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Speaker 1: What precipitated you spending all of that money to literally

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Speaker 1: I'm all very street legal giles both. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: Then you get to fend a grand and put an

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Speaker 1: Well that's a cheap that's a cheap one too, That's

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Speaker 1: the actual full articles, you project podcast facebook page, tell

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Speaker 1: us about tell us about this one mate.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this came up because I was doing a

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Speaker 3: talk to a group that are about helping people through addiction,

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Speaker 3: so a rehabit type group who were quite interested in

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Speaker 3: some of the things I've written, particularly in Brain Reset,

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Speaker 3: about how do you break addictions? And one of the

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Speaker 3: groups said, what do you think about ice baths? And honestly,

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Speaker 3: I never even thought of it as a way of

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Speaker 3: breaking an addiction, which is kind of ignorant of me.

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Speaker 3: So I immediately went away and started doing some fairly detailed

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Speaker 3: research into it and came to the conclusion that, look,

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Speaker 3: there is a strong chance that the shock produced by

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Speaker 3: an ice bath, because when you do that, it's a

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Speaker 3: terrifying experience for your body. There's a significant shock experience

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Speaker 3: associated with plunging yourself into an ice bath, and that

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Speaker 3: shock experience produces a significant hit of dopamine. And some

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Speaker 3: of the studies have said, look, we're talking two three

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Speaker 3: times as much dopamine in a single hit as you

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Speaker 3: would get from cocaine. This is a big hit of

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Speaker 3: dopamine and naturally produced by the body. Quite a lot

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Speaker 3: of studies have now looked at you know, there's lots

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Speaker 3: of purported benefits of ice baths. I even go into

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Speaker 3: all of that, but I did look at this dopamine

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Speaker 3: aspect because one of the best ways to naturally break

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Speaker 3: an addiction is to substitute. When you get the craving

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Speaker 3: for whatever it is you're addicted to substitute. Instead of

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Speaker 3: doing that, do something that produces a natural dopam mean hit.

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Speaker 3: Now we've talked about this before. That could be doing,

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Speaker 3: you know, running a marathon. It could be having a

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Speaker 3: hobby that thoroughly engrosses you could be playing a musical

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Speaker 3: instrument as long as you can play it well, it's

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Speaker 3: something that requires extreme focus and produces dopamine. Well, this

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Speaker 3: might be a shortcut to that. In what you might

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Speaker 3: be able to do is just go take a cold shower, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, cold showers, while not producing as big

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Speaker 3: a hit as an actual ice bath, does produce a

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Speaker 3: dopamine hit too, And so an interesting piece of advice

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Speaker 3: might well be, when you feel the cravings, go take

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Speaker 3: a cold shower. And there's some good science behind this. Now,

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Speaker 3: there's some really good science that suggests that this might

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Speaker 3: be a reasonable path to take when you're trying to

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Speaker 3: rehab people.

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Speaker 1: Or if the other one would be get an aftermarket

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Speaker 1: exhaust on your motorbike. Yeah, that's per.

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Speaker 2: Ten out of ten can recommend.

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Speaker 3: And that's not as silly as it sounds. Just look

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Speaker 3: at the way Tips reacting to this thing, and she's

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Speaker 3: desperately excited to do it, and when it's on it,

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Speaker 3: when she hits that thing and it makes it the

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Speaker 3: really really loud noise, it is going to be like

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Speaker 3: having a hit of cocaine to her. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 3: find that thing that does that for you. But if

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Speaker 3: you're not sure what that is, if you're not like

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Speaker 3: Tiff and you're not excited by loud motorbikes, a cold

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Speaker 3: shower might do it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, if you could write a book called Motorbikes, Puppies

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Speaker 1: and Punching People and other addictions or other addiction treatment

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Speaker 1: and other dopamine producers by tip.

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Speaker 3: You just call it them, just call it the motorbike Cure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what is funny? I know we've got

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Speaker 1: to wind up. But what's funny is I've had a

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Speaker 1: bike since I was a kid, and I'll probably I've

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Speaker 1: taken over the years a lot of people on the back,

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Speaker 1: and depending on how they feel about going on the back,

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Speaker 1: they're either producing a shitload of dopamine or a shitload

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Speaker 1: of cortisol.

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Speaker 3: But same thing, no, no, same thing terror, being terrified,

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Speaker 3: being terrified, which is kind of what the ice bath

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Speaker 3: is doing to you. Being terrified produces a significant dopamine hit.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to scare yourself, then you can

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Speaker 3: do it with an ice bath. Or if you're not

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Speaker 3: into bikes, you know, I guess you could ride pinion

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Speaker 3: with Tiff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, definitely don't do that or watch Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you delivered again, mate, And next time we chat,

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Speaker 1: there'll be ah, there will be a new boss in

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Speaker 1: the White House. And yes, I so if you had

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Speaker 1: to make a prediction you at where we are right

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Speaker 1: now on Tuesday or Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: At where we are right now. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm notoriously bad at predicting things like this, but at

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Speaker 3: where we are right now, it feels like it's a

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Speaker 3: Trump win.

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Speaker 1: Wow. That's well, we'll wait with breath. Tift, you want

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Speaker 1: to say something. You look like you're sticking your finger up.

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Speaker 2: Can we acknowledge Gilespo's strapping new profile photos?

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Speaker 3: Is that incredible?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to cup that on your website? Because

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Speaker 2: the first thing I did with freeschool dot org dot

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Speaker 2: are you and.

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Speaker 3: Have an updated it? I will have to do that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a this AI thing is incredible. You give it,

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Speaker 3: You give it like ten real photos of yourself and

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Speaker 3: obviously I gave it younger ones of me, and and

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Speaker 3: it produces like a hundred version. You can tell it

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Speaker 3: how you want to be dressed, whatever, and off you go.

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Speaker 1: Which program is that or which app is that?

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Speaker 3: Stuff? To find know, I'd have to send it to you,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: Send it to you? All right, We'll say goodbye. Heare

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Speaker 1: but as always brilliant, Thank you mate, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: No worries. See you lady guys,