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Speaker 1: I'll get a groovers. It's Harps and Melissa and Deborah,

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Speaker 1: it's us, it's you. It's a bloody You project. It's Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday. As we sit down to do this, it's

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Speaker 1: raining in the thriving metropolis. And I looked at my

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Speaker 1: phone just before and there's only about ten days in

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Speaker 1: a row of rain. So at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: I'm building an arc with some of my mates, and

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Speaker 1: we're just looking for animals two by two because it

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Speaker 1: does seem somewhat theological out there and it could be

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Speaker 1: the end of times. But batten down the hatches. We

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Speaker 1: don't know, Melissa, do you think the apocalypse is upon us?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 3: Quite possibly. I've got my flippers and my snorkel. I'm

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Speaker 3: ready to go if you do need to go with

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Speaker 3: the animals two by tea.

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Speaker 1: Can you make sure you catch that cat, that cool

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Speaker 1: to make sure that cat gets on the arch. There's

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Speaker 1: a cat that lives near me everyone. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what his name is, but he's big as a fucking dog.

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Speaker 1: He is black, and he gives no fucks, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think he knows that he's a cat. I think

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Speaker 1: he thinks that he's a dog, and he just comes

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Speaker 1: these two big comfy chairs, jumps up on one of

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Speaker 1: them and just sunbakes, and he goes, I'll just be

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Speaker 1: here if you need me. So anyway, are you an

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Speaker 2: Debrahadn' oh, Hello, I'm an animal person, but I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: a dog.

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Speaker 3: I'm a dog, massive dog lover.

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Speaker 2: Funny enough, I just bought a T shirt online the

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Speaker 2: other day that says, sorry I'm late.

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Speaker 3: I saw a dog and I loved it. I bought

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Speaker 3: two of them, and I just thought, that's so me.

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Speaker 3: I'm such a dog person.

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Speaker 2: I had the most beautiful animal for nine years called Billy,

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Speaker 2: and she was a Vishon crossed with Shitsu Wow, And

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Speaker 2: unfortunately I left her with my boyfriend at the time,

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Speaker 2: her off lead because she doesn't know you're the commands. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: she got run over, so I therefore turned into one

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Speaker 2: of those crazy dogs ladies that just hugs and talks

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Speaker 3: Dog voice, and yeah, I'm a massive dog lover.

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Speaker 1: How long ago did Billy go to God? The big ken.

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Speaker 3: Billy left me? I would say more five years ago.

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Speaker 1: It's time. It's time.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I know it's time, and it's time going.

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Speaker 1: Around go to the lost dogs home.

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Speaker 3: Don't get a rescue, I know, but you see, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you don't know.

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Speaker 2: So my circumstances have changed, and I've moved out of

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Speaker 2: Sydney and I'm on this block and we can talk

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Speaker 2: about a lot, but I'm on this block that doesn't

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Speaker 2: I just thinking, I'm thinking now it'll be more like

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Speaker 2: I've found a couple of sites where they've got and

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of older people that unfortunately having to

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Speaker 3: And so that's what I'm thinking of doing, because then.

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Speaker 2: For they know, they kind of know, they know when

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Speaker 2: they've got their shit together. So that's that's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, just softly, softly, that's when it's one step

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Speaker 1: So where are living at the minute? Not in so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know how many are the Sydney,

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Speaker 3: That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 2: And it's literally just an over an hour from Sydney,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I tried to do that lesson less

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I moved earlier this year.

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Speaker 3: So I've I've changed location. I'm out of the madness.

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Speaker 1: And have you got like a bit of space, Like,

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Speaker 1: is it not cluttered where you are? Are you're near

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look it's I don't know, it's sort of a

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Speaker 3: And you talking about rain earlier.

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Speaker 2: We've had massive rain bombs down here this year and

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Speaker 2: my land suffered a massive landslide.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's adorable, and I've found that horrible.

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Speaker 2: I've spent tens of dollars on it, and I've gone

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Speaker 3: But what's happening that the house is.

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Speaker 2: Fine, but the end of the land has had all this,

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Speaker 3: So I'm now sort of dealing with that. But you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got space around me, but I've got beautiful community,

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Speaker 2: fresh air, the ocean I listened to at night. Everyone smiles,

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Speaker 2: everyone's got a dog. Everyone. There's dog beaches.

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Speaker 3: You're allowed.

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Speaker 2: There's dog beaches everywhere, which is incredible because you've got

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Speaker 3: That in Sydney?

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Speaker 2: And and yeah, I just feel like I've just made

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Speaker 3: It's unreal.

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Speaker 1: Well, if anyone's interested in the area that's listening to this,

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Speaker 1: so just hit her up. Look for the shit hat,

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Speaker 1: look for the crappy shit house with asbestos near the water.

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Speaker 1: Just knock on the door. And the woman in the

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Speaker 3: No, I'm wearing the T shirt that says sorry I'm

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Speaker 1: Do you know someone gave me a very similar T shirt? Literally, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: you know this because I've worn it to death and

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Speaker 1: it says sorry, I'm late. I didn't want to be here.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Now, for the seven people out of

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Speaker 1: know who Debra is, media personality, entrepreneur, author, speaker, brand ambassador,

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Speaker 1: master's Ceremonies, TV hosts, a one time super duper international model. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want you to be honest. I want you to

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Speaker 1: look at my face and I don't I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to hold back. Right, don't fuck around, Melissa, stop

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Speaker 1: laughing now, Debrah hatton.

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Speaker 3: That both of us are laughing.

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Speaker 1: No, don't fuck around. Has my international modeling career window

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Speaker 3: Oh? So it actually arrived.

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Speaker 4: Help.

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Speaker 1: That's hurtful, Lissa. You said she was a nice lady.

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Speaker 1: You said, oh, she's lovely, this will be fun.

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Speaker 3: Don't believe you?

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Speaker 1: What do I say?

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Speaker 3: Don't believe anything you see nothing about your year or

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Speaker 1: So I spoke a bit about what you do before,

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Speaker 1: what you well, how do you keep busy these days?

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Speaker 1: And are you working flat out or you're kind of

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: The whole idea was to be working a little less

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Speaker 3: It was like, wow, this is I know.

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Speaker 2: That finished off the beginning of the year, and then

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Speaker 3: Stuff, and then I've been traveling around to doing ken

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Speaker 4: I'm just now towards the end of the year, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: But the whole thing is for me to to be

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Speaker 2: Just that interestingly that that actual that physical separation from

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Speaker 3: That's sort of what it feels like. But I don't

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Speaker 2: It's out as I used to have sorid have done that.

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Speaker 2: So now they're pet projects and passion projects. Put it

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Speaker 1: just seemed like I guess, and then I went, this

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00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: is shit. And other times where I've said no, and

440
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 1: then it's proven to be the absolute right choice almost,

441
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Speaker 1: I think, like the funny thing and as I said

442
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: to you before, like I'm literally studying the brain in

443
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: the mind, you know, in my research, and I believe

444
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: that there's another level of intelligence, awareness and understanding and

445
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 1: knowledge that doesn't come through what we've been taught or

446
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: even what we've seen or where we've been. There's like

447
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: something that where the fuck comes from? I don't know,

448
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: but it's there for a reason. And I think we

449
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Speaker 1: don't listen in inverted comments enough.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I one hundred percent agree with that. Look,

451
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 2: if you want to go there, it's kind of past

452
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 2: lives or whatever you've you've come through stuff. It comes

453
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Speaker 2: through from all different directions. And I think, you know,

454
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Speaker 2: that's that's an important part of knowing who you are

455
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: and tapping tapping into that. I think it's it's important

456
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Speaker 2: because not everything makes sense on paper. Not everything you

457
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: can't just nothing's just so two dimensional. It's just so

458
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Speaker 2: much more to it.

459
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Speaker 4: You know.

460
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Speaker 2: And and for me, I you know, I I didn't like, I.

461
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Speaker 3: Didn't I didn't do any tertiary education. I didn't even

462
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Speaker 3: finish my HC.

463
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Speaker 2: I basically, you know, I went to New York at eighteen,

464
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Speaker 2: and I I have my learnings have come through being.

465
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Speaker 3: On the road. It's the road of life, and I

466
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Speaker 3: have learned through people.

467
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the greatest learning thing is the experience,

468
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Speaker 2: is the relationships you have with people, those who really

469
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Speaker 2: enjoy those you can't stand those, all those you know,

470
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Speaker 2: recencies in lifetime, people that come in, that's where you learn.

471
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Speaker 3: If you're intuitive and you're picking up on that.

472
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Speaker 2: You know, when I was much younger, you know, I

473
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Speaker 2: would just I suppose I didn't know what it was,

474
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Speaker 2: but I was looking at people around me, and I

475
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Speaker 2: was looking at them, not that I even knew what

476
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Speaker 2: to call it, but obviously they were a mentor in

477
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Speaker 2: some way, you know. I mean I worked you know,

478
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Speaker 2: God love Maggie Tabor. I mean, yeah, he was a

479
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: she is an incredible woman. But I worked with her

480
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Speaker 2: in a modeling sense, and then I just we stayed friends.

481
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Speaker 2: And she's been, you know, just such an impact in

482
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Speaker 2: my earlier life. And I've had different people that have

483
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Speaker 2: come in. And I suppose when you're a bit younger

484
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Speaker 2: and you're trying to figure out who you are, it

485
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Speaker 2: takes a long time to figure out who.

486
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Speaker 3: You are and you know you and I think you

487
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Speaker 3: just to get.

488
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Speaker 2: To stage in life where you can put a mirror

489
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Speaker 2: and go No, I'm actually I'm pretty I'm pretty.

490
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Speaker 3: Happy with that person.

491
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Speaker 2: But I can't tell you seriously, Greg, it took me

492
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Speaker 2: years to get to there.

493
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Speaker 3: It took decades for me to get to there. It's

494
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Speaker 3: that whole fake it do you make it thing?

495
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Speaker 1: You know I want to do? You want to hear

496
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: my theory on it? Yeah, see, here's what I reckon.

497
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Speaker 1: It's just my working theory.

498
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Speaker 5: Everyone.

499
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Speaker 1: It could be completely fucking wrong. I reckon. It's really

500
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Speaker 1: hard when you're guy or girl, doesn't matter. But in

501
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: your case, a young lady, you're beautiful and everyone knows

502
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Speaker 1: you're beautiful, and you're getting work because you're beautiful.

503
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Speaker 6: Your job is literally be beautiful. We're going to take

504
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Speaker 6: pictures of you. You're beautiful, and you've got to be

505
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 6: in shape and gorgeous, and that's your literally, that's your currency.

506
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 6: So of course your sense of self and self worth

507
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Speaker 6: will at least be partly, if not totally, tied to

508
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Speaker 6: that physical representation. Right, So, we want your we want you.

509
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Speaker 6: We're going to give you money, we're going to sign you.

510
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Speaker 6: You're going to be important, you're going to be This

511
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Speaker 6: the wrong word, but it's kind of right. A commodity,

512
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Speaker 6: a tradable commodity and sell your face and da, da da,

513
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Speaker 6: How the fuck do you come out of that.

514
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Speaker 1: Being not completely fucked in the head? And do you

515
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? How do you be sane? And

516
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: how do you not how do you not have a gigantic, destructive,

517
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: toxic ego? And also how do you so many questions

518
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Speaker 1: HAPs how do you how do you have a sense

519
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Speaker 1: of who I am beyond what you look like?

520
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Speaker 2: I think that's a look, that's a very it's a

521
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Speaker 2: very good question, and you're absolutely right in terms of

522
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Speaker 2: modeling in such an I and I remember I did

523
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Speaker 2: it for six years, and I was I was very

524
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Speaker 2: fortunate that I could that I picked up.

525
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Speaker 3: I picked up like Grace Brothers hence you know Grace

526
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Speaker 3: Brother's mine. I worked with them through because that was

527
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Speaker 3: the first time that I.

528
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Speaker 2: That I could actually have a contribution of some kind

529
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Speaker 2: other than just smile there and wear these clothes.

530
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Speaker 3: Right. So I literally lasted modeling.

531
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Speaker 2: It's in essential thing as for six years and I

532
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: got so fucking bored with it. I smoked so many

533
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: cigarettes and I can only so many scarves that you

534
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: can knit, And.

535
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Speaker 3: It was like, you know, what I just like, enough

536
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: is enough. So I was very.

537
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Speaker 2: Fortunate to get away from that and then go and

538
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Speaker 2: work with the marketing department. And then then I learned

539
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Speaker 2: how to get up in front of you know, crowds

540
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Speaker 2: and speak to people and interview people. And that was

541
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Speaker 2: my one step, my huge step out of that, you know,

542
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: getting up and doing commercials. Doing speaking commercials is a

543
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Speaker 2: big deal. Oh my god, you actually want me to

544
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Speaker 2: say something, wow.

545
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Speaker 3: And so then you know so, and then the steps

546
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Speaker 3: you know, you do that, and then the next thing

547
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Speaker 3: you know, you know. I mean, I remember when I got.

548
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Speaker 2: The call from Nannie King, who was one of the

549
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: greatest magazine editors of all time, when she said, I

550
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: want you to come on as the beauty editor, and.

551
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: I thought, oh the fuck. I'm not a journalist, but yeah, great.

552
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: I'd been in the fashion beauty.

553
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Speaker 2: Industry and I and I you know, I'm working with

554
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: mya for fifteen years.

555
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: I learned a lot about retail.

556
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: I learn a lot about how to market and retailing

557
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: experience and working with customers and so all that information.

558
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: And then it's like, Okay, now we're going to go

559
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Speaker 2: into publications and we're going to have a voice of

560
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: a different kind. So I'm very fortunate that the roles

561
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: that I took on, even though they still obviously needed

562
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: my face, and then it became my voice, and then

563
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Speaker 2: it's and then it's like and over time, obviously I've

564
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: had much more important I've you know, started different businesses

565
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: and whatever. But I but I think, look, it is

566
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: what it is. That's modeling industries. It's definitely going to

567
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: You're going to have hang ups. I still have a

568
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: hang up. I'm sixty. I still look at it and.

569
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: Go, bloody, hell, am I really? Am I really? Do

570
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: I really have more metopause tummy? And do I really

571
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: do I have to inherit my mother's thighs? Did I

572
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: really have to my mother's eyes? And I'm turning it

573
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: to my mother about okay? And so yeah, look, you

574
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: know it's it's a very image driven. Decades of being

575
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: image driven. How do I get over that? I don

576
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: I still have some.

577
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: Issues around image that I go, well, you know, as

578
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: I get older it's I careless but whatever. But yeah,

579
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: I've just been lucky, I think in terms of just

580
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: learning life and being in the right environment with the

581
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: right people, And therefore I've managed to get through that

582
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: thing where it's just you're just a face and a voice.

583
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Speaker 1: So I also think you probably underestimate how how much

584
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: you you have been in a learning curve for you know,

585
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: forty years, forty five years, right, because no, you didn't

586
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: go to university and you didn't finish year twelve, but

587
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: you've constantly been at the coal face of experiential learning

588
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: like you, and you continue to learn, right, You're doing

589
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: new things, you're starting new businesses, you're having new adventures,

590
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: you're solving problems, you're resolving conflict, you're creating I mean,

591
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: all of these things are learning. And it's just that

592
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: in our culture, for some stupid reason, we don't value

593
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: that kind of all. We don't hold that kind of

594
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: learning or education or knowledge or understanding in the same esteem.

595
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of the smartest I'm just

596
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: talking about intellect, right. People confuse qualifications with intelligence or

597
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: PhDs or masters or whatever. And by the way, if

598
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: you've got one, that's great, and you might be a genius,

599
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: but also you might not be. But also maybe you

600
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: finish school at year nine and you're a fucking genius

601
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: as well. Like education and intelligence aren't necessarily correlated. Some

602
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: of the smartest people that I know. My training partner

603
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: finished school at year ten or eleven, who everyone knows

604
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: lovingly as the crab training partner. He's ten times smarter

605
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: than me. I'm a fucking wombat compared to him. You know,

606
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: he's just smart and he figures it out that I

607
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: cannot figure out. And by the way, if you get

608
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: stuck on an island where someone don't get stuck with me,

609
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: you'll be dead by lunchtime. He will build a city

610
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: by fucking January. Right, Yeah, Like, you know.

611
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: What, what I've bought.

612
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: One of my things that I just I live by

613
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: is always surround yourself with people who are smarter than you.

614
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: And I do that.

615
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: I do that because I know my deficiencies. I know

616
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: what I'm not good at, and I know what I'm

617
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: good at, and so I have you know, I have

618
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: people around me that not only they're providing an incredible

619
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: service in terms of you know, bookkeepers and.

620
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: Accountants for like you know, only twenty five thirty years.

621
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: I've got people around me, and I've just got friends

622
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: that I just they're smarter than me, and I lean

623
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: on them.

624
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: And and sure if it makes you know, for I go, okay,

625
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: that's great.

626
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: I've got to cover because I'm not the smartest, you know,

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sort of street smart and I.

628
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: Do what I can.

629
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Speaker 2: But I I've got some as I go back, I've

630
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: got some seriously good people, and I'm.

631
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: Not embarrassed to reach out and go, I'm the last

632
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: year does you want to do?

633
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: And then? And that's why you have your mates and

634
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: the ones that will stand by you, you know, in

635
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: times where you're just a little bit confused and need

636
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: a bit of an arrow pointing in the right direction.

637
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: But intelligence also is fluid, like it depends. In certain situations,

638
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you will be wildly smarter, more capable, and more in

639
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: tune than me. In something else, I'll be the smart one, right,

640
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: It depends. It's situation dependent, task dependent, role dependent, environment dependent.

641
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: Like there, Like intelligence is a really big, big what

642
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: we call in science construct or thing. It's intelligence is

643
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: not a thing, it's a fucking hundred things. I mean,

644
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: you're socially and emotionally intelligent, highly intelligent because why because

645
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: you've been around people since you're fifteen, communicating, connecting, relating, developing, rapport,

646
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: reading people, reading rooms, navigating and negotiating the human experience

647
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: and working for yourself. And one of the byproducts of

648
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: that is that you're highly highly emotionally socially intelligent. Right,

649
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: But then you get other people who are academically intelligent.

650
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: You put them in front of room to deliver a message.

651
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: And I've seen it, like you get on stage with

652
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: your year ten qual and you fucking kill it and

653
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: you wow the crowd and you create engagement and you

654
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: read the room and you create a beautiful experience. Or

655
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: they put you in front of a camera, lights in

656
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: your face, make up all over your holding a mic

657
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: and you crush it. You put someone with a high

658
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: IQ in that situation, maybe they're brilliant, typically not. So

659
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a thing, it's many things.

660
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: So yes, very true.

661
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you think you're going to be

662
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: doing in five or ten years? Is that house going

663
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: to be built and you're going to be sitting back

664
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: on the porch looking at the bloody ocean or what?

665
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's the plan.

666
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's probably at least four years away. So at

667
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: the moment I'm learning again, I'm learning about subsort of drainage.

668
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: You know, drill reads, civil engineering, what all that means.

669
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: So learning a've bit of learning curve there. And this

670
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: is a very different build to to where I wasn't bronting.

671
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: So it's another big project. But at the moment, I'm.

672
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: Just honestly just with what's going on in the world.

673
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: I just want to just sit. And so I bought

674
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: this block of land with a DA already approved for

675
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: a magnificent house, one of my favorite architects. And then

676
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: now I've been living here for six months and an

677
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: at nah, I need to redesign the house and I

678
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: don't want it to be this and I want it

679
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: to be that. So I'm just going to take a

680
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: breath out and and.

681
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: Five years we should. I just hope that my knee

682
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: holds out.

683
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: I hope I'm sitting in my little house that is

684
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: that feels like me. I hope that I'm still you know,

685
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 2: I hope that I still got these beautiful people in

686
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: my life that I love dearly.

687
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: I still want to be working, but I'm normally working

688
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: that hard.

689
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: I made my passion of I said, these, you know,

690
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: these the hats is a huge passion because of all

691
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: my skin cancer and you know, that's an area that

692
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: really interests me to to help others.

693
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: That's kind of become a passion thing, is true.

694
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, look but I've never been able to answer

695
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: that question to any point when they say we're gonna

696
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: be five years time fucked.

697
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: If I know, I'm just happy to be around. Take that.

698
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: Take that stupid fucking question out, Melissa, dumb ass now

699
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: now just quickly before we let you go. Following on

700
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: from course, had a couple of bouts of skin cancer.

701
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty pretty hairy infiltrating BCCs. So the thing

702
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: that people don't understand, Look, melanone is a killer. And

703
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: then just below that, since sccs and BCCs and if

704
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: they're and if they're left unattended, some of them can

705
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: still get into the bloodstream and cause a problem. So

706
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: so yeah, I had I had on ten nine years ago,

707
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: ten ars ago, and then it unfortunately, it came back

708
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: in a particular area.

709
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: If there's anything around the nose lip.

710
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Chin area, it's like a little freeway for cancer cells

711
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: to pass through, and if there's been any former surgery,

712
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: that's the trauma area and they tend to target. So

713
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: it came back two years ago pretty significant, had a

714
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: very serious.

715
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: You know, flat surgery anyway, all good, you know, and

716
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: so I just you know, it's so funny.

717
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Out of the hundreds of thousands of photographs that I

718
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: have had taken since in seventy eight, I reckon the

719
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: photograph that I posted of the really ugly cancer ugly

720
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: skin cancer scar that I posted on Instagram.

721
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: It was probably the most important photograph I've ever I've

722
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: ever had taken ever, because it.

723
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: Went viral, and that was first I really understood how

724
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: positive and good social media could really be. And it

725
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: just opened up this world. And I can't tell you.

726
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: I keep getting letters from people today saying thank you,

727
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: thank you for keep pushing the message. So you know,

728
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: I did something on Channel seven this year called skin Deep,

729
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: and so I try to keep pushing that message, and

730
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: I still get all these people saying, wow, I've not

731
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: gone to chase it up, had I had not had

732
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: my skin checked.

733
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: You know.

734
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: I found it it was melanoma. I found out it

735
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: was this and thank you, thank you, thank you. So

736
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: so that is just being worth it. It's just been

737
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: worth it for that, and it continues to be something

738
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: that people are inspiring me because I can see what's happening.

739
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: And look, I've been through two significant surgeries on my

740
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: face and ship skin heels.

741
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: Right, it's fine, you get it out, you move on.

742
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: Don't be scared because skin heels and you've just got

743
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: to go and get it checked. So so yeah, I

744
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: think that's you know, I just feel that going in

745
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: the future.

746
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: For me, it's a really this is this is austronym,

747
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: is the is this skin cancer country of the world.

748
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: And we need to be really onto that, you know, personally,

749
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: take responsibility for the younger generation to know the damage.

750
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: So it's trying to protect yourself and my generation this generation.

751
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: Just get yourself checked. That's two big, big messages. That's

752
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: why cannopy Bay has been such a beautiful project for

753
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: me because I also get to go out and talk

754
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: about it and meet people, and everyone I speak to

755
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: is here's my this is my scar, this is what happened,

756
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: this is this and this and this and the other end,

757
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's very very rewarded.

758
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's point people towards that. So canopy Bay,

759
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: dot canopy Bay one word, dot com, dot au is

760
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Deborah's site for that and all that that stuff. And

761
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: also house dot com dot au go check that out.

762
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of shit going on, also, Debrah

763
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Hutton dot com. Yeah it's all there.

764
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. It's all. It's all good.

765
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: I like I like the balance of everything. Now great a.

766
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Woman who's not doing much, you're doing a lot. Your

767
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: version of lazy is everyone else's version of fucking chaotic.

768
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, I like.

769
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: To I don't like to be married, but I love

770
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: having my own time. I love, you know, just exercising, walking.

771
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: I'm never bored. I'm never I've never been bored in

772
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: my life.

773
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: Even if I've got nothing to do, there's always something

774
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: that's going to entertain me, amuse me, interest me, have curiosity,

775
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And I think if you've got that,

776
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: you remain ageless.

777
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: You can talk to anybody. That's what I think. I'm

778
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: I think I'm very very lucky. I'm very lucky.

779
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: Well I think you've created a bit of that luck too,

780
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: debrahat and your ace, your ace, you're a big deal.

781
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: You're a big fucking deal. And we're super happy that

782
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: you chatted to us on the project.

783
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: We feel deficily it's been really really gorgeous.

784
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: I love your laid back Larkin. I love Alaricans. I

785
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: love laid back Alaricans.

786
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: We sweat, kind of. That's kind of my default setting.

787
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: Stay right there, we will say goodbye fair Thanks everyone,