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Speaker 1: Approche production from from amateur You went to Sydney Olympics. Yes,

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Speaker 1: does I feel when you were going to represent Australia.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Yeah? Yeah, it made it so good. Like so

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Speaker 2: I was like I went, I won the Ocean of

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Speaker 2: You know. I was at the AIS preparing for it,

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Speaker 2: like I got really sick, man, I got really sick

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Speaker 2: before that fight. I was it was just really I

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Speaker 2: don't know whether it was the weather or what. I

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Speaker 2: I had my family there. My family loved me. Have

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Speaker 2: a lot of Greek family here in Sydney. They're very

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Speaker 2: I used that passion from inside, you know, to dig

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Speaker 2: b team. I was never the A player to represent

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Speaker 2: because I lost at the Australian titles to an older

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Speaker 2: I was just a kid, you know, eighteen or something

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Speaker 2: Able but from New Zealand. I'm sick. I've beat my

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Speaker 2: you know, And I was like, Mom, I'm so sick.

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Speaker 2: You know what am I going to do? And she said, Love,

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Speaker 2: you know how much you want this? And you know

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Speaker 2: dig with him within. You're gonna have to dig deep

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Speaker 2: within yourself. Son, You're gonna have to dig within yourself.

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Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I'm okay, I know I really

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Speaker 2: I knocked that fucker out, you know, I fought him

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Speaker 2: and I knocked him out. Like I just looked down

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Speaker 2: at my family, all my family were there, like all

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Speaker 2: the Greek side of my family all there. Man. I

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Speaker 2: was like the Olympics. I'm gold to the Olympics, you know,

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Speaker 2: Olympics and I won the first round of competition. It's

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Speaker 2: this great icon? You know? And that helped me build

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Speaker 2: a lot of confidence in my life. And yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was one of the best moments. I remember being

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Speaker 2: the happiest moment of my life. You know. I was like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah I did. I decided to turn pro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I turned pro and and I won

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Speaker 2: the state title. For my first fight, I won the Australian title.

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Speaker 2: Back then, I used to fight twelve rounds for the

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Speaker 2: first fight, yes, yep. And I knocked him out to

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Speaker 1: Being amateur for you know, so long for what you did,

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Speaker 2: It is that there are two different sports. Like the

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Speaker 2: the iron's hot. You'd act man at times, right, you do,

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Speaker 1: You didn't feel like he wanted to do another Olympics

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Speaker 2: No. I was meant to be a pro. I was

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Speaker 1: And so after after.

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Speaker 1: What was the film when you want all them titles?

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Speaker 1: Did you have it in your mind? This is what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, But it was never enough. It was

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Speaker 2: Back, I could Yeah, I could have been dead by

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Speaker 2: This is the stuff that I'm doing all via my Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Yes, two thousand, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: I think Look, I was I had a young young kid,

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Speaker 1: But did you think it affected you going to jail

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Speaker 2: And two, But it affects you a lot. No, give shit, no, no, no, no,

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