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Speaker 1: This is the Fitting in Whip with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 1: Guys wanted to bring up to speed on thirty six

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Speaker 1: months and the age ban from social media change in

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Speaker 1: the age from thirteen to sixteen because of City in

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Speaker 1: Parliament this week. It's been fascinating to see so much unfold.

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Speaker 1: I mean Peter Dutton was in the studio back in June,

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Speaker 1: who threw his support behind this campaign.

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Speaker 2: And then you know the Prime.

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Speaker 1: Minister a couple of weeks ago made that all important commitment,

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Speaker 1: an announcement that he would make this crucial change.

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Speaker 2: Well we saw you in canber too well.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is off the back of one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty thousand signatures at thirty six months dot com

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Speaker 1: dot au. That's one hundred and thirty thousand motivated parents

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Speaker 1: saying enough is enough.

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Speaker 2: And what was great in support?

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Speaker 1: Also you GV A survey came out recently, this was

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Speaker 1: just yesterday and they found that seventy seventy seven percent

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Speaker 1: of the community support the change. So we understand that

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Speaker 1: everybody is behind this. But here's the fascinating part. I

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Speaker 1: just want to clear up a couple of things. Because

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Speaker 1: you've got the big tech companies that come out and

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Speaker 1: simply try to muddy the water because complications to them

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Speaker 1: mean delays, which means more profit.

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Speaker 2: They don't care about kids. They care about money, of course,

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Speaker 2: and we all know that. It's just been the angles

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Speaker 2: have been quite interruing.

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Speaker 3: And I feel as though that the more questions they ask,

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Speaker 3: the more they muddy the waters. It's look over, look, over.

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Speaker 2: Ear look social media. The companies have never been in

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Speaker 2: it for us.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to extract as much money in our eyes

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Speaker 3: as much as they care.

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Speaker 2: So here's a couple of cleanup.

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Speaker 1: So people have been suggesting that, you know, if there

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Speaker 1: is a change, then the social media platforms, who we're

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Speaker 1: going to need to make changes themselves, are going to

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Speaker 1: require digital ID. Now this is simply not true. So

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Speaker 1: amendments have even been made to the bill to make

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Speaker 1: sure that digital IDs would not be required. No drivers license,

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Speaker 1: no passport, no further proof of digital ID.

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Speaker 2: It does not exist. It's not in the bill, right,

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Speaker 2: so you can't have that.

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Speaker 1: The other point too, which has been a major one,

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Speaker 1: that there's also been a concern about marginalized kids. You know,

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Speaker 1: for example, the LGBTQI plus communities finding like minded people

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Speaker 1: they're not banning the internet. They're not banning websites, they're

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Speaker 1: not banning chat rooms, they're not banning messenger services. These

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Speaker 1: still exist. So great example is will next door over

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Speaker 1: he's fifteen. The other day he said, oh, I made

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Speaker 1: heard about the ban. All the guys have now gone

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Speaker 1: from Snapchat and we've formed a group on WhatsApp.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. That's great. Exactly what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: That's much more connected, isn't it. And I don't want

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Speaker 3: to go on Snapchat If you want to, if you

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Speaker 3: want to find a beautiful community, you go on.

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Speaker 2: Snapchat, go on Twitter, don't you.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a closed group without That's what WhatsApp is.

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Speaker 1: It's a closed group without algorithms, which is free from

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Speaker 1: bullies and creeps. Meta came out on the topic and

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Speaker 1: said age variation technology just isn't there yet, and the

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Speaker 1: apps would need to collect personal data.

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Speaker 2: We've already written that one out.

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Speaker 1: So TikTok admitted that last year they removed seventy six

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Speaker 1: million underage accounts. One million of those were in Australia,

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Speaker 1: so they have the tech. It already exists. Here's a

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Speaker 1: great hypothetical for Mata. Imagine if they got paid one

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars every time they were able to identify a

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Speaker 1: child was under the age of sixteen.

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Speaker 2: How do you reckon that? Go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to wind back to the start and

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Speaker 1: talk about why we're here. It's about the direct correlation

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Speaker 1: between the impact of social media and the psychological damage

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Speaker 1: on kids. Depression, anxiety, eating disorders, suicide. There are so

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Speaker 1: many families living actual tragedies and how's this from behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes. In the past six months, we've had someone

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Speaker 1: from each of these social media giants that has given

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Speaker 1: a team member at thirty six months a hug and

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Speaker 1: privately said keep doing what you're doing. The reason why

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Speaker 1: because they were all parents, but they don't want to

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Speaker 1: be identified.

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Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Scott Galloway, he's the clinical professor of marketing

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Speaker 1: and why you what's more challenging figuring out if someone

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Speaker 1: is younger than sixteen or building a global real time

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Speaker 1: communication network that stores a near infinite amount of text, video,

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Speaker 1: and all audio retrieval by billions of simultaneous users in

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Speaker 1: milliseconds with twenty four to seven up time. The social

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Speaker 1: media giants know where you are. They know what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: They know how you're feeling, but they can't figure out

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Speaker 1: your age. You couldn't make this shit up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and can I just say, We even had somebody

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Speaker 3: on air this morning, a dad who called about something

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Speaker 3: completely different and he stopped down to say, just you know, Jess,

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Speaker 3: thank you. He has teens who are going to have

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Speaker 3: to give up social media come the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's that's who we need.

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Speaker 2: To be expreen for relief. Yeah, forget the.

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Speaker 3: Procession to support, even just as a fellow parent.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the parents. That's all we can do, Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: get this done. Sits in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is

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