WEBVTT - Conversations with Cornesy - Raelene Boyle

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<v Speaker 1>Get over and working once again to conversations. My guest

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<v Speaker 1>today is a legend of Australian sport. No truly a legend.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a legend in the Sport Australia Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 1>Raylene Boyle. How are you? Thank you for joining me?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm well, Cornsey, I'm sitting here in almost we've had rain,

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<v Speaker 2>not like you. It's quite green up here in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sunshine Coast, but I'm well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you been living up to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I've been up here in nearly thirty years?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Why? I mean, are Victorian? Why the Sunshine Coast? Look?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was ill with my cancer, with my breast cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>the original one, I just couldn't cope with the cold

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne any longer, going through chemo, through winter and

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<v Speaker 2>doing all the hard yards. When it came to that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I just had to make a decision. So I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to I'd lived up here before and it was an

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<v Speaker 2>easy decision, and both my brothers moved here as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been a good decision. Although I'm starting to

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<v Speaker 2>dislike the rain at this stage this.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, there's something about the warmth, There's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We come to Adelaide, you get the best of both worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have winter.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be down there in the next month actually to

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<v Speaker 2>catch up with my buddy Margie Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a lady. What a lady. You're a Victorian girl,

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<v Speaker 1>born and bred in Kobo.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Carlton area. Isn't that Carlton district? Did you? I read?

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<v Speaker 1>I read somewhere you awarded a medal by the Anti

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<v Speaker 1>Football League. Was that of taking the mickey? Or did

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<v Speaker 1>you not really like football?

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<v Speaker 2>I never had anything to do with football, still don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never I've been to a couple of games for

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<v Speaker 2>Breast Cancer Network, but I haven't really been to a

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<v Speaker 2>whole footy game. It's just not been in my culture.

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<v Speaker 2>My culture was more individual sports. My older brother was

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<v Speaker 2>an Olympic cyclist, and I of course ran, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was more the setting that we were comfortable in, and

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<v Speaker 2>we would doers rather than watchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, tell us about your back mument. You had three

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<v Speaker 1>older brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>That I've got, an older and a younger brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that was Wikipedia, They're wrong picking correct it? And

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<v Speaker 1>older and a younger brother. Yes, what did mom and

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<v Speaker 1>dad do?

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<v Speaker 2>Dad was an engineer. He you know, he worked around

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and then he ended up at the

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne City Council and that's where he stayed until he

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<v Speaker 2>died at fifty. And my mum was basically a housewife.

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<v Speaker 2>But Dad had these grandiose, I don't know, concepts of

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<v Speaker 2>buying and selling pushbikes and so, yeah, we had cycling shops,

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<v Speaker 2>god knows what. I don't think they ever made money,

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<v Speaker 2>but probably introduced him to women all.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, mum pretty much ran those. She was quite

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<v Speaker 2>a depressed and a sad woman in many ways. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she was ever that happy. And she died

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<v Speaker 2>of cancer at seventy. So, you know, I see all

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<v Speaker 2>my friends going through the nasties with their parents now.

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<v Speaker 3>Of.

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<v Speaker 2>Dementia and Alzheimer's and all sorts of things. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get that far in life with my parents beforehand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fifty was young.

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<v Speaker 2>He heart disease and did nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just dropped in one day.

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<v Speaker 1>You said that little aside about your dad meeting women.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean is that one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>your mother was sad?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think dad was a bit of a womanizer, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think Mum probably was, you know, a woman who

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<v Speaker 2>was chronically depressed and didn't really want to participate in

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<v Speaker 2>the fund that dad wanted, and he moved on. But

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<v Speaker 2>they stayed together, but I don't think it was an

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely deliriously happy marriage. But I moved out of the

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<v Speaker 2>house when I was eighteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>What were your schooling years? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>My schooling years were, you know, pretty bad? Actually it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't my ghost school. I just couldn't sit still in

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<v Speaker 2>class and I really couldn't understand why they were teaching

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<v Speaker 2>me French because I was never going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>France and.

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<v Speaker 1>There might have been of an Olympic Games.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but I didn't think like that. I sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thought, well, where I am coming from from Coburg,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll probably be working a sandwich shop or something for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of my life. And I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 2>I would see the world and have the most amazing

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<v Speaker 2>experiences that a person can have. But yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't very good at school. I can still remember missus Kozik,

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<v Speaker 2>my French teacher. She'd say, ray Lean, I've given you

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<v Speaker 2>three out of one hundred because you've felt your name

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<v Speaker 2>right was well, okay, fair enough, but I objected to school.

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<v Speaker 2>I once I did go to the Olympics, school pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much fell by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>So when did you when did you realize? When did

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<v Speaker 1>somebody recognize and that you had this athletic talent?

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably when I was at primary school eleven

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<v Speaker 2>maybe twelve. There was no doubt that I could run fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly I wasn't a goutcount but he's extraordinary. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of leaning that way that I just could

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<v Speaker 2>run fast, and I was oblivious to the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>using that somehow or having the ability to use that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow to actually enhance my life.

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<v Speaker 1>What changed who came along?

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably experience of Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>To get to the Olympics, you mustn't You had to

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<v Speaker 1>knuckle down at some stays, you had to take it

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was sixteen and my father didn't want me

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the first Olympics, something to Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 2>He sort of said, well, if I do let her go,

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<v Speaker 2>then she's not going to train for it in any

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive manner. So I did about three months worth of training,

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<v Speaker 2>three times a week for a three quarters of an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did exactly the same session every time, and

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<v Speaker 2>that took me to a sew ofver medal and a

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<v Speaker 2>fourth in thee hundred meters. So obviously there was some

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<v Speaker 2>raw talent there and I think that that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>in a way gave me the direction I needed to

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<v Speaker 2>actually do something with my life, and sport was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the guiding guiding light.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so dismissive that I have to explore it

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more. You just cannot train for three months

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<v Speaker 1>and goo to the Olympic Games. But we need a break,

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<v Speaker 1>so I need to challenge you on that when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back. And that's okay. Raylean Boyle is my guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks back shortly. Raylean Boyle is my guest on conversations everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>our great Olympic athlete, a legend in the Sport Australia

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, member of the British Empire mb and Order.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an am Order of Australian award that she has

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<v Speaker 1>been granted. But before we went to the break railing,

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<v Speaker 1>I was intrigue, as though you hardly trained it all

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<v Speaker 1>to go to that first Olympic Games in Mexico. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there must have been a coach who saw something, and

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<v Speaker 1>it must have been a coach who knuckled down and

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<v Speaker 1>gave you a program. I mean, just up and go

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<v Speaker 1>to the games and win a silver medal.

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<v Speaker 3>Surely that's pretty much what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe you.

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<v Speaker 3>My father was.

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<v Speaker 2>He believed at sixteen I was far too young to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing heavy duty work because I was still growing.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, you know, basically to the powers that be,

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<v Speaker 2>she'll go to the next one, so she doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>need to go to these ones. And the powers that

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<v Speaker 2>be accepted that and sent me over there for experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they saw something, you know, big in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel about that when your dad was

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<v Speaker 1>not that enthusiastic about it. Did you feel, as I

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<v Speaker 1>was an ambition that it was being thwarted?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know I read in the paper that

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<v Speaker 2>I was selected and I was the youngest, and I thought, oh, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get on a plane and go away for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of you know, a couple of hours flight, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll have a bit of running and come home.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it just the penny didn't drop that it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be a very long way away and

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<v Speaker 2>that I was going to be away for six weeks

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<v Speaker 2>and that, Yeah, I had to have some form of

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<v Speaker 2>discipline to get myself to the track and it warmed

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<v Speaker 2>up and get out and ready to race, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was very intimidating.

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<v Speaker 3>In front of her.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a massive stadium in Mexico. I was about

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<v Speaker 2>sixty or seventy thousand people, but it was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>thing in Mexico. And yes, it really opened my eyes

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<v Speaker 2>to the world and gave me that gave me the

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that fitted into the concept of you can make

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<v Speaker 2>something of this. Not that I was ever going to

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<v Speaker 2>make any money out of it then, but certainly that

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<v Speaker 2>I could make something of this and be good at

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<v Speaker 2>something in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I did read that you don't have that much memory

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<v Speaker 1>of Mexico, but surely the experience of standing on the

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<v Speaker 1>dais must have stayed with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes it did, it did.

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<v Speaker 2>And I Yeah, that silver metals the only one I have.

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<v Speaker 2>The other two ones in the Gallery of Sport in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and one I gave to a friend because

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<v Speaker 2>it was her birthday of the day I run.

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<v Speaker 1>It, but yeah, he gave it away. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The metals are symbols of medals. Are more important than records.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say at this significant time, it's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice that gout outs running so fast, and that's brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>But the metals are the things you keep. The records

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<v Speaker 2>are taken away from him there as time goes by,

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<v Speaker 2>new methods and new equipment and the whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it means that records are broken, which is chantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll come to that issue because one of yours has

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<v Speaker 1>just been broken up after fifty seven years. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about that a bit later. But Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>is renowned for the black POWs salute.

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<v Speaker 2>It was renowned for quite a few things, Cornsey.

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<v Speaker 3>It was renowned for altitude.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it was six eight hundred feet or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It was bloody high and the air was thin. But

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<v Speaker 2>being a seventy year I had no idea what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on. I used to walk up the stairs. The

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<v Speaker 2>others got the elevator to the eighth floor, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know Ron Clark.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Story wasn't He actually stopped breathing and his heart stopped

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<v Speaker 2>after the ten thousand meters. And then of course we

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<v Speaker 2>had Frosberry jumping backwards over the high jump, and we

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<v Speaker 2>had Beman Beaman doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable long jump.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a lot happened, and then we got

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<v Speaker 2>to Peter Norman and Carlos and the black counsel at

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<v Speaker 2>Smith here, Carlous and Smith and the blacker. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that it was so much a black power so

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<v Speaker 2>that it was a message because Smith, who organized it,

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a well educated, very nice man.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been lucky enough to interview him previously. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was ostracized afterwards, wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He he was, which I think is very sad, very sad.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you see, I forget the swimmer as it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't Chalmers who didn't get on the dais at

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<v Speaker 2>a swimming major swimming. I think it might have been

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics, might have been World Championships because the Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>guy who won the race was a renowned drug chip

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<v Speaker 2>and so here he refused to get on the dais

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<v Speaker 2>for the silver medal in objection to I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>big picture is the interference of drugs in sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're going to be impacted on that so negatively

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<v Speaker 1>later in your career. But was there any any indication

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<v Speaker 1>that when you were this naive seventeen year old. I

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<v Speaker 1>supposed when you came back to Australia, had life changed

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yes, we did these faux pictures of me

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<v Speaker 2>going back to school and the kids whole welcoming me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I went to school for Finnish very many,

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<v Speaker 2>if any, whole days after that, But my life changed dramatically.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the media requests, it was very different then.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have these sorts of link ups that you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are on. It was really in person mostly,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you've been in the public eye. The

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<v Speaker 2>requests come through and I don't think my family or

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I knew how to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was another massive growing pattern that I had

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<v Speaker 2>to go through.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you say that, how did that impact negatively

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<v Speaker 1>on you and the family?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there were positive sides to it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think without doubt there are negative sides to it. But

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly made me grow up very quickly. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>still was a pretty naive, innocent seventeen year old. That

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<v Speaker 2>changed very quickly, quaranty. But yeah, I came home a

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<v Speaker 2>different person. But I think in that first problem six

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<v Speaker 2>months life changed very dramatically for me, and expectation was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that probably was the most punishing,

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<v Speaker 2>because all of a sudden I was expected to know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do and how to deal and how to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to have a sandwich with the Queen and

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do if you know, as a poor example,

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<v Speaker 2>probably get you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also I love that. I love that analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was it like having a sandwich with the Queen?

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<v Speaker 3>She was a lovely lady.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the Queen. Really, I didn't have a sandwich

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<v Speaker 2>with her, but I did meet her at many different functions,

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<v Speaker 2>though she wouldn't have remembered me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, Oh you never know, you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she present you with the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I went to Government House in Victorian received that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did receive my AM from the Great Margie

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson when she was a governm in South Australia. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a private ceremony, even though Margie felt that was

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<v Speaker 2>probably not the way to go. It should have been

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<v Speaker 2>a public thing. But I rang and asked if I

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<v Speaker 2>could just have a private ceremony with friends and family,

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<v Speaker 2>and she agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>We love Marjorie Marge one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The best examples of living a good life and doing

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing in every situation. Marge's and I speak

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<v Speaker 2>to her. I speak to us sort of every week

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<v Speaker 2>or two weeks, and I just love her. She's very

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<v Speaker 2>close to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's underpinned by a tragedy though, losing her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, yes, I think all of those things are

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<v Speaker 2>examples if you move on with life. I think when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to Margie losing Peter, she moved forward. She

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<v Speaker 2>still had three kids to defeed and get to school,

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<v Speaker 2>and life had to go on. And it was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit like that when I was diagnosed with cancer. Was

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, do you drop your marbles now or do

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<v Speaker 2>you actually pull everything together and move forward and try

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<v Speaker 2>and like the most of the experience you've had. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I did with Breast Cancer Network Australia. I

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<v Speaker 2>was on their board for twenty four years and I

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<v Speaker 2>was there helping or trying to help as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I could, and the network could with women who were

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<v Speaker 2>newly diagnosed and diagnosed with breast cancer and blokes.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and I know one of my good friends, an

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding sports died of breast cancer. Can we go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the expectation. So you've come home from Mexico with silver.

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<v Speaker 1>Munich is the next Olympic Games. Are you fired with ambition?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you determined that you can go one better in Munich?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I was certain I could. I was certain I could.

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<v Speaker 2>I came home and certainly I didn't train hard initially,

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<v Speaker 2>but leading up to those games, the last two years before,

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<v Speaker 2>from seventy on, I put I put my spokes on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was ready to do what I needed to

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<v Speaker 2>do to win a gold medal. And I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>I could do that, which I think is a good

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<v Speaker 2>way to go into training because you don't object to

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, and you never walk away from a

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<v Speaker 2>session because you really have this belief that you can

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<v Speaker 2>do something.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believed I could do something. Over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was your dad still your coach?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'd moved on from him, and I was being

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<v Speaker 2>trained by a lady by the name of Arnie Dott,

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<v Speaker 2>whose family I moved in with when my life with

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<v Speaker 2>my family fell apart.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>I was just I got into trouble with.

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<v Speaker 2>Athletics Victoria, and they banned me for three months for

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<v Speaker 2>wearing jeans with freight ends. And not wearing shoes when

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<v Speaker 2>I was at the National Championships. Oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 2>changed so much. But I was so pathetic and the

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<v Speaker 2>media interest in drove us nuts in my family home

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<v Speaker 2>and dad last Arnie Dodd if she could cope with

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<v Speaker 2>me living with her family for a little while while

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<v Speaker 2>everything settled down. And I just saw a different, different

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<v Speaker 2>way of life, I guess, and I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>In last aid was Antie Dodd, an athlete.

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<v Speaker 2>Annie Dodd had been a hurdler, yes, okay involved, so

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<v Speaker 2>she ended up coaching me into two games.

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<v Speaker 1>Rayleing Boil is my guest, folks, What a story, what

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<v Speaker 1>a life, the ups and downs of it? Back shortly,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, everybody. Look if you just tuned in with

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<v Speaker 1>chatting with Rayleing Boyle, it's a great chat. She's so

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<v Speaker 1>open and frank a young girl who goes off to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexico Olympics and wins a silver medal at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of seventeen, comes back, starts to take athletics a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more seriously, falls out with mum and dad moves

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<v Speaker 1>in with Ardie Dott, who coaches leading up to the

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<v Speaker 1>Munich Olympics. Now Munich Olympics should have been probably the

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<v Speaker 1>highlight of your career, and as it turned out, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you did it remarkably well, coming home with two silver medals,

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<v Speaker 1>which in any other era would have been gold. But

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about the Munich experience, can you please, Because

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much happened there.

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<v Speaker 3>I leave.

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<v Speaker 2>The era that I went through at Olympics was a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sad era to be trick. There were so many

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<v Speaker 2>international problems pushed.

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<v Speaker 3>To the fore.

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<v Speaker 2>I came up against these Germans, which I'm sure a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of your listeners know, and these Germans were systematically doping,

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<v Speaker 2>but with male hormones. They're female athletes, so they were

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<v Speaker 2>on a drug called oral tarennobol, and so they in

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<v Speaker 2>fact were more inclined towards male strength. And really a

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<v Speaker 2>female's not going to beat a male if some standard ever,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I went over there believing I could win

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<v Speaker 2>gold medals and came up against an artist Decker, who

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<v Speaker 2>was a good bloke, And that was my first introduction

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<v Speaker 2>against artificial means of an athlete, and I was devastated,

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<v Speaker 2>really that I didn't beat it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're confronted with these physical specimens, are you intimidated.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you intimidated?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're intimidated more by the communist part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That they were herded like cattle. They might nod their head,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's about all a recognition they'd give you. You

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<v Speaker 2>could never be a friend of theirs because they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to be friends outside of their German community. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a very sad thing for me to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever get a chance to meet Renada Sticker

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<v Speaker 1>in normal circumstances later in life?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty minutes took me over to Germany and did a

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<v Speaker 2>story on the drug situation. And I went to where

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<v Speaker 2>she lived, which was a little place called Jana Jenna

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<v Speaker 2>in our language, which was where the pharmaceutical company Clipped

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<v Speaker 2>that made.

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<v Speaker 3>The drugs that they used. But she.

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<v Speaker 2>Had her husband sitting I reckon his face was a

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<v Speaker 2>foot away from hers, and he had been the person

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<v Speaker 2>who had driven.

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<v Speaker 3>The drugs for her, so he'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Give them her and she'd take them in. And they're

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<v Speaker 2>no longer together. But yeah, so she was an interesting character.

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<v Speaker 2>She just rejected everything that was said. You know, did

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<v Speaker 2>you take drugs? No? Would Raylen have beaten you?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Should you give the medals back.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was really quite an awkward situation for me

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<v Speaker 2>because it was in I think it was in ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six and I was still quite ill, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just fascinating. The other interesting place they took

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<v Speaker 2>us too was the Stars He had caught us, which

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<v Speaker 2>ran everything in Germany, and it was it was like

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<v Speaker 2>walking into a freezer. It was so cold, so impersonal,

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<v Speaker 2>even though no one was there, just the make up,

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<v Speaker 2>the way the building had been built, the single person,

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<v Speaker 2>non stop elevator that you just hopped on and hopped

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<v Speaker 2>off while it was still moving. The they had a

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<v Speaker 2>card room with all of every individual in the countries

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<v Speaker 2>had a card and a cross section with a file room,

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<v Speaker 2>and they kept a record on everything every individual did,

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<v Speaker 2>how many times I went to the toilet a day,

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<v Speaker 2>when they ate their lunch, when they ate their breakfast,

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<v Speaker 2>if they went to work or stayed at home, who

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<v Speaker 2>they mixed with.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am not kidding you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ever got a chance to go to Germany's

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<v Speaker 2>that was so confronting. You know, we have so much freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I appreciated my freedom and being born

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia far more after that visit than ever I

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<v Speaker 2>have in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I did read a comment that you made. You would

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<v Speaker 1>far prefer to be a silver medalist living in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>than a gold medalist living in East Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt about that. And I would reckoned that

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<v Speaker 2>Renada Stecca would probably have changed the medals with me

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<v Speaker 2>places with her?

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<v Speaker 3>Did she look at not going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Did she look different? Did she had she had the

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<v Speaker 1>male features softened?

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<v Speaker 2>No, she looked pretty much the same, you know with

0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 2>your age. She was an interesting one because because it

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<v Speaker 2>affected my life, I could actually look at her files

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<v Speaker 2>and her card and she had written a letter to

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<v Speaker 2>the powers to be or over there at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that she didn't want to stay on the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>for forever, she just wanted to go on it when

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<v Speaker 2>the games were coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would the IOC not take action there when the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence is so obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether it opens a can of worms

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>for them or it's all the information is all documented,

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>it's all there. The whole structure of how they did

0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 2>things is there, but the IOC won't look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think probably because they think, well, where do

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<v Speaker 2>we start and where do we finish how many individuals

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 2>now have been caught for drugs. It's the drugs in

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<v Speaker 2>sport are an interesting area that I can't ever agree with,

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact it's changed my whole outlook about sport

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<v Speaker 2>and how I watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you watch any sport these days?

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<v Speaker 3>I watched.

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<v Speaker 2>Gout Gout, I've met him and I watched him run

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<v Speaker 2>at the National Championships on the Tully, But no I

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<v Speaker 2>have I have not a lot of interest in sport.

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<v Speaker 1>If if the I made a decision to strip them

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<v Speaker 1>of those athletes of their medals, would you accept the

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<v Speaker 1>gold medal?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely without that. That's not just because I want a

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>gold medal, because you know, cheats don't prosper, or they shouldn't.

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 3>But in the world was bought sheets do prosper.

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<v Speaker 1>Raylen Boyle is my guest, folks, was so much only

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<v Speaker 1>not even halfway through her life, so much to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about back shortly. My guest on conversations is Raylene Boyle,

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Raylene Boyle a member of the Bought Australia

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, but not only a member, she's a legend,

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>elevated all these other awards too. She's a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the British Empire. MBA and am we're talking about the

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>drama in Munich. Raylen came home with two silver medals.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said previously, in another era, without drug cheats,

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>they would have been gold medals. Of course, Munich is

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<v Speaker 1>most remembered for the terrorist attack. Were you insulated from that?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Actually we were the women's quarters at that stage.

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 2>The quarters were separate women and men, and the women

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 2>were behind the fence as they should and actually should

0:26:55.080 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 2>have been. Behind the fences were the closest accommodation to

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the shootings of the Israelis in their quarters, so we

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 2>could hear the guns. We could see the terrorists walking

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:14.440
<v Speaker 2>around the top of their building. When they shot individuals

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and killed them, they dragged them out into a courtyard

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>that was very close to us, dragged their bodies out,

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was horrible. It was horrible, and I can

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>honestly say when this whole gaza things started again, I

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 2>was sick in to my stomach and nervous and very

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.479
<v Speaker 2>upset by it. Because I am a true believer that

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, life is given.

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 3>To us to use as well as we can.

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not given to us to fight for ridiculous things

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>that are not going to change. And the people that

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 2>have been killed the same as the people in Munich.

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 3>It was you know, eleven that the Israelis died. That

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 3>was just horrible.

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 2>And they were young people, and they were coaches, and

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>they had babies and husbands and wives at home. I'm sorry,

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I just can't forgive for that.

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh dear me, you're still You're still young, and you're

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 1>still at the peak of you at the peak of

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>your powers. And then then we go to Montreal.

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 3>There was a disaster of an Olympics.

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you know, but you're you're the first lady

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 1>to carry the flag for the Olympic team.

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it was the last time I wore address.

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Do we do? We have to relive

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the disqualification?

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, look at that is something that happened. I being

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>an argumentative little bugger. I I did break the well.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 3>I didn't break the first time.

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>There was a noise behind it that the starter heard,

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>and I heard and I went. And then the second one,

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I was coming off the blocks to argue the point,

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>and the starter didn't give me a moment's time to

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>talk to him, and he just disqualified me, which was

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 2>devastating at the time, A feeling that it was one

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of those feelings where you think, I'll never feel like

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>this ever again. I'll never feel this bad ever again.

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>But of course you do as you go on in life.

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Well you do because life dealt you a couple of

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>rough hands. I mean, you had breast cancer and you

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>got over that, and then you had ovarian cancer.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>For heaven's sake, Yeah, how lucky am I?

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, I don't think lucky, but I mean you've

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you've fought them off. I mean that must be an

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>inspiration to other people going through the same ordio.

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 3>I think.

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I think originally the breast cancer, I mean, it was

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a horrendous time in my life, the same as it

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>is for everybody. But I think it gave me an

0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to give back and make change or the women

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>for the better. And a lot of the things we

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>did really have made a big difference, and they're ongoing

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>now and we have a good relationship with the government,

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and pushing new drugs through is a much easier path

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>than it used to be, even though it's always a

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>struggle because it's costly for the government. But I've met

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the most wonderful people and had enormous experiences out of

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>being diagnosed with breast cancer.

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 3>And the ovarian didn't kill me.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Might one day, But you know, what doesn't kill you

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>makes you stronger.

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.239
<v Speaker 1>That intrigues me. Why did you recover when so many

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>others don't?

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Ah, I look, it all comes down to the type

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of breast cancer and the type of well the ovarian

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I was an early diagnosis, That's why I got through that.

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>But the breast was it. It depends on the type

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 2>of breast cancer you've had or you've got.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Depends on a whole lot of things.

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 2>You can't pinpoint any one thing that makes a difference

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>for me and not for another woman. But yeah, it

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>was horrible experience. I didn't have very big boobs either.

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought, nothing.

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Make me laugh. It's not funny.

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not funny, but you've got to be able to laugh,

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 2>you laugh at yourself.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I just wonder what message that can you give to

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>ladies who I guess they're all vulnerable, some more than others.

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Is there a message there that it is.

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>To be aware of your body, to be aware of

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>any changes and have them checked. Don't just think I've

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>got a little lump there and go away, or you

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>know my nipple doesn't look right, that'll change. Just go

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and have the damn thing check. Because the earlier you

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>get at the better chance you've got of having a

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>normal life and a long life. So always consider yourself first.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Women put themselves back in the long list of you know,

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>a husband, children, parents, and sometimes that causes a problem.

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>You had a record that lasted for fifty seven years

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and a young kid from Perth just broke it. And

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I know we talked about records there you just borrow records?

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I think is that? Is that a term? You borrow records?

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>But you win medals? How did you feel like was

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>there a touch.

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Of oh no, No, I felt really good about it

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 2>that you know, finally there are some kids coming through.

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>We've got a very good showing of young sprinters, both

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 2>male and female at the moment. Records going means progress

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>is being made.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 3>So that's very.

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Important in a sport that I was so passionate about

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and I still love watching to a certain degree. It's yeah,

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>records have to be broken for progress.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Have you met young Leah O'Brien i've spoken.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>To from the fine She sounds like a really lovely kid.

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 2>She ran very well in the women's hundred at the

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:15.479
<v Speaker 2>National Championships, and Tory lewis just leader. But Torian have

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 2>to be five years older than her, I would think,

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>But no, I was very impressed.

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Mind you.

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>These kids are so different to my era because they're

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 2>all they're all very seriously trained.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 3>Nick.

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I understand that. It intrigues me that you had such

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>minimal training in preparation for that record. You broke that

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>in Mexico, didn't she?

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you know it was a record? Did that?

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Probably? They're probably not. I went into races not to

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 3>break records.

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone does, really. I went into races

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>to win them, and that was what it was about.

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Anything else was ancillary.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Coming to the end. Are you're living in You're living

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>in the Gold.

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Coast, Sunshine Coast.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Put me down at the Gold Coast corner.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I've got I've got ev and I don't live in Hell.

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I've got a niece who lives up there, and a

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 1>great niece is a great little surfer too. She might

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>actually go.

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.720
<v Speaker 3>So it's a good place to be for surfing.

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>So you look back over that life. I mean, we

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 1>don't and we don't know it. You're still on the

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>early seventies. Love's lost and loved and you look bad.

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Any regrets?

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Not really.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I I had some lovely partners. I was engaged to

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a going perth for a while, but that obviously didn't

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>suit my last time lovely guy. I still talk to

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>him regularly. We've still got a lot in common.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 3>We still have a.

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Laugh to get and yeah, I just I've got a

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 2>female partner that I've had for thirty years, and I'm

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>happy in this world.

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's easy. It seems so much easier to be

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in that sort of relationship these days, am I right?

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>It is back early. I don't think I realized that

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I prefer to female partner until I was in my twenties,

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>well into my twenties. But the nice thing about Jude,

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 2>my partner, is that she's got three children, and I

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>now have grandchildren as well, So that's lovely for me,

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 2>that next generational thing. Little Sam and Will are a

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 2>delight and we're expecting them up for an Easter egg

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 2>hunt for Easter. But yeah, my life at times has

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>been scary because of my sexuality, I suppose, But you

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 2>have become those things, and you have to be true

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 2>to yourself. And I think that's the bottom line. I

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 2>haven't got anything to sell. I haven't got anything to

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know nag on about or talk on about.

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm just me and I'm content in my skin, and

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>my life.

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Has been a good life.

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>You have your life to talk about, you have your achievements,

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you have you the records, the record, I mean, the

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>record is there for everyone to see. It's an amazing record.

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sponsie, you know, in today's world, I'd rather talk

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 2>about my fourteen month old Golden Retriever that's around and

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 2>wanting to.

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Have a game.

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Does it eat everything inside?

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Has been a bit naughty of late. She did eat

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 3>a pair of Jude's shoes the other Yes, that's not

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 3>my fault.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't leave my shoes out and my dog has tastes.

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>She would not chew my Nikes because she would be No,

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>she'd be killed.

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Who were you sponsored by Nike all the way through?

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 2>No, I was sponsored by Puma. Nike wasn't around. Nike

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 2>came in to be about nineteen seventy two, and pretty

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 2>much I moved over to them when they came to Australia.

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 2>Pumore really wonderful to me, after me extremely well. But

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I needed a job and Nike offered me a job

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and I went across and I liked their shoes and

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>so they've been wonderful to me and still are.

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Well how does your day look these days?

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, my day today was I've been up, I've taken

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the girl for a walk, I've had my breky because

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm homeline, and I've been back to bed and read

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 2>the paper and I did get out of bed to

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>come and do this and do you with you? And

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to go to the gym. So he doesn't

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 2>help me lose weight, but he stops me from falling

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 2>over and losing my balance and all that.

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Stuff that's so important. Balance.

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>The two things that I think I've noticed getting older

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>are one balance and two opening jars.

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh tell me about that.

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>But Mike, I love Mike, and he you keep me

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>trim talking true think I've been going to in about

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>five years, and I can honestly say I did have

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a few fools. One was in Adelaide, and I just

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 2>had to get over that because if I wanted a

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>young dog, for example, I had to have balance to

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to walk her. And if I wanted to

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>live my life in my own home, I needed to

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:29.959
<v Speaker 2>look after those incidentals. But major incidentals as they are.

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 1>What a delight catching up, What a delight speaking to you.

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your time.

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 3>You're welcome. Corn say, I think we need to do a.

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Series, mate, I can do it. I can dove a

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>bit deeper, but I just didn't know how far to go.

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 3>That's right. No one never knows quite what to do

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 3>with me.

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, if there's no rules, we could do one.

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, if there were no rules, A lot of people

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that'd love to have done one like that.

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Good gossip.

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure don't talk about that. Thanks so much, Rylaane,

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>all the best. Conci Rylan Boil was my guest. Folks,

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining us.