WEBVTT - 84. Choosing Yourself (Even When It Hurts)

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<v Speaker 1>Appogiae Production. Welcome to the Sheep Risers Podcast. I'm Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Tiana. This podcast is.

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<v Speaker 2>About female empowerment and encouraging you to be your biggest, boldest,

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<v Speaker 2>and most authentic version of yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else is too afraid to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Get ready for your next level of self.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Hello Wednesday, Good morning, Hey, feeling babe good?

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<v Speaker 2>Ready to choose myself?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready to choose yourself? That's what we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about talking about that, how often we say

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<v Speaker 1>yes to everyone else and say no to ourselves, and

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<v Speaker 1>what that does, how unproductive it is, what it does

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<v Speaker 1>to our nervous sys and what it does to our relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>what it does to our connections, and how are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to help guide you to stop doing that? Shit

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't serve you damn straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Choosing yourself can be really uncomfortable, especially when it hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>It hurts to choose yourself, and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of women, and I think everyone in general to some

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<v Speaker 2>degree has experienced this where choosing themselves, men saying no

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<v Speaker 2>to someone that they love. Yeah, I think it shows

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot in relationships, especially when there's a mismatch

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<v Speaker 2>or there's a lack of compatibility and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just find yourself feeling like I can either

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<v Speaker 2>choose this person or I can choose myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like oftentimes we choose other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we're scared. We're scared they're going to be angry

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<v Speaker 1>at us. We're scared they're going to be upset with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I get scared that they'll think I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to help them, or if you know they're stuck

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you can help them, but maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a disservice to them if you keep saving them. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many reasons why we say yes or no, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think most women struggle to say yes to themselves

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<v Speaker 1>because we've been praised growing up that oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so nice, you're so helpful, you're the one that's

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<v Speaker 1>always there for me, I can always rely on you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, And then we get praised and

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<v Speaker 1>there's positive reinforcement that we get love when we show

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<v Speaker 1>up that way yes and when we say no. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us have evidence of someone being upset with

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<v Speaker 1>that and saying, well, you know you should do that

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Do you not care for me? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want me to do that by myself. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>you won't help me with that. I would help you

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<v Speaker 1>with that. And it's like this guilt gets put back

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<v Speaker 1>on you, so then you're barning yourself. So of course, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. I'll put my stuff aside. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're all guilty of doing this. But let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what it does to the connections and the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it builds resentment because you're then, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the time, if you're constantly saying yes

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone else, you're saying no to yourself. You miss

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<v Speaker 1>out on things that are really important to you. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also get really exhausted doing everything for everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Your stuff doesn't get done, so then you feel angry

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<v Speaker 1>at them, but at the end of the day, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's agreed to it. Yeah, And then it

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<v Speaker 1>puts this like invisible wedge between you and the person

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<v Speaker 1>that you love because you feel that resentment and that

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<v Speaker 1>energy towards them and they're off living their life. You

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<v Speaker 1>said yes, I don't know how you're really feeling. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not their responsibility to manage your emotions

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<v Speaker 1>through that, but it's your responsibility to honor what feels

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<v Speaker 1>right for you. And it's different day to day week tweak,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I say yes to a lot more things when

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<v Speaker 1>I have more capacity. I say yes now when I

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<v Speaker 1>know I can, Whereas I used to say yes all

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<v Speaker 1>the time and fear of being abandoned. Whereas now it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I've got the capacity, how are you. I love

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<v Speaker 1>helping you, Yes, helping them. Being of service is a

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<v Speaker 1>high value of mind. I love contributing to people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hugely important to me. But not at the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>my own mental health, not at the cost of my

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<v Speaker 1>kids time, and not at the cost of the energy

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<v Speaker 1>that I do not have. I've got to have the

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<v Speaker 1>capacity for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that. I really struggled with choosing myself

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of my life, if I'm being honest, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>self abandoning in hopes that it would gain the love

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<v Speaker 2>of others. Yeah, And that's what we just want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Love to just love a girls what I've loved.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a really hard thing to kind of make

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<v Speaker 2>sense of when you're doing it because when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, it doesn't feel like self abandonment. No, not

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<v Speaker 2>in the very moment that you do it. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>always the aftermath of the self abandonment. Do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>the effects and the aftermath of it. But in the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>you have so much to gain because you're like, but

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<v Speaker 2>if I do this for this person, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>do what they say, and I you know, I'm there

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<v Speaker 2>for them, and I show up for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Even a good friend and a good partner, even though it.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be an inconvenience or it throws out my schedule, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do it anyway, because then in me

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<v Speaker 2>doing this, I'm going to get something in return. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's conditional giving.

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<v Speaker 1>That's conditional giving. And it is a very quick trap

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<v Speaker 1>to get stecond, right. We do things to gain pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>or avoid pain. Yes, and I think sometimes the pain

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<v Speaker 1>of abandoning ourselves feels less scary than the pain of

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<v Speaker 1>them being upset with us, So we choose them. But

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<v Speaker 1>over time, if you're always going to be a people,

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<v Speaker 1>please trust me, you're going to burn and crash. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't sustain that long term without becoming bitter resentful and

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<v Speaker 1>miserable at the end of the day, that's on you

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<v Speaker 1>and other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it so interesting as well? Knowing that it's wanting

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else's love is quotations more powerful than wanting our

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<v Speaker 2>own love, I know. Right, it really shows us as

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<v Speaker 2>a collective where we're at in terms of self love

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<v Speaker 2>and how much we value that. I know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's unfortunate. It's really sad because we're like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>like I must abandon myself so much because their love

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<v Speaker 2>gives more weight than the love of myself. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just interesting how perspective is a little bit skewed on

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<v Speaker 2>that of like, yeah, this person's love means more to

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<v Speaker 2>me than it does to give myself my own. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, how can we shift that narrative of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>other people being more important than ourselves the most important first,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everybody else under that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is what you coach women with, right, is

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<v Speaker 1>self worth and self love and self respect. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>most of your clients, this is exactly what you're helping

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<v Speaker 1>them with. And when they come to you and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this, like is there a couple of straight out

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<v Speaker 1>things that you help them with? Like tips or tricks

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<v Speaker 1>or how do you guide them through that to not

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<v Speaker 1>be the people, please, not be the yes girl, and

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<v Speaker 1>to actually choose themselves Because if they've been doing it

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty five years, how do they all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden stop. That's conditioning, that's patterns, that's habits. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you help them to make a change with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the biggest thing is like giving them permission to

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<v Speaker 2>see it first, right, because it's like, yes, we might

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<v Speaker 2>uncle justly know that we do it, but do we

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<v Speaker 2>actually see it for what it is? And do we

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<v Speaker 2>see how much is actually impacting us day to day?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like you prioritizing that other person and then

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<v Speaker 2>not putting yourself forward is like, Okay, are you giving

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<v Speaker 2>up on your goals? Are you giving up in your dreams?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you neglecting your self love and your self care?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you want to go see that person? And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the biggest thing is firstly just awareness, and

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<v Speaker 2>then after that it's helping remind my clients that they

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<v Speaker 2>have a voice and that they have needs once desires

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<v Speaker 2>of their own outside of the people that they're trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care of that are important, that are important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because what I noticed more so recently actually, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of women have been coming to me for either

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<v Speaker 2>being in a relationship they're not happy with and they're

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<v Speaker 2>neglecting themselves post relationship break up where they've completely lost

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<v Speaker 2>their identity and lost their confidence, or post divorce even

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<v Speaker 2>years later, where they still don't know how to pick

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<v Speaker 2>up the baton and create their life again. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing has just been shifting their focus from

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<v Speaker 2>other to them. So every time that they're overgiving, over delivering,

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<v Speaker 2>overly nurturing, overly taking care of other people, it's shifting that,

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<v Speaker 2>pulling that energy back from other people and putting it

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<v Speaker 2>on themselves. So I say to them, even temporarily, for

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<v Speaker 2>these women, especially, Okay, in this season of your life,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just going to be a short season. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to focus on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is there resistance with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Always?

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<v Speaker 1>How do I do that? Always? How do I imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>I know? How do I do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make them dinner, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to take care of them, and I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to make their life easy. Okay, cool, but what do

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<v Speaker 2>you want?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just a constantly reminding them that they have needs, wants,

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<v Speaker 2>and desires and like almost shedding light on those desires

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<v Speaker 2>to bring them to the forefront. The more that they

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<v Speaker 2>can see that they have their own wants, needs and desires,

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger they become because it's almost like mission for

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<v Speaker 2>them to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not only what they want, right, it's what they need.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what they need.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to take care of you like want and

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<v Speaker 1>needed quite different, what do you actually need? And if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the answers to that, that's a big

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<v Speaker 1>red flag. Hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there are three biggest components. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 2>three biggest components mindset, identity, and behavior. So mindset is

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<v Speaker 2>the mindset shift around you're actually the most important person

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<v Speaker 2>in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>For hard one for people to really own.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's important is like creating safety in that yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>creating safety to take up space, creating safety to have

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<v Speaker 2>once needs and desires, creating safety in actually being in

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<v Speaker 2>the spotlight of your own life.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the first shift.

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<v Speaker 2>The second shift is the identity of like I'm less

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<v Speaker 2>than everybody else, you know, I'm less than, I'm inferior,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not as deserving, I'm not enough, all that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. So we kind of have to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the identity and shift the way that they perceive themselves, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in comparison to other people, because it's like, if the

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<v Speaker 2>women are always seeing themselves as less than they've got

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else up on a pedestal, automatically, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>suppress their needs, wants and desires. So we like address that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then behavior is looking at all of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that they want and need in their life and then

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<v Speaker 2>actually actioning those things. So it's like not just mindset

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<v Speaker 2>identity behavior, it's on all different avenues that they're actually

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<v Speaker 2>transforming their relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>With about that really cool? So cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I love witnessing women go through it, yea, because they

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<v Speaker 2>go from this sometimes dull shell of a human version

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<v Speaker 2>of themselves where they've lost themselves. They don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>they are anymore. They don't know what they like, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they want, they don't know who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't even know how to communicate with people because

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<v Speaker 2>they're so anxious. Yeah to holy shit, I am this

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<v Speaker 2>force of a woman and a human being that gets

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<v Speaker 2>to be my bigness and be all of who I am,

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<v Speaker 2>take up space and I actually go out and get

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I want in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's just so rewarding to see that transformation. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the best I think a lot of women too.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spoken about this before at my event's. Actually my

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<v Speaker 1>coach Taylor taught me this, and it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole saying you can't pour from an empty cup.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the I we all. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>live where it's all we are, so they look after

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<v Speaker 1>everyone for themselves. Then they look after their family and friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and then their last bottom of the barrel. Whereas, like

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<v Speaker 1>I flipped it, I used to be that. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to want to put everyone else first, make sure everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>looked after, like community online, like work everyone, and then

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<v Speaker 1>like I get home and I've got a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of energy left my family, and then at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the I'm like I've got nothing left myself. You

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<v Speaker 1>can do that for a certain period of time until

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<v Speaker 1>once again, you build out resentment and you're feeling bitter,

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<v Speaker 1>you're feeling angry, you're not feeling that up and fulfilled

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not doing anything for yourself. Whereas now it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I we all, I will be the best mum

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<v Speaker 1>and be able to take care of everyone when I

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<v Speaker 1>take care of myself first. So that's filling into my cup,

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<v Speaker 1>doing things that bring me joy, doing things that keeps

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<v Speaker 1>my health the best that it is, getting enough sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>having fun, all my passions, purposes, on point, hobbies, connection,

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<v Speaker 1>all the things that I value, and then my cup's

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<v Speaker 1>really full, and then overflows to my kids and my

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<v Speaker 1>family really easily. And then I've got lots left over

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<v Speaker 1>for my community. That so people always say to me,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you show up every single day for the

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<v Speaker 1>last ten to fifteen years, How do you continue to give?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you apply to all your dms? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you have these big conversations. It's like, because I take

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<v Speaker 1>care of me first, I've got overflow. Yes, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>flipped around, I'm on empty, I'm going to be snappy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be not patient. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an energy and life force behind me to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to contribute and to do things I want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be able to make the impact that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make. So important to choose yourself yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that unfortunately does require you saying no to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. Yeah, a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the biggest thing, isn't it like being

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<v Speaker 2>disappointing people? Yes, And the way that I like to

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<v Speaker 2>frame it at least it has been helpful for me

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<v Speaker 2>is like, for this short period of time whilst I'm

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<v Speaker 2>learning how to choose myself, I just have to be

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<v Speaker 2>really firm with my boundaries in a short season, and

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<v Speaker 2>then after I can be a little bit more flexible

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<v Speaker 2>when I've got more capacity, more time, more energy. But

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<v Speaker 2>right now, if I'm on empty and I'm emotionally at

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<v Speaker 2>my wits end, I don't have any capacity. I'm struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm resentful towards everyone in my life. Okay, I need

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<v Speaker 2>to clean some things up. Yeah, and then let your

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<v Speaker 2>own lane, yeah, clean up, clean one hundred percent, clean

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<v Speaker 2>up your own shit and being willing to go Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The more that I say no to everyone else right now,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I'm going to say yes to myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I.

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<v Speaker 2>Found through doing that has created a lot of space

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<v Speaker 2>for myself. So it's like, you know, people assume that

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not working automatically free, yeah, but it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the case. That's not And you know, having

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<v Speaker 2>those boundaries with yourself around that as well of like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just because you're not working doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 2>you're free or you have time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to have space.

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<v Speaker 2>What if you needed thirty minutes to yourself to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the beach in journal, Go take that time, give

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<v Speaker 2>that to yourself, because how you're going to show up

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<v Speaker 2>after that thirty minutes is going to be a world

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<v Speaker 2>of difference. If you haven't eaten all day, you've put

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else first, you've overgiven in your job because you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it for free.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know things like that. And what I love

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<v Speaker 1>too is we always talk about is to stop assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that people can't handle no. Yes, we assume that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be angry, we assume that they're gonna not

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<v Speaker 1>survive without us, assume that you won't better get that

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<v Speaker 1>job done. We assume that they're going to abandon us

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<v Speaker 1>or be angry at all the things. But like, stop

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<v Speaker 1>assuming you don't actually know. Sometimes now I think, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm around the right people, when I say no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>fully respected and it's like, oh, of course you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. Of course I know you've had a really

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<v Speaker 1>hard week or good, I'll sort it out. It's never

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<v Speaker 1>met with anger or disappointment. Or shame or someone trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make me feel guilty about it. So stop assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that you say no that they're going to do all

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<v Speaker 1>those things, because they might be totally fine with it

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<v Speaker 1>and totally understanding. Be like actually, yeah, I was your

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<v Speaker 1>old and be saying yes that either, fuck that, yes totally.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been times where over the years, like say, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember this one time where someone needed help moving something

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<v Speaker 1>and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was always the one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in a massive group message and there was

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people and Steve didn't reply, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>shaming him for it. I was like, babe, you should

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<v Speaker 1>put your hand up and do that, Like why would

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<v Speaker 1>you not? He's like, do you know how exhausted I

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<v Speaker 1>am this week? I've given everything to work, to our family.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so tired and Billy king my eyes open, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say no, I need to put myself first.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to rest and I just want quality time

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys. I'm not going to go on volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>four hours and my Saturday afternoon like I'm sorry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember then realizing I was like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have shamed him for that. He's allowed to say

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<v Speaker 1>no and they're allowed to go get someone else. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool for me to see that. And I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really inspiring. You can say no, Yeah, doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>right for you and you don't have the capacity. Good

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<v Speaker 1>on you for honoring yourself. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>And what a beautiful opportunity for you to see even

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<v Speaker 2>how quickly it can be for us to turn something

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<v Speaker 2>of somebody else, right, it's just a split second and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously super harmless. Yeah, for it to then become a

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<v Speaker 2>problem of somebody immediately feeling guilt in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know. And I projected that onto him because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a yes person. So I was like, Oh, where

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<v Speaker 1>does this show up for me? That I'm making him

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<v Speaker 1>feel shameful. I would feel shameful for not putting my

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<v Speaker 1>hand up yes, because I've told myself to be loved

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<v Speaker 1>and to be accepted and to be liked, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say yes and do everything for everyone else. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, I can't actually have to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting, that's cool. Yeah, it was a cool

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<v Speaker 1>It was as years ago, but ye, at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>and now when he says no, I like respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that boundary boundary. It's so interesting. The

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<v Speaker 2>moving one is a I feel like it's so relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it's a torture, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh So my family are very much many hands make light.

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<v Speaker 1>Work, which is true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very true.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very hands on when it comes to moving up.

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<v Speaker 2>They are absolutely you bet you, I'm getting my name

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<v Speaker 2>put down for moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So my mom and my nana have always said stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that and the interesting you on. Like on my

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<v Speaker 2>mom's side, she's got lots of siblings and there's lots

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<v Speaker 2>of uncles and all the things. So when someone moves,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's in, like, everyone's all hands on deck, like helping move.

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<v Speaker 2>My uncles are in like all of the things. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when I first started coming into learning boundaries

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<v Speaker 2>myself and being able to say no to others. I

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<v Speaker 2>really had to implement it with family hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they would have been met with resistance. Like everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>helping except Tiana.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to get my mum on here to

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation about how much she hated it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, she hated it because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the first one in the family to actually start

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<v Speaker 2>saying no, to have boundaries, to say no, to say

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<v Speaker 2>no to being a helping hand, and unfortunately it was

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<v Speaker 2>met with gil what do you mean No, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just expected around.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone else is doing it. Why would you not? Why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you're superior? That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom and my dad are both very much will

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<v Speaker 2>literally give you the shirt off their backs. They will

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<v Speaker 2>go above and beyond. Right, So it's almost that expectation

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<v Speaker 2>was then put on me to do the same.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Hey, when you give a certain way, you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of expect it bad traditional.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so easy to do that. We all do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I just found it, yeah, really interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>receive that. And I like what you said around when

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have capacity, you're allowed to say no. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I learned through doing that was if I actually

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<v Speaker 2>just don't want to, I'm not going to.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't even have to be in capacity, you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my body, no, I don't want to help. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I can contribute in other ways that feels good to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's learning your own boundaries of going, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>you're asking of me doesn't feel good for me. However,

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<v Speaker 2>what I can contribute is this, And so what that

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<v Speaker 2>looked like for me is like Okay, all of you

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<v Speaker 2>have been working all day. I'm going to come. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to go buy lunch. I'm going to bring lunch

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<v Speaker 2>to everyone, beautiful, take care of everybody needed, and contribute

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that actually feels good. Bad. But don't

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<v Speaker 2>ask me to move a fucking washing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to break my back and worth risking my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, isn't it so interesting the different levels of

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<v Speaker 2>depth of boundaries. I had an experience where it was

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<v Speaker 2>my older sister Danny's thirtieth birthday and my sister Chantala

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<v Speaker 2>and I we weren't talking at the time. We had

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<v Speaker 2>like a break where we were like, not friends, not

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<v Speaker 2>talking for a little while, and we were just in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of conflict. So wee because you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>so close now, So yeah, I know it's so strange

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<v Speaker 2>in what life. Yeah laterally anyway, so we weren't talking,

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<v Speaker 2>we were in the middle of conflict and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Danny, you know, sending me the invite to

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<v Speaker 2>her birthday. And Danny and I live very separate lives,

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<v Speaker 2>love her, but we just lived very different lives. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're kiddies now, and she's very immersed in Mum life

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<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of stuff doesn't live here. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>she invited me, and I remember telling my parents like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go, and I ended up honoring

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<v Speaker 2>that and not going because Chantala and I were in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of conflict and I just thought it would

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<v Speaker 2>probably work out better if I'm not there. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was a selfish thing to some degree of like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to protect my peace. And also it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a if I go, it'll probably blow up, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want that for Danny, and I don't look out

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<v Speaker 2>for her birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tricky situation, though, isn't it. Yeah, it's definitely hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she was not happy with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then she's upset. And then you're upset because

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to go. But you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>blow up. You don't have to be uncomfortable. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be around that person, but you'll not go

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<v Speaker 1>there to be with your sister. Oh, that is tough.

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<v Speaker 2>And she couldn't understand my decision. She wasn't happy with it.

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<v Speaker 1>She couldn't have her birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye put your shit aside, Like, let's just show up,

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<v Speaker 2>come to the birthday. Celebrate me all the things, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just in that moment of time in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>I was very strong on my boundaries and I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I'm just not letting this lide. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it'll be good. Like I love you, I'll celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>you in other ways, but this isn't it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was a really hard thing because her being

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed in me was like really tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, so tough.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was the right. I still believe it was

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<v Speaker 2>the right to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's tricky. It's figuring it out what's right

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<v Speaker 1>for you, what's right for the situation, and where to

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<v Speaker 1>say yes and no to. But we just want to

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<v Speaker 1>have this conversation to bring more awareness around where you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying yes, where you're saying no, Where does it feel good,

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<v Speaker 1>where does it feel not? What's your reasons behind saying

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<v Speaker 1>yes and no? And just to check in more because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want it to let this shit build up

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<v Speaker 1>and build up and have resentment and be bitter. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just not a nice place to be, So just check

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<v Speaker 1>in more. When you automatically go to say yes, is

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<v Speaker 1>that coming from a place of people pleasing and fear

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<v Speaker 1>of abandonment and fear of rejection or fear of them

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<v Speaker 1>being angry, or you're saying yes because you genuinely have

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<v Speaker 1>the capacity and you genuinely want to do it. You're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to say no and stop assuming that they can't

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<v Speaker 1>handle it. It's in a nutshell.

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<v Speaker 2>Something that really helped me with what you just explained

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<v Speaker 2>was instead of immediately saying yes out of anxiousness of like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I got to fill the space. Oh yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>no worries, I'll do that, just going Hey, can you

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<v Speaker 2>give me a minute to think on that. I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>back to you this afternoon. Yes, giving yourself some time,

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<v Speaker 2>Give yourself some time. And yeah, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people I feel questioned like, oh I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the answer, I don't know what to do. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you actually check in with yourself and your body, your

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<v Speaker 2>body will tell you, like if you are questioning something,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you should or whether you shouldn't, or even if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a part of you that doesn't want to, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>actually know it. Give yourself permission to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>To that so true. And also I think I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bit easy. Maybe when you've got kids in

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<v Speaker 1>a partner but out of respect to Steve, I do

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<v Speaker 1>like to check in with him. Hey, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>have this afternoon? I've been invited to this, Like is

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<v Speaker 1>that all good? Have you got the kids? How are

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<v Speaker 1>you feeling? Where are you at? And he does the

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<v Speaker 1>same for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Like I wanted to go out to dinner with

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<v Speaker 1>so and so from hideaway? Is that all good? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have anything on?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>We check in with each other. That gives me that space,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you're allowed to use that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just check them all that part I live

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<v Speaker 1>and check with my family, make sure they're all good,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can make a decision from there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Would it gives you that space to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's easier to do that than it

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<v Speaker 2>is to go, oh no, I have to back.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, yes, you know, because then you feel guilty. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if you have to make askuse you're like should.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell a little white lie?

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't like you because then you feel good

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Yeah, for that, it's not who you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be. So yeah, giving yourself space, that's really good advice.

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