WEBVTT - Sharri | 23 September

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome to the program tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel is on the verge of a full blown war

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<v Speaker 2>with hesblah this as the United Nations absurdly claims the

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<v Speaker 2>targeted pager attacks could be a war crime. So much

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<v Speaker 2>news from the Middle East. Israeli politician Sharon Haskell would

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<v Speaker 2>join me tonight, plus What's in store for the next

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<v Speaker 2>federal election as Albanese's primary support falls to Gillard era

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<v Speaker 2>levels during the carbon tax lie and the academic leading

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<v Speaker 2>the calls for former ABC boss Mark Scott to resign

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<v Speaker 2>from the University of Sydney, Will tonight be on this program?

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<v Speaker 2>And Kamala Harris's Oprah interview mocked as Hollywood elites fawn

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<v Speaker 2>over the VP. I have those reactions later in the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but first tonight. Woolwards and Cohls have been a Q

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<v Speaker 2>used of offering fake discounts on hundreds of grocery items,

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<v Speaker 2>from cheese to toothpaste, chocolates to lozenges. The cop on

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<v Speaker 2>the beat to the a triple C Today's stun the

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<v Speaker 2>market by launching legal action against the supermarket giants. The

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<v Speaker 2>case against Woolies and Coals is that they claimed they

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<v Speaker 2>were dropping prices on more than two hundred products each

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<v Speaker 2>when in fact they were increasing the price. Here was

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<v Speaker 2>the A Triple C Chair Gina Cascottlieb.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, the A triples ce alleges that the price discounts

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<v Speaker 3>as promoted wor misleading because the discount was illusory. For

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<v Speaker 3>many years, each of us, as consumers will have seen

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<v Speaker 3>the campaigns of Woolworths and calls that have led us

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<v Speaker 3>to understand that the prices dropped and down down prices

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<v Speaker 3>promotions relate to sustain to reductions in regular pricing, so to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be specific about it, Woolies and coals are accused of

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<v Speaker 2>raising the price of items by up to forty three

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<v Speaker 2>percent for a small period. They then lower it back

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<v Speaker 2>to either the original cost and yet claim that it

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<v Speaker 2>had been a major discount. In the case of Ario biscuits,

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<v Speaker 2>an example the A Triple C chair gave today, they

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<v Speaker 2>were originally three dollars fifty for a family pack. Woolwors

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<v Speaker 2>then lifted the price to five dollars. They then dropped

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<v Speaker 2>it back by just fifty cents to four dollars fifty

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<v Speaker 2>to claim that it had been discounted, even though that

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<v Speaker 2>price was about thirty percent higher than the original. The

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister spoke about this and he said these were

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<v Speaker 2>all serious claims.

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<v Speaker 4>Today the A Triple C has alleged that Woolwors and

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<v Speaker 4>Coals temporarily increased the prices of two hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 4>six will Worse products and two hundred and forty five

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<v Speaker 4>Coals products for short periods of time before placing them

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<v Speaker 4>on prices dropped and down down promotions. These are serious

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<v Speaker 4>allegations that the A triop'll see is bringing before the courts.

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<v Speaker 4>If this is found to be true, it's completely unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not the Australian spirit. Customers don't deserve to

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<v Speaker 4>be treated as fools by the supermarkets.

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<v Speaker 2>The PM was loving this. Let's be clear, the misleading

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<v Speaker 2>conduct by Coles and Wilworths would be welcome news for him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been trying to turn the supermarkets into villains in

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<v Speaker 2>this cost of living crisis, and the PM took full

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<v Speaker 2>political advantage. He rushed to hold a press conference to

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<v Speaker 2>re announce a recommendation from Craig Emerson's review. It was

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<v Speaker 2>completed months ago. Albaneze said he'd have a mandatory grocery

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<v Speaker 2>code to find the supermarkets multi million dollars for serious breaches.

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<v Speaker 4>We know there's more to do and my government wants

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure that Australian consumers get a fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Go and the Coalition today also welcomed this bombshell a

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<v Speaker 2>Triple C court case.

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<v Speaker 5>The home grain inflation is bearing down on every Australian household,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly when it comes to groceries. It's crucial that we

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<v Speaker 5>have fair and transparent price advertising and if there's been

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<v Speaker 5>misleading discounting, that's completely unacceptable and appropriate action should be taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Politically, Albanezi needed today's move by the a Triple C

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<v Speaker 2>because at the moment, voters are blaming the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>for the cost of living crisis and for the inflation

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<v Speaker 2>remaining sticky resolve. Polling in the Herald Today shows that

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's primary vote is at record lows in every state.

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's primary is far lower than the co coalitions, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's lower even than at the last election when Labour's

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<v Speaker 2>primary then was it historic lows. Now Labor is now

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<v Speaker 2>in Gillard era territory during the period over the broken

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<v Speaker 2>promise on the carbon tax. Yet for Peter Dutton to

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<v Speaker 2>win the next election, he needs to get the coalition's

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<v Speaker 2>primary vote above forty percent and at the moment he's

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<v Speaker 2>only managing that in Queensland. And to do this to

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<v Speaker 2>really get a lift, Peter Dutton needs to take full

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<v Speaker 2>ownership of the cost of living crisis and he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to pinnot on the Prime Minister, just

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<v Speaker 2>like Albenze did on Scott Morrison when there'd only been

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<v Speaker 2>one rate rise before the last election. Now, in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>the likelihood of a hung parliament is cementing for Albanesi,

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<v Speaker 2>and a hung parliament with the radical Greens who are

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<v Speaker 2>fueling our antisemitism crisis and some of the Tials who

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<v Speaker 2>aren't much better, would be highly alarming. Given the Greens

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<v Speaker 2>want a seat at the table, they're going to make

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<v Speaker 2>demands in the government. Were allowing this to happen, allowing

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<v Speaker 2>them to help run the country would be grotesque all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to the Middle East, where Israel is on the

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<v Speaker 2>verge of war with Lebanon. Hesbelah has bombarded Israel with

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<v Speaker 2>more than eight thousand rockets since the October seven attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>It also killed twelve Israeli children. Israel finally hits back

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<v Speaker 2>with the genius pager explosions and a series of strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now and yet the world is outraged that Israel would

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<v Speaker 2>dare retaliate against Hesbelah. Well, I must must have missed

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<v Speaker 2>the anger against Hesbelah for the eight thousand rockets that

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<v Speaker 2>it fired against Israeli citizens. They weren't at all targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>Those rocket attacks. They had the aim of killing innocent families.

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<v Speaker 2>But when Israel dared to try eliminate the terror threat

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<v Speaker 2>so families can move back home to northern Israel or

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<v Speaker 2>the humanitarian groups are furious now the pager and the

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<v Speaker 2>walkie talkie attacks, they were the most sophisticated and targeted attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Only the people holding the pages were injured. In the

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of cases, only four civilians were killed four

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<v Speaker 2>and Israel was tracking each of the individuals holding the pages,

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<v Speaker 2>according to news reports. Now, the reaction from the humanitarian groups, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so outrageous that it's almost hilarious to see supposed

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<v Speaker 2>human rights groups become so deeply upset about terrorists being killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Amnesty International sent out a media release today demand an

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into the pager and walkie talkie attacks. They're calling

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<v Speaker 2>them war crimes. Seriously, have a look, Amnesty said, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote the attacks were carried out indiscriminately and would

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<v Speaker 2>be unlawful against international humanitarian law and should be investigated

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<v Speaker 2>as war crimes. It's a joke, except it's not a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>They're being serious. And the United Nations overnight also said

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<v Speaker 2>this could be a war crime. Killing terrorists have a look.

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<v Speaker 6>Simultaneous targeting of thousands of individuals, whether civilians or members

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<v Speaker 6>of armed groups, without knowledge as to who was in

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<v Speaker 6>possession of the targeted devices, their location, and their surroundings

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<v Speaker 6>at the time of the attack violates Internation human rights

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<v Speaker 6>law and as applicable international humanitarian law.

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<v Speaker 2>These organizations have truly lost all rationality and credibility when

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<v Speaker 2>they oppose the killing of terrorists. And Penny Wang meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>sees this all as a reason to give millions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars more to the Hamas controlled Gaza. She announced today

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<v Speaker 2>a further ten million dollars for Gaza, taking the total

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer funds to more than eighty two million dollars since

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<v Speaker 2>October seven. Our hard earned taxpayer money, and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>accountability for our taxpayer funds. There's no legitimate agency on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground ensuring that there's no misuse of the money.

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<v Speaker 2>An Honra, as we know, has a long history of

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<v Speaker 2>links to Hamas. There's little to show in Gaza for

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<v Speaker 2>the billions of dollars in international aid over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>apart from the world class tunnel network, which currently holds

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred innocent hostages. The media reports are that Etanyahu

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<v Speaker 2>overnight said he believes around half are still alive. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>with all this aid flowing in from around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>is it any wonder that the Harmas billionaires simply get

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<v Speaker 2>richer and richer. All Right, a lot coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>the show tonight. As I said, we'll bring in Sharon

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<v Speaker 2>Haskell to get the latest from Israel a bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the academic calling for Mark Scott to resign. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all coming up. We'll get to Kamala Harris and the

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood endorsement later, but now let's bring in tonight's panel.

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both. Look, let's start with the a

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<v Speaker 2>Triple C decision here today, the legal action against the supermarkets. Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all been skeptical about the discount prices and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who does any grocery shops. I don't want to just

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<v Speaker 2>say it's the mothers and the women out there, but

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the mothers, at least in my family. I do

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<v Speaker 2>the grocery shop. And it's very obvious that the prices

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<v Speaker 2>over the past couple of years have risen dramatically. But Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>if the a triple ce case is accurate, then this

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty outrageous.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it absolutely is. I do all the shopping in

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<v Speaker 7>my family.

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<v Speaker 8>I am absolutely fastidious about it. I love my fly Bys.

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<v Speaker 8>I watch every dollar, I watch every price movement, and

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<v Speaker 8>I have been quite skeptical about these prices. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>price dropped and lot says the sticker, and it seemed

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<v Speaker 8>to me strangely high, and even I, in my sort

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<v Speaker 8>of conspiratorial rabbit Warren, didn't quite figure out what these

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<v Speaker 8>guys are actually doing. So this notion that they would

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<v Speaker 8>artificially hike the price by say, for example, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>a dollar fifty for a couple of weeks, and then

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<v Speaker 8>dropped the price by fifty cents, hence of course making

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<v Speaker 8>it a price rise of a dollar on a product

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<v Speaker 8>that might be three or four dollars, and then say

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<v Speaker 8>the price has been dropped, citing the previous high price,

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<v Speaker 8>which is artificially inflated, just so they could then say

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<v Speaker 8>that the price has gone down. And this to me

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<v Speaker 8>is a sort of industrial scale gas lighting of consumers.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not someone who just sort of sets and forget.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm someone who watches every single price. I'm as worried

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<v Speaker 8>about the cost of living as anyone else. I've got

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<v Speaker 8>interest rates up the wazoo and makes up to lazoo.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think this is a really disgraceful betrayal of

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<v Speaker 8>trust of Cohl's and Willie's shoppers, of which I am

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<v Speaker 8>a very enthusiastic one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, and I think it is good to know

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<v Speaker 2>that the A Triple C is being so active and

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive with this. James, But do you agree with what

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<v Speaker 2>I had to say there about the Prime Minister taking

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<v Speaker 2>full political advantage of this and he even made a

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<v Speaker 2>comment that it was the supermarkets in part pushing up inflation.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, and we should be very cautious and take everything

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<v Speaker 9>that we hear from the A Triple C with a

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<v Speaker 9>grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 10>They have a history of being a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit of a truthless tiger.

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<v Speaker 9>We heard recently with the Quantus stuff the A trible

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<v Speaker 9>C boss saying we're going for a record punishment, we

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<v Speaker 9>are going to go after Quantis. This is industrial scale, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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<v Speaker 9>And in the end it kind of fizzled out and

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<v Speaker 9>we got a result, but it wasn't as big as

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<v Speaker 9>what we thought. So I'm always skeptical of what I

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<v Speaker 9>do here from the A triple C. The wider issue

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<v Speaker 9>for labor and the Prime Minister is that, yes, Coles

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<v Speaker 9>and Woworth's big business, but the cost of every business

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<v Speaker 9>in this country has gone through the roof in recent times.

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<v Speaker 10>Energy is driving that.

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<v Speaker 9>Big issues with the ir laws and a number of

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<v Speaker 9>other things that are having a really big impact on

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<v Speaker 9>business and their margins and their profits and everything else.

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<v Speaker 9>Now I'm not going to bat Coles and Wilworth's here.

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<v Speaker 9>I think what we've heard today is very serious. But

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<v Speaker 9>the wider issue for the Prime Minister right now that

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<v Speaker 9>you are hearing and you are seeing in the polls

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<v Speaker 9>is that businesses are doing it tough and people blame

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<v Speaker 9>labor for the cost of living crisis that we see.

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<v Speaker 2>And they do that because the Prime Minister promised before

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<v Speaker 2>the last election that he would be able to fix

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of living crisis, that he would make life

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<v Speaker 2>more affordable. Instead, everything has of course gone up since then,

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<v Speaker 2>so he did take ownership of that problem politically. Now

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<v Speaker 2>let's turn to the Heston Russell story that we've now

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<v Speaker 2>all been covering for a couple of weeks now that

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<v Speaker 2>ABC has been caught out lying after revelations that they

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<v Speaker 2>were warned multiple times about errors in their war crime

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<v Speaker 2>reporting about Heston Russell, not just once like they claimed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now these warnings went as far back as October twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, so two years ago now. Now, ABC boss

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<v Speaker 2>David Anderson has admitted that they were told once, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he blamed the legal team for not passing on

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<v Speaker 2>information to the news division. I mean, Joe, this is

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<v Speaker 2>very convenient, isn't it. It's always the lawyer's fault. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the legal team's fault. It wasn't the journalist, not Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Willisey's fault.

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<v Speaker 7>It's always the lawyer's fault or the sub fault.

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<v Speaker 8>But in this case I find this so difficulty just

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<v Speaker 8>because lawyers, as you and I know, Sharry, are usually

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<v Speaker 8>the most risk averse members of any media organization. The

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<v Speaker 8>slightest whiff of anything that could be defamatory or anything

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<v Speaker 8>that could get the organization tangled up in court is

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<v Speaker 8>something that sends off a red flag in the in

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<v Speaker 8>house legal department long before the sort of somewhat more

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<v Speaker 8>gung ho journals in the newsroom, who obviously don't want

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<v Speaker 8>to be cowed away from any story, would run.

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<v Speaker 7>Away from it.

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<v Speaker 8>So it strikes me as passing strange that the legal

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<v Speaker 8>department would be so sort of cavalier or have so

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<v Speaker 8>little attention to detail or to the risks that the

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<v Speaker 8>newsroom was embarking upon, that they would simply not say

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<v Speaker 8>anything about these multiple complaints or multiple warnings at all.

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<v Speaker 7>It just seems very very strange to me.

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<v Speaker 8>And James and I actually just did on my podcast

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<v Speaker 8>a sort of deep dive into this, and Heston Russell

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<v Speaker 8>as personally thanked us for doing that, as I know

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<v Speaker 8>you have been very strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Well good on you, Joe, Good on New Joe. Now, James,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think that's a really important point here,

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<v Speaker 2>because David Anderson is saying, I know, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't told, Yes there was a legal letter, but he

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<v Speaker 2>went to the lawyers. But what about you and Ben Fordham,

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<v Speaker 2>You guys were on air pointing out multiple problems with

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<v Speaker 2>the story, and in fact, not only did the ABC

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<v Speaker 2>not take it seriously, but Mark Willisey rang you blowing up?

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<v Speaker 2>He was yelling, yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 9>And it was one of the greatest calls I've ever

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<v Speaker 9>been part of in my life as a media and

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<v Speaker 9>I get asked about it so often. Look at the

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<v Speaker 9>reality was he was so hell bent and was so

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<v Speaker 9>firm on his belief that it was Heston Russell shooting

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<v Speaker 9>the gun in the vision that he had shown on

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<v Speaker 9>the seven to thirty program, which is now the subject

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<v Speaker 9>of this internal investigation. I'll never forget it. He said,

0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.040
<v Speaker 9>it is effing Heston Russell shooting for that helicopter. Now,

0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.680
<v Speaker 9>Heston Russell had the raw footage, and we now know

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<v Speaker 9>that it wasn't Heston on the gun, but on the

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<v Speaker 9>legal issue. And I think it's important to know this

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<v Speaker 9>wasn't just one letter. This was a back and forth

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<v Speaker 9>between Heston's lawyers and the ABC that went on for

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<v Speaker 9>five or six months before they ended up going to

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<v Speaker 9>the federal court. And at every occasion the ABC lawyers

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<v Speaker 9>would have needed directions from their client, which was ABC News,

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<v Speaker 9>and obviously the barrises that came with that as well.

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<v Speaker 9>So the idea that they weren't aware of is to me,

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<v Speaker 9>with this investigation on folding, I find quite ludicrous. Mark

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<v Speaker 9>Willisy also told the federal court that he had seen

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<v Speaker 9>the unedited footage, which was handed over by the by

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<v Speaker 9>Heston's team six months in. So there's a long way

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<v Speaker 9>to go. But I thought that statement was a massive

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<v Speaker 9>cop out on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. But I also think the significance of

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<v Speaker 2>that phone call to you, I mean, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>public broadcaster trying to shut down the reporting of another

0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.720
<v Speaker 2>media organization. That's how arrogant they.

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<v Speaker 9>Were, totally on an issue as serious as war crimes

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.200
<v Speaker 9>that went on for four or five years, where they

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<v Speaker 9>took a very negative stance, And I believe when you

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<v Speaker 9>look at the recruitment numbers in the military and some

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<v Speaker 9>of the issues that we have trying to get people

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<v Speaker 9>to join the army, the campaign from the public broadcaster

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<v Speaker 9>did enormous damage and to this day the entire sas

0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.680
<v Speaker 9>and commandos have been hurt by that badly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well knowing how Defense, the senior Defense treat people under

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<v Speaker 2>them who are going through putting them through investigations, often

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<v Speaker 2>when they're innocent past the suicide rate. I mean, who

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<v Speaker 2>would encourage their kids to join The Australian Army.

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<v Speaker 9>And Defense have been so embarrassing in how quiet they've

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<v Speaker 9>been throughout this. They barely gave support twenty of the

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.679
<v Speaker 9>soldiers that have taken legal action in recent times, and

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<v Speaker 9>I think that's a lot to say. They feel abandoned

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of these soldiers by the Defense Department.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's have a look at this admission

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<v Speaker 2>for Australia's population. Now we know that we heard the

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<v Speaker 2>news from that ABC last week that Australia's population has

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<v Speaker 2>now hit twenty seven million people and overseas migration made

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<v Speaker 2>up for eighty three percent of the past year's growth.

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<v Speaker 2>The abeneazy government has been pursuing this Big Australia policy.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there was so much backlash that the government

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly pledged they were going to lower migration given it

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<v Speaker 2>is contributing to the housing crisis. But then the Treasurer

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<v Speaker 2>said that the forecast wouldn't be coming down quite as

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<v Speaker 2>they promised. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>There is likely to be a revision of those net overseas.

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<v Speaker 12>Migration forecast because of those fewer departures.

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<v Speaker 5>So it will be over four hundred thousand most likely?

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<v Speaker 13>Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 7>Will that take them in the usual way?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Joe Hilde Brown? What are the reasons for

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<v Speaker 2>this revised forecast.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 8>Firstly, the overall number is coming down, So it was

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<v Speaker 8>something like well over five and a half hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 8>in September last year. It's now about five hundred and

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<v Speaker 8>nine thousand, so it is coming down very slowly. It's

0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.199
<v Speaker 8>still obviously too high for most people's liking. And as

0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.040
<v Speaker 8>the Treasurer has said, the problem with the forecast is

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<v Speaker 8>not so much the number of people they predicted coming in,

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<v Speaker 8>but the number of people leaving. It turns out Australia

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 8>is in fact a very nice place to live in,

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<v Speaker 8>which will surprise many on the extreme level to keep

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<v Speaker 8>going on about how racist and terrible we are, and

0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.080
<v Speaker 8>so people are staying, they're not leaving, and so they

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<v Speaker 8>seem as the treasure is said to have got the

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<v Speaker 8>number of arrivals about right, but fewer people are leaving

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<v Speaker 8>than they expected. But obviously, with all migration policy, it

0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.760
<v Speaker 8>is a difficult sort of needle to thread it. You

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<v Speaker 8>can't just sort of turn it on and off like

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<v Speaker 8>a tap. It takes a very long time. You're projecting,

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<v Speaker 8>obviously next year's arrivals when you're making the announcements this year.

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<v Speaker 8>And of course we still need skilled migrants, for example, to.

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<v Speaker 7>Build our houses.

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<v Speaker 8>There are shortages in the construction sector, and we also

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<v Speaker 8>need international students to spend all their money here and help.

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<v Speaker 2>At least the universities figure yeah, at least the universities

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<v Speaker 2>want more international students. But James, I think part of

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<v Speaker 2>the issue politically is that the Albanezi government never told

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<v Speaker 2>anyone it was pursuing this big Australia agenda. They never

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<v Speaker 2>said they were going to increase the population to the

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<v Speaker 2>levels that they did, just like in so many other areas,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did it in part, I think, to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we didn't go into a recession. That's right.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, And you hear from a lot of Treasury officials

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<v Speaker 9>that say, if it wasn't for these big migration numbers,

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<v Speaker 9>the financial position would be very different. So we're effectively

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<v Speaker 9>in this sort of zombie economy at the moment. However,

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<v Speaker 9>I think the politician that stands up and I think

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<v Speaker 9>this is a massive issue heading into the next election

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<v Speaker 9>and says enough of this. It's a short term fix.

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 9>The arguments about international students and skill shortages. What are

0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 9>we doing to get Australians skilled up. There's a million

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 9>people on job seeker and unemployment benefits. We haven't made

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 9>a dent in that number under this labor government. We

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<v Speaker 9>need to start looking after our own first and for

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.239
<v Speaker 9>every person that we bring in, they're need a hospital bed,

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 9>they need a school for their kids and everything else.

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<v Speaker 9>So yeah, for mine, this is the top in the

0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.399
<v Speaker 9>top three issues heading into the next election. And if

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.400
<v Speaker 9>Peter Dutton continues on this track, he's going to get

0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:27.440
<v Speaker 9>some serious traction in the electric because people you read

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<v Speaker 9>those stats, think about that out loud.

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<v Speaker 10>Twenty seven million people.

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<v Speaker 9>We were at twenty five million not all that long ago,

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<v Speaker 9>and eighty three percent driven by migrants. I mean, is

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<v Speaker 9>that the Australia that we want? And I think the

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<v Speaker 9>politician that stands up and says enough is enough will

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<v Speaker 9>be hail to hear. We have to start looking after

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.360
<v Speaker 9>our own, skilling our own people up and not relying

0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 9>on foreigners to fix skill shortages. Is not a short

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 9>term fix, but it's a fix that is definitely worth pursuing.

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<v Speaker 2>What with some economists as saying that we actually need

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<v Speaker 2>to pause or lower migration to about ninety thousand in

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a year just to let the housing supply catch up

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>because we are in such crisis at the moment. Now,

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>just to end, you'll recall that New South Wales Green's

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>politician Jenny Leong was slammed when she made this anti

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Semitic comment, have a.

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<v Speaker 12>Look because their tentacles reach in to the areas that

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:23.919
<v Speaker 12>try and influence power, and I think that we need

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 12>to call that out.

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 7>And expose it.

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 2>So accusing Jewish groups of having their tentacles in everything

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Green's politician Jenny leon and her comment was correctly widely condemned,

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>even by the Prime Minister. She was then taken to

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the Human Rights Commission by a Jewish individual who I've

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.679
<v Speaker 2>been in contact with. They were in mediation, it was ongoing.

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Lawyers were involved. We now know thanks to Tams and

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Rose in The Guardian that as part of the settlement,

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Jenny Leong agreed to go attend a free guided tour

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Sydney Jewish Holocaust Museum and donate two thousand

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.119
<v Speaker 2>dollars to it. Now she didn't just agree to go

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>to the Holocaust Museum voluntarily, by the way, it was

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>after lengthy legal mediation sessions. Now, this whole thing has

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 2>reminded me of this clip from the Israeli American comedian Modi.

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<v Speaker 14>Cancel culture is anti Semitic. You say anything about Latino's

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 14>Asian Black trans Gate, You're done. You've finished. There's no

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:36.120
<v Speaker 14>second chance. When someone says something bad against Jews, the worst,

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 14>the worst that can happen is they make them visit

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 14>a Holocaust museum.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so true, Joe, what do you think. There's a

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of truth to this. Oh, the penalty I have

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to go to the Holocaust Museum.

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<v Speaker 8>It's so python esk, isn't it. And I one of

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<v Speaker 8>the things I really despise is this kind of you know, Oh,

0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 8>I'm always open to learning into increasing my education and

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 8>understanding of these issues. As though prior to this no

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 8>one knew the Holocaust happened, No one knew what happens

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 8>when you start to characterize Jewish people as animals or

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 8>as the head of a sort of global cabal that

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 8>has its quite unquite tentacles in every sort of center

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 8>of society.

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 7>I mean this is.

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 8>Literally Nazi propaganda and the idea that you would not

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 8>know that this was what led up to the greatest

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 8>humanitarian disaster, the greatest active genocide. I mean, they banded

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 8>the word genocide around now, but the greatest active genocide

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 8>in all of human history was fueled by these kinds

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 8>of tropes. It was fueled by conspiracy theories about the

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 8>protocols of the Elders of Zion that was spouted in

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 8>Nazi Germany, in fascist circles in Spain and Italy in

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 8>the early half of the twentieth century, and of course

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 8>in communist regimes in the USSR. So it's staggering to

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 8>think that, you know, you could just go on a

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.679
<v Speaker 8>quick day trip to the museum, which is free by

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 8>the complimentary you're not going to have to pay the

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 8>entry fee, and and suddenly, all right, now.

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 7>The Holocaust happened because of all that stuff.

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 8>And then at the same time she's also donated two

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 8>thousand dollars to another.

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Sort of Yes, but that's an anti.

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 8>Hawkish group of Jewish people who she's sort.

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Of it's basically a pro Palaesoni that.

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<v Speaker 7>To repeat, all her sort of clothes exactly so it's

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<v Speaker 7>not apology.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, we're out of time, Joe Hildebrand, James

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Willis and thank you both so much. And by the way,

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't seen any of Mody's clips, they're so funny.

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 2>He's got an hour up on YouTube. You should look

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 2>it up, because sometimes you do need to laugh about

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, because otherwise it's just so depressing. Now a

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.479
<v Speaker 2>new war A new war front has officially opened up

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 2>between Israel and Hezbillah in Lebanon. Israel has launched widespread

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<v Speaker 2>strikes on Hesbela, striking around two hundred and ninety targets

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>as well as thousands of rocket launcher barrels, but it

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>only did so after sending warning messages to Lebanese civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettia, who has vowed that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>will take whatever action's necessary so that families from northern

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<v Speaker 2>Israel can return home.

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<v Speaker 15>In the subsequent months, they haven't stopped for a single

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 15>day attacking us. No country can accept the wanton rocketing

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 15>of its cities.

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<v Speaker 7>We can't accept it either.

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<v Speaker 15>We will take whatever action is necessary to restore security

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 15>and to bring our people safe back to their homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela has fired more than one hundred rockets deep into

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Israel just over the weekend, but as we know, eight

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>thousand since October seven. And meanwhile, Israel has killed Hesbela

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 2>leaders in an s strike on Friday, and at the

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>time they were killed, they were reportedly planning another October

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 2>seven like invasion. Now, meanwhile, there's also reports and I'm

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>going to ask Sharon Haskell about these in a moment,

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>that Netiyao who has said privately that he believes around

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>half of the one hundred hostages in Gaza are still alive,

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 2>so half not alive, and he's reportedly looking at what

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 2>action he can take in northern Gaza. In northern Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has also rated the Al Jazeera officers in the

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 2>West Bank, issuing a forty five day closure order, and

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Israel claims that the Al Jazeera bureau has been inciting

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>terror and supporting terrorist activities. Let's bring it now, Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>politician Sharon Haskell, Sharon, thank you very much for joining

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>us again tonight. So much to talk about. Let's start

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>with the war against Hezbolah. Now we're hearing that resources

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>are being diverted from Gaza to the north of Israel.

0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Are you expecting a major war now between Israe and

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Hesbala in Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, unfortunately, I don't think we can avoid that. Shary

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I was on your show about a month ago, three

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>months ago, six months ago, and I think also eleven

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>months ago, and all of that time, for eleven months,

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Chris Bella has been attacking Israel with rockets, civilians, destroying

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>towns in Israel, massacring children and elderly people who fled

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>from their homes or refugees here in Israel, tens of thousands.

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>And no matter how much pressure the international community is

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 1>putting on Risbella, including France, in the United States and

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>other friends, who were trying for months to negotiate an agreement,

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately Risbella is not interested in that, and therefore we

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>are left with only one choice, which is full confrontation.

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I've said on your show, I think eleven months ago,

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and that was even before one soldier set foot in Gaza.

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>That was after the seventh of October massacre, when Chris

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Balad started firing rockets towards Israel. Why why not even

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a single soldier set foot yet in Gaza. It is

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>because this war is a war with Iran. This is

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a war of radical Islam who is fighting our ideas,

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>our community, our culture, the way that we live in

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>a democratic and free society.

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>And so.

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>This issue is about a far wider.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And regional war.

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<v Speaker 1>And so unfortunately, as I said eleven months ago, we

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>do not want to see the sights of Jabalia in Beirut.

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately not leaving us with many options.

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<v Speaker 2>So have you been brief to you know, you're a

0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 2>member of the Israeli parliament, the Kines said, have you

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>got other information you can share with us on what

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the endgame is here? You know, are you expecting that

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>to be widespread or even wider strikes? Despite the United

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>States trying to de escalate the situation, tell Israel that

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 2>you know it shouldn't defend itself against Hasbelah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's only there's a very simple step that can

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>be made in order to stop this escalation and this confrontation,

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and it is that Chris Blad will go back to

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the litany line, the resolution, uh you know, of the

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>of the security accounts on the United Nations that that

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>brought up that Chris Ballad cannot advance more than that

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>line was broken, and so if they want the de escalation,

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>they need to go back behind this line. We've said

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a numerous times throughout.

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 3>All these months.

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<v Speaker 1>We need that in order for our people, our families

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to be able to go back to their home safely

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>without being worried that their home is going to be

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>hit by RPGs, by missiles. Children that goes to play

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>soccer won't be massacred in the middle of the game.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the only thing that we want. We

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>want to be able to go back to our life

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>living safely and securely, and for that, kiz Balan needs

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to go back behind the tiny river line.

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sharon, I've spoken to you before on the program

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>about how the Australian government has given almost three thousand

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>tourist visas visitor visas to gardens without proper security checks.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>We've now learned just on the weekend that some of

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the security checks actually didn't happen until after the gardens

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>had arrived in Australia. Given your intimate knowledge of the situation,

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 2>how concerned would you be about the Palestinians arriving here

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>without security checks about whether they might support hamas or

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the October seven attacks, so.

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I would be extremely worried. I mean, this is Australia importing,

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, the problems of the Middle East. We are

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>at war and we're not in a territorial war.

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 2>This is a religious and cultural war.

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>This is radical Islam against Western civilization.

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>And instead of trying.

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>To deal with the core of this problem, Australia is

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>actually importing that problem into your own country. And I've

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>seen the rise of anti Semitism in Australia. We've seen

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>different attack who were prevented last minute.

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>People could have been killed.

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think that the Australian government hasn't the penny

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't drop yet. They don't understand it yet, and unfortunately

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>they might understand it when it's too late. You see

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>terror cells who are already set in Europe and South

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Central America, in America, in Canada, I mean the place

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>where Chris Ballad go to collect donations, the best place

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>for them is Canada. It's the center of you know,

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>collecting donations for his Ballad.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So.

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:30.280
<v Speaker 1>The government has to have enough information about the individuals

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that they haven't been part of terrorist group of plotting,

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of murdering, of executing, of burning that they don't import

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>those radical ideas into Australia. Making sure that women's and

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>children who have peace, who want to find a better

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>life that can assimilate into the beautiful Australian community in

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the country, that's what they actually want.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a highly concerning situation where should not take

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 2>our peaceful country for granted. As Sharon Haskell, always great

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 2>having you on the show, Thank you for your time.

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Now still to come, Labor losing the cost of living

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 2>debate as more poles spell bad news for alban Easy

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Labor's primary now in Gillard Territory during the carbon tax

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 2>broken promise. Well, Cameron Milner and David Gazard will tell

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>me what this means for the upcoming election that's coming

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 2>up after the break. Welcome back. Well, plenty more to

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>get through tonight, So let's bring in my regular Monday

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Political Insiders panel, Bill Shotton's former chief of staff and

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.959
<v Speaker 2>former Labor State secretary Cameron Milner and John Howard's former

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Press secretary David Gazzard. Welcome to you both. Well, let's

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>turn to the polling today. We saw both the Resolve

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>poll in the Herald and News poll which spelled more

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>bad news for alban Easy, Cameron, do you think the

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister would be feeling the heat given the polls

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 2>are cementing that it does look like at best a

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>hung parliament.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 12>Well, this guy must have the thicker skin in Australia

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 12>because he hasn't hurt the message from the people on

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 12>the street. The people are supposed to be out meeting Shari.

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 12>I mean, it's no great surprise the rest of us

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.359
<v Speaker 12>who are talking to Australians understand just how badly this

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 12>government's handling things. Melissa government, who has an answer for

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 12>nothing and an excuse for everything.

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a little wonder the poles are so bad.

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 12>But what it shows both the resolved pole the news

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 12>pole is that Labour's only pathway to government is with

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 12>the Greens and with the Teals and Albanize better front

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 12>up to Australia honestly before the election, explained how he's

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 12>going to do that, not excuse I'll trust me on afterwards,

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 12>explain how he's going to government with the Greens, because

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 12>that's what these poles show.

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 2>Chari and your column in the Nightly a few days ago,

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, said that Alberizy does need to preference the

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Greens last, and he needs to come out and say this,

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 2>David Gazard.

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 12>There's still they're a deeply extremist party.

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>They are indeed, David, there's still a long way to

0:36:56.080 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 2>go though, until Peter Darton makes up the ground to

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 2>put him in a position to win minority or let

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>alone majority government. I mean the coalition's just so far

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>behind on the seats.

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that's I think that's right.

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 11>I mean the most likely passway forward at the moment

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 11>is you see a minority.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 10>Government either way. That said, there's a long way to go.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 11>Most people don't make up their mind until very late

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 11>in the campaign, and we haven't seen any policies yet

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 11>really effectively from the coalition.

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.919
<v Speaker 10>So once that starts and people start making up their mind.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 11>But you know, there's only been one one term government

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 11>in Australia's history since federation, the thirty one scull And government,

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 11>So just on sheer history alone, you'd have to say

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 11>that most people would be very careful about switching their

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 11>vote this time round. That said, you've seen a compression

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 11>of voting habits at state elections, biggest wings, shorter durations

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 11>of government, so you know, this landscape has changed a

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 11>lot since the Scoleon government, no doubt about that, since.

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Nearly one hundred years ago. Yeah, and Labour's primary anyway

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>the last election was just thirty three percent, a record lows,

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's only fallen since then. Now. Peter Dutton gave

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a major speech on nuclear energy policy today. Cameron, the

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>opposition leader, said that if the state premiers supported his plan,

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>he'd be able to get it up and running pretty quickly.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 2>But the issue is that most of the states at

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 2>this point anyway don't support it.

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.399
<v Speaker 12>Well, that's right, and I think even David Christoph Fuley

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 12>in Queensland said that he won't go nuclear even if

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.240
<v Speaker 12>he wins the Queensland say election. So yes, there's that problem,

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 12>but I think the voters are making the change. Heyreshari,

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 12>I mean nineteen out of twenty countries around the world

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 12>used nuclear power perfectly safely. I mean the French get

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 12>to Paris Accord numbers because they've got nuclear energy for

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 12>goodness sake. So I think it's changing. I think what's

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 12>changing is when Albo was a young bloke running around

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 12>a T shirt with a placard saying no nukes. That

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.720
<v Speaker 12>might have worked sixty plus Now he's not for the times.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 12>Young people aren't fearful of nuclear energy and they're becoming

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 12>a huge voting cohort. And I think on the issue

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 12>of nuclear Dutton's got it right. It's the future getting

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 12>to next zero by twenty fifty, along with renewables everything

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 12>else we're doing as well.

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right that the fear factor isn't there anymore,

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 2>David Gazzard, because there's what thirty other countries around the

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>world who do use nuclear as part of their energy mix.

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 7>That's right.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 11>And the seal was willing to truly broken on this

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.479
<v Speaker 11>by Anthony Albanezi himself when he backed the Orchest Plan,

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.760
<v Speaker 11>which is going to put nuclear submarines into our harbors

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 11>over the next.

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 10>Sort of two decades.

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 11>So it's pretty hard to say, well, we won't let

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 11>you have a nuclear power station anywhere near you, but

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.439
<v Speaker 11>we're going to have sailors sitting on top of one

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 11>in submarines.

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:53.839
<v Speaker 10>That we've endorsed and paid for. So I think Cameron's right.

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 11>And the test of what he has just said is

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 11>the fact that Peter Dutton has made multiple announcements about

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.320
<v Speaker 11>nuclear so he clearly sees it as an itery process

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 11>that he's winning him votes, not losing in votes between

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 11>now and the election.

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, I.

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 12>Can absolutely right, David, I think right. I was going

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.760
<v Speaker 12>to say, I mean, you know, you know Peter Dutton's

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:19.919
<v Speaker 12>nuclear power plants are going to be much further away

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.360
<v Speaker 12>from population and community, and yet you know Albo's nuclear

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 12>subs are going to be seeing under the Sydney have

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<v Speaker 12>a bridge. I mean, you know, if you're fearful about nuclear,

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<v Speaker 12>the orchest subs are a far worse problem. So no,

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<v Speaker 12>I think David's exactly right. I mean, I think the

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<v Speaker 12>fear fact has gone out and Pete Dutton has been

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<v Speaker 12>up front, and yet the polls are still going his

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<v Speaker 12>way even after announcing this nuclear policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and look it gives another potential solution in

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<v Speaker 2>any case, to the energy crisis in this country. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Camra Milner, David Gazard really appreciate your time. Now still

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<v Speaker 2>to come a vote of no confidence in Mark Scott

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<v Speaker 2>as calls grow louder for him to resign. One academic

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<v Speaker 2>would join me to explain why staff and students one

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<v Speaker 2>him gone. Donald Trump reveals his next move if he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't win in November. That's all coming up.

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<v Speaker 10>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>University of Sydney Vice Chancellor Mark Scott is tonight under

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<v Speaker 2>pressure to resign after his failure to tackle anti semitism

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<v Speaker 2>on campus. Here he was giving a long awaited apology

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<v Speaker 2>at a Senate inquiry on Friday.

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<v Speaker 16>And the testimonials are heartbreaking and unacceptable and for that

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<v Speaker 16>I am sorry. Students have felt unsafe or unwelcome. If

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<v Speaker 16>that has been their lived experience, if that is their testimony,

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<v Speaker 16>then we have failed them. Yes, well, no, that's exactly right, cinema,

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<v Speaker 16>and that's why it've happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And joining me now is former University of Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>academic Andy Smi, who left in February after twelve years

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<v Speaker 2>citing antisemitism. Andy, thank you very much for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're not the only academic to leave the university

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<v Speaker 2>in over antisemitism. There have been several others. How distressing

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<v Speaker 2>has this been for academics.

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<v Speaker 13>For academics and professional stuff. There have been I'm aware

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<v Speaker 13>of seven that have resigned from the university since February

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<v Speaker 13>and that have stated anti semitism was a part of

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<v Speaker 13>their reason to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a very big decision.

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<v Speaker 13>Sydney's got a very.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good reputation.

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<v Speaker 13>The idea that you're going to leave Sydney because you

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<v Speaker 13>know you've maybe that's the pinnacle of your career where

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<v Speaker 13>you've wanted to end up, and that you decide that

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<v Speaker 13>you need to leave because you don't feel comfortable safe

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<v Speaker 13>on campus. It's a massive decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're speaking out on behalf of sixty Jewish and

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 2>non Jewish staff who are fed up with how Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Scott has handled this issue. You're also one of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three people who've lodged legal action or acclaim rather with

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<v Speaker 2>Safe Work New South Wales against the university management for

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<v Speaker 2>psychological harm to the racism on campus. What are your

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<v Speaker 2>main allegations against the university leadership.

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<v Speaker 13>I have to first clarify the sixty. We are a

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<v Speaker 13>group of sixty people and we meet together and support

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<v Speaker 13>each other. I can't claim I'm speaking on behalf of

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<v Speaker 13>all of them, and I'm speaking on behalf of me.

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<v Speaker 13>And in some cases you know there are people who

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<v Speaker 13>are very comfortable that they don't feel comfortable to speak

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 13>themselves and that I am speaking for them, but I

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<v Speaker 13>certainly can't claim to be speaking for all of them.

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<v Speaker 13>It's I think for us or for me, the issue is,

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<v Speaker 13>so I left the university in February, and since then

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<v Speaker 13>I've continued to be involved and support my colleagues because

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<v Speaker 13>so many of them don't feel able to speak up

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<v Speaker 13>for themselves. And so what that's meant is that there've

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<v Speaker 13>been meetings that we've gone to, there've been letters that

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 13>we've written, we've written to the media, we've put in

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 13>claims to safe work, and those things have largely gone

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<v Speaker 13>in my name because they can't sack me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already left. So courageous of you, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>to speak out and even to leave your job over it.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you make of Mark Scott's formal apology at

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate inquiry?

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<v Speaker 13>Look, Funnily enough, I printed out the page and it

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<v Speaker 13>was exactly the segment that you aired. And for me,

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 13>it's the fact that he's saying, if if students have

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<v Speaker 13>felt unsafe, if they've that's been their lived experience, he

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<v Speaker 13>has not accepted, as far as I'm concerned, he has

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<v Speaker 13>not accepted that this is a reality. It's not an if, right,

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.240
<v Speaker 13>there are people who've been Why does he think people

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<v Speaker 13>quit the university, leave their jobs, students who choose to

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<v Speaker 13>transfer to another university. It's not the if I might

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<v Speaker 13>feel a little bit uncomfortable tomorrow.

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>It's because it.

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<v Speaker 13>Is unbearable and it is making me unhappy, and therefore

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<v Speaker 13>I need to seek and go elsewhere. There's no ifs

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<v Speaker 13>in there, and he needs to embrace that. My feeling

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 13>is we've met with him multiple times. We've told him

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<v Speaker 13>the issues, we've told him the problems. He's known what

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<v Speaker 13>was going on. It's not an IF and he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't apologetic in those private meetings. No, well, minimally he

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<v Speaker 2>acknowled it. Resign Now.

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<v Speaker 13>I think something needs to change. I can't see that

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<v Speaker 13>Mark Scott is able to make that change. But if

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<v Speaker 13>the university at large can put systems in place that

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<v Speaker 13>allow him to do his job, yep, that's what needs

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<v Speaker 13>to happen. He cannot continue to do what he's been

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<v Speaker 13>doing for the last eleven months without something changing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we should point out that actually it was an

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<v Speaker 2>unsafe environment, not just for Jews, but for all students

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<v Speaker 2>who had to turn out, particularly when there were his

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<v Speaker 2>but to REA members on campus carrying flags that were

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 2>interpreted as terror flags, you know, chanting across campus. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Smith, thank you very much for speaking up.

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<v Speaker 13>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm more to come after the break. Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>edges ahead of Trump in the latest poll. So what's

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<v Speaker 2>behind her rise? Plus the latest endorsement for Trump that

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<v Speaker 2>does have Democrats worried? All that with Koshagada next Well,

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities are lining up to sing the praises for Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris during her interview with Oprah Winfrey. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 17>This has been overwhelming to have the privilege to sit

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<v Speaker 17>in and listen to the testimony of people here. Hello

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<v Speaker 17>President Paris.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, kind of going from a stop Trump mode into

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<v Speaker 8>a go Kamala mode.

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<v Speaker 7>People starting to you know, really hear what you are about.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to I want to bring my daughters

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<v Speaker 1>to the White House to meet this black woman president.

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News contributor Koshagada joins us now kosher So Kamal

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<v Speaker 2>has now got the endorsement of Taylor Swift, Meryl Streep, Oprah.

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<v Speaker 2>But most voters don't necessarily follow what Hollywood stars think,

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<v Speaker 2>do they.

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<v Speaker 18>They do not. It comes across as a little bit

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<v Speaker 18>I think out of touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Shari.

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<v Speaker 18>What this election from an issue set perspective is all about.

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<v Speaker 18>As you know, is the economy, inflation, price at the gas, pomp,

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<v Speaker 18>food on the table, and security, crime in the border

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<v Speaker 18>and people coming out of Beverly Hills and wherever they

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<v Speaker 18>were skyping in from. Doesn't do anything to move the

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<v Speaker 18>needle in terms of voter's minds on those issues in

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<v Speaker 18>those states. OPRAH does have a little bit of sway

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<v Speaker 18>still with suburban women voters, which is a group that

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<v Speaker 18>Trump typically struggles with. So maybe there's something there. But

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<v Speaker 18>I don't think the celebrities are going to make one iota.

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<v Speaker 7>Of a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the contrast between the cost of living crisis

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<v Speaker 2>being the biggest issue in the United States and you

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<v Speaker 2>have these multi millionaire celebrities telling people how to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 2>the rost belts would shake their head at that. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats have suffered a blow in Michigan. This is

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a case swing state. The mayor of the Muslim

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<v Speaker 2>majority city, he has endorsed Trump at Kosher how concerned

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<v Speaker 2>both of the parties about Michigan.

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<v Speaker 18>I think this is quite significant. So Michigan for a

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<v Speaker 18>long time, as it is a key state. Trump won

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 18>it in twenty sixteen and that hadn't happened in forty

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<v Speaker 18>years since Ronald Reagan. He wonted versus Hillary Clinton and

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 18>then lost it narrowly against Biden. So Michigan in many

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 18>ways as a bellwether state, and it does have a

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 18>significant Muslim population, and the whole of the war in

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<v Speaker 18>Israel and Gaza on that issue has been a big

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<v Speaker 18>fracturing fault line issue in the Democrat Party. She Kama

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<v Speaker 18>has tried to walk the line with that, but I

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<v Speaker 18>think this is quite significant because it is showing a

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<v Speaker 18>little bit of the fracturing of that base in those counties.

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<v Speaker 18>And if Michigan were to swing the other way, I

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<v Speaker 18>think that's Aboul's trouble for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, donand Tromp meanwhile has rode out running for another

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<v Speaker 2>election if he does lose in November. But either way, Kosher,

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<v Speaker 2>the MAGA movement will, I mean it has permanently changed

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, I think Trump's legacy has been embossed, I would

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<v Speaker 18>say on the Republican Party, even though understandably at eighty

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<v Speaker 18>two he probably wouldn't be seeking to do this.

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<v Speaker 7>For what would be a.

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<v Speaker 18>Fourth time, he has remade the policy platform He's paid

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<v Speaker 18>the way for the MAGA type people, from the Vackramaswami

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<v Speaker 18>to jd Vance to others, and you know even just

0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 18>the coorts that he appointed the federal judges. They're going

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<v Speaker 18>to be on the bench for thirty to forty years.

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<v Speaker 18>And he and Mitch McConnell together reshaping the federal court

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<v Speaker 18>is another lasting legacy from Trump. So even though he

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<v Speaker 18>doesn't run personally, I think the Republican Party has forever

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<v Speaker 18>been changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in DAED it has. And of course we are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing polling that looks like Kamala Harris has stretched her

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<v Speaker 2>lead against Trump. This is the latest NBC News poll

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<v Speaker 2>among registered voters, and her popularity also surging sixteen points

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<v Speaker 2>since July. But look, we just don't know yet. I mean,

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the polls are always up and down. The polls never

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<v Speaker 2>predicted Trump's win against Hillary Clinton's still a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>months ago. Koshagada, thank you very much for your time. Tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now tomorrow the show, I've got former Labor Minister Mike Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to be speaking out against Penny Wong and

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party. But right now, here's Paul Murray