WEBVTT - Round 16 and Origin II Takeaways

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<v Speaker 1>Coops State of Origin heading for a decider, which is

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<v Speaker 1>always a huge game.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you you played numerous deciders couple? Yeah, it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming New South Wales. Yeah it is. It's the it's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously the pinnacle and the biggest games of the year,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's this sort of strange thing before kickoff you're

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<v Speaker 3>supremely confident, but then fear and terror kicks in because

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<v Speaker 3>it is the biggest game of the year and can

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<v Speaker 3>you do it? It's the one game that you'd love

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<v Speaker 3>to be a part of. But then the other part

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<v Speaker 3>of it is you just don't want to be the

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<v Speaker 3>one that stuffs it up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Coops, and that is that is such a natural emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the primary emotion going into big games. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>nervousness and total fear that you're going to be the bloke.

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<v Speaker 3>And home ground advantage plays a part. Now it's not everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just remember a couple of origin deciders a

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<v Speaker 3>sun call and it became a factor early on if

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<v Speaker 3>you started well. So for New South Wales need to

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<v Speaker 3>start well and that crowd will bring them home.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on on game two we'll have our saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>The big talk is DC going in the game and

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was going to be work or not. Given

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<v Speaker 1>the side he picked, it was always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in hindsight. Clearly did going to congratulate Billy for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Munster elevating Munster captain was a master stroke and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>simplify their attack.

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<v Speaker 3>Best players, what do you think? Do you think Monster

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<v Speaker 3>was the best player on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Monster was the best player short half head

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<v Speaker 1>over Kirk Capewell, and I thought Payne Hasse and were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty special.

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<v Speaker 3>I had Ruben Connor as my own man for Queensland.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought his performance was outstanding, just defensively. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>seen too many New South Wales players be put on

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<v Speaker 3>their backside through the work of Monster. Outstanding. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Tyler deserves a big rugby. He did everything he could

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<v Speaker 3>for New South Wales. But in terms of Monster in

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<v Speaker 3>the elevation the No DC, there was two parts to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Queensland's halves were and spined to be fair,

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<v Speaker 3>were way more direct. Yes, they were arrows straight in

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<v Speaker 3>the way they attacked it. And Munster's sort of influence

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<v Speaker 3>on the team wasn't you know. It's the way that

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<v Speaker 3>he communicated. It was more that he just knew the

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<v Speaker 3>responsibility he had and he delivered with that. Like go

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<v Speaker 3>back and watch when he walked out in the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness. He is a character. Everyone loves him,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was not going to let down his state

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<v Speaker 3>the way that he was dialed in and that simple

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<v Speaker 3>promotion to captain is that sole reason that he was

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<v Speaker 3>going to lead from the front.

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<v Speaker 1>Coop, I've never seen him so stonefaced and made one

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<v Speaker 1>point he sort of like almost shook with excitement, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been adrenaline and evidence of that Coop

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<v Speaker 1>was his first kick, like when he was adrenalized and

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<v Speaker 1>he was excited about the contest seven tackle set which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Went down and scored from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just as you know, Coop, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult thing going in a really big game when

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing in the harves and you've got to see

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<v Speaker 1>the side around the park and you got to make

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<v Speaker 1>smart decisions, you got to play with some new when

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<v Speaker 1>there's adrenaline pumping through you.

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<v Speaker 3>I know caramansa well and played a lot of forty

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<v Speaker 3>with him. I've never seen him like that. Before we

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<v Speaker 3>go and watching it, I just thought, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the biggest moment his career up to that point.

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<v Speaker 3>You could tell how dialed in he was. He was

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<v Speaker 3>not going to take a backwards step and he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to lead from the front. And there was a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of moments from him, like running the football, a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of early kicks that really got the job done. So

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<v Speaker 3>I just I really marveled at.

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<v Speaker 2>What he did throughout Origin history just thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Think like Queensland, some of their greatest players have been

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<v Speaker 1>quite unheralded, if you know what I mean, that have

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<v Speaker 1>not been.

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<v Speaker 2>So much surprise selections.

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<v Speaker 1>But you look out on paper and you go, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Gary Larson, if I made sense back there,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Billy Moore, what Billy you provided that emotion?

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<v Speaker 1>Dane Gaguy should go down as one of Queensland's great

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<v Speaker 1>Origin players.

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<v Speaker 2>Given the fact too. Wally Lewis medals from the wing.

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk Cable's another one, and I sat on the show

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<v Speaker 1>last night, the old saying take an old dog for

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<v Speaker 1>the hard road.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was a good performance. I think there

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<v Speaker 3>was a couple of moments in that game. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of talk around the penalties, but I think the

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<v Speaker 3>execution of New South Wales, particularly early in the game

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<v Speaker 3>helped Queensland. Yeah, there was adalso penalties or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 3>Leui kicked the ball out in the full, Nathan clearly

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<v Speaker 3>had an attacking set through the ball behind paying Hess

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<v Speaker 3>there was an error. So there was a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>things that actually helped Queensland out a lot. And then

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<v Speaker 3>on the flip side in that second half, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>the New South Wales attack was very threatening to Queensland.

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<v Speaker 3>As a Queensland supporter, I thought they were going to score.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought New South Wales were coming moving left with

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<v Speaker 3>the trail, moving right with Stephen Kricht. They just looked

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<v Speaker 3>like in that second half they were going to crack.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the one thing that helped Queensland was

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<v Speaker 3>I thought Harry Grant was horrific early on. Months's running

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<v Speaker 3>game was direct, did and round the ball, ponger supported

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<v Speaker 3>through the middle. So in game three, trying to predict

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<v Speaker 3>what happens the edge attack of New South Wales looks good.

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<v Speaker 3>The running game of Queensland. Spine is a truth.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned before and we talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I spoke before about Gaguy Boon one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great origin players.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what point with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Three tries again ran for over two hundred meters every

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<v Speaker 1>time he plays here, over two hundred meters. He always impacts.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at some of the best origin wingers ever. You

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<v Speaker 1>know Willie Kahn, Michael Hancock, Darius Boy, Chicka Fergus and

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<v Speaker 1>Wendell Sailor Eric Gross like Kiri, you know where does

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<v Speaker 1>I mean is to number one?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think, well, current players are still doing what

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing. It's hard to put them collivate above anyone else, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But I will tell you this. We have through the

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<v Speaker 3>history of our game and currently some super athletic wingers

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<v Speaker 3>they elevate themselves with a corner posts and put the

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<v Speaker 3>ball down. But I don't think there's a body shape

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<v Speaker 3>with Brian to Or that's delivered the way that he's delivered. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't elevate himself out around the corner posts. He

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<v Speaker 3>would just ram his body into you in the corner

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<v Speaker 3>of the field and say tackle me if you can.

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<v Speaker 3>And he normally gets there and he is like, go

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<v Speaker 3>watch what he did the early parts. He's smart. To

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<v Speaker 3>He realized that the defense of Queensland. We're probably going

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<v Speaker 3>to try and lift him up and take him back.

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<v Speaker 3>He was running head first and towards the ground, just

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<v Speaker 3>doing the right thing for the team to get that

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<v Speaker 3>quick play of the ball and set someone else on.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a great player. Diets to disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty Did you think New South Wales is going to score?

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<v Speaker 1>No, he didn't know, And I can use my sons

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<v Speaker 1>as evans. We didn't deserve to win and so often

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<v Speaker 1>coops the gods of rugby league, that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bottom line is we just didn't deserve to

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<v Speaker 1>win game.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a little bit of the footy IQ of what

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<v Speaker 3>makes Karen Monster smart. Go back and look in that

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<v Speaker 3>second half, clear who's running that play. He was passing

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<v Speaker 3>our back to Leui or Edwards. Months would fly up

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<v Speaker 3>out of the line and try and shut that down

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<v Speaker 3>because he knew he was under threat. This time with

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<v Speaker 3>a game of the line, he realized that paint hass

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<v Speaker 3>was an opportunity to catch the football on the first layer.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly plays to him. Instead of Months have flying out

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<v Speaker 3>the line, he sat there and hit the ball over

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<v Speaker 3>the top and dislodged it. So game awareness and the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest moment for months to stood up on Monster.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting when that ability to run the football or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being couraged to run the football at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>like for months, to have the have the and this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to sound odd, but have the discipline to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to play simple. And I'd love to know a

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<v Speaker 1>stat with Munster how many tries are scored off his

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<v Speaker 1>play the ball or how many tries are scored off

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<v Speaker 1>he's offload. I know the Cape will try. I think

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<v Speaker 1>come from a monster ran the ball, engage to three.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys offloaded out the back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just because when he runs with football he just

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<v Speaker 1>attracts so many defenders.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifteen runs of the footing most of any Queensland player

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<v Speaker 3>and we highlight that. But I thought he kicked the

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<v Speaker 3>ball early and just really set the time for Queensland

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<v Speaker 3>the way that they had to do things. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was a good performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Kicking early that. Yeah, you blokes in the last fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Years, it's an origin player that's been your staple when

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<v Speaker 1>the game's in the balance or no one can quite

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<v Speaker 1>you know, take superiority. So often see you blokes just

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<v Speaker 1>pop out, you know with yourself and the camera.

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<v Speaker 2>On the left foot foot kick J two. It was monster.

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<v Speaker 1>The other night it was eight six. You blokes, but

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<v Speaker 1>a lot both sides coming up with a lot of errors.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone's trying to find rhythm. You blokes, go kick early,

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<v Speaker 1>big kick, Chase put pressure on New South Wales and

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure loves to Zach Lomax given the arrow of

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<v Speaker 1>the elbow and it goes up to toss it fourteen six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know it's only an eight point split, but

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<v Speaker 1>in those conditions in Origin, that just squw It puts

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>I always thought to explain the Origin play. If you

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<v Speaker 3>were to defending your goal line for two, three, four

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<v Speaker 3>sets in a row and you stop the opposition from scoring.

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<v Speaker 3>I always thought kicking, if you get good momentum and

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<v Speaker 3>tackle three or four, that next set is almost like

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<v Speaker 3>a sign of the opposition you tried your best, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're coming again, and it's almost they have to get

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<v Speaker 3>the carry out of their own end. Isolate the fullback,

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<v Speaker 3>ragged all the fullback and you actually start changing momentum.

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<v Speaker 3>So Cameron used to do it all the time because

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<v Speaker 3>at dummy half you're the first touch, everyone's on side.

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<v Speaker 3>It was easier to do it from that position, because

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<v Speaker 3>if you went to the half, it's a pass. The

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<v Speaker 3>fullback reads it sometimes. But that's why it's an origin play,

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<v Speaker 3>because you're actually forcing the opposition to do things I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you like certain terminology sometimes and when you southway,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a bit of an ascendency.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going at you.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys use the term absorb pressure, not so much

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<v Speaker 1>repel it, but absorb the pressure then CounterPunch your here

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So if the team's got attacking possession on the goal

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<v Speaker 3>line and you can absorb that pressure one, two, three sets,

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<v Speaker 3>you watch the halves start going to option three, four

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<v Speaker 3>and five. When you got them going to their third

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<v Speaker 3>or fourth option, you know that you've got them rattled

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. So they might have started off with

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<v Speaker 3>a sequence of players, but then this long pass or

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<v Speaker 3>an early kick comes into play. You've got them rattled

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<v Speaker 3>because your first two options aren't working. When you sense

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<v Speaker 3>that it's time to change momentum and kick early.

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<v Speaker 2>We've spoken monster before.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when we talk greater storage and players and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, removing let's remove state bias here, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he is he's got to be in the discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>You're Monster in your top ten Origin players of all time?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely I do. Yep, Well, yeah, you have coops.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look at his record, right, just have Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Monster's record from his debut where he got a man

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<v Speaker 1>at the match.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been very few Origin.

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<v Speaker 1>Games where he hasn't stood up and he has been

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<v Speaker 1>the guy oftentimes in Queensland state of origin sites that

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been like as strong as I mean that that

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<v Speaker 1>team that the won so many series in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>like Munster came in on the back of that era, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but then when he come into prominence as a senior player,

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<v Speaker 1>those sides weren't as strong. But you know twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID years, you know that what he did in

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<v Speaker 1>that series. Every single time Corneysland needs something or needs someone,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the time it's Monster.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the most influential Queensland player today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't have him in my top ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Let's make some enemies, let's go, right, it gives

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<v Speaker 1>your top ten in no particular.

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<v Speaker 3>I just sort of went, you know, who were the

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<v Speaker 3>best players that I think for New South Wales and Queensland.

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<v Speaker 3>For New South Wales I've just got Fitler, Badera's Daily

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<v Speaker 3>and John's. Okay, thanks, So those for me, these four

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<v Speaker 3>for me are the ones that have Captain lad influenced outcomes.

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<v Speaker 3>The are the ones I think about. But I will

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<v Speaker 3>say in terms of Queensland, I've got by society, I've

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<v Speaker 3>just got more Queenland players that have influenced so Lewis

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<v Speaker 3>Alpha mal like. I think from those days they were

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<v Speaker 3>the most influential and then from the time that I play.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you can separate lockey Smith versus English.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't leave out any of those.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it is, it's really hard when you sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and go with I'll give you some of the ones

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<v Speaker 1>I've left. I've left g I out, Yeah, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't put him in. I've left Brett Kenny out. I've

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<v Speaker 1>left Darren Lockyer out, June Miles, Glenn Lass.

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<v Speaker 3>You've left Lockeye out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so some he make.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've left out Laza and I've left I left

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<v Speaker 1>out Steve Mordon.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're looking go you know I Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Morton, but I'll talk about him in the second we're

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<v Speaker 1>discuss But I've gone Wally given Andrew John's, Cameron Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Slater, Jonathan Thurston, all those sides in your order,

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<v Speaker 1>No lord, but I mean this is the thing to

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<v Speaker 1>leave our guys like Lockie and June, Miles, Brett Canning

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<v Speaker 1>and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because that era, that one, that that side that.

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<v Speaker 1>Came through and just completely dominated our origin where arguably

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest Origin run of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so where have I gone?

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone to Thurston, So Wally, Joey, Cameron, Billy Thurston,

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie Day, Brady Clyde, Malmaninger, Alan Langer, Cameron Munster.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hard to argue with any of those, like Clyde

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<v Speaker 3>for me being a young Queensland like, he was such

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<v Speaker 3>a good player, like so good he revolutionized the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way he changed, He changed the game.

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<v Speaker 1>How third he's played because thirteen's coop used to be

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<v Speaker 1>clever short side players like Ray Price, incredibly tough.

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<v Speaker 2>But underrated as playmaker. You know, guys like.

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<v Speaker 1>But what they used to call it the thirteen in

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<v Speaker 1>the English game was the loose forward.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like a second five eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>Clyde, come along mate, you knock the ball down the field,

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<v Speaker 1>He get back and take play too.

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<v Speaker 3>Going through the list, and so it is not the

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<v Speaker 3>best player, but I so wanted to put Arthur beats

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<v Speaker 3>it in there just because of without Arthur like origin

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<v Speaker 3>isn't not what it is. What he did in that

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty game and what he's done for queens over passed.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's almost the pioneer for Queensland. If I was

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<v Speaker 3>to say who the pioneer for New South Wales is

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<v Speaker 3>or was, who's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's tempted. You look at guys like you Tomy

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<v Speaker 2>donic As in the early years.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one who taught, who was a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of teaching New South Wales to win and what it

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<v Speaker 1>took to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Mortimer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the captain in eighty five and and the

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<v Speaker 1>players just said he was outstanding. Terry Fernley was the coach,

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<v Speaker 1>but on minus N Terry Fernley gave a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the power to Turvy and Turvy just he rallied the

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<v Speaker 1>troops and he got it done.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was probably arguably.

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<v Speaker 1>Of any New South Wales the best as far as

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<v Speaker 1>the series concerned. The best captain is knocking a series

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<v Speaker 1>because he just turned it around so much for us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we were just under the pump every single

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to sit us New South Walshman those early

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<v Speaker 1>years and just you know, you bloke's just given it

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<v Speaker 1>to us and to us to an extent, Coop, the

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<v Speaker 1>old thing where they say New South Wales doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>orangin back then, we didn't, you know, the first ever

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<v Speaker 1>origin game.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard this one the other day was when, of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course, Coop, you know the history where if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>Coeensland and you come down and play for Sydney club.

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<v Speaker 1>I was explaining this to someone the other day and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of going the essence of white to coins Land

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<v Speaker 1>hate New South Wales more than the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe that's not true, but and I explained

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<v Speaker 1>it was that the really big Richard said Sydney clubs

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<v Speaker 1>would sign the best Queensland players and as a result

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<v Speaker 1>they had to play for New South Wales. And when

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<v Speaker 1>that first game was announced for Queensland in all those

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland players to return to Queensland and have those great

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<v Speaker 1>players like Arthur return, they reckon it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>the excitement amongst the things and like the Queensland side

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<v Speaker 1>they said before the game and the build up were

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<v Speaker 1>just right on the bit New South Wales night for

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<v Speaker 1>the game.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a beer. They were drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until they turned up to play that game

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<v Speaker 1>at land Park they reckoned. They walked in and Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>said to the term in the dressing room, hellmatee the ambushes,

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<v Speaker 1>they said when they walked into land Park they were

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<v Speaker 1>just getting abused and screamed up.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, mate, this is this is totally well.

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<v Speaker 3>That inspired a generation of Queensland. Is what Arthur did

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<v Speaker 3>that side because you know Kevy tells in st about

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<v Speaker 3>how him and his brothers fought cut through the fence

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to be there. So multiply that by multiple Queensland people.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a is a part of the history of

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<v Speaker 3>why Queensland have a feeling and love and connection. When

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to Origentie.

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<v Speaker 2>Brod a Coop's club Land, what are you a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of trained sporting? What are you go for me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've given this guy a huge wrap over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of the air as a cartier. The Knights versus Dolphins,

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<v Speaker 3>it was twenty or with about fifteen minutes to go

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<v Speaker 3>and neither side got a field goal in Yes, the

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<v Speaker 3>Knights won it. They got lucky. In my opinion, but

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<v Speaker 3>this is a cartel with eight and a half minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 3>He is in perfect position in a tight contest, but

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<v Speaker 3>decides to run the football. They try and go for

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<v Speaker 3>the try, bounces back in here and they turn over possession.

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<v Speaker 3>He should have taken a shot. Then there's no doubt

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<v Speaker 3>he's development. He should have taken it. A couple of

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<v Speaker 3>minutes later, six minutes ago, it's a bit further out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's on the left hand side, the right side for

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<v Speaker 3>the right foot. It swings to the other side and

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<v Speaker 3>kicks a ball. There's an opportunity to win the game

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<v Speaker 3>for the Dolphins. Then the Newcastle Knights they get down

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<v Speaker 3>to the other end and there's about a minute to

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<v Speaker 3>go that Jones scores to try to win it. But

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<v Speaker 3>look here, Koger tackled Klein on the left hand side,

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<v Speaker 3>Crosslin comes from other side. Didn't even think about the

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<v Speaker 3>field goal. That's about a minute to go on the clock.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think there's a couple of things that both

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<v Speaker 3>these teams really need to look at and understand that

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<v Speaker 3>when you get inside ten in a close game and

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<v Speaker 3>you can go for the tribe, but you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>set up and have a crack. Particularly inside five minutes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's your first thought.

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<v Speaker 1>At what point, Coop, when you played, was the time

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<v Speaker 1>to go for it? Because let's imagine it's twenty all

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<v Speaker 1>and it's eleven minutes to go. Is that the do

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<v Speaker 1>you get for the field goal? Then what is the point?

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<v Speaker 3>Ten minutes was always my mark, But around that ten

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<v Speaker 3>minute mark, being a right footer, I always shifted the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>tried to shift it to the left hand side, so

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<v Speaker 3>if I had the chance, I could just set back

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<v Speaker 3>one in and take the shot, whereas if you go

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<v Speaker 3>to the right it's a more difficult approach. But then

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<v Speaker 3>inside five minutes less is more one to one to

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<v Speaker 3>kick the ball. And the other thing too, is the

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<v Speaker 3>time that you want to kick in is get your

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<v Speaker 3>best play the ball with the fastest speed to take

0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.600
<v Speaker 3>that run. It was Billy at the Storm, was Boy

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<v Speaker 3>Corner at the Roosters, So you need to put some

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<v Speaker 3>thought into it. But the simple fact is not one

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<v Speaker 3>person in that field thought about it and didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the shot completely like a composure, What do you

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<v Speaker 2>got for me?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, mine is around great try scorers, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about three guys here. Alice Johnson of course

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.320
<v Speaker 1>is on the cusp of breaking Kenny Irvines try scoring records.

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<v Speaker 1>You need seven more. This will be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest storylines going into the back end of the year

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<v Speaker 1>as we head in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I thought myself, do you think he gets there? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he gets it. Cody, Yeah, Cody's back. Cody

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 1>is vital to that. Apparently he's back this week.

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<v Speaker 3>If he does get it, the game needs to make

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 3>it a big milestone. I don't know if you open

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<v Speaker 3>up the stadium or whatever you do, but it needs

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:21.640
<v Speaker 3>to be a memorable moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be massive.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be great to see, you know, as far as

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.359
<v Speaker 1>security consider, they might like you see the af L

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:34.679
<v Speaker 1>when Plaguerker did it and Buddy Franklin, they just flood.

0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:36.640
<v Speaker 2>It'd be great to see something.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he breaks out record, he's going to join

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.680
<v Speaker 1>a really exclusive club people like Ken Irvine.

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.439
<v Speaker 2>But I want to talk about the two greatest tri

0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:45.360
<v Speaker 2>scorers of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil called Brian Bevan and the other fellow, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure very few people have heard about unless you're

0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.920
<v Speaker 1>a some Helen supporter Phela called Tom van Vollenhoven. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about this firstly Brian Bevan. Now you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're talking about the record here Kenny Irvins called

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and twelve tries in two hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six games.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex Cahner twelve tries yep, two thirty six games.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I want to talk about Brian Bevan for said coops,

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<v Speaker 1>because he played.

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<v Speaker 2>He started.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in Sydney and he played with your

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<v Speaker 1>old side, the Roosters. Played eight games for the Roosters

0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Brian Bevan and never scored a try.

0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.479
<v Speaker 2>From there, he joined he joined the military, joined the navy.

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<v Speaker 1>And before he left to join the Navy, he said

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<v Speaker 1>to the secretary of the of the Roosters. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about jumping off the boat and trying my

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<v Speaker 1>luck in the English game. And he said, well that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds pretty good. Let me write your letter of recommendation.

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<v Speaker 2>So wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent his time in the navy, got off and

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>he went to Leeds and he said letter of recommendation

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<v Speaker 1>on it was Brian Bevan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to have a trial. They looked at him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now got to understand about Brian Bevan.

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<v Speaker 1>When Brian Bevan was twenty, he looked fifty he is

0:21:55.040 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the most unlikely looking superstar sports that you'll ever see.

0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So LEDs looked at him, said not interested. When I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the hunt to hundred one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Hawks, they said, well if luds they went not interested leads,

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 1>not just we're not interested. Last trial that ice he

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 1>went to the Warrington to Warrington. They weren't called the

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Warrington Wolves. In Warrington, see can I get a trial?

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>And they said, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Give him a guar.

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<v Speaker 1>He played six hundred and twenty games for Warrington and

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<v Speaker 1>he scored seven hundred and forty tries. Now if you

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<v Speaker 1>go to Warrington, what seven hundred and forty tries in

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and twenty games? When you when you go

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<v Speaker 1>to Warrington, you know, if you go there at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year with the ashes design and you

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<v Speaker 1>call through, you've got to go through Warrington if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a regular person. And they got the statue of Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Bevan there, so from a bloke who you know, no

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<v Speaker 1>tries in eight games, ends up going to England and

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<v Speaker 1>so good seven hundred and forty tries and they built

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<v Speaker 1>a statue for him.

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<v Speaker 3>And what era was Brian Bevan.

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<v Speaker 1>In Bevan I think it was yeah, forties into the

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<v Speaker 1>fifties and the sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the fifties. So when you went and watched Brian

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<v Speaker 3>Bevan live ground.

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<v Speaker 1>He could play. Yeah, maybe he could play. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>young fellow, you've got a future now signed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the second one right, And I hope we're I'm

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<v Speaker 1>boring people this, but regul league history is important. Tom

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<v Speaker 1>van Vollenhoven, Now this guy was the South African rugby

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<v Speaker 1>union star and I want to get into the politics

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode of White A lot of South African

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<v Speaker 1>players went and played English rugby league, but he signed.

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<v Speaker 1>He swapped to rugby league and he signed with St.

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<v Speaker 1>Helen's in nine fifty seven. He debuted against Leeds and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently Hon debut bombed numerous tries and they're like, what

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<v Speaker 1>have we signed here? But we go on to play

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and nine games, three hundred and ninety two tries.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible if you go back in rugby league history during

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<v Speaker 1>that era. He had guys even before that called Harry

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<v Speaker 1>Bath who was legend at Saint George. I do I

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<v Speaker 1>think Harry Barth played about five hundred played out here,

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<v Speaker 1>then went to England played about five hundred and something games.

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<v Speaker 3>Even Johnston's record like was phenomenal. It is what he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing at the moment, and for him to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to get those tries be the number one on the list,

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<v Speaker 3>like every record is there to be broken, but jeez,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be hard to see that be broken

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<v Speaker 3>again because he potentially has another couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, keep me and things that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really difficult leerate to play in because

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<v Speaker 1>of number one, really organized defense, the tape videotape analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>you know sitting there. I mean when these guys played

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times, their opponents the first time they

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<v Speaker 1>would have ever seen anything of them was in their

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<v Speaker 1>standing opposite them, where these days in rugby league there

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<v Speaker 1>are very few secrets and be able to score the

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<v Speaker 1>tries like aj has has been truly phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give you some homework for a next show,

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<v Speaker 3>Alex Johnson, John six tries work out how many Codie

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<v Speaker 3>Walker has been involved in.

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<v Speaker 2>She's going to go through some tape.

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<v Speaker 3>There, just I want you to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>A romantic week Coops. Listen, we're going to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About the Panthers and the Broncos potentially going on a run.

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<v Speaker 2>We've run out of Triumph, talking about that next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmmmmmm