WEBVTT - Credlin | 11 August 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:06.000 Peto Quedlin Live from year twenty four. 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:10.400 Good evening, Welcome to the program. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.560 Here's what's coming up tonight on Predline, Question Time back Today, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.280 Labour's migration reset in the housing crisis, topping the agenda, 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.640 all the analysis with Tuesday Night regular our political editor 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.400 Andrew Clennell coming up their legal migrant crisis. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:26.960 In Britain deepens. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.840 Mega Dinghy's now been used to facilitate hundreds of people 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.080 at once to cross the English Channel. Sophie Ellsworth will 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.400 join me plus befoll that continues over Anthony Albanesi's smutty 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.480 comments about the Japanese Prime Minister, the ambassador doubling down 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.440 a bit, calls for a personal apology. Our Prime minister 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.960 still refusing and rates on hold today, but no end 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.400 to the uncertainty for Australians who just want a break 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.320 from cost of living pressures. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:02.200 We've already raised three times and we will go again 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:02.880 if we need to. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.680 The first Census Night is tonight and everyone's been encouraged 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.399 by the government to fillate your form so that the 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:14.880 data you provide can. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.400 Be used to deliver the services that you want. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.160 Now and into the future. In the right locations around 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.600 our country. At least that's the official line. But if 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.720 you don't think the activists use the census as a weapon, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.200 then you are kidding yourself. And if you think that 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.400 the independence of this tray and Bureau of Statistics means 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.759 that the government has no hand in how tonight's census 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:44.839 document is shaped, and think again there too. The Albanezy 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.640 government has its fingerprints all over this census. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:50.440 While the ABS. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.680 Will tell you that they draft the questions and they do, 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:59.160 the government is absolutely involved in the topics this year. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.960 As an example, that was the Albanezer government that asked 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:08.120 for a question to be included about gender and sexual orientation. Yes, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.760 Labor put that in. Here is Jenny Telfer, the ABS 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:17.200 General Manager in charge of the census, could bumi exactly 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.600 this today in an interview with my colleague Kieren Gilbert. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:26.480 Politicians shape this? Have there been any has there been 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.040 any political input to some of these questions, like around 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.079 sexuality and so on. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.800 So the way the content and the questions work in 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.440 the Australian Census, it is the Australian government who decided. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:38.840 The topics that we include in. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.840 The census, so they make that decision, and then they 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.040 request the ABS to design a set of questions, a 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.080 set of response options that statistically will give us the 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:49.040 best data. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:53.800 So, while I tried hard, Jenny telferd there refused to 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:59.799 disclose which minister or ministers perhaps prime ministers told them 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.560 to include those questions on gender. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.880 When you say the government suggested this change or this 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.200 addition on sexuality, which minister does that Who in the 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:15.040 government makes that recommendation or that direction to the ABS? 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.800 Well, the ABS actually makes a recommendation based on everything 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.240 we hear through that consultation process. We make a recommendation 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.880 to government on the topics we think are important to 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.800 include in the census, and then the government ultimately makes 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:28.919 that decisions. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.640 But the direction itself that just comes from government, not 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.200 from is it the minister's office. I'm just trying to 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:35.680 work out where it is. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.560 Australian government decision to include particular topics and to retain 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.440 particular topics on the census for. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:44.400 They're try didn't it. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.000 Let's look again at the very issue of religion. Now, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.720 as I've shown you over recent weeks, this is an 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.000 important topic and one where the activists have really been 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.920 busy in recent years to this point, here's the former 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.320 founder of the Sex Party if campaigning hard for the 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.160 no religion vote tonight. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.119 You know, when I was younger, I went to Sunday School, 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:14.920 I was christened, I was confirmed. I even growing up 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.400 dreamt I was going to become a nun. But I'm 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.680 not religious now. And so when you're asked on the 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:27.839 census this week, what is your religion If you're not religious, now, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.400 mark no religion. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:31.760 Now. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.919 As I said before, the order of the questions on 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.880 the paper tonight matter as well. And the fact that 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.039 the no religion box is the first box you can 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.640 select when you get to the question, well that advantages 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.320 those running that argument. You saw it there from Fiona 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:52.039 Pattern that increasingly Australia is a secular nation because the 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.960 first spot on any ballot benefits the donkey vote. That's 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.680 why in an election campaign, when names are drawn out 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.160 of the ha for a spot on the ballot paper, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.440 every candidate wants to be the first name at the top. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.240 And so when you have a question about religion and 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.800 that top spot goes to the no religion camp or 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:19.120 they benefit absolutely. As I discussed last night with polling 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.440 expert doctor Dorian von Freehold. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.839 The current census framing is somewhat peculiar in that it's 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:34.159 a checkbox question where the first option is no religion. Now, 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.120 being a guy with a PhD in consumer psychology having 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.440 lectured many a course on research methodologies, that's a rookie era. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.280 You fall straight into what's called the primacy effect, which 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.800 means that the first option visible to respondence gets a 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.400 disproportionate amount of eyeballs and is more likely to be selected. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.400 Now, when pushed, the ABS say that no religion up 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.000 the top because it was the box that achieved the 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:09.000 greatest vote at the last census. But how disingenuous is 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.400 that at the last census in twenty twenty one, if 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:17.040 you want to measure just one religion against no religion, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.200 in fact, it was Christianity that received the greatest vote. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.920 Christianity reported the ABS was the most common religion in 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.040 Australia with forty three point nine percent of people identifying 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:35.880 as Christian Now contrasts that with no religion that recorded thirty. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.120 Eight point nine percent. 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.839 So if the order is determined by the largest number 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:46.039 of responses, so why isn't Christianity at the top of 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:50.800 tonight's census form well because of the way the question 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:52.039 is framed. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:53.119 That's why. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.279 Because rather than give Australians a Christian box to tick, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.279 the ABS breaks down the Christian faith church by church, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.239 and so that means the Christian vote on the form 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:11.760 tonight gets split. And because it is split rather than 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.680 contained in a single box, the no religious crowd or 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:16.960 they stay at the top. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.840 See why the frame of a question matters as much 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.080 as it does. It's just like political polling. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.120 The question you ask can be as important as the 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:32.320 answer you get. Now also understand this too. Of all 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.960 the religions listed on the sensus form, it is only 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.080 only the Christian faith that is broken down by denomination, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.760 so broken down church by church. No other religion gets 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.960 this treatment. The ABS, as an example, does not split 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:53.400 Islam into its distinct branches of Sunni Islam or Shia Islam. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:59.000 Nor does the census split Hindu into its various denominations. Heck, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.640 for that matter, the ABS doesn't even split out the 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.440 no religion box either. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:03.560 Does it. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.920 If it was consistent, the AVS would have a box 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.239 for the atheists, perhaps one for the agnostics as well. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.200 See what I mean? What also concerns me with this 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.920 question on religion. Is the message we send as a 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.880 country by leaving Judaism off the list of specified religions 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:29.520 and requiring Jewish Australians to record themselves under other at 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.960 a time in our nation's history where anti Semitism's never 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.240 been worse, I would have thought that including Judaism on 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:41.760 the form would be a powerful message that Jews matter 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.400 and yes, you can give me all the reasons why 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:49.440 statistically other religions are prioritized in terms of population. But 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.160 given the ABS confirming today that the Albanezer government was 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.240 involved in the development of the census, then for the 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.880 government not to take this opportunity to send a signal 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:06.000 to Australian Jews is disappointing. Now, why this matters as 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.120 much as it does beyond the recording of faith or 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:14.040 otherwise of Australians, is that census data is used across government, local, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.800 state and federal and what you measure matters. This data 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:24.640 on religion will be used to plan for religious schools, hospices, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:30.120 perhaps hospitals of religious faith. It's used to accommodate ceremonies, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.679 cemeteries and other burial spaces. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.079 Trust me too. 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.160 It will be used by some to argue for the 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.600 removal of the morning prayer from our parliaments as it 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.720 has been in the past. Even things like laws in 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:48.880 relation to legalized prostitution and planning rules around brothels, all 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:54.040 things that have been liberalized in recent years use census 0:09:54.160 --> 0:10:00.280 information on religion and faith as part of the political debate. Now, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.560 I'm not passing judgment on any of these things. My 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.240 point is that when activist campaign for census language changes 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:13.080 and questions to be included or removed, they don't do 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.400 it out of the goodness of their statistical hearts, but 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.679 do it because they have an agenda to change our country, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.280 and a big part in changing our country is the 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:32.160 denial of our Judeo Christian foundations. There you go, be 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.120 careful what box you tick tonight. Let's get the headlines 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.240 out of canber now with our reporter Ribbon Spargo. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.800 Good evening. The opposition leader is facing a divided party 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:47.520 room over gambling reforms. Five opposition backbenches used a coalition 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.560 meeting today to push for tougher reforms. Four others warned 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:52.880 against going too far. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.480 I want to make sure that we get the balance right. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.480 We think that we're nearly there. The conversations will keep going. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.080 Angus Taylor is negotiating directly with the minister as the 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.880 coalition tries to settle on a position. A podcast in 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.439 which Anthony Albernzi spoke about receiving a gift of melons 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.160 from the Japanese Prime minister is dogging the government. A 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.959 note from the Japanese government to dressing the gaff was 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:16.360 leaked to The Australian. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.720 Will the Prime Minister apologize to the Prime Minister of 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.000 Japan for his disrespectful behavior. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.560 I have a very good relationship with the Prime Minister 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:27.320 of Japan. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.480 The Opposition leader also sought to pressure the Prime Minister 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:31.440 over housing. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.720 Will the Prime Minister finally admit Labour's broken promises on 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.880 capital gains tax and negative gearing have made millions of 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.120 Australian homeowners worse off. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.200 I want people to have the opportunity to be the 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.520 first in their family to own their own homes. That 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.520 is something which is part of the great Australian dream. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.600 Ministers are refusing to concede. The government's changes to negative 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.920 gearing and capital gains tax have led to the subsequent 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.040 fall in House prices. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.920 For as I said Parliament. Of course that returning today 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.040 first question time after a very long winter break and 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.640 who better than the next scares Andrew klanaul our political 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.160 letter to at News twenty four to pull it all 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:18.920 apart Andrew Opposition today they went the Prime Minister about 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.440 his comments on that podcast. Will get to those in 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.880 a moment. But the feach today from the Coalition in 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.000 question time really was housing. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.600 Labour's toxic taxes have tanked the housing market. Labour's broken 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.959 promises on capital gains tax and negative gearing have made 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.360 millions of Australian homeowners worse off. Can the Prime Minister 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.439 confirm the average new mortgage holder is paying twenty nine 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.120 thousand dollars a year more in interest alone. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.840 Rents have reportedly increased by ten percent since the budget 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.080 just three months ago. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.200 Well, the Democrat James Carvell famously said it's your me, 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.199 stupid and it was a lot of the economy today. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.560 What did you make of it, Andrew, Well. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.880 I think that's fertile ground here for your position, and 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.720 I think the government's under pressure and you can see 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.960 it in the way the ministers skate around the fact 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.400 House prices have dropped because partly because of their policies, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.360 they won't say that, and that's been pretty ridiculous in 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.160 interviews we've done the last couple of days. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.920 So yeah, it's biting out there. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.440 Whether or last, we'll see, but right now it's not 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.920 a great position for the government. They're being seen to 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:32.480 fumble a few things, that's for sure. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.800 Yeah, and also I guess politicians have got big super 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.360 accounts and perhaps wealth in other places and shares elsewhere. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.240 Ordinary Australians basically have everything they've got locked up in 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.280 their home. That's the biggest as it certainly is for me. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.640 I suspect it is for you too, So I think 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.960 out there in the suburbs, this stuff bites. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:59.120 All everyone says, you know, just a terrible time to sell. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.920 That's what you hear from people who various circumstances have 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:07.559 to sell. They're really stuck in a bad scenario by 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.680 these policies, that's the bottom line. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.199 So yeah, it doesn't. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.920 Affect enough people to swing meaningful votes unless it persists. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.079 But it is annoying people and they don't like to 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.240 see their paper wealth go down, and they wonder where, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.080 you know, where it all goes from here and they're 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.600 not convinced that the government's helping enough. And cost of living anyway, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.080 because inflation is still shooting up, so it's kind of 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.520 has a bit of midterm slump about it. Of course, 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.560 we know last term they had a midterm slump and 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:36.480 they came back in once. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:37.960 So if I was. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.840 Opponents of the prime minister, I wouldn't be getting too excited. Well, 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.520 particularly Liberal party down in eighteen percent with the Nats. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.160 But One Nation's probably the only people who should be 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.240 a bit excited, but they should temper that excitement at 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:49.640 the moment. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.400 I guess last time, though on the center right column, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:56.520 there was no one else but the coalition. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:57.760 Now there's obviously. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.880 Another aspirin and preferences make it difficult for a majority 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:02.920 government to be formed out of the center right. But 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.520 you can see that people are voting with their feet 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:07.840 are away from the government. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.840 That's the problem. I think savvy people inside labor get this. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.640 They're already putting One Nation into a lot of the 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.880 retrick in speeches and elsewhere, and certainly in a campaign sense. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:20.720 But I think a lot of them who think that 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.920 they are not at risk from One Nation they've got 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:23.920 their head in the sand. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.600 No, Peter. The feeling around here. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.320 I mean I saw a senior minister today and they're 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.560 asking me about what's going to happen with the Liberal leadership, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.080 and I said, you need to be worried about one 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.400 nation at the moment, and that person said, yes, we do. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.560 I think they're very really awake to it. They're awake 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:39.840 to it. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.440 I mean they hear it, and they're electorates, so they're 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.000 well aware of the threat. And you know, the British 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.000 load Parties turned it around by changing horse right with 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.520 someone from outside the parliament. And this is where I 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.160 go back to my Malanowskis theory. I mean, Albanezy will 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.000 go at a time of his choosing. I've no doubt 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.200 about that. But I just wonder if the Labor Parties 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.640 to succeed at the next election or not end up 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.880 in minority government, at least they need something like that, 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.600 a big change like that, as opposed to anyone they've 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.760 got on that front bench. And I'm sure that will 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.440 be throwing things at the TV and their officers listening 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.160 to me say that. But I just think we're in 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.160 an era of politics where requires that sort of thing, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.240 and so do your one nation and reform movements of 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.040 have created that situation and things are just moving incredibly 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.560 fast in terms of public sentiment. There's so many things 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.800 we can do with technology that people aren't you know, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.360 they're not happy with the old way of doing things. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.600 They're prepared to try new things, and that's how the 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.040 electorate's changed, I think. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.560 And look, I agree with you on Melanowskis. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.800 He's the best that Labour's got anywhere in the countries, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.080 but than anybody who's in the Parliament right now. I've 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.000 got something on him in relation to this arial Commission. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.920 I'll get to that a bit later on, but you know, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.120 I think the Libs would be concerned about him. He's 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.920 the old Labor right and this is why I think 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.840 Labor is crazy to persist with this constant experiment that 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.240 they're getting in Victoria and in Camera by letting the 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.479 left control of the agenda, because the Left is fighting 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.600 the Greens for space as opposed to coming in and 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.040 taking voters off the coalition and obviously increasingly one nation. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.159 Is this why we're getting. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.480 This movement into the immigration space and what's happening with 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.280 that because yes, Burk's from the right, but normally from 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:34.680 the right. I mean he's been signed up to de 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.080 elmen easy for some time. That speech was happening last week, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.879 then he got rolled and it got canceled. We've got 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.800 this legislation now from one nation on foreign fighters. I mean, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.720 the real rise for one nation and the real fall 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.439 for the government happened after Bondai. And yet labor is 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.960 still very scared to get into this turf. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.040 Oh, they'll get into it next week. They'll do this 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.640 announcement next week. Yeah, it's only going to be two 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:03.240 weeks later. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.400 Well, I mean, I'm hearing they're. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.639 Going to curb I guess some of this business with 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.159 family reunion off the back of visas. But they'll probably 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.440 cut the student visa intake, the skilled intake except for construction, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:24.439 health and defense jobs. That they're not cutting the number 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.639 of permanent which is one hundred and eighty five, or 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.439 net migration, which is two twenty from the budget. But 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.119 they're about three hundred net migrations. So Tony Burk's got 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:33.920 to outline a bunch of ways he's going to get 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:34.679 to two twenty. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:36.560 And this will be about. 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.679 Trying to instill some confidence in that, and of course 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.760 they say it's got nothing to do with one nation, 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.400 I mean pull the other one, you know. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.880 Yes, but they've they've never met a target that they 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.479 have set. They've had a forecast in every budget and 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.639 then nom has been well over the forecasts. So I 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.280 hear that they'll go and announce stuff that people want 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:56.680 to hear. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.040 But you know, Pinocchio, please, isn't that what they do 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:01.679 all the time? 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:03.680 Excuse me? 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.720 And look, both sides to be fair, the coalitions talk 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.280 tough as well. Hanson's number out there on migration is 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.480 one hundred and thirty thousand, that's her average. Well that's 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.359 where the Howard government was. That was where I think 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.120 Abbott was promising one hundred and sixty. It's crept up 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.000 after that, and it's gone on and on and on 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.480 to the point that that you know, Morrison Zerra butt 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.120 for COVID, take COVID out, Dutton zero as well. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.480 All of that was pretty shocking. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.919 So this has been a long time coming in the 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.800 Australian population and this idea that somehow, you know, that 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.000 they can bury their head in the sand. Both sides, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.439 both the Coalition and Labor here. I think there's a 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.480 reckoning on migration. I think it is one of the 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.720 biggest issues without a doubt this term and will be 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.000 at the ballot box. 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:53.760 Yeah. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:58.040 I mean we've got an aging population and there's there's 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.359 not many solutions in there in terms of like at 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.080 least Peter Costello could point to the baby bonus, right, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.919 but there's not many solutions on that front. To the government, 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:09.560 it's like they throw their hands up in the air 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.240 and say we have to have immigration not so easy 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.960 to sell, particularly when the housing doesn't move with it. 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:17.840 Yeah, well it's propped up. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.880 Scott Morrison's Budget's plenty of time, which I think is now. 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.159 I'm equally critical, mate, I'm equally critical, and I was 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.879 tough last night on my side for not putting a number. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.040 A lot of aspiration out there four or five months ago, 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.159 but no number yet. Let's go to these comments again. 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.600 The Prime Minister in trouble about the melon and the 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.280 Japanese Prime Minister have a listen. 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:43.160 Will the Prime Minister personally apologize to the Prime Minister of. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.920 Japan reject the assertion in the question disburb in Australia 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:49.160 and Japan have never. 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.520 Been closer or more strategically life. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.119 Will the Prime Minister apologize to the Prime Minister of 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.399 Japan for his disrespectful behavior. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.480 I have a very good relationship with the Prime Minister 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:04.640 of Japan. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.359 And then this response have a listen. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:15.159 Some media interpretations of that episode of that podcast have 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:16.200 been misinterpreted. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:21.280 There has been a sensationalized reporting of something that, as 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.200 the Prime Minister has been very clear about, has been mischaracterized. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.439 The comments and the remarks from the Prime Minister have 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.639 been misinterpreted. The Prime Minister is very clear that he 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:34.240 did not mean for those comments to be interpreted in 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.560 the way they have by some media outlets and by 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:37.840 our political opponents. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.440 Okay, Galligh is also the Minister for Women, not just 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.760 the Finance minister. And please Andrew, he insults us, I 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.480 mean melons that he does this one? 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:48.639 Come on right? 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.880 Why can't he just fess up when he MUCKs up, 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.240 when he stuffs up, when he falls off the stage, 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.040 when he lies. Why can't he ever admit when he's 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:57.520 got it wrong? 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.720 So I can't believe I have to say this on air. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.320 But his position is he didn't mean breasts right, that 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.960 he was just juggling actual fruit melons. What do you 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.400 make of that position, Peter. 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.680