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Speaker 1: SITSI and Weather with Kate Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is a topic that everyone is talking about at

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Speaker 2: the moment, and young Aussies have been blasted as selfish

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Speaker 2: for wanting to work from home and there's growing calls

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Speaker 2: As a result, there are many Aussies, particularly younger workers,

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Speaker 2: who are very reluctant to return to pre COVID working arrangements.

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Speaker 1: Hybrid work as it's known things have changed, is.

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Speaker 2: Now the norm for many companies, but there are many

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Speaker 2: people that believe working from home needs to be dialed back.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, there are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: out there, such as a professor from the University of

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Speaker 2: New South Wales, Karen Sanders, who believes that employers who

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Speaker 2: try to force their staff back into the office more

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Speaker 2: days a week are going to see employees being.

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Speaker 1: Demotivated and less committed. Ryan James.

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Speaker 3: Could it be that those working from home and with

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Speaker 3: their new routine are working smarter, not harder. Maybe there's

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Speaker 3: some more efficiency about not coming in here and stuffing around,

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Speaker 3: Because I know in a lot of workplace you talk

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Speaker 1: Everybody loves a chat.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I can get up and go here's

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Speaker 3: my list of things to do today, and I can

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Speaker 3: take it off by midday and then I'll take the

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Speaker 3: dog for a walk. Well, you're almost driven to get

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you say that, but I hear a lot of

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Speaker 4: discussion around Oh, I get to work from home now,

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Speaker 4: and I mean, you know, these are the ways I

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Speaker 5: This is how I look busy.

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Speaker 1: Been on my laptop.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you're not.

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Speaker 6: Not.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is motivated when they're at home. Getting up and

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Speaker 4: going to the office can get them moving. And when

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Speaker 4: you're at home you can be so easily distracted.

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Speaker 1: How many times do you go to the fridge? Do

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Speaker 1: you know what?

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the fence here, because you know what,

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Speaker 2: I've grown up in teams, right with sporting teams, and

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Speaker 2: understand that a lot of these businesses want you in

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Speaker 1: Week because it does work. I know that.

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Speaker 2: But then I also I think these days and COVID

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Speaker 2: showed us that mental stability is so much more important

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Speaker 2: these days, and having your employees at one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: strike right and working the best for you.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it is one day a week.

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Speaker 2: I know Nova's even talked about this now because by

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Speaker 2: the looks of it, we have a majority of our

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Speaker 2: employees here Monday's Fridays aren't coming into the office.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so they're working from home two days a week.

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Speaker 2: Would it be motivation for people to come to work

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Speaker 2: to Nova if you do have Fridays off and you

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Speaker 3: Do you know what if you look at it two?

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Speaker 3: Because times are tight, right, everybody's trying to save a

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Speaker 3: then you get to pay him on you have to

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Speaker 1: I can save a.

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Speaker 3: Lot more money getting the job done from home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can we There's a guy that has a podcast

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Speaker 2: on this is very knowledgeable in this area. He's in

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Speaker 2: the corporate world for twenty years working at Goldman Sachs

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Speaker 2: traveled the world. His name's Cathor and he joins us. Now,

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Speaker 2: I tell you, there, buddy.

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Speaker 7: I am.

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Speaker 6: How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Can you just give us briefly careful just the pros

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Speaker 1: At home for an employer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of pros for working from home

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Speaker 7: for an employer. I mean, they definitely save costs, they

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Speaker 7: can reduce their office for sprints. That's a big one.

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Speaker 7: But there's also a lot of pros for the employee.

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Speaker 7: And actually happy employees make for happier customers as well

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Speaker 7: for those companies. So there's a lot of research on it, guys,

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Speaker 7: to be honest that come out over the last few

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Speaker 7: about the financial costs as well of commuting, that's a

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Speaker 7: the commute employees expect employers to make earn actual neut.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, but you do.

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Speaker 4: You think it depends on the individual, because I think

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Speaker 4: depending on how you're wired, you are either going to

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Speaker 4: be more productive in the office surrounded by other people

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Speaker 4: bit like when you were saying, FITZI you feel as

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Speaker 4: though you're part of a team and then there are

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Speaker 4: I can do two hours of work a seat of done.

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Speaker 7: Eight that's a fantastic point. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 7: who does like going into the office a few days

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Speaker 7: a week. But I think if you're doing deep work

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Speaker 7: Afternoon's really disturbing. So I actually want to stay at

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Speaker 7: So you're absolutely right. It depends on the person. But

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Speaker 7: I think the big companies they're doing is they're having

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Speaker 7: people come in two to three days a week for collaboration,

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Speaker 7: for training. That is what the leading companies in the

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Speaker 7: people to come into the office and having them sit

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Speaker 3: It was interesting when we went out to Optus not

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Speaker 3: What was great, though, was they put on a big show.

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Speaker 1: In there is Kather, Can I ask you?

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Speaker 2: Do you honestly because I see this as a bit

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Speaker 2: of a phase coming out of COVID. I'm thinking, God,

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Speaker 2: working this can't happen forever, and a majority of employers

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Speaker 1: Do you see this as a phase or do you

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Speaker 2: From a home will become more? People will be doing

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Speaker 7: think that the company that don't support it will lose

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Speaker 7: tough talent because people want flexibility. They they want it

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Speaker 1: Well, so well, Cathyl, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Ketyl does have a podcast as well, being Better

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Speaker 2: at Work as well, which is very interesting. We appreciate

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Speaker 2: your tom, can we We're getting a lot of callers

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Speaker 2: on this. Claudia has given us a call from evalon

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Speaker 2: now you prefer working from home?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that, Claude.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, guys, how are you?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So basically offend and I height right out in

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Speaker 6: which is really good. So I've written my own code

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Speaker 6: that keeps me active on Microsoft Team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So it looks like I'm busy all days, but actually

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Speaker 2: Say, you see, I don't I don't mind the initiative

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Speaker 2: in two hours, Claudia, right in the office, what do

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Speaker 6: Mostly get distracted by people who want to chat about

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Speaker 6: you know, like master chef, your maths.

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Speaker 3: Here, pay for it now? But what about this? What

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Speaker 3: if you were then to say to your boss, Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting it done in two hours. Why don't we

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Speaker 3: up my pay and I'll get four hours done. I

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Speaker 1: Little bit more cash.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because I like my current arrangement. I'm pretty relaxed.

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Speaker 5: How old are you, Claudia.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, claud just quickly, just on this Microsoft Teams. You've

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Speaker 6: So basically it says at the top whether you're a

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Speaker 3: But still, Claudia, it says down below, it's from employ

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Speaker 2: Bush, young Aussies have been blasted as selfish for wanting

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Speaker 2: to work from home. This is huge because growing calls

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon it'll be phased out at some stage

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Speaker 4: Look, I don't know. I mean, my working day is

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Speaker 1: Day, different world daties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I like coming into the office. I get

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Speaker 4: And I wonder if that this new generation who are

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Speaker 4: are going to miss out on all of those relationships.

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Speaker 5: You build with work.

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Speaker 1: But it was never the normal, was it.

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Speaker 5: No, they don't know any difference.

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Speaker 2: Do you know who else love's going into work? It's

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Speaker 2: Tatiana and more like she's given us a call. You

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Speaker 8: I do. It's for my rental health mainly, like I

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Speaker 8: can't be at home by myself all day. I want

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Speaker 1: I'm what do you do for work? What do you

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Speaker 8: I work in healthcare?

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Speaker 1: Oh great, gotcha? So have you tried working from all?

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Speaker 2: You would have had to over the pandemic and you

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was okay because I had other people at home,

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Speaker 8: in your offers, I'm kind of struggling, so I need

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Speaker 8: to go back part time.

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Speaker 3: But iand that we were brought up before as well,

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Speaker 3: which was a good point.

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Speaker 2: If you're prepared to climb the corporate ladder and make

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Speaker 2: your way up through a company, it's easier if you

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Speaker 2: go into the office and show the show up, show

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Speaker 2: the executives that you're here to work, and I'm here

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Speaker 2: Monday to Friday while everyone else is working at home. Tadiana,

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Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to promote yourself.

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Speaker 8: That's good. I'm going to actually thought about Tadiana.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing your situation.

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Speaker 1: Imagen.

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Speaker 2: Imagine is giving a school from Dover Heights. You're the

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Speaker 2: opposite image and knew you like working from home.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I definitely do. I mean I prefer to say

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Speaker 9: a lot of the things I do is just I

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Speaker 9: an hour by public tranceport. Just with you know, the

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Speaker 9: costs of it, everyone, you know, being sick, especially in

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Speaker 9: the winter, COVID's going around the office. I much prefer,

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Speaker 9: you know, having that option and staying at home when

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Speaker 9: I choose.

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Speaker 4: What's the thing that gets you into the office though,

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Speaker 4: I mean you're probably being made too. But do you

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Speaker 4: have a nice relationships there or does it get you

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Speaker 4: out of your rug boots? What if for someone who

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Speaker 4: prefers to be at home, is there a positive going in?

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Speaker 9: There are definitely some positives. Wednesday's my team day, Hence

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Speaker 9: I'm going into the office and we have a nice

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Speaker 9: morning tea. You know, if everyone's in the office, then

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's really by That's it the sandwiches in

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Speaker 2: Oh, I dare say that working from home would be

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's an area where a lot of employees

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Speaker 2: to know that you can work from home. Image and

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Speaker 2: so they're not pushing you, they're not pushing you to come.

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Speaker 1: Into the office a little bit more.

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Speaker 9: No, not at the moment, I think, you know, being

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Speaker 9: My office at least is pretty happy with the hybrid

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Speaker 9: working structure, and it looks like all the employees are too.

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Speaker 1: So do you have.

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Speaker 2: A snack stand at work, imagen where you can go

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Speaker 9: We don't, Unfortunately, I would have loved that.

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Speaker 1: Though we've got one in her We've got one good, well,

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Speaker 1: we have.

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Speaker 5: One in Hell. We have a snack standard.

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Speaker 2: Health that is, but do you know what?

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Speaker 1: Why has it been taken a tommy? Do we know what?

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Speaker 4: That's very sad and I'm considering making muffins was costing

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Speaker 4: five hundred dollars a week?

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Speaker 2: Whah yeah yeah, but you know what, it's we need

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Speaker 2: the snacks back. If you want employees here at to

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Speaker 2: give us some of those veggie chips and I want

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