WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 28 May 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:07.280 On Scylds Austrodia. This is the Wider Paney Show. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.840 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panehy Show coming 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.440 up tonight. The Great Douglas Murray has some important words 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.320 of advice for the Liberal Party if they ever want 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.480 to win another election. You don't want to miss that. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.840 The Santos Boss likens the Victorian government to North Korea. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.120 The panel will weigh in on the day's top stories 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.840 shortly and later in the hour. Josh Hammer has the 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.440 latest one. The US and Left is losing. It is 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:41.360 an extravaganza of broken wokies, including Joy Behar, who'd rather 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.080 die than be saved by a Trump supporter. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.080 I wouldn't even let them get me a heimlich maneuvre. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.320 That's how the little I would I feel about people. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.320 But first, the coalition is once more after the Liberals 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.040 and the Nationals agreed to reinstate the power sharing agreement 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.360 earlier today. The deal was renegotiated after a snap National 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.920 Party Room meeting was called this morning to discuss Liberal 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.920 leadersies and Lee's response to the NATS four non negotiable 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:15.399 policy demands regarding nuclear energy Supermarket Divesta, the twenty billion dollar, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.959 Regional Future Fund and regional mobile phone coverage. Joining me 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.399 now for more on this is the panel. Sky News 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:27.160 contributors Proo McSween and Tina McQueen. Pro I'll start with you. Well, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.040 that was a bit of fun, wasn't it. It was 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.800 supposed to the last three years, we were told just 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.120 last week, but this divorce was short lived and they're 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:36.720 back together. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.399 Well, reader, it was an exercise in futility egos. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.360 You know, we had little Proud who. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.360 Was all puffed up after beating Canavan and of course 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.400 the performance of the Nationals in the election, and he 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.360 decided he was going to you know who, I'll show 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.000 him whose boss. Well that backfire, didn't it so, and 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.920 I'm sure it was egged on by many of the 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.360 Nationals like Bridget you know, she was seen to be 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.920 behind it as well. So I think that you know, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.520 we've seen that it was a hold. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.280 It was going nowhere. It was going to be a 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:14.519 situation where. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:19.399 The well just had to Well, it seems like they 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.840 had these four non negotiables team up, but really the 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.239 key issue seems to be net zero and the Nats 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.799 still haven't had a review on that policy. I don't 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.919 know what they're waiting for. Surely they know where they 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.560 stand on that crucial issue. But I also want to 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.080 ask you about another development we're seeing. It appears that 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:43.360 Susan Lee's new shadow cabinet is not exactly empowering conservative women, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.600 will be all but a raising conservative women. The fur 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:53.000 shadow Minister for Women isn't a huge fan of conservative women, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.200 it seems. Where is just enterprise? Where is Sarah Henderson? 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:57.760 Yeah? 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.639 Look sadly this will be a factional stitch up. Who 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.960 gets what with the shadows reata? And as for the 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.919 coalition at the moment, I think that I think that's 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.200 an ongoing saga. I don't think we've seen the end 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.520 of it yet. I think they've certainly united, but I 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.239 think there'll be question marks over a little proud's leadership 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.320 and how he handled it. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.799 So I don't think the saga's entirely over yet. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.440 And it's disgraceful if Susan Lee does not does not 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.880 put in a you know, some outstanding conservative women, it'll 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.839 be incredibly disappointing. But as I said before, this will 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.480 be a factional hander. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.560 Well. They're often the most effective performers, they're the most 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.120 popular so if they're sideline, you've really got to wonder 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.680 what the strategy is there. Meanwhile, we've got Senator Jackie Lamby. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.640 She's scraped in and will remain in the Senate, narrowly 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.080 beating Lee Hanson, the daughter of One Nation leader Pauline Hansen. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:00.200 This is for the race for Tasmania's sixth Senate seed. Yeah, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.480 we're going to look forward to more of this. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.720 So when it comes to the tech billionaire, like I've 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.760 already said, I think he's a social media not with 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.560 no social conscience. He has absolutely no social conscience. Someone 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.080 or that should be in jail and the kibo thrown away. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.080 That Blake should not be having right to be out 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:21.080 there on his own ideology platform and creating hatred. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.440 Tina, that's just the good senator calling for the world's 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.039 richest man, Elon Musk, to be jailed for providing a 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.320 free speech platform. Ma'am, I mean the race went down 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.920 to the whyed, Tina. I thought Jackie was supposed to 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.599 be wildly popular in Tasmania. Obviously not. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.440 No, Look, her vote has dropped considerably and it's a 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.320 bit of a shame that Lee Hanson didn't get in. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.280 I think she would have made a great contribution, and 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.080 I hope she sticks around because she came so very close. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.000 But yes, we've still got to listen to Jackie Lamby's 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.400 wise words for another six years. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:01.560 Unfortunately, Well, I tell you provides a lot of content 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.960 for this program. Some of her die tribes are legendary. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.560 Now let's go to Victoria and the Treasury here. Jaselyn 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.919 Symes has been labeled tone deaf after she asked a 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.520 room full of the state's biggest residential, industrial and commercial 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:25.680 property developers what their favorite property taxes. She posts the 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:30.200 question at the post budget Property Council of Australia breakfast 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:36.760 on Tuesday, asking that room what is your favorite tax 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.080 prow I'm lost for words. I mean, really, this is 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:46.039 in a state where property taxes are absolutely crippling so many, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.800 not just those within the industry, but just mum and 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.240 dad investors who are being forced to sell up, and 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.800 she's asking people, Oh, what's your favorite one? 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.280 I mean, she's totally tone deaf and clueless and delusional 0:05:58.839 --> 0:05:59.440 and has. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:05:59.920 A huge eg. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:05.040 Clearly, I mean to us that room is well just 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.640 the most astounding thing you could ever expect to hear 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.839 from them, But labor I think it's so used to 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.800 taxing now and of course spending, and that's why they 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:15.960 need to tax so much. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.240 They don't have any idea that. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.080 They're killing this industry, not just the property industry, but 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.440 the whole energy industry, which impacts on every other no 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.159 business in the state. So it's just another example of 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.919 an incompetent government and incompetent ministers. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.039 I hope someone responded that there's just so many to 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.240 pick from. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:41.799 Well, that's true. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:47.279 In this state. It really is shocking, Tina, because it 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:51.440 is having such a dramatic effect on every level. We've 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.680 had I think one in four mum and dad investors 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.640 selling their investment property in the last few years because 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.240 they can't cope with a lax let alone all the 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.640 other impositions. So for her to be wondering what the 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:10.160 favorite one is is rather amusing, if not tragic. Let's 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.000 stay in Victoria and the Santo CEO Kevin Gallagher has 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.760 compared the state to North Korea and warned that the 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.320 Victoria's approach to energy policy is indicative of why major 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.520 projects are going offshore. He was speaking at an oil 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.920 conference in Brisbane and Gallagher said, if I think about Queensland, 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:36.080 South Australia, Western Australia, these are very supportive, very development 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:44.760 friendly jurisdictions. Victoria, North Korea their states different altogether. Wow, 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.320 prove that is an indictment. But you can understand why 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:55.080 there is mounting frustration within the resources sector over the 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.680 Allen government's hard left stance on fossil fuels. 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:05.760 It's a reality that business like particularly Santos, has been waiting, 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:06.520 not just. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.600 In Victoria, but what the Narrowbraw. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.960 Project has been waiting several years in New South Wales. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.400 She's banned a new gas in businesses and residences from 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.840 twenty fourteen. I think it was And so why is 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.720 anybody really surprised that this is happening and that business 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.680 is withdrawing. It's great that business is finally coming out 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.800 and caning these governments and calling them to account. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.320 Can I just say, Prue, I've spent a little bit 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.360 of time with Kevin Gallagher. He is a remarkable man, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.760 incredibly brave. Look, he doesn't suffer any of this woke nonsense. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.800 He comes out and says it like it is. Is 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.720 a remarkable man for the industry and I'm pleased as 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.439 yet again has spoken. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:57.400 Out, well, he's right about Victoria because Victoria is the 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.120 most gas dependent state in the country, and yet we've 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.000 got policy settings here that are just mad and not 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:09.400 just frustrating the resources sector, but creating Tina all sorts 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.240 of uncertainty for investors. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:12.600 Yeah. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.040 Look, I'll be very surprised if she is still around 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.240 next election. I think the opposition is starting to make 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.440 a little bit of noise in Victoria and they've really 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:26.720 got to scream loudly on these policies involving gas and resources. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.720 It's crazy. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.880 So hopefully you know the damage she's. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.960 Done to Victoria alongside what the previous premier did. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:40.240 She's surely she'll be gone now. Finally, ladies, this is 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.280 a little left field, but I'm interested in your insights 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.560 into these. A firefighter shocked guest at his own birthday 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:53.599 by revealing that his wife was committing adultery, and the 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.319 speech was blistering and expletive riddled. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:12.160 Yeah everything that's I ain't know, everybody, and hill, I 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:20.760 wasn't I about all the play bills you fill that's right. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:27.240 Near him. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:32.440 Children. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.840 The die tribe went for some time, but fifteen seconds 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.120 each lady is Proue. Is that too much or fair enough? 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.679 No, go for it. Look, he deserved it. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.520 You know, he's rescuing people and she's playing up on him. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.760 You know, get out the fire hose. Give her what 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.080 for one hell of a birthday surprise? 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.400 So now what about you? Are you siding with the 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:56.880 fireman or the wife? 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:57.520 Yeah? 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:57.880 I am. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.320 I think it's a terrific surprise birthday. And I think 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:03.960 if she's going to do the dirty on him, she 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.719 deserves all of that. And I Betty's had that in 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.120 planning for quite some time. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.640 No one's going to right. Where has the sealhood? 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:11.000 God? 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:12.640 Proue? 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.880 McSween, Tina mccoen, thank you so much for your time tonight. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.360 Joining me now is best selling author Douglas Murray. His 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.960 latest book on democracies and death Cults, Israel and the 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.920 Future of Civilization hit the shelves last month. Make sure 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.160 you get a copy. Douglas. Let's start in the US 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.480 with the Democrats, who are a broken party right now. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.760 They're leaderless, they're ruddless, and their solution to that is 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.040 to spend twenty million dollars to research how to win 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.840 back American men. Yes, the Plan Code named sam Or 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.680 speaking with American men. A strategic plan promises to use 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:56.280 the funds too, and I quote study the syntax, language, 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:01.440 and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces. Douglas, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.240 you're a man. What is your advice to the Democrats? 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.800 How can they win back mal voters. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:09.719 One of them? 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.800 I'd start by not talking about the vile virality of 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.199 male spaces. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.559 I think that's immediately going to be off putting. It's 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:21.640 so strange, isn't it. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:21.920 Reading. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.079 I mean tens of millions of dollars, you know, well 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:30.200 done to the consultants who've squeezed that out of Democrat 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.440 donors and others. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.040 It's really I could save them the money. I'll tell 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:36.520 them now. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.000 All you have to do is to show male voters 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.000 in America, as with female voters, simply that you're on 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.240 their side, that you don't hate them, that you don't 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.040 look down on them or regard them as second class citizens. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.000 You don't think they should move aside or stay in 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.240 their lane, or hand over privilege or anything else. You 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.960 just demonstrate that you're on their side and that you 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:09.119 understand their concerns, and if you do understand their concerns. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:16.960 You don't then dismiss their concerns as being always racist, misogynistic, heteronormative, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:18.640 and so on. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:20.920 It's really so easy. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.600 But yeah, twenty million dollars to some people who give 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.000 worse advice than I just gave for free. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.439 You should invoice because I think that's far better than 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.680 studying the syntax and virality of mal space as well. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.280 Now let's go to Disney. There's reports that Disney and 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.320 ABC bosses have urged the ladies of the View to 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.120 just scale back some of their political commentary, perhaps tone 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.280 down their anti Trump diatribes, which can get a little 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.319 bit demented. It's not gone well. Whoopy and co. Cannot 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.400 bring themselves to even admit that there may be a 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.240 problem or two instead, soth Africa, how listen to this, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.600 I mean movies in South Africa. I've been in South Africa. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.160 I sent your science in South Africa, South Africa to 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.280 talk to people that I know who still live there. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.800 There's no white genocide. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.400 Okay, there's not a genocide happening. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.040 Douglas. I would love to see you on the View. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.240 But what's your response there to the ladies? Because Whoops 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.680 made movies in South Africa. So everything's fine. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.440 There, Yes, absolutely, she must have really got a feel 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.920 for the place on the movie set. I'm sure it's 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.200 such a it's such an example actually of what we 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.920 were just discussing about this. Why can't they accept that 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:44.000 the situation for many white South Africans is absolutely dire, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.960 a particular in farming communities. Why can't they accept that 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.920 that might be the case? And it's not a zero 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.440 sum game. I can see what they're doing. This is 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.440 the classic anti Trump movement thing. If Trump says something 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.840 you can never concede he might be onto something, You've 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.080 got to say he's onto absolutely. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.400 Nothing and laugh off any. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.800 Issue he raises, including really serious ones. You know, people 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:18.160 like the presenters on the view can say things like, well, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:22.320 why isn't he focusing on genocides elsewhere? Why isn't he 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.080 focusing on ex human rights views? Why human rights views? Look, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.880 there are two things about this. One is, again, this 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.560 is not a zero sum game. Because many black South 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.800 Africans get murdered in South Africa, mainly by other black 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.520 South Africans, does not mean that no white South Africans 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.160 suffers as well. And as for the sort of thing 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.280 of prioritizing. I'd say that, you know, there's a very 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.160 obvious answer that the Trump administration can give to this, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.240 which is, there are many countries in the world that 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.880 prioritize all sorts of human rights concerns, but very few 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:04.800 that have even noticed the human rights violations against white 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.640 South African farmers, and so yes, if nobody else is 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.760 mentioning it, if it's not the cool thing, the cool 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:17.560 genocide for the view women to do, then nevertheless it's 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.720 perhaps even more so, it's something worth highlighting. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:29.720 I just don't understand this complete hostility to granting asylum 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:35.200 to a few dozen Afrikaners South African farmers who are 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:41.160 going to assimilate well into any Western country, who speak English, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.840 who work hard, who are generally very law abiding Douglas, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.000 Why are people who are so pro migrant, pro open 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:54.840 borders hostile to this? Is it purely a skin color issue? 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.160 I think it's very largely that. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.880 And there's another underlying thing about this story, which I'm sure, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.840 like Merita, you can't help but notice it's something along 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.800 the lines of that happens with many examples of hypocrisy 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:15.040 like this, which is, it's not happening. It might be happening, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.920 but even if it were happening, it's not as bad 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.000 as the other thing that's happening. And then the move 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.919 to Okay, maybe it is happening, but they kind of 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.160 deserve it in some way. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.240 I think that is underlying a lot of the coverage 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:28.240 of this story. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.480 And generally speaking, if a group is being murdered or 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.400 is being targeted for. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:42.680 Annihilation, the idea that you excuse it by saying that. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.520 Underneath all of this they're guilty by dint of their 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:53.680 skin color, of what of something that happened generation ago. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.880 Now, two generations ago would. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.000 Ordinarily be regarded as morally obscene, So why isn't it. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.280 Well, collective guilt seems to be in fashion right now. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.040 Let's go to Canada, now, where King Charles delivered this 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.200 land acknowledgment. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.560 I would like to acknowledge that we are gathered on 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.600 the unseeded territory of the Algonquin and the Shinabeg people. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.200 It is my great hope that in each of your 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:27.399 communities and collectively as a country, a path is found 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.639 toward truth and reconciliation in both word and deed. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:38.119 Douglas, what do you make of that? Is it necessary, desirable? 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.760 Is it akin to our humiliation ritual? 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.040 I don't go in for the land acknowledgment stuff, but 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.880 I'm in the fortunate position of not being the king 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.520 and having to never make any misstep or upset any 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.840 tribe or literal or metaphorical. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.280 I mean, I thought there was a very dignified speech 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:02.680 by the king. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.760 The one thing I would always think whenever I hear 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.399 a land acknowledgement, it's for people in a country decide 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.920 if they want to do that sort of thing, for Canadians, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.040 for Americans, Australians and others. The thing that I always 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:18.480 think when it does happen is I wonder whether this 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.159 could ever happen in. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.320 Britain or in Europe. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.600 Would it ever be the case that there would be 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.200 a land acknowledgment to the First People's and the indigenous 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.959 peoples of England, for instance, on whose land people stand. 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.640 I never really hear that. Maybe there will. 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.280 Come a time when things are so bad in Britain 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.760 and Europe that people do start doing that, but it'll 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:44.720 be some way off. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.159 I think there will be a lot of retribution. In 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:47.879 the meantime. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.840 There's parts of London. You could start doing that right now, 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.520 just on the King that he is in North America. 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.280 We know his son is in North America. There's a 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.640 bit of conjecture that there may be a renew reunion 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:08.119 with the prodigal son. Seems unlikely, Douglas, But would you 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:14.040 like to see reconciliation given the King is battling cancer 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.159 and he's not seeing his son or his grandchildren for 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:17.720 some time. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.159 Yes, I mean it's a very sad story on a 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.840 family level, our human level, that you know the King 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.199 has been ill as you mentioned, and his second son 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:36.000 is missing and deliberately missing. I think, as you and 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.320 I have said before, reach the real problem lies in 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.840 the problem that Prince Harry and Meghan have created, which 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.440 is it's very hard. I think it would be very 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:52.560 hard for any family to reconcile with and have private 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:57.040 discussions with a family member which at any point could 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.679 be turned into another volume of autobiography and memory or 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:05.480 into a Netflix series. What could possibly be said? How 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.600 could Harry be trusted given the fact that he's in 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:15.440 constant dealings with media platforms and constantly sounding off against 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.320 his family. It's extremely hard to see unless Harry and 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:25.960 Meghan learnt the amazing trick of sometimes choosing to be quiet. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.080 It's very hard to see how the King or the 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:32.120 royal family can trust them. 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.080 Now in the UK, we are seeing the rise and 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:41.719 rise of reform. Their surge in the polls continues in 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.720 a first past the post system. They're right now well 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.400 in front in a number of polls, ahead of Labor, 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.320 comfortably ahead of the Tories. Is this the end of 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.520 the two party system in the UK? Can they maintain 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.639 this momentum in it all the way to the election? 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.080 I don't know. It's going to be a nacing sea redoers. 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.960 You know, the electoral system in the UK is extremely 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:10.159 cruel to third parties, insurgent parties and so on. It's 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.560 not like list systems like the Netherlands has, for instance, 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.560 where you know, there can constantly be parties that come 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.600 up and take over and either rule well or otherwise 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.359 and get chucked out or kept in power. It's just 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.679 not like that in the UK that there's always been 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.440 this expectation that the two party system can't be broken. 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.400 And I suppose people think back to the ninety seventies 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:38.000 and eighties and the SDP and so on. But actually, 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:42.600 you know, of course sometimes a party does die, and 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.840 that was of course the case with the old Liberal 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:50.320 Party more than a century ago, and the Labor Party, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.280 the Conservative Party. There's no law of nature that means 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.440 they have to survive. The interesting thing for a form 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.439 really will be whether or not they can demon straight 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.080 that it's not a one man party, that it's not 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:08.120 just Nigel Farage, and without him there really. 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:08.520 Isn't a party. 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:13.280 Nigel Farage is an extremely brilliant campaigner, exceptionally brilliant campaigner, 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.400 and an incredibly talented politician, but in order to get 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:21.560 anywhere near actually looking like he's a figure that can 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:26.320 head a government, he'd have to surround himself with many 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:31.000 people of an equal or similar caliber, and he's just 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.000 never been able to do that. And I'm afraid that 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.720 the infighting that Reform has already seen is sort of 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:43.680 a bad sign in that regard. Inevitably, a successful party 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.840 has to be a kind of coalition, but also just 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.080 has to have a lot of talent in it. Can 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.199 Nigel Farage spend the next couple of. 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:52.520 Years building that up. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:56.080 Perhaps if he does, he's a serious threat to the 0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:00.159 Labor and Conservative two party system if he does, and 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.359 I'm afraid it'll just be another of those strange electoral 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:09.000 polling berths that happens usually midway through a very unsuccessful 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:10.600 government like this one in the UK. 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.320 Now you've been good enough to give some free advice 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.119 to the Democrats tonight, if you could do the same 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.880 for our Liberal party. They're in crisis right now. They've 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.080 had a landslide election loss and they don't really seem 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.160