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Speaker 1: It's Schilespo. It's Cook, who's very excited because one of

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Speaker 1: Melbourne's most excited Bogans has just brought herself what's called

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Speaker 1: a new exhaust system for her motorbike because she thinks

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Speaker 1: and now the cops are we chasing her with her

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, thanks Harps, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: What precipitated you spending all of that money to literally

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't do anything illegal in the bike, so

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Speaker 2: that doesn't bother me. But once you recognize that you

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Speaker 2: feel like you're scooting around the street on a sewing machine.

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Speaker 2: That awareness never fades and it was going to bother

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Speaker 1: Well, that's only because you've got a friend. And I

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Speaker 1: say friend, then inverted commas everyone and wink, whink, nudge nudge.

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Speaker 1: Special friend who rides a what's he ride in India

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Speaker 1: and rides and he's got a loud exhaust. Has he

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Speaker 1: so you had exhaust envy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's got a louder exhaust to me, And don't

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Speaker 1: I've got no idea. What was that ride?

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Speaker 2: Once? And I heard you start your bike?

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Speaker 1: I'm all very street legal, glespo. Have you ever ridden

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Speaker 3: Desire whatsoever to ride a motorbike. And I thought the

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Speaker 1: Well that until until the seventies, that was the that

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Speaker 3: And then you get to fend a grand and put

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Speaker 3: an attachment on Insteadae, Well.

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Speaker 1: That's a cheap that's a cheap one too, That's all right.

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Speaker 1: Tree whatever that is. I feel like I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: But is gum Tree dodgy or is that legitive?

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Speaker 2: Now it's legit. It's just a secondhand platform. This is

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Speaker 1: Of course, there are David James Kevin Patrick allSPI. It's

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Speaker 1: towards the finish line of the American election. Any thoughts,

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Speaker 1: any predictions? Do you give a shit? Do you pay attention?

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Speaker 1: You are a lawyer, I would think that you do

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I have a lot of interest in it.

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Speaker 3: I think America is about to make a very very

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Speaker 3: I think that's very very bad for America and then

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Speaker 1: Well, we could do a whole episode on that. Just

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Speaker 3: a hard question when you're talking about politicians. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think it's less likely if he wins, because the

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, all right, So if you don't know everyone,

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Speaker 1: we've got a page for the podcast, which is brilliantly

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Speaker 1: named the You Project Podcast Facebook page. Tiff and I

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Speaker 1: A young mister Gillespie is sharing. And I don't like

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Speaker 1: I didn't talk to you about this one before we

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Speaker 1: only hope and the kind of the hook your preface

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Speaker 1: Feeling a little dystopian lately, supermarket of a charging you,

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Speaker 3: It's one of the fundamental things that we've talked a

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Speaker 1: the actual full articles, you project podcast facebook page, tell

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Speaker 1: us about tell us about this one mate.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this came up because I was doing a

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Speaker 3: talk to a group that are about helping people through addictions,

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Speaker 3: so a rehabit type group who were quite interesting in

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Speaker 3: some of the things I've written, particularly in Brain Reset,

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Speaker 3: about how do you break addictions? And one of the

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Speaker 3: groups said, what do you think about ice baths? And honestly,

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Speaker 3: I never even thought of it as a way of

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Speaker 3: breaking an addiction, which is kind of ignorant of me.

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Speaker 3: So I immediately went away and started doing some fairly

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Speaker 3: detailed research into it and came to the conclusion that, look,

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Speaker 3: there is a strong chance that the shock produced by

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Speaker 3: an ice bath, because when you do that. It's a

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Speaker 3: terrifying experience for your body. There's a significant shock experience

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Speaker 3: associated with plunging yourself into an ice bath, and that

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Speaker 3: shock experience produces a significant hit of dopamine. And some

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Speaker 3: of the studies have said, look, we're talking two three

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Speaker 3: times as much dopamine in a single hit as you

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Speaker 3: would get from cocaine. This is a big hit of

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Speaker 3: dopamine and naturally produced by the body. Quite a lot

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Speaker 3: of studies have now looked at you know, there's lots

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Speaker 3: of purported benefits of ice baths, so I even go

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Speaker 3: into all of that, but I did look at this

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Speaker 3: dopamine aspect because one of the best ways to naturally

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Speaker 3: break an addiction is to substitute. When you get the

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Speaker 3: craving for whatever it is you're addicted to substitute. Instead

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Speaker 3: of doing that, do something that produces a natural dopamine hit.

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Speaker 3: Now we've talked about this before. That could be doing,

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Speaker 3: you know, running a marathon. It could be having a

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Speaker 3: hobby that thoroughly engrosses you could be playing a musical

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Speaker 3: instrument as long as you can play it well. It's

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Speaker 3: something that requires extreme focus and produces dopamine. Well, this

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Speaker 3: might be a shortcut to that. In what you might

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Speaker 3: be able to do is just go take a cold shower, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, cold showers, while not producing as big

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Speaker 3: a hit as an actual ice bath, does produce a

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Speaker 3: dopamine hit too, And so an interesting piece of advice

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Speaker 3: might well be, when you feel the cravings, go take

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Speaker 3: a cold shower. And there's some good science behind this. Now,

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Speaker 3: there's some really good science that suggests that this might

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Speaker 3: be a reasonable path to take when you're trying to

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Speaker 3: rehab people.

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Speaker 1: Or t if the other one would be get an

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Speaker 1: aftermarket exhaust on your motorbike. The credit.

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Speaker 2: Ten out of ten can recommend or.

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Speaker 3: And that's not as silly as it sounds. Just look

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Speaker 3: at the way Tips reacting to this thing, and she's

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Speaker 3: desperately excited to do it, and when it's on it,

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Speaker 3: when she hits that thing and it makes it the really,

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Speaker 3: really loud noise, it is going to be like having

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Speaker 3: a hit of cocaine to her. And so, yeah, find

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Speaker 3: that thing that does that for you. But if you're

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Speaker 3: not sure what that is, if you're not like Tiff

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Speaker 3: and you're not excited by loud motorbikes, a cold shower

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Speaker 3: might do it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, t if you could write a book called Motorbikes,

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Speaker 1: Puppies and Punching People and other addictions or other addiction

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Speaker 1: treatment and other dopamine producers by TIF, you just.

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Speaker 3: Call it them, just call it the motorbike Cure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what is funny? I know we're

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Speaker 1: going to wind up. But what's funny is I've had

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Speaker 1: bike since I was a kid, and I'll probably I've

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Speaker 1: taken over the years a lot of people on the back,

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Speaker 1: and depending on how they feel about going on the back,

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Speaker 1: they're either producing a shitload of dopamine or a shitload

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Speaker 1: of cortisol.

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Speaker 3: But same thing, no, no, same thing terror being terrified,

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Speaker 3: being terrified, which is kind of what the ice bath

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Speaker 3: is doing to you. Being terrified produces a significant dopamine hit.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to scare yourself, then you can

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Speaker 3: do it with an ice bath. Or if you're not

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Speaker 3: into bikes, you know, I guess you could ride pinion

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Speaker 3: with Tiff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, definitely don't do that or watch Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you delivered again, mate, And next time we chat

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Speaker 1: there'll be there will be a new boss in the

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Speaker 1: White House. And yes, I so if you had to

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Speaker 1: make a prediction you at where we are right now

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday or Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: At where we are right now. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm notoriously bad at predicting things like this, but at

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Speaker 3: where we are right now, it feels like it's a

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Speaker 3: Trump win.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's well, we'll wait with breath. Tift, you want to

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Speaker 1: say something. You look like you're sticking your finger up.

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Speaker 2: Can we acknowledge Caspo's strapping new profile?

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Speaker 3: Is that incredible?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to pop that on your website? Because

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Speaker 2: the first thing I did with freeschool dot org that

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Speaker 2: are you and you have.

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Speaker 1: An updated it?

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Speaker 3: I will have to do that. Yeah, yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: a this AI thing is incredible. You give it, you

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Speaker 3: give it like ten real photos of yourself and obviously

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Speaker 3: I gave it younger ones of me, and and it

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Speaker 3: produces like a hundred version. You can tell it how

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Speaker 3: you want to be dressed whatever, and off you go.

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Speaker 1: Which which program is that or which.

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Speaker 3: App is that? Stuff? To find know, I'd have to

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Speaker 3: send it to you, all right.

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Speaker 1: Send it to you, all right, We'll say goodbye. Heare

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Speaker 1: but as always brilliant, Thank you mate, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: No worries, see you lady guys,