Speaker 1: Now this gang that couldn't shoot straight, they did manage
Speaker 1: to get in a car and go straight to the airport,
Speaker 1: and then they got straight on a plane to Dubai.
Speaker 1: And then they got straight off that plane and they vanished,
Speaker 1: they disappeared. He's a good looking rooster, and he's a gangster,
Speaker 1: and he's a camoncero, and he's a tough guy. But
Speaker 1: he's also the suspect in two, not one, two wrong
Speaker 1: victim homicides dating back to twenty seventeen. I'm Andrew Rule
Speaker 1: is Life and Crimes Today. My colleague and I Mark Butler,
Speaker 1: are looking at an interesting thing. We think it's interesting anyway.
Speaker 1: It's the issue of bad people, or allegedly bad people,
Speaker 1: who do things, or allegedly do things, and then scarper
Speaker 1: they leave the country. They get on a big jet
Speaker 1: plane these days, usually a jetplane, and they fly to
Speaker 1: somewhere where they can hide out, often to a place
Speaker 1: without an extradition treaty or with an extradition treaty that
Speaker 1: is so slow, so full of red tape that they
Speaker 1: know they can sort of dodge things, and often places
Speaker 1: where the sufficient corruption, especially down at a low level,
Speaker 1: that they can duck and dive and dodge the law
Speaker 1: for years, if not forever. And of course some destinations
Speaker 1: are better than others, and some are better than others
Speaker 1: because some of these people are dual citizens and they
Speaker 1: are able to go back to the country of their
Speaker 1: birth or where their parents are from, countries where they
Speaker 1: speak the language, and where they have some rights, and
Speaker 1: often in some places those rights include the right not
Speaker 1: to be extradited back to Australia to face inconvenient charges
Speaker 1: of murder or drug trafficking or rape. Serious things like that,
Speaker 1: the sort of crimes that used to get you hanged
Speaker 1: in the good old what people used to call capital crimes.
Speaker 1: So there's many of them. Sometimes the authorities swing and miss.
Speaker 1: That happened back in the eighties with the Keystone Cops
Speaker 1: pursuit of Robert Ozzy Bob Trimbli, who was on the
Speaker 1: loose for six years after he was tipped off to
Speaker 1: get the hell out of Sydney. He was tipped off
Speaker 1: by a bent cop in nineteen eighty one who said, now, Bob,
Speaker 1: if you want to give me some money, I can
Speaker 1: tell you what to do. And Bob gave him some
Speaker 1: money and he said, all you've got to do when
Speaker 1: you exit the airport, is you just change your date
Speaker 1: of burst slightly by one day if you like, on
Speaker 1: the exit documents, and nobody's going to pick that up.
Speaker 1: You will go through, your pass will go through, and
Speaker 1: you will get out without being stopped. And that's all
Speaker 1: it took back in that era for you to be
Speaker 1: able to walk through customs. Which was very interesting because
Speaker 1: Bob left town having been tipped off that he was
Speaker 1: going to be arrested on major charges which I think
Speaker 1: were not only big drug charges but murder conspiracy charges.
Speaker 1: And he left town with his ever eleven girlfriend, am
Speaker 1: Marie Presley, and I think her daughter. They went to
Speaker 1: various places, but they ended up in Ireland, which was
Speaker 1: where they were, and he was living under an Irish
Speaker 1: name there. Some years later when the wicked Australian media
Speaker 1: found out that he was there and sent reporters over there,
Speaker 1: and one reporter fellow called Stephen Price. Steve Price is
Speaker 1: well known to many of our listeners. I can recall
Speaker 1: him filing a story from Ireland which had the introduction
Speaker 1: and the headline, I slept in Robert Trimbowley's bed, and
Speaker 1: that was either a high watermark or a low water
Speaker 1: mark of journalism, I'm not sure which. The point was
Speaker 1: that the journalists, the reporters were a little bit ahead
Speaker 1: of the police, and trim Bowley and his girlfriend amed
Speaker 1: Marie and the girl were able to stay one step
Speaker 1: ahead of the Australian police, who were, let's say trying hard.
Speaker 1: The Federal police, I think we're genuinely trying to catch him,
Speaker 1: but they just weren't very good at it. And Trimboli
Speaker 1: and his little entourage ended up leaving Ireland and going
Speaker 1: to Spain. And you would think that finding them once
Speaker 1: you had the trail will be a bit like tracking
Speaker 1: an elephant through snow, But no, the Feds couldn't catch him,
Speaker 1: and in the end, Robert Trimboli died of what he
Speaker 1: had was terminal cancer at this stage. He died of
Speaker 1: cancer in his own bed in Spain in nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 1: surrounded I think by some of his loved ones. They'd
Speaker 1: actually managed to go there and be with him at
Speaker 1: that time, which the police hadn't managed to do, and
Speaker 1: this prompted interesting coverage. One of the reporters on the
Speaker 1: job in those days was this company, this newspaper's wonderful
Speaker 1: foreign correspondent Bruce Wilson, and Bruce Wilson was terrific. He's
Speaker 1: no longer with us, but he was a great reporter.
Speaker 1: And he wrote a story which said, if Robert Trimboli
Speaker 1: is the most wanted man in the world, then the
Speaker 1: second most wanted man can sleep very soundly indeed, and
Speaker 1: I think that story had to be taken down and
Speaker 1: sort of had to climb off at a bit because
Speaker 1: the federal police got very upset, and a particular officer,
Speaker 1: I think got a bit upset about it, but he
Speaker 1: did make a fair point that they really hadn't done
Speaker 1: a great job to catch Robert Trimboly. Trimboly is of
Speaker 1: many that have got away and stayed away, and a
Speaker 1: few have been brought back. Another one, of course, in
Speaker 1: recent times, is our old mate, a modern Trimboli. Really
Speaker 1: is our old friend Tony Mockbell, who some twenty odd
Speaker 1: years later did a similar thing. He knew that he
Speaker 1: had a lot of money, He was very well versed
Speaker 1: in the ways of police, investigators and prosecutors and others,
Speaker 1: and he got the tip off, probably from a lawyer,
Speaker 1: that they were looking for him, or they were going
Speaker 1: to charge him with something, and he vanished. He vanished,
Speaker 1: as we all recall, where's he gone? He didn't turn
Speaker 1: up to court whatever, and he was gone, and no
Speaker 1: one knew. And there were all these wonderful theories and
Speaker 1: wonderful rumors about where he gone or where he hadn't gone.
Speaker 1: The reality was he'd actually gone up to Bonnie Dune,
Speaker 1: where there is a lot of serenity, and he stayed
Speaker 1: at Bonnie Dun in a little cabin where he was
Speaker 1: visited by his girlfriend, Dannielle Maguire, who's an interesting person,
Speaker 1: and they spent some months i think, up there on
Speaker 1: and off. And then Tony Mockbell arranged for his associates,
Speaker 1: who were very good at these things, to buy an
Speaker 1: ocean going yacht, which they bought over on the east
Speaker 1: coast of Australia, and they had it toad or taken
Speaker 1: by truck all the way to the West coast, right
Speaker 1: across another board, and then they took it to Fromantle
Speaker 1: and Bell and his family or somebody's family. He made
Speaker 1: sure he had a car load of people, and he
Speaker 1: had a guy driving and a lady in the front seat,
Speaker 1: and he was in the back seat pretending to be
Speaker 1: a mute, metally deficient middle aged man. It was a
Speaker 1: very good disguise, so he could just sit in the
Speaker 1: back seat and not talk or say anything. And they
Speaker 1: drove across the another board and they went to Fremantle,
Speaker 1: and there he had these Greek sailors on his boat.
Speaker 1: And the Greek sailors and a carpenter modified the boat
Speaker 1: so they could hide a man his size under a
Speaker 1: certain table or whatever it was without the custom sky's
Speaker 1: finding it. Then they thought they might go to somewhere
Speaker 1: a bit quieter, so they sailed the boat. The Greek
Speaker 1: crew that manned the boat, they sailed it up to
Speaker 1: the north, up to Kartha or something like that, the
Speaker 1: top and the Kimberley, and meanwhile Tony and his mates
Speaker 1: drove up and then he gets on the boat at
Speaker 1: one of those northern ports where there's very sleepy sort
Speaker 1: of customs, and he was able to get shut into
Speaker 1: the little locker that he'd built. They sailed out into
Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean, and after forty eight hours or something
Speaker 1: he could get out of his little claustrophobic locker and
Speaker 1: they sail right across the world to the Suez canal
Speaker 1: where it would be a bit tricky for you if
Speaker 1: you were not legit. But of course somehow he had
Speaker 1: enough money to buy his way through, and he got
Speaker 1: the grease. And that's where old Mockbell was hiding in Athens,
Speaker 1: not in plain sight, but sort of. He I think
Speaker 1: could speak Greek pretty well. He's of Lebanese extraction, but
Speaker 1: I think he knew plenty of Greek and was comfortable there.
Speaker 1: His great and good friend, who was pregnant, Danniel Maguire,
Speaker 1: was to join him. Now, the police back here, we're
Speaker 1: very keen on following her or having her followed overseas,
Speaker 1: because they thought, well, if you let her go, that
Speaker 1: she'll lead her to the man. And they had into Pole,
Speaker 1: and they had Italian police and made all sorts of
Speaker 1: interesting people following her when she went to Rome. And
Speaker 1: there she's in Rome, and lo and behold she's with
Speaker 1: another woman, with a female actor and Australian actress. And
Speaker 1: they were meeting together in plain sight at a good
Speaker 1: hotel in Rome, I think it was, and they were
Speaker 1: being watched, which they probably realized was the case. And
Speaker 1: Daniellie's wearing let's say, a red distinctive red coat. She
Speaker 1: goes into the bathroom and comes back, and then the
Speaker 1: friend goes into the bathroom, comes back, And what they
Speaker 1: actually did was change coats, so that when one comes
Speaker 1: back wearing the coat, the watchers who were sitting two
Speaker 1: hundred meters away think it's Dannielle, but it's not. It's
Speaker 1: the actress. Meanwhile, the real Danielle has gone out the
Speaker 1: back door of the hotel and skipped town, and she's
Speaker 1: got across the border into the rest of Europe and
Speaker 1: she's ended up happily with Tony for quite a while.
Speaker 1: And so that is what has happened with the strange
Speaker 1: case of Tony Mockbell. Long story short, it's quite possible
Speaker 1: that Tony Mockbell would not have been caught except for
Speaker 1: one thing. One of his former associates, or an associate
Speaker 1: of his group back here in Australia, a man that
Speaker 1: we will call the musician, because I think he was
Speaker 1: a musician. He was close associated with these guys and
Speaker 1: he was sort of trusted by them up to a point,
Speaker 1: but he had a grievance. His grievance was that one
Speaker 1: of his own family members had I think either if
Speaker 1: he hadn't died of a heroin overdose, was at least
Speaker 1: effectively a junkie. And this guy ended up not happy
Speaker 1: with the Mockbell drug empire, but he was trusted by them.
Speaker 1: And what he did. He had access to a laptop.
Speaker 1: He was talking to one of the Mockbell Lift tenants
Speaker 1: who was trusted with sending money to various dark accounts
Speaker 1: around the world that Mockbell could access. And he had
Speaker 1: phone numbers and stuff and it was all on one laptop.
Speaker 1: And when this Mockbell liftenant, when this Mockbell heavy left
Speaker 1: the room to go to the bathroom, the musician grabbed
Speaker 1: a thumb drive, jammed into the computer and downloaded all
Speaker 1: the material in it, including bank numbers, phone numbers on
Speaker 1: all this stuff, puts it in his pocket. When the
Speaker 1: guy comes back ninety seconds later, they just kept talking
Speaker 1: and chatting about the soccer or whatever. He goes out
Speaker 1: and he gives the police this information. It was that
Speaker 1: that led the Melbourne police to Tony Mockbell in Greece
Speaker 1: because straight away they said, well, he's the phone numbers,
Speaker 1: this is the numbers using we can trace it to Athens, etc.
Speaker 1: And we all know how that ended up. Tony's over
Speaker 1: there wearing his very bad wig and he gets grabbed
Speaker 1: by the Athens police who are working on behalf of
Speaker 1: the Australian Police. It was a great piece of detection,
Speaker 1: but all of it comes down to this insider tipping
Speaker 1: the police off, and it would appear that had that
Speaker 1: not happened, they may not have caught him. And the
Speaker 1: point of saying that is that so many people that
Speaker 1: have gone overseas have not been grabbed. They've stayed around
Speaker 1: for years. It's easy to sort of crack jokes about
Speaker 1: the Danniel mcguires and mock bells, but there's nothing funny
Speaker 1: about what happens in most of these runaway criminal cases.
Speaker 1: One of the worst of a long list unfolded almost
Speaker 1: a year ago when a woman who's also a mother
Speaker 1: of a young child vanished from her Point Cook home,
Speaker 1: the one she shared with her husband, man she'd been
Speaker 1: married to for twelve years now. This woman had migrated,
Speaker 1: as her husband had, from India when they were young adults,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if they got married here or
Speaker 1: over there, but they come out as young adults and
Speaker 1: I think they'd both become Australian citizens. The name that
Speaker 1: she used mostly was Sweather Sweather Mattagani, and no one
Speaker 1: knew that she had actually vanished on I think on
Speaker 1: a Friday early in March last year, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: The first that the police or anyone knew that she'd
Speaker 1: vanished was that they got a call on Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: March the ninth from India where they got a very
Speaker 1: brief tip off to look for her. So police got
Speaker 1: the tip off from India, they found and to swear
Speaker 1: the Madigani's body in the bin around noon on a
Speaker 1: Saturday in a wheelie bin down pasture along It turns
Speaker 1: out that her husband, surprise surprise, his name is Ashok
Speaker 1: raj Avari Kapala. He apparently had dumped it there before
Speaker 1: flying to India the previous afternoon. Now it would appear
Speaker 1: that there's no other solution to this because it was
Speaker 1: him that tipped off the police from India. It would appear.
Speaker 1: It seems that a taxi driver told the police a
Speaker 1: few weeks later that the twitchy husband and a bewildered
Speaker 1: little boy had gone to Melbourne Airport from Point Cook
Speaker 1: by taxi in time on the Friday afternoon for an
Speaker 1: afternoon flight to India. Now, the husband's in laws, that is,
Speaker 1: the dead woman's parents, were woken up at four am
Speaker 1: local time over there on that Saturday morning in the
Speaker 1: city of Hydrobad and they heard the terrible news from
Speaker 1: their son in law about their daughter's death. They heard
Speaker 1: it directly from the only person in the world that
Speaker 1: knew about it, which was their son in law, because
Speaker 1: he told them that their daughter had sadly died while
Speaker 1: he was trying to silence her while I having an argument. Now,
Speaker 1: this would suggest I imagine that he's either smothered her
Speaker 1: or strangled her. But regardless, he told them the story
Speaker 1: that she was dead, and he confirmed that by tipping
Speaker 1: off the police in Melbourne, who then went and found
Speaker 1: the body. So it all ties together. That man then
Speaker 1: left his in laws and vanished. He left the small
Speaker 1: boy three year old boy with them with the grandparents
Speaker 1: that the child probably hardly knew but anyway, and he
Speaker 1: disappeared into the vast, sprawling city of Hyderabad or another
Speaker 1: city nearby called Shannai, I think and various I think
Speaker 1: this also. Bangalore, southern India has something like two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million people and many big cities and many
Speaker 1: small cities and many, many, many towns. It's a very
Speaker 1: thickly populated place. It is the center of the Indian
Speaker 1: IT industry. And this man, the husband in this case,
Speaker 1: ashok Raj Vari Kapala, was a bit of an IT
Speaker 1: expert and he was also bilingual. So our bad husband
Speaker 1: is an IT expert. He worked in IT in Australia.
Speaker 1: He was obviously pretty good at it. They had the
Speaker 1: good house in Point Cook, they had the Mercedes Been
Speaker 1: station wagon, they had the Mini Cooper car. They were
Speaker 1: living the good life. So he's clearly a highly employable
Speaker 1: sort of guy. And all he would have to do
Speaker 1: in India probably is to manipulate his identity documents a
Speaker 1: bit so that he was reasonably hard to track, but
Speaker 1: he could probably still pick up work over there. The
Speaker 1: reality would appear to be and the police do not
Speaker 1: confirm or deny anything about extradition, and fair enough, the
Speaker 1: police aren't in a position where they can talk about
Speaker 1: who they get an extra diit or how or when,
Speaker 1: and that's good, but it would appear that at best
Speaker 1: it is a process that is long and slow and
Speaker 1: a big problem full of red tape. You've got the
Speaker 1: red tape in Australia, then you've got the world famous
Speaker 1: red tape in India, a country that runs on red
Speaker 1: tape apparently and has a very choked public service bureaucracy,
Speaker 1: and everything is slow, and quite possibly things are only
Speaker 1: marginally efficient if the right amount of bribes are paid. Maybe,
Speaker 1: And it would seem that it will be a long
Speaker 1: slow process to get that hussman back to Australia to
Speaker 1: face what would be I think murder charges or manslaughter
Speaker 1: charges if ever, that is, if he ever is brought
Speaker 1: back at all. The smart money says that he may
Speaker 1: never be because we have other cases. We had the
Speaker 1: notorious case of pan Panit Panit was the young Indian
Speaker 1: born guy that ran over someone here in South Bank,
Speaker 1: just across the river from the CBD in Melbourne, killed
Speaker 1: that person. Tragic case. Now some years ago he was
Speaker 1: actually charged with that. I think he pleaded guilty and
Speaker 1: he got bail, but he jumped bail. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, Panite used a friend's passport to get through
Speaker 1: the airport and go to India, which beggars belief that
Speaker 1: as recently as two thousand and nine the passports were
Speaker 1: sufficiently primitive that that could happen, But apparently that was
Speaker 1: the case. Having got to India, Panite has gone into
Speaker 1: smoke and has never been hauled back to Australia to
Speaker 1: serve out a significant sentence for culpable driving or whatever
Speaker 1: the charge is. And there's various reasons for that. One
Speaker 1: might be that he might get tipped off by local
Speaker 1: authorities or something, if there's a move to get h
Speaker 1: I don't know. He might have just been able to
Speaker 1: assume a slightly different name in a country where there
Speaker 1: are millions of people. And as one of my colleagues
Speaker 1: pointed out to me, India is a place where thousands
Speaker 1: of people a year are killed or severely injured on
Speaker 1: the roads with traffic, cars, motorbikes, bikes, the whole catastrophe,
Speaker 1: and it is not regarded over there as a particularly
Speaker 1: serious thing, particularly serious offense. They accept it as a
Speaker 1: fact of life that if you're out on the roads
Speaker 1: you may well be run over and killed. And so
Speaker 1: there is not that commitment to finding someone like him
Speaker 1: that there would be here in Australia. So we have
Speaker 1: cultural differences working against the Australian authorities. Indian security sources
Speaker 1: have told me that it's possible for a resourceful fugitive
Speaker 1: in India to get out of India one of two
Speaker 1: obvious ways. They said, you could get a fishing butt
Speaker 1: or a boat over to Sri Lanka and then work
Speaker 1: your way around. You'd have to get false documents which
Speaker 1: are gettable over there, or you could go to Nepal
Speaker 1: by road. You could walk into Nepal. Probably again, you
Speaker 1: could get false documents made up, even a passport made up,
Speaker 1: that would be sufficient to get you out of India
Speaker 1: into certain Southeast Asian countries. You wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: fly back to Australia or to Western countries because their
Speaker 1: border controls are more sophisticated. But I was told by
Speaker 1: this Indian security that there are some countries in Southeast
Speaker 1: Asia where an Indian passenger on a plane would be
Speaker 1: able to get through fairly easily with forged documents. That's
Speaker 1: another possibility for what could happen to some of our
Speaker 1: most wanted people. Now, we do have one example of
Speaker 1: Australian police working very hard to get back some runaways
Speaker 1: who committed a very bad crime in Melbourne. Now this
Speaker 1: was the murder by three Thai Nationals of a nassy
Speaker 1: guy called Luke Mitchell. Luke Mitchell, it was a notorious case.
Speaker 1: He was a good samaritan. He was a chef. He's
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. He was out I think with
Speaker 1: his sister in law and other friends in Brunswick one
Speaker 1: night around nine, between nine and ten o'clock at night
Speaker 1: or something, and they saw a disturbance in the street
Speaker 1: in Sydney Road and was outside a massage parlor and
Speaker 1: these three Thai guys had been aggressively harassing a woman.
Speaker 1: Now I suspect it was all something to do with
Speaker 1: the massage parlor, and maybe these were standover guys or something,
Speaker 1: but the reality was that they were hassling this woman
Speaker 1: and that a bystander thought that was very unpleasant and
Speaker 1: had stepped in to try and protect the woman. And
Speaker 1: then these three have turned on the bystander and roughed
Speaker 1: him up. Luke Mitchell, good block, good samaritan, sees this
Speaker 1: happen and he goes over to step in to prevent
Speaker 1: these three guys from monstering the bystander, and he gets
Speaker 1: in a fight with these guys and he's throwing punches
Speaker 1: and I think probably acquitted himself pretty well, and then
Speaker 1: he and his sister in law and friends walked up
Speaker 1: the road not far to a seven eleven to buy
Speaker 1: some cigarettes or whatever, coffee whatever. Meanwhile, the three tai
Speaker 1: guys have gone off and got hold of knives and
Speaker 1: a meat cleaver, which tells you something that probably they
Speaker 1: were going around equipped to stand over people, and they
Speaker 1: have come hunting for Luke Mitchell. They've come back armed
Speaker 1: and they've attacked him. Three men have attacked Luke Mitchell
Speaker 1: with these weapons and they've stabbed him. They've knocked him over.
Speaker 1: They've kicked him as well as stabbing him, and he
Speaker 1: died of his wounds. He died in front of I
Speaker 1: think fourteen witnesses. It was a terrible crime for a
Speaker 1: good samaritan who was just trying to help someone else.
Speaker 1: The police were fairly quickly, fairly quickly able to identify
Speaker 1: who these guys were from security cameras and stuff. But
Speaker 1: by the time they did that, these guys had gone
Speaker 1: straight to the airport and jumped on a plane back
Speaker 1: to Bangkok. On the way, it stopped in Hong Kong,
Speaker 1: proof that the police were fairly onto. It was that
Speaker 1: the police found out they couldn't get them arrested in
Speaker 1: Hong Kong, but they could get them photographed, and they
Speaker 1: got photographs from the security people in Hong Kong and
Speaker 1: it showed these three guys. One of them had some
Speaker 1: blood on him or something, or some cats or bruises
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it was clearly these three. And the
Speaker 1: police then went about the official process for looking for
Speaker 1: a needle in a haystack, and they approached the tie
Speaker 1: authorities and said, well, these three guys started up, they
Speaker 1: would have had their names. We want them back here
Speaker 1: for this murder. And eventually, I think after three years
Speaker 1: of doing and frowing and official stuff and red tape,
Speaker 1: they identified them and got them back. Now, it took
Speaker 1: ultimately six years and three months, six years and three
Speaker 1: months from the murder until those three guys went to
Speaker 1: jail in Melbourne. Two of them got very big sentences
Speaker 1: I think twenty four years on the top. The third
Speaker 1: guy got well under twenty years because he gave evidence
Speaker 1: against the other two. That was a good result, good
Speaker 1: gogged detective work by the Victorian police. I think it
Speaker 1: was Ron Iddle's back in that day that was handling
Speaker 1: that and he and his team did a very good job.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the hunt is doomed from the start. Years ago,
Speaker 1: homicide investigators identified Chinese students as suspects in a murder
Speaker 1: at box Hill, but these students were gone by the
Speaker 1: time they confirmed who they were. This is very intriguing.
Speaker 1: These Chinese students. You wouldn't sort of think of them
Speaker 1: as going around murdering other people. You would wonder whether
Speaker 1: perhaps they were operatives of the Chinese government. You would
Speaker 1: suspect that would or not. And by the time the
Speaker 1: police worked out who they were, or you know, who
Speaker 1: they allegedly were, they were gone back. And as one
Speaker 1: policeman said, once that happened, you can kiss it goodbye.
Speaker 1: You'll just never find them. And that's what happened. They
Speaker 1: were never found, never seen again, and the murder remained unsolved.
Speaker 1: Probably even more disturbing in some ways because it's more
Speaker 1: public and therefore more dangerous to most of us walking around,
Speaker 1: was the escape of the shooters who sprayed Sam. The
Speaker 1: punisher Abdul Rahim. So this is back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: This is the case where he's gone to his cousin's
Speaker 1: funeral at Faulkner Cemetery. He's driving out in a very
Speaker 1: slow convoy behind the hearse or whatever, and up comes
Speaker 1: a stolen the masdra I think it was SUV, and
Speaker 1: they spray his Mercedes Wagon, his g wagon with a
Speaker 1: massive amount of lead fired from a machine pistol, I think,
Speaker 1: And it broke the windows of his car and it
Speaker 1: sprayed him across his chain. I'll never forget that news
Speaker 1: photo of his chest later published, where his chest had
Speaker 1: been stitched with three or four bullets and it hadn't
Speaker 1: killed him. It was an amazing thing. Those lunatics then
Speaker 1: drove off. They actually hit a fire hydrant nearby outside
Speaker 1: of service station. One of the lunatics there around a
Speaker 1: young guys has run over and dived into a skip
Speaker 1: full of cardboard boxes, hidden under the cardboard boxes for
Speaker 1: all of about five seconds, and then come out of
Speaker 1: the skip deciding it wasn't a good idea. While he
Speaker 1: was doing this, the jumper that he artfully put over
Speaker 1: his head so no one could see who he was
Speaker 1: came off his face, so the security footage that was
Speaker 1: at the service station showed his face, so that wasn't great. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: his mates run away doing much the same sort of thing. Now,
Speaker 1: this gang that couldn't shoot straight. They did manage to
Speaker 1: get in a car and go straight to the airport,
Speaker 1: and then they got straight on a plane to Dubai,
Speaker 1: and then they got straight off that plane and they vanished.
Speaker 1: They disappeared. Presumably they've been looked after over there by
Speaker 1: some Middle Eastern crime paymaster, the same one who may
Speaker 1: well have been paying them to shoot Sam abdul Rahim.
Speaker 1: Sam abdul Rahim, who of course just recently has been
Speaker 1: shot dead at long last after several attempts on his life.
Speaker 1: The reality is that although the police were able to
Speaker 1: arrest some other peripheral people here in Melbourne who were
Speaker 1: somehow associated with the bad guys, the two shooters got
Speaker 1: on a plane, got to Dubai and have vanished. And
Speaker 1: the betting is that they will never come back and
Speaker 1: will never be brought back. That is just my tip.
Speaker 1: Who would know The police and the Feds and everybody
Speaker 1: else might be working on getting them out as we speak.
Speaker 1: It's hard to know. Then there is the good looking dude,
Speaker 1: common cheero, heavy, former male model. His name is Hassan
Speaker 1: to Paal. Now he hasn't been seen in Melbourne or
Speaker 1: in Australia since twenty nineteen because he took a sudden
Speaker 1: flight overseas for the good of his health. He left
Speaker 1: behind here a string of shooting victims, most of them
Speaker 1: the wrong victims and very interested police. Now to Pahl
Speaker 1: has been having a good time in the country of
Speaker 1: his four bears in Turkey while arresting arrest or an
Speaker 1: ambush back here. I think he's managing to do business
Speaker 1: from over there remotely as these guys do. He's a
Speaker 1: good looking rooster, and he's a gangster, and he's a
Speaker 1: commonchero and he's a tough guy. But he's also the
Speaker 1: suspect in two, not one, two wrong victims homicides dating
Speaker 1: back to twenty seventeen. He's not going at the assassination
Speaker 1: kaper he gets the wrong people. The target in one
Speaker 1: incident was the late Mohammad Afghan Ali Keshtiar, who was
Speaker 1: marked to die down at Nari Warren at a house
Speaker 1: where he lived. Then the shooter, whoever it was, watched
Speaker 1: the assignment and shot an innocent visitor, a bloke called
Speaker 1: Zabi Estja. This was a lucky break for the intended victim,
Speaker 1: Afghan Aali, but it wasn't a permanent stay of execution
Speaker 1: because of course, Afghan Ali Keshtiar was shot dead in
Speaker 1: Southierra some time later. Our friend Hasanto Pal meanwhile was
Speaker 1: also involved allegedly in shooting at several bandidos as they
Speaker 1: rode their motorbikes I think across the Balti Bridge and
Speaker 1: didn't manage to bowl any of them over, but created
Speaker 1: a lot of problem there, a lot of fear and
Speaker 1: angst and friction, and ultimately he decided he should leave
Speaker 1: Australia while the going was good, and I suspect that
Speaker 1: he will probably stay in Turkey or some other countries
Speaker 1: over there for a long long time. Any case in
Speaker 1: which the suspects have not even been charged or interviewed
Speaker 1: makes extradition even more difficult than in the Panate case.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do and the police do the
Speaker 1: best they can with what they've got, but it's not easy.
Speaker 1: But as they say, time is on their side. Time
Speaker 1: wounds all heels. One Middle Eastern organized crime figure and
Speaker 1: former Australian businessman who fled Australia to escape the police
Speaker 1: heat returned a decade later without any struggle of all
Speaker 1: because he was in a coffin. So a man left
Speaker 1: Australia to get away from the police and after a
Speaker 1: decade he came home in a coffin and he received
Speaker 1: an extraordinarily lavish funeral because in fact he was a
Speaker 1: very big drug trafficker and they always have big funerals.
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