Speaker 1: I get our team, craig anthe arper, it's a year project.
Speaker 1: It's Schilespo. It's Cook, who's very excited because one of
Speaker 1: Melbourne's most excited Bogans has just brought herself what's called
Speaker 1: a new exhaust system for her motorbike because she thinks
Speaker 1: her motorbike is not loud enough. So she's just gone
Speaker 1: from a three star Bogan to a five star Bogan
Speaker 1: and now the cops are we chasing her with her
Speaker 1: new illegal muffler.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, thanks Harps, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: What precipitated you spending all of that money to literally
Speaker 1: just make your motorbike more obvious to the cops.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't do anything illegal in the bike, so
Speaker 2: that doesn't bother me. But once you recognize that you
Speaker 2: feel like you're scooting around the street on a sewing machine.
Speaker 2: That awareness never fades and it was going to bother
Speaker 2: me for the rest of eternity.
Speaker 1: Well, that's only because you've got a friend. And I
Speaker 1: say friend, then inverted commas everyone and wink, whink, nudge nudge.
Speaker 1: Special friend who rides a what's he ride in India
Speaker 1: and rides and he's got a loud exhaust. Has he
Speaker 1: so you had exhaust envy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's got a louder exhaust to me, And don't
Speaker 2: you start.
Speaker 1: I've got no idea. What was that ride?
Speaker 2: Once? And I heard you start your bike?
Speaker 1: I'm all very street legal, glespo. Have you ever ridden
Speaker 1: a motorbike? Yeah? I didn't think so, no.
Speaker 3: Desire whatsoever to ride a motorbike. And I thought the
Speaker 3: way you made them louder was to go out with
Speaker 3: a screwdriver and punch holes in the muffler.
Speaker 1: Well that until until the seventies, that was the that
Speaker 1: was the practice. But we've kicked on a little bit
Speaker 1: since when you were dirty.
Speaker 3: And then you get to fend a grand and put
Speaker 3: an attachment on Insteadae, Well.
Speaker 1: That's a cheap that's a cheap one too, That's all right.
Speaker 1: That is very cheap because she bought it off gum
Speaker 1: Tree whatever that is. I feel like I have no idea.
Speaker 1: But is gum Tree dodgy or is that legitive?
Speaker 2: Now it's legit. It's just a secondhand platform. This is
Speaker 2: a platform where you can sell things a marketplace. But
Speaker 2: there's plenty of dodgy people on there.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are David James Kevin Patrick allSPI. It's
Speaker 1: five point thirty seven as we record in Melbourne on
Speaker 1: the sixth of November. It's quite an historic not atif,
Speaker 1: and it's quite an historic day in the world because
Speaker 1: they are stumbling towards the finish line, or striding brilliantly
Speaker 1: towards the finish line of the American election. Any thoughts,
Speaker 1: any predictions? Do you give a shit? Do you pay attention?
Speaker 1: You are a lawyer, I would think that you do
Speaker 1: have a fleeting interest.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I have a lot of interest in it.
Speaker 3: I think America is about to make a very very
Speaker 3: bad decision. I think they're probably going to elect Trump
Speaker 3: at this stage, that's what the numbers look like. And
Speaker 3: I think that's very very bad for America and then
Speaker 3: as a consequence, bad for the rest of us eventually.
Speaker 1: Well, we could do a whole episode on that. Just
Speaker 1: yes or no, sociopath or yes or no?
Speaker 3: Oh definitely. Oh, but then again, that's that's that's not
Speaker 3: a hard question when you're talking about politicians. I mean,
Speaker 3: your ninety nine percent answer is yes, definitely. It's you know,
Speaker 3: now convinced me I'm wrong. Really, start from the proposition
Speaker 3: that you're talking about a psychopath when you're talking about
Speaker 3: a politician and then find evidence that perhaps they're not.
Speaker 1: Well this time tomorrow, I think, well, know, so let's
Speaker 1: let's not have any political debates. But that's not what
Speaker 1: we do here. I've consciously avoided doing We've never.
Speaker 3: Not once talked about politics, and this is and my
Speaker 3: opinion is not really about politics. I'm not a Republican
Speaker 3: or Democrat. I'm just looking at the things he says
Speaker 3: he's going to do and the likelihood that he will
Speaker 3: do it, and how that's going to be some pretty
Speaker 3: bad outcomes for the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, time will tell, and I just hope
Speaker 1: there's I hope there's not a civil war. I hope there's.
Speaker 3: I think it's less likely if he wins, because the
Speaker 3: people who would lose are a likely to accept the result,
Speaker 3: and because they believe in democracy and be aren't the
Speaker 3: armed crazy people or have less of them.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, all right, So if you don't know everyone,
Speaker 1: we've got a page for the podcast, which is brilliantly
Speaker 1: named the You Project Podcast Facebook page. Tiff and I
Speaker 1: worked on that tielessly. We had a team of branding
Speaker 1: and marketing people. We paid thousands. It took about three weeks,
Speaker 1: but we finally came up with a you Project podcast
Speaker 1: as the name of the page.
Speaker 3: So I want to know about I'm going to interrupt
Speaker 3: you here because it brings to mind a story back
Speaker 3: in the tech days when I was in the tech
Speaker 3: industry and I was heavily involved in a partnership with
Speaker 3: Intel with a startup that I did in the United States,
Speaker 3: and we were working with them closely on our chip
Speaker 3: that they were about to bring out, which ultimately was
Speaker 3: released as the fifth version of the Pentium chip that
Speaker 3: they released, And they had a huge marketing team with
Speaker 3: a massive marketing budget aimed at trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what to call this thing. And then after about or
Speaker 3: six weeks of deliberations and user surveys and focused teams
Speaker 3: and all that sort of crap, they came up with
Speaker 3: Pentium five, which was the successor to Penum four. Wow,
Speaker 3: that was worth the money?
Speaker 1: Did wow? Did you? You would have recoiled with bloody
Speaker 1: amazement and admiration for the time.
Speaker 3: We were all in shock. We were in shock. We
Speaker 3: would never have predicted that that would be where they
Speaker 3: would have gone, because they'd gone from Pendium three to
Speaker 3: Pentium four, So it was you know, they could have
Speaker 3: gone anywhere with the who.
Speaker 1: Would have seen that? Yeah, that's probably one of the
Speaker 1: great creative master strokes of all time. And and was
Speaker 1: there a subsequent pentem six?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah I think so. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: After much deliberation, now before gillespo bloody rudely interrupted me. Everyone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was saying, we got this page. Anyway, on this
Speaker 1: page you are more than welcome to there's no hooks
Speaker 1: catches genders, but become a member of the just jump
Speaker 1: on and click. I don't know how the fuck you
Speaker 1: do it. Actually I've never done it. You just click
Speaker 1: something ti shaking it. I don't know. Speaking of branding and.
Speaker 4: Marketing, and I'm shit at selling my own stuff, but
Speaker 4: it costs nothing but a bunch of people get in
Speaker 4: there and talk about the podcast and or perhaps who
Speaker 4: they want to have on coming up, or suggestions or
Speaker 4: ideas for topics that we might explore, and also of like.
Speaker 1: A young mister Gillespie is sharing. And I don't like
Speaker 1: complimenting him because you know he doesn't need it, but
Speaker 1: he does write brilliant fucking articles, and so most of
Speaker 1: his articles are going up or the ones that he
Speaker 1: sees fits put up on our page. So not only
Speaker 1: can you listen to him once fortnite, you can read
Speaker 1: his stuff. And so, speaking of that, let's start with
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to you about this one before we
Speaker 1: went live, but the trust apocalypse, Why honesty is our
Speaker 1: only hope and the kind of the hook your preface
Speaker 1: was is trust becoming a luxury we can no longer afford.
Speaker 1: Feeling a little dystopian lately, supermarket of a charging you,
Speaker 1: politicians lying to face kindently being spied on. You're not alone.
Speaker 1: My latest article is about the alarming erosion of trust
Speaker 1: in our society and the serious consequence it brings. And
Speaker 1: there's more but that will kick you off. Open that
Speaker 1: door if you would, gless Boat. Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: It's one of the fundamental things that we've talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about this before. But we're an unlikely APEX
Speaker 3: predator because we really have nothing to recommend ourselves as
Speaker 3: winners of the evolutionary fight. You know, we're sort of
Speaker 3: meet on feet really, you know, no no fangs, no venom,
Speaker 3: no armor, no nothing. So and yet we own this place.
Speaker 3: So what's our evolutionary advantage? It isn't our good looks,
Speaker 3: It isn't how loud our motorbikes are. It's oh maybe
Speaker 3: it's it's it's that we work together well, Withers. We're
Speaker 3: the only species on the planet that can cooperate with
Speaker 3: strangers in that. No other species does this. Now, there's
Speaker 3: other species that work well in family groups, you know, elephants,
Speaker 3: for example, chimpanzees, things like that. They'll work together in
Speaker 3: large family groups of you know, uncle's, nieces, nephews, etc.
Speaker 3: But they don't work with strangers. They don't get together
Speaker 3: with strangers and arrange themselves in large groups of hundreds
Speaker 3: or thousands, or in humans case, minions of strangers who
Speaker 3: are all cooperating towards a goal. Now we're the only
Speaker 3: ones who do that, And people might say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: but what about ants. Well, ants are essentially one organism
Speaker 3: with lots of moving parts. They're not individuals working together
Speaker 3: there and organism. So but with humans, we're separate organisms
Speaker 3: cooperating with each other at really large scale, which means
Speaker 3: that when we're going to take down the wooly mammoth
Speaker 3: or the saber tooth tiger, we've got twenty mates will
Speaker 3: help us and we can cooperate in real time and
Speaker 3: trust that none of them will stab us in the back.
Speaker 3: And that last bit is the important bit. What allows
Speaker 3: us to work well with strangers is that we trust strangers.
Speaker 3: Our number one first go to when we think about
Speaker 3: whether or not we're going to work with someone is
Speaker 3: we default to trust. We assume you are not going
Speaker 3: to double cross us. Now, sometimes we're wrong. If we're
Speaker 3: dealing with the psychopath, we will probably be wrong because
Speaker 3: they will see that we trust them and exploit it
Speaker 3: against us. But for the vast majority of us, the
Speaker 3: other ninety five percent of the community, we trust each
Speaker 3: other on default, and that trust is what allows us
Speaker 3: to work together. It allows you to sit in a
Speaker 3: room with people sitting behind you and have you not
Speaker 3: be anxious about the fact that one of them might
Speaker 3: stab you in the back. It allows you to focus
Speaker 3: your energy on building an outcome that is greater than
Speaker 3: the sum of the parts, because as a community of
Speaker 3: one hundred people working together, you can always do more
Speaker 3: than an individual can do. Just because you don't have
Speaker 3: enough time, even if people went out to get you
Speaker 3: so talking about your page before you've got what three
Speaker 3: and a half thousand people on that page. As a
Speaker 3: community of three and a half thousand people, they can
Speaker 3: work to solve problems and share information because they all
Speaker 3: trust each other and that's what gives it the power.
Speaker 3: They can do much more there than you can do
Speaker 3: on your own. And so the piece is about the
Speaker 3: fact that that's eroding now in modern society, is that
Speaker 3: we're increasingly ending up in a position where it's every
Speaker 3: man for himself, so the community assets draining away. We're
Speaker 3: not able to trust that the community will look after us,
Speaker 3: We're not able to to believe that those in power
Speaker 3: have our best interests in mind. And people often say, well, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the reality. I understand that. That's why you've got
Speaker 3: no one volunteering to do touch shop anymore. It's why
Speaker 3: non volunteers for anything, because it's every man for himself.
Speaker 3: When it's every man for himself, most people lose. And
Speaker 3: a society that operates on every man for himself will
Speaker 3: always lose against a society that doesn't, because the society
Speaker 3: that doesn't has the power of the community working together.
Speaker 3: And the only way to bring that back into a
Speaker 3: society is with honesty. Demand honesty and transparency from those
Speaker 3: in power, punish them when they're not, and you will
Speaker 3: have people behave in the best interests of the community,
Speaker 3: whether they're psychopaths or not, because the only way to
Speaker 3: get ahead is to have the community to support you,
Speaker 3: and the only way to have that happen is be
Speaker 3: honest with them so that they believe you. Older listeners
Speaker 3: in your audience may well remember a time when politicians
Speaker 3: were punished for lying. Where a politician lied to the population,
Speaker 3: no matter how little it was about, no matter what
Speaker 3: it was about, they'd be unlikely to ever win an
Speaker 3: election again, and they'd probably have to leave office as
Speaker 3: soon as it was discovered. Now that doesn't happen. Now
Speaker 3: politicians lie continuously to us and are still in the job.
Speaker 3: And that's because we let them do it. It's not
Speaker 3: like we're falling for it. We know they're lying to us,
Speaker 3: but we let them do it.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I was thinking, we'll come back to the politics,
Speaker 1: but in terms of like trust, and this is a
Speaker 1: funny thing, but it relates. I've thought many times because
Speaker 1: I've been riding motorbikes since I was eighteen on the road, right,
Speaker 1: and you trust when you're on a just to say
Speaker 1: a single lane rode, so one lane each way, Like
Speaker 1: I'm riding one way, a truck or even at is
Speaker 1: the other way. They just need to deviate a little
Speaker 1: bit and I'm dead and they've got a dent, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like you're trusting that everyone
Speaker 1: is going to do what they are meant to do
Speaker 1: legally on the road, because when you're a motorcyclist, of
Speaker 1: course you're very, very vulnerable, and you are relying on
Speaker 1: other people's I guess, not honesty, but other people's intention
Speaker 1: to not hurt you and to abide by the law
Speaker 1: and do what's required. And I even think that sometimes
Speaker 1: because I live on a busy main road and every
Speaker 1: time I want to go get a coffee, I haven't
Speaker 1: got across that busy road. And sometimes when a car's
Speaker 1: going by me, it's like the difference between being fully
Speaker 1: alive and fully dead is about two feet. Yes, you
Speaker 1: know this car go you know if yeah, if that
Speaker 1: one foot It's like there's a car going pass me
Speaker 1: at sixty k's if that car hit me full on,
Speaker 1: I'd probably be dead, if not, you know, next to dead.
Speaker 1: And that's like whizzing by me, like all they've got
Speaker 1: to do is not concentrate or worse still, be a
Speaker 1: fucking psychopath, you know. And I'm dead, you know, but
Speaker 1: you just I stand on the side of the road
Speaker 1: and I literally I'm inches from where they're whizzing by.
Speaker 1: Its sixty k's thinking that they're going to stay on
Speaker 1: the trajectory they are when I get to the edge
Speaker 1: of the road.
Speaker 3: And I mean, there's lots of mechanisms to enforce trust,
Speaker 3: one of them being that they would be punished if
Speaker 3: they did run into you. So policing is an effective
Speaker 3: way of making enforcing people or making them trust and corporate.
Speaker 3: But you can't police everything all the time. And it's
Speaker 3: really trust. Someone famous whose name I can't remember, once
Speaker 3: said trust is like air. When it's there, you don't
Speaker 3: notice it. When it's not, you notice it very very quickly.
Speaker 3: And that's what it's like with trust. So we've had
Speaker 3: a recent example of the air being sucked out of
Speaker 3: our society in the form of the trust being sucked out,
Speaker 3: and I mentioned it in that piece. It's last week
Speaker 3: we had the report into the COVID reaction of the
Speaker 3: response of Australia COVID and what they found was that
Speaker 3: the response of government in failing to properly explain what
Speaker 3: they were doing, failing to have evidence behind what they did,
Speaker 3: and the overreaction in terms of the enforcement of lockdowns
Speaker 3: and so on. It it took a massive impact on
Speaker 3: the trust that society has in public health authorities and
Speaker 3: and and it's translating through into other public health initiatives now.
Speaker 3: Now people are less likely to become vaccinated, are less
Speaker 3: likely to comply with public health directives because they don't
Speaker 3: trust the authorities because whilst they complied at the time
Speaker 3: because they didn't have a choice, what's happening now is
Speaker 3: the blowback from that. And yes, that's what That's the
Speaker 3: thing about trust. When you suck it out, which is
Speaker 3: what happened there, when you burn that credit, when you
Speaker 3: when you erode the trust when you need it, it
Speaker 3: won't be there. People won't trust you, and they won't
Speaker 3: do what you want, what you need them to do.
Speaker 3: And that's happening. That's one example, but it's happening across
Speaker 3: all of our institutions in society. Is that more and
Speaker 3: more we are becoming aware that we're being lied to
Speaker 3: and the result is we don't trust those in authority,
Speaker 3: which means we won't do what they want us to
Speaker 3: do because we're thinking about every man for himself, and
Speaker 3: whilst that might be an immediate thing that protects us,
Speaker 3: it's a bad thing for our society.
Speaker 1: M Yeah. It was such an interesting time. It was
Speaker 1: such like a weird intersection of of like biological and
Speaker 1: sociological and commercial and medical kind of interest. And I
Speaker 1: remember Brett Sutton or whatever his name is, standing up
Speaker 1: or he's the see just the Victorian once if or
Speaker 1: that I think he's the spect Yeah, yeah, and like
Speaker 1: emphatically going well, you know once you I think it
Speaker 1: was him that said, or it might have been a
Speaker 1: lady I forget, but basically, you know, once you're vaccinated,
Speaker 1: that's it. You can't you can't get COVID or you
Speaker 1: can't infect anyone else. It's like, well neither of those
Speaker 1: things were true, and and we unequivocally know that you
Speaker 1: know this, this works, and it's like, well, no, lots
Speaker 1: of people got vaccinated and then fucking had COVID, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think there was quite a bit of evidence
Speaker 1: to say that once you've had COVID, that's a much
Speaker 1: better a vaccine in inverted commas than the vaccine itself.
Speaker 1: You know, like your immunity is much greater post COVID
Speaker 1: than post vaccination, but nobody wanted to talk about and yeah.
Speaker 3: It's the trouble with that is And I think I
Speaker 3: heard someone say it at the time. I can't remember
Speaker 3: who it was. I'd love to give them the credit
Speaker 3: for it, but some expert got on the radio or
Speaker 3: something and said, one of the risks we take with
Speaker 3: this in overstating the efficacy of these vaccines because they
Speaker 3: knew they were doing that, just as they know they're
Speaker 3: doing it with the flu vaccine, right, I mean, the
Speaker 3: highest point that the flu vaccines ever reached in terms
Speaker 3: of efficacy is something under fifty percent, which makes it
Speaker 3: basically means it's a matter of chance, and that's the
Speaker 3: highest point. So you know, they knew they were doing
Speaker 3: that with the COVID vaccines as well, but they felt
Speaker 3: that the public health outcomes were more important. Is that
Speaker 3: the risk that they're running by doing that is that
Speaker 3: they make people believe that applies to all vaccines, and
Speaker 3: it doesn't. So there are vaccines with extremely high efficacy,
Speaker 3: but if you lie to people about a vaccine people
Speaker 3: translate that across to every vaccine, and that's a very
Speaker 3: bad thing for society because then you have people not
Speaker 3: trusting something that they should trust.
Speaker 1: What do you think would have happened if the you know,
Speaker 1: the leading medical people that were shoved in front of
Speaker 1: microphones at that time had have said, look, we don't know,
Speaker 1: we don't which is good, true, we don't actually know,
Speaker 1: like we think this, we believe this, but we don't
Speaker 1: unequivocally know because this is new.
Speaker 3: The good thing is that there's actually a lived example
Speaker 3: of a country that did exactly that, and that's Sweden.
Speaker 3: So unlike every other country in Northern Europe, Sweden went
Speaker 3: down a path of not doing lockdowns and not doing
Speaker 3: vaccine mandates and all of that sort of thing, and
Speaker 3: it essentially, you know, when it all boiled down at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, years later, it worked out
Speaker 3: that they had the same outcomes as everybody else. So
Speaker 3: they didn't go through all the economic pain of lockdowns
Speaker 3: and so on, and they didn't go through all of
Speaker 3: those mandates and they arrived in the same place. So
Speaker 3: it's great to look at these things with twenty twenty hindsight.
Speaker 3: It's different when you're in the heat of the World
Speaker 3: Health Organization running around saying it's a deadly pandemic, et cetera, etc.
Speaker 3: But one of the things that came out of that
Speaker 3: review was in making pronouncements as if they had evidence
Speaker 3: when they knew they didn't. People had a sense of
Speaker 3: that and went along with it because of fear and
Speaker 3: enforcement and so on or whatever it was. But they
Speaker 3: still had an abiding sense that they were being lied to.
Speaker 3: And we have as humans a good sense of when
Speaker 3: we're being lied to, even if we do nothing about it.
Speaker 3: We know when we're being lied to by a politician
Speaker 3: or a leader, or a business or whatever, and which
Speaker 3: is why it's so important. I mean, one of the
Speaker 3: things I looked at in that article was the recent
Speaker 3: thing with Woolworth's where they said, the reason our profits
Speaker 3: have dropped is because customers no longer trust us. They
Speaker 3: understand the importance of that. They understand how important it
Speaker 3: is so much that they actively measure it. They have
Speaker 3: internal metrics that tell them whether they are trusted, and
Speaker 3: it's vitally important to them because it's vitally important to
Speaker 3: their bottom line. They need us to trust them. And
Speaker 3: so the interesting thing is that okay. When it comes
Speaker 3: down to dollars and cents, people can be really nakedly
Speaker 3: obvious about this and say, we've got to have trust,
Speaker 3: as it's as an important a commodity in our business
Speaker 3: as anything else. We've got to measure it, we've got
Speaker 3: to make sure it's okay. And yet we have other
Speaker 3: areas of our our society where it's freely being burned
Speaker 3: and no one is either measuring it or caring about it.
Speaker 3: But the consequences are starting to be felt where if
Speaker 3: most people, if you ask them about their political opinion
Speaker 3: about something, would say, I don't trust any of them.
Speaker 3: I don't like any of them, I don't trust any
Speaker 3: of them. I wish I had someone else to vote for.
Speaker 3: And that is a symptom of what's going on, And
Speaker 3: then the end result of that is what's going on
Speaker 3: in the US at the moment, which is it's about
Speaker 3: I hate them both. But this guy at least seems
Speaker 3: to think that he can solve the problem and is
Speaker 3: not promising more of the same. Yes, yes, and I
Speaker 3: don't trust him anymore than trust the other guy, but
Speaker 3: at least he's saying the right things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost it's down to if you're going to
Speaker 1: vote which over there? Of course it's optional. It's like
Speaker 1: who do you hate the least? Or yeah, who are
Speaker 1: you the least skeptical of all?
Speaker 3: Look, we're a trending to that here too.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let's do one more topic before Tiff heads
Speaker 1: off to get her new bloody pipe put on a motorbike.
Speaker 1: If I hear a loud noise outside my house tonight,
Speaker 1: echoing up and down Hampton Street at eleven pm.
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about driving that way home, just
Speaker 2: a little rev.
Speaker 3: Little yeah, no, don't but a but it'd be at three,
Speaker 3: wouldn't it three in the morning, wouldn't be eleven?
Speaker 2: I'm not up at three, silly eleven.
Speaker 1: So you wrote, you wrote an article called Plunging into Recovery?
Speaker 1: Can ice barres rewire the addicted brain before you? Before
Speaker 1: you open that door wide? Have you ever had an
Speaker 1: ice bath?
Speaker 3: Or I haven't, not intentionally, Not intentionally. I have occasionally
Speaker 3: jumped into water that was a lot colder than I
Speaker 3: thought it was. But one of the times I was
Speaker 3: in Germany, and you know the Germans I was staying
Speaker 3: with We're all leaping into this alpine lake you know,
Speaker 3: as if it was like a summer day at the beach.
Speaker 3: And so I joined them and I swear that was
Speaker 3: just above freezing, that thing was, but they got like
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: Alpine and lake. Yes, alpine and lake. I should have thought.
Speaker 3: I have done unintentional ice bath like experiences.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we'll call that ice bass bath ish. All right,
Speaker 1: plugging into Recovery can And by the way, both of
Speaker 1: these articles in the group. If you want to read
Speaker 1: the actual full articles, you project podcast facebook page, tell
Speaker 1: us about tell us about this one mate.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this came up because I was doing a
Speaker 3: talk to a group that are about helping people through addictions,
Speaker 3: so a rehabit type group who were quite interesting in
Speaker 3: some of the things I've written, particularly in Brain Reset,
Speaker 3: about how do you break addictions? And one of the
Speaker 3: groups said, what do you think about ice baths? And honestly,
Speaker 3: I never even thought of it as a way of
Speaker 3: breaking an addiction, which is kind of ignorant of me.
Speaker 3: So I immediately went away and started doing some fairly
Speaker 3: detailed research into it and came to the conclusion that, look,
Speaker 3: there is a strong chance that the shock produced by
Speaker 3: an ice bath, because when you do that. It's a
Speaker 3: terrifying experience for your body. There's a significant shock experience
Speaker 3: associated with plunging yourself into an ice bath, and that
Speaker 3: shock experience produces a significant hit of dopamine. And some
Speaker 3: of the studies have said, look, we're talking two three
Speaker 3: times as much dopamine in a single hit as you
Speaker 3: would get from cocaine. This is a big hit of
Speaker 3: dopamine and naturally produced by the body. Quite a lot
Speaker 3: of studies have now looked at you know, there's lots
Speaker 3: of purported benefits of ice baths, so I even go
Speaker 3: into all of that, but I did look at this
Speaker 3: dopamine aspect because one of the best ways to naturally
Speaker 3: break an addiction is to substitute. When you get the
Speaker 3: craving for whatever it is you're addicted to substitute. Instead
Speaker 3: of doing that, do something that produces a natural dopamine hit.
Speaker 3: Now we've talked about this before. That could be doing,
Speaker 3: you know, running a marathon. It could be having a
Speaker 3: hobby that thoroughly engrosses you could be playing a musical
Speaker 3: instrument as long as you can play it well. It's
Speaker 3: something that requires extreme focus and produces dopamine. Well, this
Speaker 3: might be a shortcut to that. In what you might
Speaker 3: be able to do is just go take a cold shower, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, cold showers, while not producing as big
Speaker 3: a hit as an actual ice bath, does produce a
Speaker 3: dopamine hit too, And so an interesting piece of advice
Speaker 3: might well be, when you feel the cravings, go take
Speaker 3: a cold shower. And there's some good science behind this. Now,
Speaker 3: there's some really good science that suggests that this might
Speaker 3: be a reasonable path to take when you're trying to
Speaker 3: rehab people.
Speaker 1: Or t if the other one would be get an
Speaker 1: aftermarket exhaust on your motorbike. The credit.
Speaker 2: Ten out of ten can recommend or.
Speaker 3: And that's not as silly as it sounds. Just look
Speaker 3: at the way Tips reacting to this thing, and she's
Speaker 3: desperately excited to do it, and when it's on it,
Speaker 3: when she hits that thing and it makes it the really,
Speaker 3: really loud noise, it is going to be like having
Speaker 3: a hit of cocaine to her. And so, yeah, find
Speaker 3: that thing that does that for you. But if you're
Speaker 3: not sure what that is, if you're not like Tiff
Speaker 3: and you're not excited by loud motorbikes, a cold shower
Speaker 3: might do it.
Speaker 1: Wow, t if you could write a book called Motorbikes,
Speaker 1: Puppies and Punching People and other addictions or other addiction
Speaker 1: treatment and other dopamine producers by TIF, you just.
Speaker 3: Call it them, just call it the motorbike Cure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what is funny? I know we're
Speaker 1: going to wind up. But what's funny is I've had
Speaker 1: bike since I was a kid, and I'll probably I've
Speaker 1: taken over the years a lot of people on the back,
Speaker 1: and depending on how they feel about going on the back,
Speaker 1: they're either producing a shitload of dopamine or a shitload
Speaker 1: of cortisol.
Speaker 3: But same thing, no, no, same thing terror being terrified,
Speaker 3: being terrified, which is kind of what the ice bath
Speaker 3: is doing to you. Being terrified produces a significant dopamine hit.
Speaker 3: So if you want to scare yourself, then you can
Speaker 3: do it with an ice bath. Or if you're not
Speaker 3: into bikes, you know, I guess you could ride pinion
Speaker 3: with Tiff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, definitely don't do that or watch Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you delivered again, mate, And next time we chat
Speaker 1: there'll be there will be a new boss in the
Speaker 1: White House. And yes, I so if you had to
Speaker 1: make a prediction you at where we are right now
Speaker 1: on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Speaker 3: At where we are right now. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I'm notoriously bad at predicting things like this, but at
Speaker 3: where we are right now, it feels like it's a
Speaker 3: Trump win.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: That's well, we'll wait with breath. Tift, you want to
Speaker 1: say something. You look like you're sticking your finger up.
Speaker 2: Can we acknowledge Caspo's strapping new profile?
Speaker 3: Is that incredible?
Speaker 2: Are you going to pop that on your website? Because
Speaker 2: the first thing I did with freeschool dot org that
Speaker 2: are you and you have.
Speaker 1: An updated it?
Speaker 3: I will have to do that. Yeah, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: a this AI thing is incredible. You give it, you
Speaker 3: give it like ten real photos of yourself and obviously
Speaker 3: I gave it younger ones of me, and and it
Speaker 3: produces like a hundred version. You can tell it how
Speaker 3: you want to be dressed whatever, and off you go.
Speaker 1: Which which program is that or which.
Speaker 3: App is that? Stuff? To find know, I'd have to
Speaker 3: send it to you, all right.
Speaker 1: Send it to you, all right, We'll say goodbye. Heare
Speaker 1: but as always brilliant, Thank you mate, We appreciate you.
Speaker 3: No worries, see you lady guys,