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Speaker 2: down the barrel of the camera, The wonderful Meghan Kelly
Speaker 2: is here on Paul Murray Live each and every Wednesday Night.
Speaker 3: She decided to take that clip and parley into her victimhood.
Speaker 3: How people have doubted her as she becomes the country queen.
Speaker 1: What is she talking about?
Speaker 2: Well, Beyonce and somehow I'm involved in all of this.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I'm in the middle of a beef
Speaker 2: between Beyonce and Meghan Kelly.
Speaker 1: We all know I'm going to back Meghan Kelly all day,
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 2: But first let's start with the garbage that's going on
Speaker 2: in Tasmania as we speak. By this time, the expectation
Speaker 2: was that the government was going to fall. Well, probably
Speaker 2: not tonight. We know Tasmania as gorgeous. Since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: Liberal premiers have been the constant choice of the people
Speaker 2: of Western Australia. First Will Hodgman, his second term was
Speaker 2: a full majority. Then Peter Goodwin took over after Will
Speaker 2: moved on, and now Jeremy Redcliff.
Speaker 1: Who of course was the treaty with Peter Goodwin. He
Speaker 1: won the election last year.
Speaker 2: The election last year in Tasmania no did not produce
Speaker 2: a majority of seats, but clearly the party with the
Speaker 2: most support were the Liberals fourteen seats for short of
Speaker 2: a majority.
Speaker 1: But clearly clearly.
Speaker 2: Above the Labor Party at ten, the Greens at five,
Speaker 2: Independence including a former Labor leader who had been booted
Speaker 2: out of the party, and the Jackie Lamby candidates who
Speaker 2: by their own admission had no policies, but the power
Speaker 2: of the re elected senator was able to produce those three. Now,
Speaker 2: whether those three would have gone to the Libs or
Speaker 2: two to one of who cares right, But the reality
Speaker 2: was it was a government going for multiple terms and
Speaker 2: the only reason there was a state election in Tasmania
Speaker 2: last year was because at the previous election, again a
Speaker 2: scenario where a majority had not been produced and slightly
Speaker 2: maturely numbers get chipped away. Now we've seen this multiple
Speaker 2: times over multiple years, where frankly, the Labor Party in
Speaker 2: the Greens have tried to work together in my view,
Speaker 2: to steal government. When the Liberal Party have got a
Speaker 2: clear majority in a state that hasn't produced majority government
Speaker 2: for a long time, they settled in on the person
Speaker 2: we came to know as the Hamburglar. The former mayor
Speaker 2: of Hobart, Sue Hickey, elected as a Liberal, got annoyed
Speaker 2: because she was and made a minister, so the Greens
Speaker 2: and Labor tallied up to make her the speaker, robbing
Speaker 2: one vote of the majority and effectively government back into minority.
Speaker 2: We've seen scenario after scenario. We're the Labor Party in
Speaker 2: its multiple forms, no matter how many times it is
Speaker 2: rejected by the people of Tasmania, finding some way to
Speaker 2: try to blow up the government that got more votes,
Speaker 2: the party that got more votes. Now, since twenty and fourteen,
Speaker 2: Liberal and Labor governments have come and gone at the
Speaker 2: federal level, Yet the obvious choice of the biggest chunk
Speaker 2: of Tasmanians is that it should be a liberal who
Speaker 2: is the premier. But we are in this ridiculous situation
Speaker 2: where the Labor Party and the Greens, who remember, have
Speaker 2: shown over how many terms, how many ways they have
Speaker 2: tried to cut the knees of the Liberals because they
Speaker 2: they took government away from diabolical coalitions of Labor and
Speaker 2: Greens in the many many years before all of that.
Speaker 2: How many times does TASMANI have to send the message
Speaker 2: before Labor and the Greens back off. Well, the reality
Speaker 2: is that they think that, just like a toddler pistering
Speaker 2: you for a toy that they want or chocolates, that
Speaker 2: if they yell long enough, eventually they will get what
Speaker 2: they want.
Speaker 1: Now, as you know, there.
Speaker 2: Has been a no confidence motion that was expected to
Speaker 2: have passed today with the support of the Greens, many
Speaker 2: independents and the Labor Party. Now that has not taken place.
Speaker 2: In fact, it has now been adjourned until tomorrow. No doubt,
Speaker 2: frantic negotiations happening with the crossbench with the Greens.
Speaker 1: But let's make this very clear.
Speaker 2: The Labor Party can pretend that this is about oh, budgets,
Speaker 2: Budgets very important that we care about budgets. Mate, The
Speaker 2: federal government is running one te for trillion dollars debt.
Speaker 2: This government is absolutely running billions of dollars a debt,
Speaker 2: no question whatsoever. Tasmania being a smaller state with the population,
Speaker 2: it's capacity to pay it off anytime quickly undeniably difficult.
Speaker 1: But let's be very serious.
Speaker 2: The state Labor Party have tried to undermayre undermine not one,
Speaker 2: not two, but three three Liberal premiers in a row,
Speaker 2: effectively trying to become the government by stealing it without
Speaker 2: an election.
Speaker 1: This is the latest reason.
Speaker 2: As to why they believe there should be at the
Speaker 2: very least a removal of the premier at testing of
Speaker 2: the numbers, a chance for a new government to come in,
Speaker 2: or let's go off to an election. And then when
Speaker 2: the people get annoyed with having election after election after election,
Speaker 2: somehow they blame the Liberals, not Labor and the Greens
Speaker 2: for forcing them to vote over and over again.
Speaker 4: When this premier got into the job, there was barely
Speaker 4: a billion dollars worth of net debt. Three years later
Speaker 4: we're on a pathway towards eleven billion dollars worth of
Speaker 4: net debt. It is staggering, extraordinary, reckless, irresponsible and how
Speaker 4: could anyone support that the largest cash deficits every year
Speaker 4: four ten years?
Speaker 2: See what I'm holding it in? What sets me off
Speaker 2: about this bloke? And before that, Rebecca White. Rebecca White
Speaker 2: was a serial failure as the leader of the Labor
Speaker 2: Party in Tasmania. But she looks good on television. She's
Speaker 2: popular in the Seed of Lions. So now she's going
Speaker 2: to be part of the Federal Parliament, she'll immediately slot
Speaker 2: into the girl boss role and she will probably, like
Speaker 2: a Christina can early go way beyond her station or ability.
Speaker 2: But let's be very clear that people of Tasmania have
Speaker 2: rejected them multiple times. The Labor Party kicked out one
Speaker 2: of its own leaders, yet still the public turned around
Speaker 2: and said, no, buggy, you were sending him back as
Speaker 2: an independent to the Parliament. If this bloke became premier,
Speaker 2: this Labor leader, along with the Greens, oh, they're going
Speaker 2: to say they're going to do something about debuty. You
Speaker 2: and I both know exactly what they're going to do. Well,
Speaker 2: we've had a look at the books and then they
Speaker 2: look they're far worse than we thought. So all of
Speaker 2: the plans to change anything. Yeah, look, we'll get there eventually.
Speaker 2: And don't even get me started about this AFL stadium
Speaker 2: and the AFL team. Now, I have been very skeptical
Speaker 2: of this deal. I have spoken about how taxpayer's money
Speaker 2: is introgal to the existence not just of the stadium
Speaker 2: but also of the team. But the little doubt, the
Speaker 2: little detail they always leave out of this conversation is
Speaker 2: that Anthony Alberinezi and the federal government are also paying
Speaker 2: for that stadium. They also support the team. Yet State Labor,
Speaker 2: who have always tried to take a position against the
Speaker 2: stadium because their support is in the south of the
Speaker 2: state not the north of the state, is that they
Speaker 2: have believed that this never should have happened. The problem
Speaker 2: is Anthony Alberaneesi rolled into town at a time when
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party had multiple seats, especially across the top
Speaker 2: of the island, and now after a couple of electoral cycles,
Speaker 2: it is now Labor everywhere bar one independent, and that
Speaker 2: of course is Andrew Wilkie. So Labour is trying to
Speaker 2: bring this on because they think that the tide is
Speaker 2: so far out on the Liberals that they've lost all
Speaker 2: of the federal seats. There that if there was an
Speaker 2: election to be called, then they would romp it in
Speaker 2: simply because they are team read Now, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to pretend that I know Tasmanian politics inside out. Will
Speaker 2: talk to somebody who does. But surely the people of Tasmania,
Speaker 2: who had a wonderful choice of One Nation or Jackie
Speaker 2: Lamby to send into the Senate, will not accept the
Speaker 2: re election of a Labor government brought about by them
Speaker 2: playing this game. But the reality is this is also
Speaker 2: against the stadium Jackie Lamby. Guess who said that she's
Speaker 2: not going to be doing anything in state politics again,
Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby?
Speaker 1: Do I believe her?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Do I think that the vote that One Nation produced,
Speaker 2: along with the vote that has traditionally been for the
Speaker 2: Liberals in the north, would mean that probably the same,
Speaker 2: if not slightly better, might be the result for the
Speaker 2: Tasmanian Liberals at a next election.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably, But do not pretend there needs to be an
Speaker 2: election in Tasmania that does not. The only reason it
Speaker 2: is happening is because the Labor Party, for the third
Speaker 2: time to a third premier is trying to steal government.
Speaker 2: This is not standing up for budget discipline. This is
Speaker 2: a tantrum on its way towards trying to tantrum and
Speaker 2: bully their.
Speaker 1: Way back into high power.
Speaker 2: Now, if you thought labor in the Greens was a
Speaker 2: bad thing in Canberra, I'll give you the tip. It
Speaker 2: is horrific, so horrific in Tasmania that, regardless of how Australia,
Speaker 2: Tasmania has felt about the federal government at every state
Speaker 2: election since twenty fourteen, they have kept the Liberal premiere.
Speaker 2: For his part, Jeremy Rockcliffe, Well, he's going to fight
Speaker 2: and we've had plenty of differences over the years and
Speaker 2: I don't know whether me backing him in is a
Speaker 2: good thing or not for him, But I'll say this,
Speaker 2: he was able to form the party with the biggest
Speaker 2: number of votes and the biggest number of seats to
Speaker 2: hold on to government for as long as possible. The
Speaker 2: idea of it being tipped out by bastards who have
Speaker 2: been trying to steal it for more than ten years
Speaker 2: is outrageous. This is what he had to say.
Speaker 1: In Parliament today.
Speaker 5: This day, it might not end well for me, but
Speaker 5: this day will define you. This day will define you
Speaker 5: exactly for the rest of your political career. Where you
Speaker 5: are now will have the stigma as leader of.
Speaker 1: Being a wrecker.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. One hundred percent. Let's see what happens
Speaker 2: in the next twenty four hours. In the next few minutes,
Speaker 2: we'll talk to somebod who knows a lot more about
Speaker 2: TASMANI in politics. I'm'm missing something here. I get that
Speaker 2: there's personality issues from time to time. As it said,
Speaker 2: I butted heads with Jeremy Rockcliffe. But I'm sorry, this
Speaker 2: is a very very cheap way of trying to change
Speaker 2: your government. We'll all find out together in a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes. All right, Now, we know the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: was distracting Australia and successfully say by telling lies during
Speaker 2: the election. This is all you'll need to see a doctor,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that what eighty five percent of doctor said, No, no,
Speaker 2: you'll still need to bring your credit card. We know
Speaker 2: that Jim Chalmers, desperate to try to turn around from
Speaker 2: not being there for the majority of Australians when it
Speaker 2: came to cost of living, of course, was out and
Speaker 2: about pretending to be a member of the SEES when
Speaker 2: we all know he wasn't in the cyclone that of
Speaker 2: course was not as well. But all of this successfully
Speaker 2: was able to change the subject. Poles told us at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, we wanted to change your government.
Speaker 2: Then a whole bunch of very deeply personal attacks, bs
Speaker 2: own goals and all the rest of it resulted in
Speaker 2: not a government going backwards, instead putting the accelerated down
Speaker 2: and getting as many seats in the Parliament as John
Speaker 2: Howard did in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: It is their time, but.
Speaker 2: It just shows just how successful their ability to distract
Speaker 2: the Australian population from its reality actually was about how
Speaker 2: you can get away with anything if most of the
Speaker 2: media is on your side. The Australian economy is back
Speaker 2: where it was for the best part of the past
Speaker 2: two years, where the average citizen was going backwards. The
Speaker 2: only reason the country was technically growing was because of
Speaker 2: the beatings of dollars being pittled up against the wall
Speaker 2: by the federal government on the federal government, by and
Speaker 2: for the federal government. Economic growth in Australia was looking
Speaker 2: okay towards the end of last year, but it was
Speaker 2: pretty crappy for most of last year. This time last year,
Speaker 2: point one of one percent remember anything under zero, so
Speaker 2: say minus zero point one percent for two quarters in
Speaker 2: a row. That is a recession. We have been like
Speaker 2: a car idling at the lights in terms of growth
Speaker 2: point one point two point three. We did start to
Speaker 2: move at point six, but that's not massive. Well guess what, bang,
Speaker 2: we're straight back to where we were. The car is
Speaker 2: stalling again. But oh, because we're talking about Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: bad and where's nuclear power going to go?
Speaker 1: And there's a.
Speaker 2: Problem with whomen all of the other garbage, all that
Speaker 2: other stuff, not to mention the behavior, yes of Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and of course the reduction in interest rates in February.
Speaker 2: The reality is that Australia decided to rehire the authors
Speaker 2: of this economy for the next three years. Well, today
Speaker 2: the headlines say it all that Australia is on the
Speaker 2: brink of a recession because literally, if the overall growth
Speaker 2: right now is zero point two, the chances of it
Speaker 2: going to zero point three or zero point one probably
Speaker 2: equal the idea of it going under that and us
Speaker 2: beginning the process of set of three months and another
Speaker 2: three set of three months for a recession.
Speaker 1: Maybe. But of course, to talk about any of this
Speaker 1: during the campaign.
Speaker 2: Was talking down the economy while the economy was going down.
Speaker 2: As the Daily Mail right about it today, Australia's on
Speaker 2: the brink of sliding back into another recession. Major blow
Speaker 2: to Anthony Aberneese's government. Of course, it doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: they're back in there, sitting pretty the opposition reduced to
Speaker 2: a rump barely holding itself together in terms of the coalition,
Speaker 2: but fared income, can we be very serious here about what.
Speaker 1: Took place today?
Speaker 2: The Australian economy is spluttering yet again, and of course
Speaker 2: the federal government. The only reason we are sitting at
Speaker 2: zero one zero two zero three is because of that
Speaker 2: government spending. That government spending that results in borrowed money,
Speaker 2: borrowed money that takes us from one trillion to one
Speaker 2: point two to one point five to one point seven
Speaker 2: to two trillion dollars debt, not one budget surplus for
Speaker 2: the next forty years. Yet, because the people can be distracted,
Speaker 2: because the people can be lied to, because the media
Speaker 2: are part of that lie, they get away with it.
Speaker 2: Well as they were getting away with it, Australia's economy
Speaker 2: was starting to splutter or pull to a stop. Someone
Speaker 2: smarter than me can explain.
Speaker 6: It was a fairly shabby number. We would have liked
Speaker 6: to have seen a higher growth figure for the quarter.
Speaker 6: Our own projections were for zero point three percent, so
Speaker 6: we expected a higher number, and that was after we
Speaker 6: revised our forecast down after some weak GDP partials that
Speaker 6: came out yesterday.
Speaker 1: So it was a soft number.
Speaker 2: Soft number feed inkin like as soft as soft could
Speaker 2: be tissue paper soft, right with the economy being a
Speaker 2: truck that's going to drive through it feeding. As for
Speaker 2: the treasure, of course, nothing to see here. I'm amazing,
Speaker 2: Thank goodness for voting for us. Did you remember how
Speaker 2: much I helped during the floods. I know it'll be
Speaker 2: me versus anaical worlds at the next run to be
Speaker 2: Prime minister, but remember me.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who's saved Australia from me.
Speaker 7: It's clear from this data that in the March quarter
Speaker 7: our growth was subdued in our economy, also clear that
Speaker 7: our economy is not productive enough. But I also wanted
Speaker 7: to offer this perspective when you look at these numbers today,
Speaker 7: no major advanced economy has our combination of unemployment in
Speaker 7: the low fource, inflation below two and a half percent,
Speaker 7: and three years of continuous growth.
Speaker 1: This guy, Remember, his.
Speaker 2: Doctorate is not in an economy, it's about in how
Speaker 2: to sell an economy, how to sell what Paul Kenning
Speaker 2: did in Australia, brought it up in droves and by
Speaker 2: the spoonful, couldn't get enough again blazon on the back
Speaker 2: of my the mob always gets it right. But these
Speaker 2: people lied their way. They absolutely lied their way in
Speaker 2: last time, and they trebled down this time, and the
Speaker 2: media absolutely helped.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the reality of the economy was it was spluttering.
Speaker 1: Oh but that's all Donald Trump's stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, the stock market went down and there's now
Speaker 2: back to a record high. Now we like to talk
Speaker 2: about AI artificial intelligence because I don't know this part
Speaker 2: of this that is amazing and fun.
Speaker 1: To play with and part of it that's a little
Speaker 1: bit scary.
Speaker 2: Perfect example, when I was with the girls tonight, we
Speaker 2: were just mucking around with AI and they said, hey, Dad,
Speaker 2: can can you get touch ABT to make pictures of you?
Speaker 2: So here's one of me writing a cow. That's what
Speaker 2: Asher wanted to see, and then there's me riding a
Speaker 2: turtle and that's what Zadi wanted to see on TV.
Speaker 2: Then my wife for some reason said dolphin. So Shanni,
Speaker 2: there's me writing a dolphin on TV again. Fun right,
Speaker 2: like fun, cool thing.
Speaker 1: To do, right. I don't want anyone creative to lose
Speaker 1: their job below.
Speaker 2: Fun stuff you can do with AI. Reality though, is,
Speaker 2: of course, there are many, many, many people are very
Speaker 2: anxious about what it's going to do to employment. If
Speaker 2: things can be done very quickly by a computer that
Speaker 2: used to take a lot more time for human beings
Speaker 2: to do well, that is a world of pain. But
Speaker 2: one of the bobber boys of Anthony Abernezi, one of
Speaker 2: the old union heavies, which of course now means he's
Speaker 2: a senator. Senator Tim Ayres says this.
Speaker 1: Is a perfect opportunity.
Speaker 2: For unions, unions, the good old fashioned union to get
Speaker 2: involved now, despite the fact that when it comes to unions,
Speaker 2: you need to remember they're just seven point nine percent,
Speaker 2: less than eight percent of people in the public private sector.
Speaker 2: My apologies. If you work for the government, state or federal,
Speaker 2: thirty two percent of those people are part of a union.
Speaker 2: If you work for a business, less than eight we're
Speaker 2: on this brand new technological age of AI. Yet the
Speaker 2: bother boy from a labor Party and the good old
Speaker 2: fashioned union boy in the Labor Party says no na
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, that's the time for the union
Speaker 2: movement fdich. He was addressing a AI conference. This one
Speaker 2: was run by the Australian Financial Review in the Science
Speaker 2: and Industry Minister has signaled a bigger role for trade
Speaker 2: unions in influencing our Australian companies incorporate artificial intelligence advances
Speaker 2: into their workplace practices amid growing concerns that AI would
Speaker 2: replace swedes of white collar jobs. Just before we get
Speaker 2: to his quote, come back to me for a second,
Speaker 2: because you want to know the idea of how some
Speaker 2: of this technology works when it comes to the dark
Speaker 2: eyed ages of the unions that are still running the
Speaker 2: show for the Labor Party. In twenty twenty five in
Speaker 2: New South Whales, they have invented this incredible new system
Speaker 2: of metro lines. Metro lines that mean none of the
Speaker 2: train lines intersec like spaghetti any more, Meaning if there's
Speaker 2: a problem with this one, it doesn't affect that one.
Speaker 2: It is effectively an automatic system and they don't need drivers.
Speaker 2: Oh but the unions, the unions, they shut down the
Speaker 2: network week after week, day after day, took us back
Speaker 2: to the bloody eighteen twenties, and now there is a
Speaker 2: human being sitting in the front of a train of
Speaker 2: which the human being isn't driving. But that's the take
Speaker 2: now of twenty first century. Freshly re elected, rejuvenated and
Speaker 2: reminted labor unions part of the future. When it comes
Speaker 2: to Ai, let's pick it up with his exact quote
Speaker 2: that he made to the conference Economic growth and productivity,
Speaker 2: and AI's role within that means so much in terms
Speaker 2: of the world of work, high wages, opportunity and social equity.
Speaker 1: Now what does equity mean, kids?
Speaker 2: Equity is different than equality because it means regardless of
Speaker 2: where you start, you all end in the same place.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether you put all the effort in
Speaker 2: or four fifths of buggaraw, we all end up in
Speaker 2: the same place.
Speaker 1: Perhaps the reason I'm wearing the red jacket, that's.
Speaker 2: What these people are about. Freshly re elected because people
Speaker 2: fell for the medicare garbage or the scares or the
Speaker 2: own goals or the failures of the opposition of the
Speaker 2: last election. Faed ink Anyway, Dave Sharma, he pushes back here,
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you a bit more about sorry, I
Speaker 2: confuse my own team there, Dave Sharma. He says Tim
Speaker 2: Ayres is wrong. Union should not control AI use in workplace.
Speaker 2: It is retrograde and risks Australia falling behind the rest
Speaker 2: of the world. In the embrace and exploitation of AI,
Speaker 2: it threatens to turn artificial intelligence to a tool to
Speaker 2: be exploited by unions In industrial relations bargaining, it sets
Speaker 2: up an unhelpful dynamic suggesting that business will gain but
Speaker 2: workers will lose from artificial intelligence. In fact, as the
Speaker 2: historical record of new technology suggests, workers stand to gain
Speaker 2: as much from tools to make their lives easier and
Speaker 2: their time more productive. Let's talk about what is taking
Speaker 2: place in Tasmania right now, guys. My apologies here, which
Speaker 2: is I want to talk to Matthew Denham. Matthew Dinam
Speaker 2: is writing for the Australian newspaper about what is taking
Speaker 2: place when it comes to Tasmania and its politics, and
Speaker 2: he joins us, now, thank you very much, Matthew. So
Speaker 2: stay of execution for twenty four hours is the expectation
Speaker 2: that the premiere is trying to work over the Greens
Speaker 2: to push them back unlikely or work over the crossbrench
Speaker 2: or double check whether he's ready to go to an election.
Speaker 1: By lunchtime to morrow, we'll.
Speaker 8: Look probably a little bit of both of those things.
Speaker 8: I think there's still probably a little bit of a
Speaker 8: hope that the cross Bench might go a week at
Speaker 8: the knees between now and tomorrow when the vote should
Speaker 8: finally be taken after a very long day to day.
Speaker 8: But really I think that's a pretty slim hope. So really,
Speaker 8: you know, you've got this kind of standoff. Really you've
Speaker 8: got a premier who's lost the confidence of the House.
Speaker 8: On the one hand, he's refusing to resign and is
Speaker 8: you know, saying he's going to force an election rather
Speaker 8: than resign. And on the other hand, you've got Labor,
Speaker 8: the cross Bench and the Greens refusing to back down
Speaker 8: on their no confidence motions. So those two things will
Speaker 8: probably collide tomorrow and it's hard to see an avoidance
Speaker 8: of a state election unless someone gives ground, unless the
Speaker 8: Premier resigns or the Liberal Party decides that they will
Speaker 8: replace him to stay in office with a different leader.
Speaker 8: And the governor will have something to say about this
Speaker 8: as well. Was actually the acting governor because the Governor's
Speaker 8: away at the moment. So it's all pretty fluid at
Speaker 8: the moment here.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Look, it might be an awful lot of kilometers that
Speaker 2: you've got to cover, but there's many balls in the
Speaker 2: air right now. But where's the governor, the Phillin governor,
Speaker 2: all the rest of it?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: Look again, I mean you know where I'm coming from,
Speaker 2: which is somebody towards the said right of Australian politics.
Speaker 2: But what annoys me here is that what we are
Speaker 2: seeing play out in Tasmania is a result of minority government.
Speaker 2: It's a minority government, not of one or two, it's
Speaker 2: a minority government of the best part of four. That
Speaker 2: means that the Lambie people who broke away from the
Speaker 2: Lambey Parliament, who basically a newbies and frankly still probably
Speaker 2: don't know where the toilets are right now, are understandably
Speaker 2: fired up. There are some betrayals that have happened when
Speaker 2: it comes to this government. But am I right in
Speaker 2: part of my assessment here that labor how many times
Speaker 2: over how many terms have tried to disrupt or knock
Speaker 2: over a sitting re elected government. Here we saw it
Speaker 2: when it came to Sue Hickey becoming the speaker. We've
Speaker 2: seen it in my view multiple times before. Will Hodgman,
Speaker 2: of course had to fight two elections to be out
Speaker 2: in his own ryle and that's when the Hamburglar incident
Speaker 2: took place. Why is it so unstable there? And will
Speaker 2: the Tasmanian people look poorly on Labor if we have
Speaker 2: to have an election because of this?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Well on that last point, you know both the leaders,
Speaker 8: both Jeremy Rockcliffe for the Liberal premier and Dean went
Speaker 8: to the Labor leader. They're both kind of already trying
Speaker 8: to play the blame game and blame each other for
Speaker 8: the election if it does occur. You know, it's only
Speaker 8: fifteen or less than fifteen months is the last one,
Speaker 8: So it's going to be deeply unpopular, right, Tasmanians have
Speaker 8: voted federally Lessle of Council election and now potentially another
Speaker 8: state election. So the blame game has already started in
Speaker 8: case that does eventuate tomorrow. But really, you know, I
Speaker 8: don't think Labor, I personally, I don't think Labor expected
Speaker 8: an election to be on the cards. They thought this
Speaker 8: was more about potentially you know, wedging the cross bench,
Speaker 8: forcing them to kind of disassociate from the Liberal government
Speaker 8: which they prop up and also perhaps you know, getting
Speaker 8: rid of Rockliffe, so delivering a wound but not actually
Speaker 8: killing the government. So I don't think they really expected it,
Speaker 8: you know, the Liberal Party to unite behind Rockcliffe in
Speaker 8: the way they have so far. Having said that, you know,
Speaker 8: it's it's a long time between now and tomorrow morning
Speaker 8: and little Ane tomorrow afternoon if it goes that long,
Speaker 8: so who knows, We could see, we could see the
Speaker 8: Liberals to side to persuade Jeremy to move on in
Speaker 8: order to avoid a state election, because you're right, Tasmanians
Speaker 8: don't want another election and you know it's costly, it's
Speaker 8: not good for business confidence and the electoral system here,
Speaker 8: you know, going back to your original question, you know
Speaker 8: it's the hair clerk proportional representation system. So you know,
Speaker 8: in a very pure sense it's quite democratic, but it's
Speaker 8: it does make for minority governments and they can can
Speaker 8: be unstable from time to time.
Speaker 2: Now, I know it's impossible to set upside the past
Speaker 2: eighteen months in just this discreet little TV hit, but
Speaker 2: I mean you've seen plenty are things as out of
Speaker 2: control as to deserve this moment because we know, of course,
Speaker 2: way back in the nineteen seventies it was it was
Speaker 2: very significant, you know, for a bill not to be
Speaker 2: able to pass through to become a law, or the
Speaker 2: budget papers and all that stuff when it came to whitlam.
Speaker 2: But yes, government debt bad, no question. Buggarizing around when
Speaker 2: it comes to ferries not good. But it's not deep corruption.
Speaker 2: It's not you know, acts of criminality. We are talking here,
Speaker 2: you know, frankly about what are they going to be
Speaker 2: really going to fire up about a stadium of which
Speaker 2: the federal Labor Party is backing in here? I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I know they're making the most of the numbers around them.
Speaker 2: Is it fair for me to observe and say, look,
Speaker 2: is there a fire burning?
Speaker 1: You bet you? Is it structural? Probably not?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Look, I think even you know, a Labor Party that
Speaker 8: initiated this motion would would not be alleging malfeasans or corruption. Really,
Speaker 8: their claim is incompetence basically, and to be fair, there
Speaker 8: is quite a bit of ammunition to support that claim.
Speaker 8: You know, they wasted millions, tens and millions or more,
Speaker 8: you know, building new ships and they're not bothering to
Speaker 8: actually have an infrastructure any war for them to dock
Speaker 8: at them, and it's just crazy stuff. And obviously they're
Speaker 8: doubling state debt from five billion to ten billion in
Speaker 8: a matter of years, and the stadium has some you know,
Speaker 8: he has some strong support, but also a lot of detractors,
Speaker 8: and you know he's going to cost a lot of
Speaker 8: money at the same time as that debt's going up.
Speaker 8: So there are some real issues. But you're right now
Speaker 8: on so alleging malfeasance by any means. It's more about
Speaker 8: the competence of the government. And as I said, Labour's
Speaker 8: aim I think was to kind of novel the premiere
Speaker 8: and they thought perhaps Eric Kabbats or one of the
Speaker 8: Conservatives would take over and that they might be less
Speaker 8: palatable to the electroate. But that may still happen, but
Speaker 8: at the moment we seem to be inching towards the
Speaker 8: state election very very slowly. Yeah, sometime tomorrow maybe I
Speaker 8: get the.
Speaker 2: Sense of it, and I look forward to seeing you
Speaker 2: on the trail. Thank you so much, matter to.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it you book. Keep reading you in the Australian newspaper.
Speaker 1: What a fascinating thing there, Matthew Din.
Speaker 2: Of course, with the information coming out off Tasmania election
Speaker 2: by this time tomorrow or a new premier, we'll all
Speaker 2: find out together.
Speaker 1: But either way, Labor hang your head in shame. No
Speaker 1: matter how this results.
Speaker 2: If you end up winning every seat in the parliament,
Speaker 2: what a disgrace, truly disgraceful. We'll find out what I
Speaker 2: panel think next to you on Paul Murray Live and
Speaker 2: then Meghan Kelly before we're done, depending on where you're
Speaker 2: watching us. It's bloody cold right now. We'll get even
Speaker 2: colder tonight, particularly in and around parts of New South Wales.
Speaker 2: The snow is making its way. Of course this weekend
Speaker 2: King's Birthday weekend, regardless of when his birthday actually is.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Chuck. We'll take the long weekend. But it's
Speaker 2: the start of the ski season, so yes, it's very cold.
Speaker 1: Scotty's Weather will explain what happens next.
Speaker 10: We did see a dusting over the last thirty six hours,
Speaker 10: but there's could be a lot more than that. With
Speaker 10: this system coming through from Saturday, we'll start seeing snow
Speaker 10: that blue line anytime it's across the resorts. That means
Speaker 10: snow will be falling below fourteen hundred meters. Most of
Speaker 10: the models are indicating between thirty and seventy seven meters
Speaker 10: of snow for all of the major ski resorts.
Speaker 2: Now the Australian Institute of Sport ruled me to be
Speaker 2: an unco back as a kid. That continues to be
Speaker 2: reaffirmed and any opportunity I've got anywhere near it. It
Speaker 2: is confirmed Stephen Conroy loves the world of skiing, so
Speaker 2: that's why I give him a little bit of information.
Speaker 2: He's just here to help. And Lucy's early. How good
Speaker 2: to have her here too. Where are you on the
Speaker 2: snow sports? Are you the type of person who loves it?
Speaker 1: Or like me? And I'll just have a smoke next.
Speaker 11: To the five let me tell you when the Winter Olympics,
Speaker 11: Paul in first and foremost, thank you for giving me
Speaker 11: the opportunity. Happy to have here program, and I know
Speaker 11: that mister Conroy there also loves his football too. We're
Speaker 11: had a similar journey over the years. But when it
Speaker 11: comes to ski sports, I would love to sit by
Speaker 11: the fire like you and happy to tune into the
Speaker 11: Winter Olympics and barrack for Australia correct.
Speaker 2: But Stephen, though he's licking his lips, how good it
Speaker 2: is going to be now speaking of what the hell
Speaker 2: is happening in Tasmania? Right now, Stephen, where let's be
Speaker 2: honest right now? Okay, you know we know the history
Speaker 2: that is taught the left wing version of the dismissal
Speaker 2: in and around the seventies, of course reaffirmed by the
Speaker 2: Australian public. This always left out of the textbooks, not
Speaker 2: once but twice after that moment. But now we're going
Speaker 2: to have a scenario where Labour, who've tried to kneek
Speaker 2: up the Libs for multiple times in Tasmania, look like
Speaker 2: they might get there, and we're off to an election
Speaker 2: and who knows the whole joint's read at the federal
Speaker 2: so who knows what's going to happen at the state election.
Speaker 2: But do you agree with me that perhaps we should
Speaker 2: actually save these moments for when something maybe criminal has happened,
Speaker 2: something borderline criminal has happened. Because of pissing money against
Speaker 2: a wall is a reason to get rid of a government?
Speaker 2: Can you join me down at Government House in Victoria
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning.
Speaker 9: Well, look, firstly, Paul, just to correct one of your analogies.
Speaker 9: In ninety seventy five, the Senate blocked. Supply correct, the
Speaker 9: House of Representatives, the chamber in which government is formed,
Speaker 9: had nothing to do with the blocking and bringing down
Speaker 9: of the government. What you have in Tasmania is a
Speaker 9: lower House that they decided they wanted to expand the number.
Speaker 9: I thought it was brave slash courageous to borrow.
Speaker 1: From so Humbri.
Speaker 9: And what this has led to is neither party was
Speaker 9: going to go close to a majority. So you were
Speaker 9: never going to have, as you had under the old parliament,
Speaker 9: an easy path to thirteen seats or what is it now,
Speaker 9: seventeen lives out thirty five. So this was a decision. Yeah,
Speaker 9: this was a decision taken by the Tasmanian Liberal government
Speaker 9: and it's ultimately come back to bite them. So, I mean, sometimes,
Speaker 9: you know, karma really does catch up with you. But
Speaker 9: people told them this would happen, said you won't form
Speaker 9: a majority, and now it's the floor of the house
Speaker 9: in which you choose the government. And I think this
Speaker 9: is a monumentally incompetent government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, fair enough, but an election is supposed to
Speaker 2: But I'm saying elections are supposed to solve that, aren't
Speaker 2: they lucy? Not the numbers on the floor. Now again
Speaker 2: we saw there was the minority government that's existed for
Speaker 2: multiple state governments all over the shop. For the Gillard government, Yes,
Speaker 2: constant pressure, but you've really got to pick your moment
Speaker 2: for when you want to pull one of these things on.
Speaker 2: And unless you've got an unless you've actually got a
Speaker 2: plan to turn around the thing that you're claiming is broken.
Speaker 1: And I don't think this bloke's got any idea.
Speaker 11: We're starting a ten billion dollars debt, So why don't
Speaker 11: we talk about all the other states and territories that
Speaker 11: are experiencing monumental debt? Why do we talk about the
Speaker 11: federal debt that we're now staring down the barrel of
Speaker 11: which is one point trillion dollars of debt? Why didn't
Speaker 11: we issue were no confidence vote in Victoria with Dan
Speaker 11: Andrews after the you know, the the lunatic if I
Speaker 11: could call him that as respectfully, but you know, after
Speaker 11: that lunatic totally destroyed the city right through the COVID period.
Speaker 11: What about the monumental debt that's been left for David
Speaker 11: Chris of Fooley from the former Labor government in Anastasia Palache.
Speaker 11: So really to wish you are no confidence vote over
Speaker 11: something like this, and to think that the Liberal Party
Speaker 11: could lose its leadership over, let's be frank, a very
Speaker 11: controversial decision and to quote Jackie Lamby, stick your stadium
Speaker 11: up your butt. I mean, come on. And Andrew Bolt
Speaker 11: rightly said, is this woman ever going to be able
Speaker 11: to just kind of rein it in a little bit
Speaker 11: because although.
Speaker 1: She has been rewarded, well, she does.
Speaker 11: But maybe she is speaking to a core constituent of
Speaker 11: people who finally feel as though they're also being seen
Speaker 11: because we're getting so caught up in political speak here,
Speaker 11: but I think to drag Tasmanians through this circus, who
Speaker 11: are also the same time having to fend off, you know,
Speaker 11: threats from Tanya Plibask over the salmon farming and the
Speaker 11: threat to five thousand jobs already they've been through enough.
Speaker 2: But also there's such a North South divide and this
Speaker 2: is part of the extra members in parliament which helped
Speaker 2: produce those extra members, particularly those extras. When it comes
Speaker 2: to Lamby that she wasn't able to hold on to
Speaker 2: is it literally? Look and I love Tasmania. Right, this
Speaker 2: is nominally bad and it's just saying literally when there
Speaker 2: is a public holiday for the southern half of Tasmania
Speaker 2: that's at a different time of the year to the
Speaker 2: one for northern Tasmania. Okay, so their politics and many
Speaker 2: other things end up being quite divided. Everyone's heard the
Speaker 2: number so far tonight, nine billion dollars in counting. Wow,
Speaker 2: some of these climate change bills. Again, as Andrews said today,
Speaker 2: remember when Kevin Rudd said it would just cost a dollar,
Speaker 2: just a dollar per person. Reality though, is we can't
Speaker 2: hide from it. Loose Australia rehired them and how.
Speaker 11: Well this is the problem, right, is that they won
Speaker 11: the election based on not just lies surrounding medi scare
Speaker 11: nuclear energy, which they said was going to cost you know,
Speaker 11: upwards of six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 9: That was a lie.
Speaker 11: But they won the election in the face of a
Speaker 11: cost of living crisis, having spent four hundred million dollars
Speaker 11: on the failure of the voice, a housing crisis, one
Speaker 11: point one point one million people coming through the gates
Speaker 11: you're in Australia, which I would deem an immigration crisis
Speaker 11: because what is it then done Paul. The consequence of
Speaker 11: it has been further pressure on our medical system and
Speaker 11: our house price. It's got longer, every queue got longer, right,
Speaker 11: And so they were able to successfully win in the
Speaker 11: face of all of this, which is actually terrifying when
Speaker 11: you think about it, and it's something that you also
Speaker 11: pushed in the lead up through the election campaign. Do
Speaker 11: you research, know who you're voting for? Look at your
Speaker 11: preference cars, it'd seem what's just happened in the Sea
Speaker 11: of Bradfield correct, which is very interesting as well. And
Speaker 11: some of these votes not being countered because preferences weren't
Speaker 11: correctly entered. So there's so much to think about in
Speaker 11: all of this. But the fact that it's nine billion
Speaker 11: dollars now and it's increased in that period in the
Speaker 11: last decade from six hundred million to that now is
Speaker 11: just it's a shameful, shameful exercise, this pursuit of ned zero.
Speaker 2: But Stephen, is the reality that hey, ninety five seats,
Speaker 2: we went up, we didn't go backwards.
Speaker 1: The know not that it matters.
Speaker 2: The first pole post election shows, you know, it's one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent to minus four hundred percent. I
Speaker 2: think they got the North Korean counters to come in
Speaker 2: and have a look at that. But I mean still
Speaker 2: it's it's huge amounts of money. Again, if we're talking
Speaker 2: about you, Tazzy, government's going to get rolled over ten
Speaker 2: billion dollars. This is nine billion dollars in one year.
Speaker 9: Which is still an awful lot less than the six
Speaker 9: hundred billion dollars the opposition went to the government went
Speaker 9: to the government, all right, I will use David lil
Speaker 9: Proud's number, three hundred billion dollars. You started his number,
Speaker 9: said publicly no, but I'm prepared to say we'll concede
Speaker 9: that three hundred billion dollars to do the nuclear conversion.
Speaker 9: So nine billion it's a bit less.
Speaker 2: But the cso that that that that changing from the
Speaker 2: system that we've had to the three wheel car now
Speaker 2: used to be a trillion, Now it's half a trillion dollars.
Speaker 2: Three hundred billion would be less than half a trillion, right,
Speaker 2: we agree, and that basic maths.
Speaker 9: No, Unfortunately, this sense reward does not say.
Speaker 2: Oh, hang on that it's now half a trillion and
Speaker 2: it's five hundred billion dollars to the cost of transitional
Speaker 2: sentity is the Energy Works report.
Speaker 9: That there's a transition. Transition is different from the actual
Speaker 9: cost of the build, okay, and the Liberals have not
Speaker 9: costed their transition. Okay, they got to three hundred or
Speaker 9: six hundred, depending on who you want to believe. With
Speaker 9: our covering transmission is imagine what it would have been
Speaker 9: with transmission.
Speaker 11: Scrub the deflection though, Stephen, because at the end of
Speaker 11: but at the end of the day, mate, we're talking
Speaker 11: in semantics. We've got a moratorium. We can't even have
Speaker 11: a discussion about nuclear in this country right, so we
Speaker 11: can't even put it out to market to talk about that.
Speaker 11: Let's talk about the nine.
Speaker 9: Billion doll It wasn't going to market.
Speaker 11: We're staring down.
Speaker 9: Going to market.
Speaker 11: Well, it should go out to.
Speaker 9: The Liberal Party policy with the government.
Speaker 11: One hundred dollars policy voice. Why don't we actually spend
Speaker 11: money on a referendum on energy and let the Australian
Speaker 11: people decide once and for all so we can finally
Speaker 11: have some certainty around the direction this country is going
Speaker 11: in with energy. We look at our allies across the
Speaker 11: UK and the US, they have bipartisan support for nuclear energy.
Speaker 11: There is an understanding even those radical lunatics, the Democrats
Speaker 11: can agree that nuclear is the right path forward, and
Speaker 11: we are sitting here still debating on whether or not
Speaker 11: renewable energies is costing us billions of dollars it is.
Speaker 2: That's a face I've got to get to.
Speaker 1: Give me thirty seconds, Stephen.
Speaker 9: I'm glad. I'm glad you haven't got on in the
Speaker 9: year twenty forty.
Speaker 1: Look at that, not even going.
Speaker 9: To twenty forty to get cheaper power, beells and electricity.
Speaker 11: On getting those transmission lines up twenty forty. Thank you,
Speaker 11: build off all the farmland, mister Conroy.
Speaker 1: I love these too. Rip it in. I can hear
Speaker 1: you cheering from home. Thank you, Lucy, Thank you, Steven.
Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly is next. We just keep getting better and better.
Speaker 1: And dollo dalad, how are you saying to sea.
Speaker 2: Our favorite time of the week to talk to our
Speaker 2: favorite person in the world, the one, the only, Meghan
Speaker 2: Kelly rockstar.
Speaker 1: How's your week been?
Speaker 3: It's been spectacular.
Speaker 6: How's yours made?
Speaker 1: Very good?
Speaker 2: Now let's get to the biggest story in the world
Speaker 2: right now. This is the one I want to set
Speaker 2: the record straight, which is that I was watching your
Speaker 2: show and I have seen you calling out beyoncey for
Speaker 2: stealing content from our conversations.
Speaker 3: Beyonce, who's on some world tour right now reinventing herself
Speaker 3: as a country star, is running video tape during the
Speaker 3: show of yours. Truly, I believe it is a clip
Speaker 3: from me on the Paul Murrie's show out of Sky
Speaker 3: News Australia, which I do once a week because I
Speaker 3: adore him. Yes, believe it or not. In addition to
Speaker 3: all your great viewers, Beyonce is watching and she's got
Speaker 3: tissue paper thin skin, and was very deeply offended Paul
Speaker 3: that we had a discussion not recognizing Queen Bay as
Speaker 3: the new ruler of country music, that we might have
Speaker 3: had a couple of doubts about whether she would revolutionize
Speaker 3: this genre that's been around for a long time before
Speaker 3: she decided to stick her toe into it and she
Speaker 3: decided to take that clip and parley it into her victimhood.
Speaker 3: How people have doubted her as she becomes the country queen.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm sorry, I'm a Chris Stipleton manor Rod hardcore
Speaker 2: every word, every album, every song, Rod.
Speaker 1: I can't stand that.
Speaker 2: You know Fawn fair enough, She's in the finals when
Speaker 2: it comes to the Grammys of you know, a country
Speaker 2: Artist of the EO Country Album of the Year.
Speaker 1: She made Chris Stipleton not acceptable, not okay.
Speaker 2: Just because you dress up like a country star does
Speaker 2: not make you a country star.
Speaker 3: Cash cash old. If Chris Stapleton had married jay Z,
Speaker 3: he would have had it. These things are bought and
Speaker 3: paid for. I mean, it's really obvious. And all of
Speaker 3: her marketing is bought and paid for by jay Z.
Speaker 3: If you married jay Z, you could be as big
Speaker 3: a star as Beyonce. And how do I know that, Paul,
Speaker 3: no offense. But if you look at her now, it's
Speaker 3: tough to tell the two of you apart, it's Beyonce.
Speaker 3: It's not today what she used to be.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Still she gets this glowing coverage everywhere because she's Queen Bee.
Speaker 3: Because these two run around like a couple of mob bosses.
Speaker 3: If you write something bad about them, and there's certainly
Speaker 3: people in the music industry who need ongoing access have
Speaker 3: to all hail and bend the knee at the altar
Speaker 3: of these two. Well, guess what, I don't need you
Speaker 3: at all. I'm not at your altar. I'm not on
Speaker 3: my knee. You didn't revolutionize country music. You're a glomer
Speaker 3: who used other people's big hits and catchy tunes to
Speaker 3: try to jump in last minute. Thanks to jay Z's marketing,
Speaker 3: it looks like a success, but that's true of her
Speaker 3: underlying career too. I don't like her music, I don't
Speaker 3: like her dance routines, and I don't like what she's
Speaker 3: let happen to her. And that's my opinion. Take that
Speaker 3: and put it up on your next Real Beyonce, I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: We have a term in Australia for people who complain
Speaker 2: like this sucks all right, sounds like that she and
Speaker 2: the blood that they're just giants, sooks, babies, you know,
Speaker 2: as they carry on all right. Now we know that
Speaker 2: the second Elon Musk came into Donald Trump's orbit, there
Speaker 2: was an obsession with trying to break them up, or
Speaker 2: looking for signs of them breaking up.
Speaker 1: He's you know, come.
Speaker 2: You know he's been from you know, as you say,
Speaker 2: a tissue paper a distance between them. He's done his job.
Speaker 2: I punished him, blew up his cars. Now he's gone
Speaker 2: back to the private sector and today's decided. He's tweeting
Speaker 2: that he doesn't like the budget. That is currently being
Speaker 2: pushed through. Now what annoys me about this is that
Speaker 2: it plays into this constant obsession of the left trying
Speaker 2: to get into the will they won't they break up?
Speaker 2: Will they won't they ever be on the same side.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk ain't going back to the left.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: He might have the Harry hits with some of the
Speaker 2: things that are in the budget, but sorry, dims, he
Speaker 2: ain't coming back.
Speaker 3: There's just such a nasty, petty group of people. You know.
Speaker 3: I don't blame Elon for objecting to the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 3: There's a ton in there of spending that we cannot afford.
Speaker 3: You know, Trump made a lot of promises when he
Speaker 3: was running for president that now he's trying to keep
Speaker 3: in the form of this bill. So I mean, in
Speaker 3: one way, good on him, but in another, holy shit,
Speaker 3: if we can't afford this. So that's what Elon is
Speaker 3: reacting to. He was sent in there to go try
Speaker 3: to find a bunch of fat ways, fought fraud and
Speaker 3: a brute abuse so that he could slim the federal
Speaker 3: budget and help balance the budget in that way, and
Speaker 3: it didn't work. That's the truth. He tried. Doge is
Speaker 3: still trying, but what we're learning is the forces in
Speaker 3: Washington are just too strong. They're too dug in. The
Speaker 3: courts stopped him, the bureaucracy stopped him, and ultimately the
Speaker 3: press helped stop him by ruining his other businesses to
Speaker 3: the point where he had no choice but to go
Speaker 3: back to manning them full time and giving up being
Speaker 3: at the helm of Doge. What Elin ultimately said is
Speaker 3: like his verdict was, I've realized it can only be
Speaker 3: done by spurring GDP. That's our only way out of
Speaker 3: this thirty seven trillion dollars of debt. We have no
Speaker 3: choice but to double down on our work ethic and
Speaker 3: try to power up the engines that have always powered
Speaker 3: the American economy. We're not going to do it by
Speaker 3: cutting spending because there's no desire and there's too many obstacles.
Speaker 3: So sad, it's kind of a sad verdict. At the
Speaker 3: end of Elon's Doge term, you would think that maybe
Speaker 3: some on the left would think, God, I was such
Speaker 3: an ass I behave terribly with one of the world's
Speaker 3: richest men and most brilliant humans ever to walk this
Speaker 3: little sphere we all live on, volunteered to do public service,
Speaker 3: and he's an eccentric. Look at his personal life. Look
Speaker 3: at yes, I believe the drug use. But he wanted
Speaker 3: to work for me and for you and to just
Speaker 3: help find efficiencies in this massive business we call the
Speaker 3: United States. And instead of saying thank you, we put
Speaker 3: our boot on his forehead and shoved him back down
Speaker 3: the slide.
Speaker 1: She's a base. Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: Beyonce I beyonce I putting up video of Megan from
Speaker 2: this little tab program.
Speaker 1: Say the whole world is watching.
Speaker 2: The whole world is isn't a grinthumbe protest thing?
Speaker 1: Good one to sac believe it or not?
Speaker 2: What you are seeing here is something that is many
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars in the making. But what
Speaker 2: is it? It is an electric plane. It landed in
Speaker 2: New York today.
Speaker 1: Pilot plus four forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: The future of aviation is clearly not long distance just yet,
Speaker 2: but on its way electric planes still in the United States,
Speaker 2: Let's talk about their greatest president of all time, the
Speaker 2: one who was able to not just defy the critics,
Speaker 2: but to defyre gravity. Joe Biden, of course, the only
Speaker 2: man to fall up the stairs well when he was
Speaker 2: in office, you know, as always President, Well, it grabs
Speaker 2: a pen signs all of the different orders. Only problem
Speaker 2: is there was thousands and thousands of thousands of documents
Speaker 2: which were signed with a machine, an autopen.
Speaker 1: Like the electronic version of the etcher sketch. If you
Speaker 1: may remember that president from way back when.
Speaker 2: Well, among the people whose legal pardons from the President
Speaker 2: were approved by the machine, not the guy clearly left
Speaker 2: alive by a machine was his son Hunter Biden. Today
Speaker 2: we learned that the Trump administration, people in Congress and
Speaker 2: even the Department of Justice is now trying to double check.
Speaker 2: But simply if a machine signs the piece of paper
Speaker 2: argue immune from prosecution, who knows if it is or isn't.
Speaker 2: But it's a fun question to ask, because they did
Speaker 2: today at the White House, these last.
Speaker 12: Minute fading parts, the big ones Biden siblings Fauci January
Speaker 12: sixth Committee, Most of the big ones had the same
Speaker 12: very neat signature boot expect that probably to be the.
Speaker 1: Heart on that. Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can show you that again
Speaker 2: but without the sound. But do you like the reporters
Speaker 2: that are sitting next to him going, oh, I've got
Speaker 2: to sit next to the Fox News guy who's got
Speaker 2: a really good question and he's got a prop as well.
Speaker 2: Look at them, Look at at the passive aggressive carry
Speaker 2: on from the mate, Steve, Well done, go the deuce.
Speaker 2: As for Carolyn Leavitt, of course, the spokesperson for the president,
Speaker 2: she said, thank you for a question.
Speaker 1: I will now kick from goal in front.
Speaker 13: It's very interesting, very interesting props. If you want to
Speaker 13: bring them to my office later so I can take
Speaker 13: a closer look, I would like to do that. The
Speaker 13: President is making a good point when he discusses the
Speaker 13: usage of the autopen who was running the country for
Speaker 13: the past four years. Perhaps those documents were signed with
Speaker 13: the autopen. Something that this I believe the Department of
Speaker 13: Justice is looking into, as you saw Ed Martin made
Speaker 13: an announcement at the Department of Justice this morning to
Speaker 13: launch an investigation because the American people deserve answers, eh
Speaker 13: and every time.
Speaker 2: And they, oh, but we're going to talk about a
Speaker 2: long because aren't they breaking up? No, it just disagrees
Speaker 2: with the big beautiful bill all right. I met for
Speaker 2: a long waken after a bit of a run. When
Speaker 2: it comes to the election time, Olivia, the Haynes of
Speaker 2: James morro and I'll say you next week.