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Speaker 1: Five Double A Knights with Matthew Pantellas. Let's talk space

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Speaker 1: with Astro Dave Dave Renniche from Astro Space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, goodness, you're good to be with you again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Likewise, Now the latest UFO disclosure. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the headline on your web page. Is it a groundbreaking

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Speaker 1: revelation or just more of the same.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's all I can say. Just honestly, we've got

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Speaker 2: I've been in this subject for about forty years now.

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Speaker 2: I was there. Look, I was a full time investigator.

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in this subject. And

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Speaker 2: given that I can talk assliudibly on it because my

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Speaker 2: point of view, is there something here. There's definitely something

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Speaker 2: in the in the report, in the literature. There are

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Speaker 2: so many people reporting the same thing. There's definitely something

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Speaker 2: going on. But the thing that I can't reconcile, I

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Speaker 2: cannot get over is this word disclosure. Now we're told

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Speaker 2: that there's governments around the world have got bodies of

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Speaker 2: aliens and aft that they've reversed engineered. If you're going

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Speaker 2: to reverse engineer some of these things that're with what

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Speaker 2: we can see they're doing, I mean they justify every

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Speaker 2: non law, physics and gravity. Why are we still traveling

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Speaker 2: an aeroplane? I mean, I don't guess this. What I

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Speaker 2: don't get, I'm giving my high horse about it. What

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Speaker 2: I don't get is this constant disclosure, this BS that

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Speaker 2: goes on now with the United Nations and governments and

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Speaker 2: wait on, we're going to and then what turns up

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Speaker 2: is another video for another film. It's to me, it's

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Speaker 2: a big conjob. I'm sorry, there's nothing in there to

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Speaker 2: me to really look at. Show me the money is

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Speaker 2: what it's all about. Where's the evidence for it? If

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Speaker 2: there's so much going on here and there's so many

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Speaker 2: people of high caliber have got concrete evidence, why haven't

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Speaker 2: we seen it? Why are the photos or blurry? Why

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Speaker 2: is the information on We can't say anything because it's

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Speaker 2: top secrets. That's my point of view. I just don't

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Speaker 2: get it. I don't understand why they're still buck rising

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Speaker 2: around with this thing. I mean, is there something there,

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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at it. If there's not, don't

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Speaker 2: bucking me with these stupid disclasing things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, if if aliens crashed a rose, were

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Speaker 1: it right?

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Speaker 2: They crash?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well exactly, but they got all this way and

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Speaker 1: then decided to swam into the ground. Really, that's what

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Speaker 1: that's my view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make sense, and I'm not gonna I'm

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Speaker 2: not I'm not a disclaimer, I'm not an the center.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a pragmatist, I really am. I want to

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Speaker 2: see some evidence. You can tell all the stories you

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Speaker 2: want here again, all the reports in the world. There's

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Speaker 2: millions of sartings gone on, There's hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 2: photographs been taken. Have you ever seen a clear one?

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Speaker 1: No? Never, never had.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got a phone there days, we've got video, and

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Speaker 2: I have never ever seen one clear photograph that will

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Speaker 2: tell me that there's something differente with it. Look, with

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Speaker 2: CGI and everything going on, you can't. You can't bank

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Speaker 2: on anything now, anything visual exactly. But look, if there's

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Speaker 2: anything in the reports now with Grush and other people

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Speaker 2: and the US government holding back this disclosure thing worries me.

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Speaker 2: They keep banning this thing around. I've seen seven disclosures

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Speaker 2: in my time. The first one was nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Man names Leonard Springfield got a whole bunch of people together.

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Speaker 2: There were fifteen people who said they worked on these things.

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Speaker 2: They had evidence he has the United Nations all getter.

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Speaker 2: Leonard Stringfield went to the United Nations there ready to

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Speaker 2: go and pull the plug on the whole thing. Every

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Speaker 2: one of these people, one by one pulled out. So

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Speaker 2: that was where I started way back in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 2: and they've been one every year. Go on to Facebook

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Speaker 2: and have a look. Yeah, I won't go anything.

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Speaker 1: Too much time not to waste, all right, that's that's interesting. Now,

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Speaker 1: how about going to Mars within thirty days? A high

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Speaker 1: speed si BI spacecraft concept? Is this an eland must thing?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. This is magic, This is terrific. I've

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Speaker 2: been waiting for this for a long time. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to say a predicted this. I knew this sort

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Speaker 2: of thing was going to happen. Look, engineer isn't now

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Speaker 2: testing at what's called a hyperstonic engine gives a high

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Speaker 2: amount of power and efficiency much better than a rocket.

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Speaker 2: These engines could push a vehicle to mark eight in

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Speaker 2: mark ten. But if these are the things that have

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Speaker 2: empower the aeroplanes of the future, hyperplanes that will travel

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Speaker 2: at the edge of the atmosphere, can you imagine getting

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Speaker 2: into Sydney. It's in the airport we are at heading

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Within the next couple of decades, what will happened. There

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Speaker 2: is a company called space Labs now who are working

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Speaker 2: with plasma electric propulsion. This is the coming thing. It

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Speaker 2: ionizes hydrogen, it accelerates it magnetically, no fuel, no rockets

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Speaker 2: a second. This is enough to get you from here

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Speaker 2: to Mars in thirty to sixty days, not nine months. Now.

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Speaker 2: This is not science fiction, it's real. It's happening now.

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Speaker 2: These tests are being done. They're refining a nuclear thermal

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Speaker 2: to do it. It's just got to be put into practice.

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Speaker 2: Now watch out for this. This sort of thing is

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Speaker 2: a coming. This is the future of rocketry. This is

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Speaker 2: the future of space travel. We can't you know, nine months,

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Speaker 2: seven months and all seven months of Mars. It's a

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Speaker 2: long time, but this is what's going to happen. The

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Speaker 2: results of triggered major investment around the world. Space Agency

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Speaker 2: now are getting the money coming from private enterprise. Batty

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Speaker 2: it put to make this thing work.

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Speaker 1: How about that. That's amazing, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Hypersonic engines yet? No more jets, no more anything running

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Speaker 2: by a fuel. This is a different type of technology.

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Speaker 2: Mark eight, Mark ten, Concord was marked through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goodness. All right, so that's on the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I don't know. I mean the g force on

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Speaker 1: the body? Would that be something?

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Speaker 2: Hang on, I thought you were coming. That's only evident

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Speaker 2: when you when you take off very quickly, okay, not

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Speaker 2: when you're moving in a constant spech. You know yourself.

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Speaker 2: You've traveled overseas.

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Speaker 2: That aeroplane there was moving at seven to eight hundred

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Speaker 1: Of course I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you know? Did you notice scheme pushed against

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Speaker 1: No, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's like the fly in the car as

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Speaker 1: you're driving at sixty k's an hour? Argument, it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not being left behind.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately I got one here at the moment in my office. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Graham's called him from Henley Beach? Can I Graham? Graham?

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Speaker 2: Hell?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you days. I mean, like this,

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Speaker 3: this idea that there's UFOs everywhere, there's spying on us,

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Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. Totally a load of garbage.

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Speaker 3: The best things that ever happened for our plant or

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Speaker 3: people that like you or me, or anyone that follows

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Speaker 3: space To find a microbe on Mars, or a fossil

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Speaker 3: of a microbe on Mars, or maybe in the oceans

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Speaker 3: of Europa signs of a microbe, then obviously everything opens

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Speaker 1: It points to our origence, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: If we find something, well exactly right, we came from microbes.

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Speaker 3: We evolve from a I think a single s a

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Speaker 3: single cell organism. Hm, and here we are now talking

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Speaker 3: It's kind of weird. You find a microbe, then obviously

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Speaker 3: your whole perception of the universal just explode because it

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Speaker 2: There comes a point where you've got to say, look,

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Speaker 2: can I communicate with a microbe. But we want to

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Speaker 2: work a little bit further. The thing with this UFO subject.

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Speaker 2: These reports are showing us there are aliens coming here,

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Speaker 2: or they've got bodies of aliens. Now, there's no planet

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Speaker 2: in our solar system capable of having any life. We

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Speaker 2: know that we've been to all of them, So therefore

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Speaker 2: you've got to come from one of the stars. The

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Speaker 2: for right years. It takes us eighty thousand years to

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Speaker 2: geest here at the current rate. So whatever's coming here,

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Speaker 2: of us. Now come they crush all the time. Why

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Speaker 2: figure that out. As a lot of doesn't go. There's

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Speaker 2: the fact there's no evidence for it. It's not agible

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Speaker 2: been put forward after all this time, I'd love it

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Speaker 2: to be real. I hope it's real. There were the

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Speaker 2: reports of dead set real good reports. We're in any

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Speaker 2: other context, these people's word would be taken as gospel.

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Speaker 2: In the court of war. There are people out there,

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Speaker 2: good people who are not out there to con anybody,

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Speaker 2: and they've seen things that I can't explain. I've heard

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Speaker 2: them all over the years, but it all comes down

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Speaker 2: to the Tom cruise, pride, give me, show me the money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right exactly. And you know what else, Why

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Speaker 1: are they always buzzing somebody on a dirt ride in

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Speaker 1: Really all right? And then they're always fuzzy, like you

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Speaker 2: Do take me to your leader.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So if we can get to Mars really quickly,

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Speaker 1: Dave in thirty or so days, sixty days, maybe tops

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Speaker 1: can we build a self sustaining city there in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the idea. Elon must want to do that,

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Speaker 2: amount of time makes it very very possible. And he will,

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Speaker 2: I mean if he doesn't do it, somebody else will.

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Speaker 2: This is the next place we're going to go to.

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Speaker 2: The Moon will be conquered very soon, will go back there,

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Speaker 2: but that'll only be a way station. There's not much

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Speaker 2: place that maybe unders underline, maybe maybe able to be terraformed.

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Speaker 2: Terraforming means changing the ecosystem of that planet to what

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Speaker 2: it probably was in the past, or close to what

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Speaker 2: we've got here. This could take centuries. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We don't know how to do it. We do know

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Speaker 2: once Mars is the only candidate forward and to get

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Speaker 2: there within thirty days. We'll bring that down behalf that

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Speaker 1: Unreal, unreal. So how far that's one hundred years at least, though,

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, in nineteen twenty, when those shutters went

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Speaker 2: know what, forty years or so, we'd be on the moon.

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Speaker 2: People in those years said it would never happen in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good evening, all right, Yeah, look great, great topic.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think they've got a land first, don't they.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, there's as far as the comment about multiple

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Speaker 1: But hang on, they've flying across the universe and what

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Speaker 4: Well, if you want to dive into footage of things,

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Speaker 2: So why has this been going on for so long?

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Speaker 2: Now we've had some movies, we had closes, encount all sorts,

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Speaker 1: So what are those triangles though? You reckon? That's common.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big black triangles there that move across the sky

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Speaker 2: of reports of those. Now. We make different makes and

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm not laughing. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I am because I do know that there's something being reported.

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Speaker 2: They're being reported by people from all walks of life,

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Speaker 2: being reported for a long time, and they're not paid

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Speaker 2: this is this is the conundrum I've got. If the

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Speaker 1: Why not, Darryl can I just sounds when when you

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Speaker 4: Well, the ones at Edinburgh was just too quick. They

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Speaker 4: But I was able to film, have you. I'd be

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Speaker 4: getting It'd be lovely we could. The guy's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: We don't need to use Petro anymore. We've got the

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Speaker 1: Playing you Darryl Dave, like I mean, have you looked

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Speaker 2: No. I avoid anything like this now. There's too much

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Speaker 2: There's so much now it's Smiths information. It sounds good.

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Speaker 2: CGI's out there. You don't know what to trust anymore.

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Speaker 2: I just gave the reports, and you know it's still

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Speaker 2: And we've got this disclosure. Now they're saying this is

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Speaker 2: I've got to be I've got to be correct when

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Speaker 2: decembered on November twenty two. Is a video. It's a

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Not all of these people in high government positions in America.

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Speaker 2: And Ross Coulter from australia's involved. It's not spoke to

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Speaker 2: him before he even got this All Star and he

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Speaker 2: asked my advice, But who we should go to? What

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Speaker 2: we've got all of these depositions? Why why does it

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Speaker 1: What was my absolutely? Max? No, No, it's good Max

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Speaker 3: Hi boys, I've just watched a movie called The Age

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Speaker 2: Oh here we go, Dave, Dave, you're disillusional, disillusion believing

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Speaker 1: Age of Disclosure.

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Speaker 2: You go to a movie. Where's where was the evidence?

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Speaker 2: Did you have? Any has produced? Just watched? Just watch

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Speaker 1: I think you've watched a few of those, haven't you

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, ye, it's easy to be taken in by

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Speaker 2: If you haven't you haven't been involved with it. I've

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Speaker 2: over over a period of thirty forty years now, I've

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Speaker 2: They're claiming they've got it white open.

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Speaker 1: That's right, exactly right. Okay, let's talk about something a

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Speaker 1: little bit more tangible, and that is a freckle on

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Speaker 2: Something standard. Look, yeah, it's not it's not a big

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Speaker 2: it the freckle. It's a really interesting little it's not

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Speaker 2: So the moon surface is still changing. And this new

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Speaker 2: you know, but unexpected. There we've come across this new crater.

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Speaker 2: It's called Freckle.

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Speaker 1: There we go looking at a photo of it now amazing. Dave,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time, as always a fascinating and

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