be around? So you and I 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.359 are on the same page. I think I wish that 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.119 we're all still writing, and I wish we were using 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.960 both hands. Like, if you're listening to this and you're 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.320 a parent and you want your kid's brain to develop, great, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.760 get them to do things with both hands. Get them 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.359 to write and draw with both hands. Get them to 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.160 play games with both hands. Hold a tennis racket, at 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:12.080 cricket bat, you know whatever, play with dolls with both hands, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.080 like try to What about when you're getting dressed and 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.360 you try to button up your shirt with your your 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:23.240 non dominant hands. It's like the fucking I was going 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.719 to say something very inappropriate. Have you ever I know 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.239 I can't. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.400 I can't to say it. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.760 No, I really can't. I would really actually get in trouble. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:35.400 I know. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.320 For me to pull back is yeah, wow. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.120 You know what I was just thinking. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.040 You were talking about handwriting in schools and whether that's 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.680 going to be present in ten years time. Let's step 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:52.000 back to even earlier learning. What about kids drawing with crayons? 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.640 And you know, there's a five year old child next 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.719 door who's adorable. And when I take Fritz out to 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.400 the front yard when I'm weeding, the kids all swarm 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:03.440 because they love my dog. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.080 Right, it's not nothing to do with me. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.640 But the little girl next door she turned five, so 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.200 I got her a little gift and she wrote she 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.280 drew me this beautiful picture, and she spelt my name, 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.160 but she spelt the pee backwards, which was. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.960 Kind of cute. It was just like thank you. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.720 And I just thought I've hung it up in my office, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.120 right behind my desk, because it says. 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.040 So cute that this five year old draw a picture 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:28.280 for me. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:33.560 But the act of drawing, of creating something on paper 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.040 that kids do from quite an early age, and visualizing 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.240 the world and then articulating it in such a way. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.680 You know, kids draw even before they speak sometimes, but 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.640 to draw mummy and daddy, or to draw a picture 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.520 of a sky with the sun in it, those things 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:54.320 just they're going to be around, you know, that taxile connectedness. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.600 So I think that, you know, is that the precursor 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:03.320 to writing further maybe hopefully Now I like to think, yeah, all. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.480 Right, let's move on, let's look at some of it. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.400 Let's look at what's on your list. I don't disagree, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.600 by the way, in terms of your premise that it's 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.600 great for the brain and great for development. We're on 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.760 the same page with that. Okay. Biology scientists are excited 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.040 by gel that's going to repair tooth enamel. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:23.440 This is pretty big. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.920 This is just really really big because we can't grow 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.720 new enamel on our teeth, you know, as we get over, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:31.720 you get older. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:32.760 It's a real problem. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.480 And this is a concern right around the world because 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.079 the World Health Organization says about three point seven billion 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.920 people suffer from oral disease with the enamel degradation. So 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.480 when the enamel breaks down, it leaves your teeth susceptible, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.600 so that's one of the big causes, and decay can 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:59.040 lead to things like diabetes, vascular disease, so bad oral 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:03.280 health is a real problem. And so the scientists have 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.560 developed a possible treatment. 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.400 So this is out of the University of Nottingham. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.120 And they believe that they've come up with I guess 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.520 a chemical environmental engineering department have been working on this 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.840 research to have a protein based substance that mimics the 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.760 key features that are used in enamel to develop. So 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.280 this is what babies have when they're growing your teeth. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.960 Infants use this kind of this process to develop the 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.760 enamel around the teeth. It's kind of like a scaffolding 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.480 that goes on a tooth. And now they're saying they 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.800 may be able to use these calcium and phosphate ions 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.840 are ions that are in saliva and mimic that so 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.959 that we can regrow the enamel. This is we're talking 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.280 This may be as soon as like twelve to eighteen 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.240 months away and that could be revolutionary for people, but 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.160 particularly for those people who you know. I often think 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.240 about the safety net we have with medy care here 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.800 in Australia and there's so many safety nets for people 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.720 who get sick, but the one area that there isn't 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.800 a lot of care for is people who you know, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.640 don't have a lot of money and can't afford dental work. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.000 And the ramifications of people having bad teeth can be 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.880 I mean, aside from the cosmetic side of it and 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.080 losing confidence, the other aspect is the heart conditions and 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.760 potential you know, ongoing effects of having dental disease. And 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.600 we don't have a big safety net in there for 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.080 adults who lose their teeth. I mean, I know, I 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.080 think kids can get free dental treatment, but adults can't, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.680 and so this could be a life changer for so 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.480 many people who just can't afford to go to the dentist. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:48.000 Yeah, it's true. It's if you've got kind of mouth issues, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.960 or teeth issues, or gum issues, or kind of infection 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.280 issues in the mouth, which is a lot of people. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:11:00.480 There's a kind of a downstream physiological clinical consequence of that, which, 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.240 as you said, is often heart issues, but moreover just 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.559 like people. Yeah, there's just when I had my infection, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:13.160 which is not mouth but closely located in my ears, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.079 I had like an infection in my head, as in 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:22.000 my Eustachian tubes, and I felt fucking terrible for six months, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.800 but I thought it was something else, so I didn't 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.760 even get a CT scan on my head, which I 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.800 ended up having to get, because I thought it was 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.199 I don't know. I thought I had diabetes. I thought 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.760 I had chronic fatigue. I've got a thing called pernicious anemia, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.960 which makes you tired. I thought I had prostate issues. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.640 I thought all of these things, and what I had 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.680 was an infection in my head. And so I had 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:50.600 six months of all of these pretty shitty symptoms, and 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.520 I took one course of antibiotics and everything went away. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.240 I'm like, oh, oh, and that's just from that one 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.960 thing in my head. That infection basically fucked up, like 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.400 even down to brain function. I feel like my brain 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.640 was a six out of ten for like six months, 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.599 and I thought I was just I was scared. I 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:11.440 was a little bit scared. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.240 I want to treat this with the seriousness that deserves 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.520 because I think medical conditions should be something that we 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.240 think about a lot and we protect ourselves from. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.240 But I want to take. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:28.199 That leap from an head infection to your prostate. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:35.080 Yeah, well, because yeah, well the symptoms were I was 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.959 weaning a lot, right, Okay, I was weaning a lot, 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.160 I was lethargic, my cognitive function was down, so they 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:49.640 were just symptoms which often shouldn't be associated with that. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.760 So I literally thought I was diabetic. I thought I 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.560 had prostate issues. I thought I had and I wrote 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.800 out a list like I did all this research, like 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.240 I fucking knew what I'm doing, pretending, oh look, I'm 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.400 almost a doctor. So then I went into my actual 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.960 doctor and I said this is what I think's going on, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.160 and he went, fucking he fuck, what are your symptoms? 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.079 So I told him and he went, well, you could 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.800 be on the money. Then I had all this, I 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.320 had urine tests, I had blood tests, and then he 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.679 calls me in and he goes, well, you got none 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.920 of that, but you've got a fucking infection in your head. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.600 I went, ah, months of this, Holy Molly, Oh dude, dude, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.679 I was And also I'm a big baby, so that 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:32.320 doesn't help. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.200 The moral of the story is blakes go to the 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:36.040 doctor more often. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.920 That is, probably probably don't go to doctor Google as much, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:46.560 ye doctor chat GPTV. Patrick tell Us why Google is 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.679 putting data centers in space if you would tell us 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:50.920 that that'd be nice. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.800 Well, it's kind of we're talking as early as twenty 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.080 twenty seven that we could. This is a problem with AI, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.800 the need for data centers in the rece courses they use, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:07.200 so water usage has just ballooned because they need water 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:08.559 to cool the data centers. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.880 The theory is that if you put a. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.400 Data center in orbit four hundred miles above the Earth, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.880 then you don't have the cooling problems because space in 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.560 essence is pretty damn cold. But you could orient the 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.800 solar panels and be constantly generating the power that you 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.760 would need. So we'vein a very short amount of time, 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.800 and in fact, in a couple of years, there are 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.440 more ships, there are more rockets launching satellites, so getting 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.640 stuff into space is a lot cheaper than it ever 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.720 has been. So there's more stuff going up, and the 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.920 running costs by twenty thirty could be you know, a 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.080 space based data center could be comparable to one on Earth. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.560 And oh, obviously tired data Trader is a big thing. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.960 And I just asked two two questions. One Tiff is 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.880 for you. Could you just look up what's the ten 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.080 pictura space? And I know space is fucking big, but 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.920 could you just find out like a range and Patrick two, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.800 what is it? Arta center? Is that just like a 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:16.520 physical space with a bazillion like I'm picturing like a 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.880 fucking basketball stadium full of computers? 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.200 Is that pretty well? Is that they're not always as 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.400 big as a basketball court. But that's exactly what You're right, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.720 You're right. It's artist is a place where they have 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.240 racks and racks of machines. So the computers are all 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.440 arranged in racks all the all the you know, the 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.000 big I get processing brains that we use for the 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.640 Internet and for AI and all the things that we 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.480 store and save and process on a constant basis. Because 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.400 when we think about a lot of what we do nowadays, 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.120 a lot of the processing is going on in the cloud. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.520 When we talk about that, we talk about a data 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.360 center that's remote from our computer. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.160 So our computers don't. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.120 Have to be as powerful because the processing is going 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.440 on at the data center end. When you go to 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.480 chat GPT, all the smarts that go into answering your 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.240 question isn't happening on your computer. Your computers linked up 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:09.120 to the Data center. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.200 Yeah, TIF, any answer for us? Does it say cold 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:14.680 as fuck? 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.280 It? Well, it says, says a whole bunch of stuff, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.440 and then it says because that's how much Chatters talks 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:26.720 minus two hundred and seventy degrees celsius. In other words, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.360 colder than your ex is heart after a messy breakup. Thanks. Check. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.680 Oh look at chat GPT being funny. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:34.640 Wow. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:40.680 Wow, it also knows you Patrick's coffin his little testicles 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.760 out over there is mute in himself. Fucking hell, did 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.960 you just, Nellie, as my mum would say, did you 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.800 nearly have a fucking epoplexy? Whatever? That is. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.560 What it epoplexy is? Tell us I look at epoplexy please. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:57.960 I don't think it's a real word. But I do 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.280 have another question for you, which is not on your list. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.560 My question is how do you think? In fact, both 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.199 of you all want your opinion, but we'll start with 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.440 you Patrick. So the ban on social media for sixteen 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.440 year olds comes in in the next week or two, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.840 depending on what state you're in. How do you reckon 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.720 that's going to go? Mate? And why? 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.719 Yeah, smart kids will get around it. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.000 VPNs get you know, using a virtual private network to 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.960 pretend that you're in another country. I mean, two minds 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:33.000 about this. I really feel that social media can be 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.920 quite damaging for young people if it's used, you know, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.560 in the wrong ways. And we know that the algorithms 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.320 of a lot of social media aren't necessarily pro health 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:48.639 and well being and mental health. Now I worry for 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.680 kids in rural areas who are disenfranchised, who are disconnected. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.600 You know, there was a recent article I read about 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.159 kids who go to boarding school. You know, they are 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.080 going to come home and separate from all their friends. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.760 How do they contact each other? Most young people these 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.679 days you snapchat, which is a messaging service, but it 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.840 also delivers video, and that's the problem. That's why it's 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.440 included in the band. So they're not trying to stop 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.679 kids from talking to each other. But if the social 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:20.199 media platform that they're using to communicate also happens to 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.240 be a video delivery platform, then. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.320 It's part of the band. And that's where, you know. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.560 I had one of my mates came out from Adelaide 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.679 recently came across from Adelaide with his girlfriend and his 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.120 daughter and granddaughter, and I asked the thirteen year old 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.560 how she felt about because she's just on Snapchat for 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.200 the whole time talking to her boyfriend. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.160 Boyfriend thirteen. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.480 Wow, that was a bit of an eye open and 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.000 form constantly chatting to each other, video chatting, all that 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.400 sort of stuff. But the platform that they were on 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.040 is a platform that's going to get banned. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.360 And so her mother was looking. 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.920 At how are we going to keep the kids connected? 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.800 And I think that that's the concern that I have. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:06.399 I you know, and school parents giving kids permission to 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.359 use social media, giving them phones. You know, we in 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.320 a nanny state where everything that has to happen has 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.000 to be dictated by a government and legislation. You know, 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.639 whatever happened to parenting where we take responsibility for the 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.480 devices we're giving to kids, you know, and we trust them. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.560 We trust that they're going to do the right thing. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.200 We talk to them, we have adult conversations and we say, look, 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.200 this is what you need to look out for when 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.320 you're online. You know, you're not allowed to have your 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.119 phone in your room after a certain time. Friends of 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.000 mine do that, all the kids, all the family, including 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.160 the parents, put their phone the kitchen, the charge overnight. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.719 They don't have their phones in their rooms. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.720 So I get that the ban is important in some ways, 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.360 but I'm always mindful of being told to do something 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.679 that effectively takes that control away from parents and kids 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.760 and disenfranchisees children. You know, if you're a trans kid 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.000 living in the middle of the bush, you may lose 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:07.240 contact with your community online and it could be really 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.520 hard for them to connect with people their peers because 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.480 they don't have that in their own community. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.960 I hate it when you and I agree, it's fucking annoying, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.960 very annoying. What do you think? What do you think? 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.200 You know what I think? I wonder what the effect 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.680 of how it undermines real laws. So now something that 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:33.040 seemingly stupid becomes outlawed, so kids get desensitized to breaking 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:37.399 the law. Right, there's no deal. I'll just do this 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.120 and you're not legally allowed to Will I do it? Anyway? 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.560 I wonder this is a good question. I mean, maybe 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.080 I'm stating the obvis Is it a law. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:48.639 Or is it? 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.320 Like? Is there is it a criminal act for a 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.600 fifteen year old to be on fucking Instagram? Like? Is 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:56.359 that a crime? 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:57.720 Is a question? 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:03.000 Yeah? I would Yeah, there's just a lot going on, 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.080 and I'm with you. I just look, we need we 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.360 need governance, and we need police and we need all 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.159 of that. Of course we do, and it's great and 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.080 we're so grateful. But also like when you've got the 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.119 government saying your child can't do this, and it's not 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.399 like we're talking about running around with a machete, like 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.360 we're talking about using an app on a phone. As 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:31.480 you said, Patrick, in some cases, those kids having access 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.200 to other people via this medium is going to be 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.600 good for their health, good for their social life, good 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.280 for their state of mind. And I think to say 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.880