Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome to the program tonight.
Speaker 2: Israel is on the verge of a full blown war
Speaker 2: with hesblah this as the United Nations absurdly claims the
Speaker 2: targeted pager attacks could be a war crime. So much
Speaker 2: news from the Middle East. Israeli politician Sharon Haskell would
Speaker 2: join me tonight, plus What's in store for the next
Speaker 2: federal election as Albanese's primary support falls to Gillard era
Speaker 2: levels during the carbon tax lie and the academic leading
Speaker 2: the calls for former ABC boss Mark Scott to resign
Speaker 2: from the University of Sydney, Will tonight be on this program?
Speaker 2: And Kamala Harris's Oprah interview mocked as Hollywood elites fawn
Speaker 2: over the VP. I have those reactions later in the show,
Speaker 2: but first tonight. Woolwards and Cohls have been a Q
Speaker 2: used of offering fake discounts on hundreds of grocery items,
Speaker 2: from cheese to toothpaste, chocolates to lozenges. The cop on
Speaker 2: the beat to the a triple C Today's stun the
Speaker 2: market by launching legal action against the supermarket giants. The
Speaker 2: case against Woolies and Coals is that they claimed they
Speaker 2: were dropping prices on more than two hundred products each
Speaker 2: when in fact they were increasing the price. Here was
Speaker 2: the A Triple C Chair Gina Cascottlieb.
Speaker 3: Today, the A triples ce alleges that the price discounts
Speaker 3: as promoted wor misleading because the discount was illusory. For
Speaker 3: many years, each of us, as consumers will have seen
Speaker 3: the campaigns of Woolworths and calls that have led us
Speaker 3: to understand that the prices dropped and down down prices
Speaker 3: promotions relate to sustain to reductions in regular pricing, so to.
Speaker 2: Be specific about it, Woolies and coals are accused of
Speaker 2: raising the price of items by up to forty three
Speaker 2: percent for a small period. They then lower it back
Speaker 2: to either the original cost and yet claim that it
Speaker 2: had been a major discount. In the case of Ario biscuits,
Speaker 2: an example the A Triple C chair gave today, they
Speaker 2: were originally three dollars fifty for a family pack. Woolwors
Speaker 2: then lifted the price to five dollars. They then dropped
Speaker 2: it back by just fifty cents to four dollars fifty
Speaker 2: to claim that it had been discounted, even though that
Speaker 2: price was about thirty percent higher than the original. The
Speaker 2: Prime Minister spoke about this and he said these were
Speaker 2: all serious claims.
Speaker 4: Today the A Triple C has alleged that Woolwors and
Speaker 4: Coals temporarily increased the prices of two hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: six will Worse products and two hundred and forty five
Speaker 4: Coals products for short periods of time before placing them
Speaker 4: on prices dropped and down down promotions. These are serious
Speaker 4: allegations that the A triop'll see is bringing before the courts.
Speaker 4: If this is found to be true, it's completely unacceptable.
Speaker 4: This is not the Australian spirit. Customers don't deserve to
Speaker 4: be treated as fools by the supermarkets.
Speaker 2: The PM was loving this. Let's be clear, the misleading
Speaker 2: conduct by Coles and Wilworths would be welcome news for him.
Speaker 2: He's been trying to turn the supermarkets into villains in
Speaker 2: this cost of living crisis, and the PM took full
Speaker 2: political advantage. He rushed to hold a press conference to
Speaker 2: re announce a recommendation from Craig Emerson's review. It was
Speaker 2: completed months ago. Albaneze said he'd have a mandatory grocery
Speaker 2: code to find the supermarkets multi million dollars for serious breaches.
Speaker 4: We know there's more to do and my government wants
Speaker 4: to make sure that Australian consumers get a fair.
Speaker 2: Go and the Coalition today also welcomed this bombshell a
Speaker 2: Triple C court case.
Speaker 5: The home grain inflation is bearing down on every Australian household,
Speaker 5: particularly when it comes to groceries. It's crucial that we
Speaker 5: have fair and transparent price advertising and if there's been
Speaker 5: misleading discounting, that's completely unacceptable and appropriate action should be taken.
Speaker 2: Politically, Albanezi needed today's move by the a Triple C
Speaker 2: because at the moment, voters are blaming the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: for the cost of living crisis and for the inflation
Speaker 2: remaining sticky resolve. Polling in the Herald Today shows that
Speaker 2: Labour's primary vote is at record lows in every state.
Speaker 2: Labour's primary is far lower than the co coalitions, and
Speaker 2: it's lower even than at the last election when Labour's
Speaker 2: primary then was it historic lows. Now Labor is now
Speaker 2: in Gillard era territory during the period over the broken
Speaker 2: promise on the carbon tax. Yet for Peter Dutton to
Speaker 2: win the next election, he needs to get the coalition's
Speaker 2: primary vote above forty percent and at the moment he's
Speaker 2: only managing that in Queensland. And to do this to
Speaker 2: really get a lift, Peter Dutton needs to take full
Speaker 2: ownership of the cost of living crisis and he needs
Speaker 2: to be able to pinnot on the Prime Minister, just
Speaker 2: like Albenze did on Scott Morrison when there'd only been
Speaker 2: one rate rise before the last election. Now, in the meantime,
Speaker 2: the likelihood of a hung parliament is cementing for Albanesi,
Speaker 2: and a hung parliament with the radical Greens who are
Speaker 2: fueling our antisemitism crisis and some of the Tials who
Speaker 2: aren't much better, would be highly alarming. Given the Greens
Speaker 2: want a seat at the table, they're going to make
Speaker 2: demands in the government. Were allowing this to happen, allowing
Speaker 2: them to help run the country would be grotesque all right.
Speaker 2: Now to the Middle East, where Israel is on the
Speaker 2: verge of war with Lebanon. Hesbelah has bombarded Israel with
Speaker 2: more than eight thousand rockets since the October seven attacks.
Speaker 2: It also killed twelve Israeli children. Israel finally hits back
Speaker 2: with the genius pager explosions and a series of strikes.
Speaker 2: Now and yet the world is outraged that Israel would
Speaker 2: dare retaliate against Hesbelah. Well, I must must have missed
Speaker 2: the anger against Hesbelah for the eight thousand rockets that
Speaker 2: it fired against Israeli citizens. They weren't at all targeted.
Speaker 2: Those rocket attacks. They had the aim of killing innocent families.
Speaker 2: But when Israel dared to try eliminate the terror threat
Speaker 2: so families can move back home to northern Israel or
Speaker 2: the humanitarian groups are furious now the pager and the
Speaker 2: walkie talkie attacks, they were the most sophisticated and targeted attacks.
Speaker 2: Only the people holding the pages were injured. In the
Speaker 2: vast majority of cases, only four civilians were killed four
Speaker 2: and Israel was tracking each of the individuals holding the pages,
Speaker 2: according to news reports. Now, the reaction from the humanitarian groups, well,
Speaker 2: it's so outrageous that it's almost hilarious to see supposed
Speaker 2: human rights groups become so deeply upset about terrorists being killed.
Speaker 2: Amnesty International sent out a media release today demand an
Speaker 2: investigation into the pager and walkie talkie attacks. They're calling
Speaker 2: them war crimes. Seriously, have a look, Amnesty said, and
Speaker 2: I quote the attacks were carried out indiscriminately and would
Speaker 2: be unlawful against international humanitarian law and should be investigated
Speaker 2: as war crimes. It's a joke, except it's not a joke.
Speaker 2: They're being serious. And the United Nations overnight also said
Speaker 2: this could be a war crime. Killing terrorists have a look.
Speaker 6: Simultaneous targeting of thousands of individuals, whether civilians or members
Speaker 6: of armed groups, without knowledge as to who was in
Speaker 6: possession of the targeted devices, their location, and their surroundings
Speaker 6: at the time of the attack violates Internation human rights
Speaker 6: law and as applicable international humanitarian law.
Speaker 2: These organizations have truly lost all rationality and credibility when
Speaker 2: they oppose the killing of terrorists. And Penny Wang meanwhile,
Speaker 2: sees this all as a reason to give millions of
Speaker 2: dollars more to the Hamas controlled Gaza. She announced today
Speaker 2: a further ten million dollars for Gaza, taking the total
Speaker 2: taxpayer funds to more than eighty two million dollars since
Speaker 2: October seven. Our hard earned taxpayer money, and there's no
Speaker 2: accountability for our taxpayer funds. There's no legitimate agency on
Speaker 2: the ground ensuring that there's no misuse of the money.
Speaker 2: An Honra, as we know, has a long history of
Speaker 2: links to Hamas. There's little to show in Gaza for
Speaker 2: the billions of dollars in international aid over the years,
Speaker 2: apart from the world class tunnel network, which currently holds
Speaker 2: one hundred innocent hostages. The media reports are that Etanyahu
Speaker 2: overnight said he believes around half are still alive. Well,
Speaker 2: with all this aid flowing in from around the world,
Speaker 2: is it any wonder that the Harmas billionaires simply get
Speaker 2: richer and richer. All Right, a lot coming up on
Speaker 2: the show tonight. As I said, we'll bring in Sharon
Speaker 2: Haskell to get the latest from Israel a bit later.
Speaker 2: Also the academic calling for Mark Scott to resign. That's
Speaker 2: all coming up. We'll get to Kamala Harris and the
Speaker 2: Hollywood endorsement later, but now let's bring in tonight's panel.
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Look, let's start with the a
Speaker 2: Triple C decision here today, the legal action against the supermarkets. Joe,
Speaker 2: we've all been skeptical about the discount prices and everyone
Speaker 2: who does any grocery shops. I don't want to just
Speaker 2: say it's the mothers and the women out there, but
Speaker 2: particularly the mothers, at least in my family. I do
Speaker 2: the grocery shop. And it's very obvious that the prices
Speaker 2: over the past couple of years have risen dramatically. But Joe,
Speaker 2: if the a triple ce case is accurate, then this
Speaker 2: is pretty outrageous.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it absolutely is. I do all the shopping in
Speaker 7: my family.
Speaker 8: I am absolutely fastidious about it. I love my fly Bys.
Speaker 8: I watch every dollar, I watch every price movement, and
Speaker 8: I have been quite skeptical about these prices. You know,
Speaker 8: price dropped and lot says the sticker, and it seemed
Speaker 8: to me strangely high, and even I, in my sort
Speaker 8: of conspiratorial rabbit Warren, didn't quite figure out what these
Speaker 8: guys are actually doing. So this notion that they would
Speaker 8: artificially hike the price by say, for example, you know,
Speaker 8: a dollar fifty for a couple of weeks, and then
Speaker 8: dropped the price by fifty cents, hence of course making
Speaker 8: it a price rise of a dollar on a product
Speaker 8: that might be three or four dollars, and then say
Speaker 8: the price has been dropped, citing the previous high price,
Speaker 8: which is artificially inflated, just so they could then say
Speaker 8: that the price has gone down. And this to me
Speaker 8: is a sort of industrial scale gas lighting of consumers.
Speaker 8: I'm not someone who just sort of sets and forget.
Speaker 8: I'm someone who watches every single price. I'm as worried
Speaker 8: about the cost of living as anyone else. I've got
Speaker 8: interest rates up the wazoo and makes up to lazoo.
Speaker 8: And I think this is a really disgraceful betrayal of
Speaker 8: trust of Cohl's and Willie's shoppers, of which I am
Speaker 8: a very enthusiastic one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, and I think it is good to know
Speaker 2: that the A Triple C is being so active and
Speaker 2: aggressive with this. James, But do you agree with what
Speaker 2: I had to say there about the Prime Minister taking
Speaker 2: full political advantage of this and he even made a
Speaker 2: comment that it was the supermarkets in part pushing up inflation.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and we should be very cautious and take everything
Speaker 9: that we hear from the A Triple C with a
Speaker 9: grain of salt.
Speaker 10: They have a history of being a.
Speaker 2: Bit of a truthless tiger.
Speaker 9: We heard recently with the Quantus stuff the A trible
Speaker 9: C boss saying we're going for a record punishment, we
Speaker 9: are going to go after Quantis. This is industrial scale, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 9: And in the end it kind of fizzled out and
Speaker 9: we got a result, but it wasn't as big as
Speaker 9: what we thought. So I'm always skeptical of what I
Speaker 9: do here from the A triple C. The wider issue
Speaker 9: for labor and the Prime Minister is that, yes, Coles
Speaker 9: and Woworth's big business, but the cost of every business
Speaker 9: in this country has gone through the roof in recent times.
Speaker 10: Energy is driving that.
Speaker 9: Big issues with the ir laws and a number of
Speaker 9: other things that are having a really big impact on
Speaker 9: business and their margins and their profits and everything else.
Speaker 9: Now I'm not going to bat Coles and Wilworth's here.
Speaker 9: I think what we've heard today is very serious. But
Speaker 9: the wider issue for the Prime Minister right now that
Speaker 9: you are hearing and you are seeing in the polls
Speaker 9: is that businesses are doing it tough and people blame
Speaker 9: labor for the cost of living crisis that we see.
Speaker 2: And they do that because the Prime Minister promised before
Speaker 2: the last election that he would be able to fix
Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis, that he would make life
Speaker 2: more affordable. Instead, everything has of course gone up since then,
Speaker 2: so he did take ownership of that problem politically. Now
Speaker 2: let's turn to the Heston Russell story that we've now
Speaker 2: all been covering for a couple of weeks now that
Speaker 2: ABC has been caught out lying after revelations that they
Speaker 2: were warned multiple times about errors in their war crime
Speaker 2: reporting about Heston Russell, not just once like they claimed.
Speaker 2: Now these warnings went as far back as October twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, so two years ago now. Now, ABC boss
Speaker 2: David Anderson has admitted that they were told once, but
Speaker 2: then he blamed the legal team for not passing on
Speaker 2: information to the news division. I mean, Joe, this is
Speaker 2: very convenient, isn't it. It's always the lawyer's fault. It's
Speaker 2: the legal team's fault. It wasn't the journalist, not Mark
Speaker 2: Willisey's fault.
Speaker 7: It's always the lawyer's fault or the sub fault.
Speaker 8: But in this case I find this so difficulty just
Speaker 8: because lawyers, as you and I know, Sharry, are usually
Speaker 8: the most risk averse members of any media organization. The
Speaker 8: slightest whiff of anything that could be defamatory or anything
Speaker 8: that could get the organization tangled up in court is
Speaker 8: something that sends off a red flag in the in
Speaker 8: house legal department long before the sort of somewhat more
Speaker 8: gung ho journals in the newsroom, who obviously don't want
Speaker 8: to be cowed away from any story, would run.
Speaker 7: Away from it.
Speaker 8: So it strikes me as passing strange that the legal
Speaker 8: department would be so sort of cavalier or have so
Speaker 8: little attention to detail or to the risks that the
Speaker 8: newsroom was embarking upon, that they would simply not say
Speaker 8: anything about these multiple complaints or multiple warnings at all.
Speaker 7: It just seems very very strange to me.
Speaker 8: And James and I actually just did on my podcast
Speaker 8: a sort of deep dive into this, and Heston Russell
Speaker 8: as personally thanked us for doing that, as I know
Speaker 8: you have been very strong.
Speaker 2: Well good on you, Joe, Good on New Joe. Now, James,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's a really important point here,
Speaker 2: because David Anderson is saying, I know, you know, we
Speaker 2: weren't told, Yes there was a legal letter, but he
Speaker 2: went to the lawyers. But what about you and Ben Fordham,
Speaker 2: You guys were on air pointing out multiple problems with
Speaker 2: the story, and in fact, not only did the ABC
Speaker 2: not take it seriously, but Mark Willisey rang you blowing up?
Speaker 2: He was yelling, yeah he did.
Speaker 9: And it was one of the greatest calls I've ever
Speaker 9: been part of in my life as a media and
Speaker 9: I get asked about it so often. Look at the
Speaker 9: reality was he was so hell bent and was so
Speaker 9: firm on his belief that it was Heston Russell shooting
Speaker 9: the gun in the vision that he had shown on
Speaker 9: the seven to thirty program, which is now the subject
Speaker 9: of this internal investigation. I'll never forget it. He said,
Speaker 9: it is effing Heston Russell shooting for that helicopter. Now,
Speaker 9: Heston Russell had the raw footage, and we now know
Speaker 9: that it wasn't Heston on the gun, but on the
Speaker 9: legal issue. And I think it's important to know this
Speaker 9: wasn't just one letter. This was a back and forth
Speaker 9: between Heston's lawyers and the ABC that went on for
Speaker 9: five or six months before they ended up going to
Speaker 9: the federal court. And at every occasion the ABC lawyers
Speaker 9: would have needed directions from their client, which was ABC News,
Speaker 9: and obviously the barrises that came with that as well.
Speaker 9: So the idea that they weren't aware of is to me,
Speaker 9: with this investigation on folding, I find quite ludicrous. Mark
Speaker 9: Willisy also told the federal court that he had seen
Speaker 9: the unedited footage, which was handed over by the by
Speaker 9: Heston's team six months in. So there's a long way
Speaker 9: to go. But I thought that statement was a massive
Speaker 9: cop out on Friday.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. But I also think the significance of
Speaker 2: that phone call to you, I mean, this is the
Speaker 2: public broadcaster trying to shut down the reporting of another
Speaker 2: media organization. That's how arrogant they.
Speaker 9: Were, totally on an issue as serious as war crimes
Speaker 9: that went on for four or five years, where they
Speaker 9: took a very negative stance, And I believe when you
Speaker 9: look at the recruitment numbers in the military and some
Speaker 9: of the issues that we have trying to get people
Speaker 9: to join the army, the campaign from the public broadcaster
Speaker 9: did enormous damage and to this day the entire sas
Speaker 9: and commandos have been hurt by that badly.
Speaker 2: Well knowing how Defense, the senior Defense treat people under
Speaker 2: them who are going through putting them through investigations, often
Speaker 2: when they're innocent past the suicide rate. I mean, who
Speaker 2: would encourage their kids to join The Australian Army.
Speaker 9: And Defense have been so embarrassing in how quiet they've
Speaker 9: been throughout this. They barely gave support twenty of the
Speaker 9: soldiers that have taken legal action in recent times, and
Speaker 9: I think that's a lot to say. They feel abandoned
Speaker 9: a lot of these soldiers by the Defense Department.
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's have a look at this admission
Speaker 2: for Australia's population. Now we know that we heard the
Speaker 2: news from that ABC last week that Australia's population has
Speaker 2: now hit twenty seven million people and overseas migration made
Speaker 2: up for eighty three percent of the past year's growth.
Speaker 2: The abeneazy government has been pursuing this Big Australia policy.
Speaker 2: But then there was so much backlash that the government
Speaker 2: repeatedly pledged they were going to lower migration given it
Speaker 2: is contributing to the housing crisis. But then the Treasurer
Speaker 2: said that the forecast wouldn't be coming down quite as
Speaker 2: they promised. Have a look.
Speaker 11: There is likely to be a revision of those net overseas.
Speaker 12: Migration forecast because of those fewer departures.
Speaker 5: So it will be over four hundred thousand most likely?
Speaker 13: Is that fair?
Speaker 7: Will that take them in the usual way?
Speaker 2: All right? Joe Hilde Brown? What are the reasons for
Speaker 2: this revised forecast.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of reasons.
Speaker 8: Firstly, the overall number is coming down, So it was
Speaker 8: something like well over five and a half hundred thousand
Speaker 8: in September last year. It's now about five hundred and
Speaker 8: nine thousand, so it is coming down very slowly. It's
Speaker 8: still obviously too high for most people's liking. And as
Speaker 8: the Treasurer has said, the problem with the forecast is
Speaker 8: not so much the number of people they predicted coming in,
Speaker 8: but the number of people leaving. It turns out Australia
Speaker 8: is in fact a very nice place to live in,
Speaker 8: which will surprise many on the extreme level to keep
Speaker 8: going on about how racist and terrible we are, and
Speaker 8: so people are staying, they're not leaving, and so they
Speaker 8: seem as the treasure is said to have got the
Speaker 8: number of arrivals about right, but fewer people are leaving
Speaker 8: than they expected. But obviously, with all migration policy, it
Speaker 8: is a difficult sort of needle to thread it. You
Speaker 8: can't just sort of turn it on and off like
Speaker 8: a tap. It takes a very long time. You're projecting,
Speaker 8: obviously next year's arrivals when you're making the announcements this year.
Speaker 8: And of course we still need skilled migrants, for example, to.
Speaker 7: Build our houses.
Speaker 8: There are shortages in the construction sector, and we also
Speaker 8: need international students to spend all their money here and help.
Speaker 2: At least the universities figure yeah, at least the universities
Speaker 2: want more international students. But James, I think part of
Speaker 2: the issue politically is that the Albanezi government never told
Speaker 2: anyone it was pursuing this big Australia agenda. They never
Speaker 2: said they were going to increase the population to the
Speaker 2: levels that they did, just like in so many other areas,
Speaker 2: and they did it in part, I think, to make
Speaker 2: sure that we didn't go into a recession. That's right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And you hear from a lot of Treasury officials
Speaker 9: that say, if it wasn't for these big migration numbers,
Speaker 9: the financial position would be very different. So we're effectively
Speaker 9: in this sort of zombie economy at the moment. However,
Speaker 9: I think the politician that stands up and I think
Speaker 9: this is a massive issue heading into the next election
Speaker 9: and says enough of this. It's a short term fix.
Speaker 9: The arguments about international students and skill shortages. What are
Speaker 9: we doing to get Australians skilled up. There's a million
Speaker 9: people on job seeker and unemployment benefits. We haven't made
Speaker 9: a dent in that number under this labor government. We
Speaker 9: need to start looking after our own first and for
Speaker 9: every person that we bring in, they're need a hospital bed,
Speaker 9: they need a school for their kids and everything else.
Speaker 9: So yeah, for mine, this is the top in the
Speaker 9: top three issues heading into the next election. And if
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton continues on this track, he's going to get
Speaker 9: some serious traction in the electric because people you read
Speaker 9: those stats, think about that out loud.
Speaker 10: Twenty seven million people.
Speaker 9: We were at twenty five million not all that long ago,
Speaker 9: and eighty three percent driven by migrants. I mean, is
Speaker 9: that the Australia that we want? And I think the
Speaker 9: politician that stands up and says enough is enough will
Speaker 9: be hail to hear. We have to start looking after
Speaker 9: our own, skilling our own people up and not relying
Speaker 9: on foreigners to fix skill shortages. Is not a short
Speaker 9: term fix, but it's a fix that is definitely worth pursuing.
Speaker 2: What with some economists as saying that we actually need
Speaker 2: to pause or lower migration to about ninety thousand in
Speaker 2: a year just to let the housing supply catch up
Speaker 2: because we are in such crisis at the moment. Now,
Speaker 2: just to end, you'll recall that New South Wales Green's
Speaker 2: politician Jenny Leong was slammed when she made this anti
Speaker 2: Semitic comment, have a.
Speaker 12: Look because their tentacles reach in to the areas that
Speaker 12: try and influence power, and I think that we need
Speaker 12: to call that out.
Speaker 7: And expose it.
Speaker 2: So accusing Jewish groups of having their tentacles in everything
Speaker 2: Green's politician Jenny leon and her comment was correctly widely condemned,
Speaker 2: even by the Prime Minister. She was then taken to
Speaker 2: the Human Rights Commission by a Jewish individual who I've
Speaker 2: been in contact with. They were in mediation, it was ongoing.
Speaker 2: Lawyers were involved. We now know thanks to Tams and
Speaker 2: Rose in The Guardian that as part of the settlement,
Speaker 2: Jenny Leong agreed to go attend a free guided tour
Speaker 2: of the Sydney Jewish Holocaust Museum and donate two thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to it. Now she didn't just agree to go
Speaker 2: to the Holocaust Museum voluntarily, by the way, it was
Speaker 2: after lengthy legal mediation sessions. Now, this whole thing has
Speaker 2: reminded me of this clip from the Israeli American comedian Modi.
Speaker 14: Cancel culture is anti Semitic. You say anything about Latino's
Speaker 14: Asian Black trans Gate, You're done. You've finished. There's no
Speaker 14: second chance. When someone says something bad against Jews, the worst,
Speaker 14: the worst that can happen is they make them visit
Speaker 14: a Holocaust museum.
Speaker 2: It's so true, Joe, what do you think. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of truth to this. Oh, the penalty I have
Speaker 2: to go to the Holocaust Museum.
Speaker 8: It's so python esk, isn't it. And I one of
Speaker 8: the things I really despise is this kind of you know, Oh,
Speaker 8: I'm always open to learning into increasing my education and
Speaker 8: understanding of these issues. As though prior to this no
Speaker 8: one knew the Holocaust happened, No one knew what happens
Speaker 8: when you start to characterize Jewish people as animals or
Speaker 8: as the head of a sort of global cabal that
Speaker 8: has its quite unquite tentacles in every sort of center
Speaker 8: of society.
Speaker 7: I mean this is.
Speaker 8: Literally Nazi propaganda and the idea that you would not
Speaker 8: know that this was what led up to the greatest
Speaker 8: humanitarian disaster, the greatest active genocide. I mean, they banded
Speaker 8: the word genocide around now, but the greatest active genocide
Speaker 8: in all of human history was fueled by these kinds
Speaker 8: of tropes. It was fueled by conspiracy theories about the
Speaker 8: protocols of the Elders of Zion that was spouted in
Speaker 8: Nazi Germany, in fascist circles in Spain and Italy in
Speaker 8: the early half of the twentieth century, and of course
Speaker 8: in communist regimes in the USSR. So it's staggering to
Speaker 8: think that, you know, you could just go on a
Speaker 8: quick day trip to the museum, which is free by
Speaker 8: the complimentary you're not going to have to pay the
Speaker 8: entry fee, and and suddenly, all right, now.
Speaker 7: The Holocaust happened because of all that stuff.
Speaker 8: And then at the same time she's also donated two
Speaker 8: thousand dollars to another.
Speaker 2: Sort of Yes, but that's an anti.
Speaker 8: Hawkish group of Jewish people who she's sort.
Speaker 2: Of it's basically a pro Palaesoni that.
Speaker 7: To repeat, all her sort of clothes exactly so it's
Speaker 7: not apology.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, we're out of time, Joe Hildebrand, James
Speaker 2: Willis and thank you both so much. And by the way,
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen any of Mody's clips, they're so funny.
Speaker 2: He's got an hour up on YouTube. You should look
Speaker 2: it up, because sometimes you do need to laugh about
Speaker 2: this stuff, because otherwise it's just so depressing. Now a
Speaker 2: new war A new war front has officially opened up
Speaker 2: between Israel and Hezbillah in Lebanon. Israel has launched widespread
Speaker 2: strikes on Hesbela, striking around two hundred and ninety targets
Speaker 2: as well as thousands of rocket launcher barrels, but it
Speaker 2: only did so after sending warning messages to Lebanese civilians.
Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettia, who has vowed that Israel
Speaker 2: will take whatever action's necessary so that families from northern
Speaker 2: Israel can return home.
Speaker 15: In the subsequent months, they haven't stopped for a single
Speaker 15: day attacking us. No country can accept the wanton rocketing
Speaker 15: of its cities.
Speaker 7: We can't accept it either.
Speaker 15: We will take whatever action is necessary to restore security
Speaker 15: and to bring our people safe back to their homes.
Speaker 2: Hesbela has fired more than one hundred rockets deep into
Speaker 2: Israel just over the weekend, but as we know, eight
Speaker 2: thousand since October seven. And meanwhile, Israel has killed Hesbela
Speaker 2: leaders in an s strike on Friday, and at the
Speaker 2: time they were killed, they were reportedly planning another October
Speaker 2: seven like invasion. Now, meanwhile, there's also reports and I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask Sharon Haskell about these in a moment,
Speaker 2: that Netiyao who has said privately that he believes around
Speaker 2: half of the one hundred hostages in Gaza are still alive,
Speaker 2: so half not alive, and he's reportedly looking at what
Speaker 2: action he can take in northern Gaza. In northern Gaza,
Speaker 2: Israel has also rated the Al Jazeera officers in the
Speaker 2: West Bank, issuing a forty five day closure order, and
Speaker 2: Israel claims that the Al Jazeera bureau has been inciting
Speaker 2: terror and supporting terrorist activities. Let's bring it now, Israeli
Speaker 2: politician Sharon Haskell, Sharon, thank you very much for joining
Speaker 2: us again tonight. So much to talk about. Let's start
Speaker 2: with the war against Hezbolah. Now we're hearing that resources
Speaker 2: are being diverted from Gaza to the north of Israel.
Speaker 2: Are you expecting a major war now between Israe and
Speaker 2: Hesbala in Lebanon.
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, I don't think we can avoid that. Shary
Speaker 1: I was on your show about a month ago, three
Speaker 1: months ago, six months ago, and I think also eleven
Speaker 1: months ago, and all of that time, for eleven months,
Speaker 1: Chris Bella has been attacking Israel with rockets, civilians, destroying
Speaker 1: towns in Israel, massacring children and elderly people who fled
Speaker 1: from their homes or refugees here in Israel, tens of thousands.
Speaker 1: And no matter how much pressure the international community is
Speaker 1: putting on Risbella, including France, in the United States and
Speaker 1: other friends, who were trying for months to negotiate an agreement,
Speaker 1: unfortunately Risbella is not interested in that, and therefore we
Speaker 1: are left with only one choice, which is full confrontation.
Speaker 1: I've said on your show, I think eleven months ago,
Speaker 1: and that was even before one soldier set foot in Gaza.
Speaker 1: That was after the seventh of October massacre, when Chris
Speaker 1: Balad started firing rockets towards Israel. Why why not even
Speaker 1: a single soldier set foot yet in Gaza. It is
Speaker 1: because this war is a war with Iran. This is
Speaker 1: a war of radical Islam who is fighting our ideas,
Speaker 1: our community, our culture, the way that we live in
Speaker 1: a democratic and free society.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: This issue is about a far wider.
Speaker 2: And regional war.
Speaker 1: And so unfortunately, as I said eleven months ago, we
Speaker 1: do not want to see the sights of Jabalia in Beirut.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately not leaving us with many options.
Speaker 2: So have you been brief to you know, you're a
Speaker 2: member of the Israeli parliament, the Kines said, have you
Speaker 2: got other information you can share with us on what
Speaker 2: the endgame is here? You know, are you expecting that
Speaker 2: to be widespread or even wider strikes? Despite the United
Speaker 2: States trying to de escalate the situation, tell Israel that
Speaker 2: you know it shouldn't defend itself against Hasbelah.
Speaker 1: Well, there's only there's a very simple step that can
Speaker 1: be made in order to stop this escalation and this confrontation,
Speaker 1: and it is that Chris Blad will go back to
Speaker 1: the litany line, the resolution, uh you know, of the
Speaker 1: of the security accounts on the United Nations that that
Speaker 1: brought up that Chris Ballad cannot advance more than that
Speaker 1: line was broken, and so if they want the de escalation,
Speaker 1: they need to go back behind this line. We've said
Speaker 1: a numerous times throughout.
Speaker 3: All these months.
Speaker 1: We need that in order for our people, our families
Speaker 1: to be able to go back to their home safely
Speaker 1: without being worried that their home is going to be
Speaker 1: hit by RPGs, by missiles. Children that goes to play
Speaker 1: soccer won't be massacred in the middle of the game.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the only thing that we want. We
Speaker 1: want to be able to go back to our life
Speaker 1: living safely and securely, and for that, kiz Balan needs
Speaker 1: to go back behind the tiny river line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sharon, I've spoken to you before on the program
Speaker 2: about how the Australian government has given almost three thousand
Speaker 2: tourist visas visitor visas to gardens without proper security checks.
Speaker 2: We've now learned just on the weekend that some of
Speaker 2: the security checks actually didn't happen until after the gardens
Speaker 2: had arrived in Australia. Given your intimate knowledge of the situation,
Speaker 2: how concerned would you be about the Palestinians arriving here
Speaker 2: without security checks about whether they might support hamas or
Speaker 2: the October seven attacks, so.
Speaker 1: I would be extremely worried. I mean, this is Australia importing,
Speaker 1: you know, the problems of the Middle East. We are
Speaker 1: at war and we're not in a territorial war.
Speaker 2: This is a religious and cultural war.
Speaker 1: This is radical Islam against Western civilization.
Speaker 2: And instead of trying.
Speaker 1: To deal with the core of this problem, Australia is
Speaker 1: actually importing that problem into your own country. And I've
Speaker 1: seen the rise of anti Semitism in Australia. We've seen
Speaker 1: different attack who were prevented last minute.
Speaker 2: People could have been killed.
Speaker 1: And I think that the Australian government hasn't the penny
Speaker 1: didn't drop yet. They don't understand it yet, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: they might understand it when it's too late. You see
Speaker 1: terror cells who are already set in Europe and South
Speaker 1: Central America, in America, in Canada, I mean the place
Speaker 1: where Chris Ballad go to collect donations, the best place
Speaker 1: for them is Canada. It's the center of you know,
Speaker 1: collecting donations for his Ballad.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: The government has to have enough information about the individuals
Speaker 1: that they haven't been part of terrorist group of plotting,
Speaker 1: of murdering, of executing, of burning that they don't import
Speaker 1: those radical ideas into Australia. Making sure that women's and
Speaker 1: children who have peace, who want to find a better
Speaker 1: life that can assimilate into the beautiful Australian community in
Speaker 1: the country, that's what they actually want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a highly concerning situation where should not take
Speaker 2: our peaceful country for granted. As Sharon Haskell, always great
Speaker 2: having you on the show, Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Now still to come, Labor losing the cost of living
Speaker 2: debate as more poles spell bad news for alban Easy
Speaker 2: Labor's primary now in Gillard Territory during the carbon tax
Speaker 2: broken promise. Well, Cameron Milner and David Gazard will tell
Speaker 2: me what this means for the upcoming election that's coming
Speaker 2: up after the break. Welcome back. Well, plenty more to
Speaker 2: get through tonight, So let's bring in my regular Monday
Speaker 2: Political Insiders panel, Bill Shotton's former chief of staff and
Speaker 2: former Labor State secretary Cameron Milner and John Howard's former
Speaker 2: Press secretary David Gazzard. Welcome to you both. Well, let's
Speaker 2: turn to the polling today. We saw both the Resolve
Speaker 2: poll in the Herald and News poll which spelled more
Speaker 2: bad news for alban Easy, Cameron, do you think the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister would be feeling the heat given the polls
Speaker 2: are cementing that it does look like at best a
Speaker 2: hung parliament.
Speaker 12: Well, this guy must have the thicker skin in Australia
Speaker 12: because he hasn't hurt the message from the people on
Speaker 12: the street. The people are supposed to be out meeting Shari.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's no great surprise the rest of us
Speaker 12: who are talking to Australians understand just how badly this
Speaker 12: government's handling things. Melissa government, who has an answer for
Speaker 12: nothing and an excuse for everything.
Speaker 2: It's a little wonder the poles are so bad.
Speaker 12: But what it shows both the resolved pole the news
Speaker 12: pole is that Labour's only pathway to government is with
Speaker 12: the Greens and with the Teals and Albanize better front
Speaker 12: up to Australia honestly before the election, explained how he's
Speaker 12: going to do that, not excuse I'll trust me on afterwards,
Speaker 12: explain how he's going to government with the Greens, because
Speaker 12: that's what these poles show.
Speaker 2: Chari and your column in the Nightly a few days ago,
Speaker 2: you know, said that Alberizy does need to preference the
Speaker 2: Greens last, and he needs to come out and say this,
Speaker 2: David Gazard.
Speaker 12: There's still they're a deeply extremist party.
Speaker 2: They are indeed, David, there's still a long way to
Speaker 2: go though, until Peter Darton makes up the ground to
Speaker 2: put him in a position to win minority or let
Speaker 2: alone majority government. I mean the coalition's just so far
Speaker 2: behind on the seats.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's I think that's right.
Speaker 11: I mean the most likely passway forward at the moment
Speaker 11: is you see a minority.
Speaker 10: Government either way. That said, there's a long way to go.
Speaker 11: Most people don't make up their mind until very late
Speaker 11: in the campaign, and we haven't seen any policies yet
Speaker 11: really effectively from the coalition.
Speaker 10: So once that starts and people start making up their mind.
Speaker 11: But you know, there's only been one one term government
Speaker 11: in Australia's history since federation, the thirty one scull And government,
Speaker 11: So just on sheer history alone, you'd have to say
Speaker 11: that most people would be very careful about switching their
Speaker 11: vote this time round. That said, you've seen a compression
Speaker 11: of voting habits at state elections, biggest wings, shorter durations
Speaker 11: of government, so you know, this landscape has changed a
Speaker 11: lot since the Scoleon government, no doubt about that, since.
Speaker 2: Nearly one hundred years ago. Yeah, and Labour's primary anyway
Speaker 2: the last election was just thirty three percent, a record lows,
Speaker 2: and it's only fallen since then. Now. Peter Dutton gave
Speaker 2: a major speech on nuclear energy policy today. Cameron, the
Speaker 2: opposition leader, said that if the state premiers supported his plan,
Speaker 2: he'd be able to get it up and running pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: But the issue is that most of the states at
Speaker 2: this point anyway don't support it.
Speaker 12: Well, that's right, and I think even David Christoph Fuley
Speaker 12: in Queensland said that he won't go nuclear even if
Speaker 12: he wins the Queensland say election. So yes, there's that problem,
Speaker 12: but I think the voters are making the change. Heyreshari,
Speaker 12: I mean nineteen out of twenty countries around the world
Speaker 12: used nuclear power perfectly safely. I mean the French get
Speaker 12: to Paris Accord numbers because they've got nuclear energy for
Speaker 12: goodness sake. So I think it's changing. I think what's
Speaker 12: changing is when Albo was a young bloke running around
Speaker 12: a T shirt with a placard saying no nukes. That
Speaker 12: might have worked sixty plus Now he's not for the times.
Speaker 12: Young people aren't fearful of nuclear energy and they're becoming
Speaker 12: a huge voting cohort. And I think on the issue
Speaker 12: of nuclear Dutton's got it right. It's the future getting
Speaker 12: to next zero by twenty fifty, along with renewables everything
Speaker 12: else we're doing as well.
Speaker 2: I think that's right that the fear factor isn't there anymore,
Speaker 2: David Gazzard, because there's what thirty other countries around the
Speaker 2: world who do use nuclear as part of their energy mix.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 11: And the seal was willing to truly broken on this
Speaker 11: by Anthony Albanezi himself when he backed the Orchest Plan,
Speaker 11: which is going to put nuclear submarines into our harbors
Speaker 11: over the next.
Speaker 10: Sort of two decades.
Speaker 11: So it's pretty hard to say, well, we won't let
Speaker 11: you have a nuclear power station anywhere near you, but
Speaker 11: we're going to have sailors sitting on top of one
Speaker 11: in submarines.
Speaker 10: That we've endorsed and paid for. So I think Cameron's right.
Speaker 11: And the test of what he has just said is
Speaker 11: the fact that Peter Dutton has made multiple announcements about
Speaker 11: nuclear so he clearly sees it as an itery process
Speaker 11: that he's winning him votes, not losing in votes between
Speaker 11: now and the election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I.
Speaker 12: Can absolutely right, David, I think right. I was going
Speaker 12: to say, I mean, you know, you know Peter Dutton's
Speaker 12: nuclear power plants are going to be much further away
Speaker 12: from population and community, and yet you know Albo's nuclear
Speaker 12: subs are going to be seeing under the Sydney have
Speaker 12: a bridge. I mean, you know, if you're fearful about nuclear,
Speaker 12: the orchest subs are a far worse problem. So no,
Speaker 12: I think David's exactly right. I mean, I think the
Speaker 12: fear fact has gone out and Pete Dutton has been
Speaker 12: up front, and yet the polls are still going his
Speaker 12: way even after announcing this nuclear policy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and look it gives another potential solution in
Speaker 2: any case, to the energy crisis in this country. All right,
Speaker 2: Camra Milner, David Gazard really appreciate your time. Now still
Speaker 2: to come a vote of no confidence in Mark Scott
Speaker 2: as calls grow louder for him to resign. One academic
Speaker 2: would join me to explain why staff and students one
Speaker 2: him gone. Donald Trump reveals his next move if he
Speaker 2: doesn't win in November. That's all coming up.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 2: University of Sydney Vice Chancellor Mark Scott is tonight under
Speaker 2: pressure to resign after his failure to tackle anti semitism
Speaker 2: on campus. Here he was giving a long awaited apology
Speaker 2: at a Senate inquiry on Friday.
Speaker 16: And the testimonials are heartbreaking and unacceptable and for that
Speaker 16: I am sorry. Students have felt unsafe or unwelcome. If
Speaker 16: that has been their lived experience, if that is their testimony,
Speaker 16: then we have failed them. Yes, well, no, that's exactly right, cinema,
Speaker 16: and that's why it've happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, And joining me now is former University of Sydney
Speaker 2: academic Andy Smi, who left in February after twelve years
Speaker 2: citing antisemitism. Andy, thank you very much for your time tonight.
Speaker 2: Now you're not the only academic to leave the university
Speaker 2: in over antisemitism. There have been several others. How distressing
Speaker 2: has this been for academics.
Speaker 13: For academics and professional stuff. There have been I'm aware
Speaker 13: of seven that have resigned from the university since February
Speaker 13: and that have stated anti semitism was a part of
Speaker 13: their reason to leave.
Speaker 2: And it's a very big decision.
Speaker 13: Sydney's got a very.
Speaker 2: Very good reputation.
Speaker 13: The idea that you're going to leave Sydney because you
Speaker 13: know you've maybe that's the pinnacle of your career where
Speaker 13: you've wanted to end up, and that you decide that
Speaker 13: you need to leave because you don't feel comfortable safe
Speaker 13: on campus. It's a massive decision.
Speaker 2: Now you're speaking out on behalf of sixty Jewish and
Speaker 2: non Jewish staff who are fed up with how Mark
Speaker 2: Scott has handled this issue. You're also one of twenty
Speaker 2: three people who've lodged legal action or acclaim rather with
Speaker 2: Safe Work New South Wales against the university management for
Speaker 2: psychological harm to the racism on campus. What are your
Speaker 2: main allegations against the university leadership.
Speaker 13: I have to first clarify the sixty. We are a
Speaker 13: group of sixty people and we meet together and support
Speaker 13: each other. I can't claim I'm speaking on behalf of
Speaker 13: all of them, and I'm speaking on behalf of me.
Speaker 13: And in some cases you know there are people who
Speaker 13: are very comfortable that they don't feel comfortable to speak
Speaker 13: themselves and that I am speaking for them, but I
Speaker 13: certainly can't claim to be speaking for all of them.
Speaker 13: It's I think for us or for me, the issue is,
Speaker 13: so I left the university in February, and since then
Speaker 13: I've continued to be involved and support my colleagues because
Speaker 13: so many of them don't feel able to speak up
Speaker 13: for themselves. And so what that's meant is that there've
Speaker 13: been meetings that we've gone to, there've been letters that
Speaker 13: we've written, we've written to the media, we've put in
Speaker 13: claims to safe work, and those things have largely gone
Speaker 13: in my name because they can't sack me.
Speaker 2: I've already left. So courageous of you, by the way,
Speaker 2: to speak out and even to leave your job over it.
Speaker 2: What did you make of Mark Scott's formal apology at
Speaker 2: the Senate inquiry?
Speaker 13: Look, Funnily enough, I printed out the page and it
Speaker 13: was exactly the segment that you aired. And for me,
Speaker 13: it's the fact that he's saying, if if students have
Speaker 13: felt unsafe, if they've that's been their lived experience, he
Speaker 13: has not accepted, as far as I'm concerned, he has
Speaker 13: not accepted that this is a reality. It's not an if, right,
Speaker 13: there are people who've been Why does he think people
Speaker 13: quit the university, leave their jobs, students who choose to
Speaker 13: transfer to another university. It's not the if I might
Speaker 13: feel a little bit uncomfortable tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It's because it.
Speaker 13: Is unbearable and it is making me unhappy, and therefore
Speaker 13: I need to seek and go elsewhere. There's no ifs
Speaker 13: in there, and he needs to embrace that. My feeling
Speaker 13: is we've met with him multiple times. We've told him
Speaker 13: the issues, we've told him the problems. He's known what
Speaker 13: was going on. It's not an IF and he's done.
Speaker 2: Wasn't apologetic in those private meetings. No, well, minimally he
Speaker 2: acknowled it. Resign Now.
Speaker 13: I think something needs to change. I can't see that
Speaker 13: Mark Scott is able to make that change. But if
Speaker 13: the university at large can put systems in place that
Speaker 13: allow him to do his job, yep, that's what needs
Speaker 13: to happen. He cannot continue to do what he's been
Speaker 13: doing for the last eleven months without something changing.
Speaker 2: And we should point out that actually it was an
Speaker 2: unsafe environment, not just for Jews, but for all students
Speaker 2: who had to turn out, particularly when there were his
Speaker 2: but to REA members on campus carrying flags that were
Speaker 2: interpreted as terror flags, you know, chanting across campus. Right,
Speaker 2: Andy Smith, thank you very much for speaking up.
Speaker 13: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Now I'm more to come after the break. Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: edges ahead of Trump in the latest poll. So what's
Speaker 2: behind her rise? Plus the latest endorsement for Trump that
Speaker 2: does have Democrats worried? All that with Koshagada next Well,
Speaker 2: celebrities are lining up to sing the praises for Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris during her interview with Oprah Winfrey. Have a look.
Speaker 17: This has been overwhelming to have the privilege to sit
Speaker 17: in and listen to the testimony of people here. Hello
Speaker 17: President Paris.
Speaker 8: Yeah, kind of going from a stop Trump mode into
Speaker 8: a go Kamala mode.
Speaker 7: People starting to you know, really hear what you are about.
Speaker 1: I just want to I want to bring my daughters
Speaker 1: to the White House to meet this black woman president.
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Koshagada joins us now kosher So Kamal
Speaker 2: has now got the endorsement of Taylor Swift, Meryl Streep, Oprah.
Speaker 2: But most voters don't necessarily follow what Hollywood stars think,
Speaker 2: do they.
Speaker 18: They do not. It comes across as a little bit
Speaker 18: I think out of touch.
Speaker 2: Shari.
Speaker 18: What this election from an issue set perspective is all about.
Speaker 18: As you know, is the economy, inflation, price at the gas, pomp,
Speaker 18: food on the table, and security, crime in the border
Speaker 18: and people coming out of Beverly Hills and wherever they
Speaker 18: were skyping in from. Doesn't do anything to move the
Speaker 18: needle in terms of voter's minds on those issues in
Speaker 18: those states. OPRAH does have a little bit of sway
Speaker 18: still with suburban women voters, which is a group that
Speaker 18: Trump typically struggles with. So maybe there's something there. But
Speaker 18: I don't think the celebrities are going to make one iota.
Speaker 7: Of a difference.
Speaker 2: I mean, the contrast between the cost of living crisis
Speaker 2: being the biggest issue in the United States and you
Speaker 2: have these multi millionaire celebrities telling people how to vote,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think a lot of people in
Speaker 2: the rost belts would shake their head at that. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Democrats have suffered a blow in Michigan. This is
Speaker 2: obviously a case swing state. The mayor of the Muslim
Speaker 2: majority city, he has endorsed Trump at Kosher how concerned
Speaker 2: both of the parties about Michigan.
Speaker 18: I think this is quite significant. So Michigan for a
Speaker 18: long time, as it is a key state. Trump won
Speaker 18: it in twenty sixteen and that hadn't happened in forty
Speaker 18: years since Ronald Reagan. He wonted versus Hillary Clinton and
Speaker 18: then lost it narrowly against Biden. So Michigan in many
Speaker 18: ways as a bellwether state, and it does have a
Speaker 18: significant Muslim population, and the whole of the war in
Speaker 18: Israel and Gaza on that issue has been a big
Speaker 18: fracturing fault line issue in the Democrat Party. She Kama
Speaker 18: has tried to walk the line with that, but I
Speaker 18: think this is quite significant because it is showing a
Speaker 18: little bit of the fracturing of that base in those counties.
Speaker 18: And if Michigan were to swing the other way, I
Speaker 18: think that's Aboul's trouble for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, donand Tromp meanwhile has rode out running for another
Speaker 2: election if he does lose in November. But either way, Kosher,
Speaker 2: the MAGA movement will, I mean it has permanently changed
Speaker 2: the Republican Party.
Speaker 18: Yes, I think Trump's legacy has been embossed, I would
Speaker 18: say on the Republican Party, even though understandably at eighty
Speaker 18: two he probably wouldn't be seeking to do this.
Speaker 7: For what would be a.
Speaker 18: Fourth time, he has remade the policy platform He's paid
Speaker 18: the way for the MAGA type people, from the Vackramaswami
Speaker 18: to jd Vance to others, and you know even just
Speaker 18: the coorts that he appointed the federal judges. They're going
Speaker 18: to be on the bench for thirty to forty years.
Speaker 18: And he and Mitch McConnell together reshaping the federal court
Speaker 18: is another lasting legacy from Trump. So even though he
Speaker 18: doesn't run personally, I think the Republican Party has forever
Speaker 18: been changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in DAED it has. And of course we are
Speaker 2: seeing polling that looks like Kamala Harris has stretched her
Speaker 2: lead against Trump. This is the latest NBC News poll
Speaker 2: among registered voters, and her popularity also surging sixteen points
Speaker 2: since July. But look, we just don't know yet. I mean,
Speaker 2: the polls are always up and down. The polls never
Speaker 2: predicted Trump's win against Hillary Clinton's still a couple of
Speaker 2: months ago. Koshagada, thank you very much for your time. Tonight.
Speaker 2: Now tomorrow the show, I've got former Labor Minister Mike Kelly.
Speaker 2: He's going to be speaking out against Penny Wong and
Speaker 2: the Labor Party. But right now, here's Paul Murray