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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannons.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, if One, CEO Stefano Domenicali moves provocatively

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Speaker 1: several contentious possible changes to the Formula One format and

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Speaker 1: we look ahead to this weekends Azerbaijan Grand Prix and

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Speaker 1: the next chapter of the title Battle. My name is

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Speaker 1: Michael Lomonato. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co host. He knows Azerbaijan isn't a

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Speaker 1: European race and it never was.

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Speaker 2: It's Matt Clayton, never was, never will be, Michael, And

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Speaker 2: as I always go back to the European Grand Prix

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Speaker 2: that was there at what twenty sixty or whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: The speeds are higher in the land of Fire. One

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Speaker 2: of the great slogans for any sporting event.

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Speaker 3: It's a resonation with me.

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Speaker 2: More than well done backer at the time because they've

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Speaker 2: gone to such an effort, but good for them, and

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Speaker 2: the speeds will be higher because this is so shud

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Speaker 2: become a really really fun Grand Prix, This one, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's generally you can't say categorically about any circuit

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Speaker 1: that it delivers action every weekend just a temper expectations,

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Speaker 1: but this one is a highest strike rate than most,

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Speaker 1: I think, and if nothing else, you're always liable to

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Speaker 1: get something random happen over the course of the weekend,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a crash and qualifying, weird safety car in

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Speaker 1: the race, or a support truck hitting a hoarding over

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Speaker 1: the track untilaying practice by several hours, it's going to

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Speaker 1: happen here in the land of fire. Which I could

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Speaker 1: have comet with a rhyme for that, but look, I'm

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Speaker 1: not as good as them, so I'm happy to accept that.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks off between races mad since the

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Speaker 1: Italian Grand Prix, when you have time to decompress from

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Speaker 1: the end of the European season. Eight rounds to go,

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Speaker 1: one third of the championship remaining, still a little bit

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Speaker 1: to go, but it means we're moving on to Azerbaijan.

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Speaker 1: But in the week, a couple of weeks break, I

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Speaker 1: should say. One of the stories that has been doing

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Speaker 1: the rounds is some quotes from F one CEO Stefano Domenicali,

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Speaker 1: who did a long press conference with the Italian media

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Speaker 1: at the Italian Grand Prix in which he's done something

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Speaker 1: he's done a few times before, perhaps a little bit

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Speaker 1: more explicitly this time, and that's raised a variety of ways.

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Speaker 1: He thinks Formula one can refresh itself to make sure

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Speaker 1: it continues to ride this wave of popularity that's taken

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Speaker 1: it to status as from its status as a declining

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Speaker 1: sport a decade or so ago to one that's very

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Speaker 1: much in the public zitegeist. And Matt, I want to

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Speaker 1: run some of them by you. I'm sure you've read them.

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Speaker 1: But the big one, I think, because this was the

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Speaker 1: new one, that's the one he hadn't raised before, is

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Speaker 1: that maybe Grand Prix's well, maybe they're just a bit

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Speaker 1: too long. Maybe attention spans aren't up for ninety minutes,

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Speaker 1: God forbid an hour and a half, and maybe we

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Speaker 1: should shorten races now. Like I said, this is a

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Speaker 1: new idea. He didn't say explicitly wanted to do it,

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Speaker 1: let's be clear, but he certainly let's say round it

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Speaker 1: up the flag pole to He's a phrase and the

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Speaker 1: responses have been interesting.

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Speaker 2: This is a classic DOMINICALI trait in that there'll be

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Speaker 2: a thought bubble that he just projects out there and

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Speaker 2: tests the prevailing wind with these things. It's a bit

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Speaker 2: of a it's something that he's done quite often through

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Speaker 2: his Steward's super the sport. I don't mind as a

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Speaker 2: discussion point because I feel this is like one of

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Speaker 2: those existential questions that every sport seems to ask yourself

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Speaker 2: these days. And you pick a sport that you like,

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Speaker 2: particularly at international one, and there's always this do we

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Speaker 2: need more action in the same amount of time or

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Speaker 2: do we need a shorter amount of time? And quite interestingly,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this last week where the NBA

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Speaker 2: was talking about to start it's season and they were

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Speaker 2: talking about it's various viewing platforms this year they go

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Speaker 2: into multiple channels and what have you, and the CEO

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Speaker 2: basically said, well, you know, it's a highlights driven league

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Speaker 2: and people can just watch the highlights.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of interesting because that's kind of where this perhaps starts.

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting to me in that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: this in the context of the calendar getting bigger over time,

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Speaker 2: and there's something about the size of the calendar these

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Speaker 2: because there is the interest now that perhaps there wasn't

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Speaker 2: Formula one's table. But when you have a twenty four

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Speaker 2: because there were so few of them. And so if

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Speaker 2: you're looking at a ballooned calendar, yes, you're still going

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Speaker 2: to have some crazy races, You're still going to have

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Speaker 2: some unpredictable races. You going to have some boring races,

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Speaker 2: But because it's twenty four of them, it's perhaps we

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Speaker 2: remember the ones more often than we remember the good ones.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of the duration of a race, I'm

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Speaker 2: very much of a certain age and a bit of

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Speaker 2: a purist with these sorts of things. I don't like

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Speaker 2: the dumbing down of a sport that's got as much

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Speaker 2: because you might capture an audience that's slightly interested or

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Speaker 2: and will say, well, if this thing's only going to

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Speaker 3: I'll watch it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that there's I have a couple of problems

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Speaker 1: with this as a concept, not as a principle of

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Speaker 1: trying to attract new audiences, Because any sport that simply

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Speaker 1: accepts that it's doing all right now and we'll do

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Speaker 1: nothing about that, we'll decline again. You know, formulae was

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Speaker 1: more popular and then it declined, and now it's at

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Speaker 1: this unprecedented level of popularity.

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Speaker 4: It can happen. These things can be cyclical.

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Speaker 1: But I don't like and something that really frustrates me

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Speaker 1: about whether it's sports, CEOs or whatever, you get this

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Speaker 1: argument often that younger generations just have shorter attention spans.

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Speaker 1: Because I just don't think that that's an accurate way

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Speaker 1: to sum it up, and then therefore making things shorter

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Speaker 1: people wouldn't go to the movies anymore. People wouldn't binge

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Speaker 1: at least ninety minutes, if not much longer. Certainly, consumption

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Speaker 1: habits have changed. Even Fernando Alonso said during a ninety

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Speaker 4: A great thing to do, I suppose.

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Speaker 1: But the consumptions have changed, and that's fine, and there's

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Speaker 1: no need to chase that in a way that fundamentally

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Speaker 1: alters the core idea of the product, which is proving successful.

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Speaker 1: You know, we shouldn't well, we should be able to

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Speaker 1: experiment and change things. And I think Domnicali has done

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Speaker 1: a great job during his time at the Helm, and

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Speaker 1: even Chase Key before him, of introducing change to a

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Speaker 1: the ninety minutes or the three hundred and five kilometers

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Speaker 1: as it is for everywhere except Monaco, is sort of

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Speaker 1: to forty five minute halves. And you know, write in

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Speaker 1: your own blanks for all your other sports. Those things

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Speaker 1: are pretty integral. I think, you know, he argued that, well,

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Speaker 1: highlights are doing pretty well for them, and you could

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Speaker 1: argue that that's because the highlights are free and easy

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Speaker 1: to watch. And even I watched the highlights back sometimes,

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Speaker 1: so I don't want to rewatch an entire Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: to see the various flashpoints that happened or whatever. There

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Speaker 1: are lots of reasons, and I know he knows that.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he's not an idiot. He's just saying this in

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Speaker 1: his words to be provocative and, like you say, to

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Speaker 1: just not convinced that shortening a race is going to

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 1: I think it may even have been Andrea kiman Antonelli

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Speaker 1: who said it. You know, then what are you going

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Speaker 1: to do about strategy, because right now a lot of

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Speaker 1: races could probably be completed with no stops or one stop.

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Speaker 1: Then what are you going to start to make more

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Speaker 1: convoluted rules to ensure that there's some kind of variation

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced sure the races are better.

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Speaker 3: Sure to not necessarily better.

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Speaker 2: And the point that Antonelli makes, which a young guy

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Speaker 2: the thing he mentions about this it fundamentally changes the

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Speaker 2: well just have like just a wide lap shoot out.

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Speaker 2: Just do that and then it'll be over in five

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Speaker 2: doing whatever else we do with our lives. But you

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Speaker 2: see my point here. It fundamentally changes the way a

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Speaker 2: sure Monza was over in an hour and a quarter.

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Speaker 2: Not a great deal happened, And the only stuff that

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Speaker 3: Probably, but it wasn't that.

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Speaker 2: We wouldn't be talking about anything but going back to

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Speaker 2: something you picked up before, Formula ones in this unique

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Speaker 2: eat it too, because you can keep the purity of

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Speaker 2: a three hundred and five kilometer Grand pre distance. But

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Speaker 2: you've got this other thing called the sprint, which, if

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Speaker 2: you perhaps want to tweak that around the edges, maybe

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Speaker 2: that's where Formula one best captures the attention poor fan base.

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Speaker 2: But it fills with me with the sprint, is that

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Speaker 2: Formula ones never quite always feels like they're apologizing for

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Speaker 2: having them. There's so few of them. They're at random times.

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Speaker 2: There was a gap this year where I reckon. We

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Speaker 2: and we're, oh, on, there's a springtime. I've almost forgotten

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Speaker 2: these existed, and so it kind of feels that there's

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Speaker 2: a way to better test what it is that they

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Speaker 2: want to try and decide about the way Formula one

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Speaker 2: is presented. It's just they only occasionally use it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's right, and I think it's funny.

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Speaker 1: The sprint is a funny example. Anywy as well move

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Speaker 1: other things he raised, as he inevitably does, because that

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Speaker 2: so Formula one it's never quite felt natural. It's felt

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Speaker 2: But does there need to be another format. Do we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's two ways to look at that.

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Speaker 3: You know, we do not need that at all.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on from that.

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Speaker 1: certainly got people talking. But let's move on to Move

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Speaker 1: of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's Only or

436
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Speaker 1: no not only MotoGP and Supercars in Action over the weekend,

437
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Speaker 1: MotoGP in I'm not going to use the full title

438
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Speaker 1: in San Marino, yes, and the Supercars at the Bend

439
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Speaker 1: for its first in duro of the season. What move

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Speaker 1: caught your imath over this weekend?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go Moves Plural of the week here

442
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: simply because we kind of got to see the same

443
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 2: race twenty four hours apart at Massano for Moto GP.

444
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 2: In that mark Marquees qualified fourth at Massano, his equal

445
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 2: season worst qualified by the way fourth on the GrITT

446
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: he was on the second row. Massano is an interesting

447
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 2: track for MotoGP because the run from the start line

448
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 2: to turn one is so short. On both days he

449
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: was in second place by turn one, so he made

450
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: incredible starts on both days and that move Moves Plural

451
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Speaker 2: set up two super interesting races where we had Marquees

452
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Speaker 2: against Marco Betzeki in two consecutive days. Marquees made a

453
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Speaker 2: move to lead the sprint on the Saturday and then crashed.

454
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Speaker 2: He also made another move to lead the Grand Prix

455
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Speaker 2: and just emphasis on, just held off Marco Bezeki on Sunday.

456
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Speaker 2: None of those two races play out the way they

457
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Speaker 2: play out without him making absolutely amazing starts from the

458
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Speaker 2: second row and slotting himself into the seat the place

459
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Speaker 2: on the track to set up what happened over those

460
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Speaker 2: next two days. Nail the start both times set up

461
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Speaker 2: two really interesting tense races, which are quite fun when

462
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: you just get two guys that are so so evenly matched.

463
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: It comes down to find details. Without those two moves

464
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Speaker 2: from Marques, we have a very very different Messano weekend.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm going plural for Moves of the week.

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Speaker 2: But I'm wondering where you're going because there's nothing really

467
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Speaker 2: obvious right now, so I'm hoping that you've come up

468
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Speaker 2: with something good here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, look, I was obviously plugged into the bend all weekend,

470
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Speaker 1: but departicularly for the race. Some good moves there, but

471
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Speaker 1: I couldn't go past this one. Yes, I'm returning to

472
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Speaker 1: Moto GP. It's Marco Betzeki overtaking the shark with his

473
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Speaker 1: celebration after the sprint when he rode around with a

474
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Speaker 1: wooden prosthetic leg, something unforeseen in MotoGP, totally unprecedented, confused

475
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Speaker 1: everybody involved. His explanation afterwards, which there was an homage

476
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Speaker 1: to a favorite childhood Italian film of his, did very

477
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Speaker 1: little to illuminate why this happened this weekend, what it

478
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Speaker 1: was about. I actually discovered I went to find the

479
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Speaker 1: speaking of highlights earlier the highlight of this, Oh did

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Speaker 1: you If you type Marcovetzki into Google, the first response

481
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Speaker 1: is prosthetic leg after his name's it's become defining of

482
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Speaker 1: him as an athlete after this weekend. I think it

483
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Speaker 1: is remarkable. There were remarkable scenes, and I can't come

484
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Speaker 1: past that it's a tenuous fit for Move of the week.

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Speaker 1: But it had to be noted.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it some thirty year old movie that literally translates

487
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Speaker 2: to three men and a leg and the plot is

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Speaker 2: three men go around Italy carrying.

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Speaker 3: A false leg.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's spot on this a This was a movie

491
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Speaker 2: that existed before you were born. I have so many

492
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Speaker 2: follow up questions with this that I'm not going to

493
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Speaker 2: get satisfying answer as for But it was funny how

494
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Speaker 2: it just became part of the furniture for the course

495
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Speaker 2: of the weekend because he was doing He took it

496
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Speaker 2: into the press conference after Sunday, and we're just leaning

497
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Speaker 2: against it like you'd lean on a crutch or something.

498
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Speaker 2: While we're having a serious discussion about what happened and

499
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Speaker 2: the the fact that the leg had an a prilliant

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Speaker 2: race boot on it.

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Speaker 3: I was depressed with that.

502
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Speaker 2: So yeah, the effort they've got to with the props

503
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Speaker 2: was commendable, but the exploration was completely baffling.

504
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Speaker 1: What I want to know, because we're used to seeing

505
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Speaker 1: after MOTORVP races rough and riders take the flags of

506
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: either their home country or team or whatever is who

507
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Speaker 1: prepared the leg? How long did they have it with them?

508
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Speaker 1: Has this been carried around for multiple races? And what

509
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Speaker 1: happens to it now? Does this become part of his

510
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Speaker 1: standard victory celebration?

511
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Speaker 2: Well, you can't just bring a leg with you every

512
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Speaker 2: time you go into a Grand Prix because you know,

513
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Speaker 2: I'm just going through bag check here, So what have

514
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Speaker 2: you got in there? You can't have you can't have

515
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Speaker 2: this food, you can't have this and by the way, oh,

516
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: there's no rules about bringing fake legs in but sure, yeah,

517
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Speaker 2: and you know we're his mates carting it all around

518
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: Europe in Casey won there? Does it go on in

519
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: the flyways with them there? Do we see the leg

520
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: at Philip Island in Casey wins there? I have so

521
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: so many questions with this, do we see the leg

522
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Speaker 2: the line that I never thought of us guessing.

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Speaker 4: For or months. Philip Island is still a little while away.

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Speaker 1: This weekend though, to return attention to forbid one, it

525
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Speaker 1: is the Azerbaijean Grand Prix, the first of our final

526
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Speaker 1: third of the season, the flyaways away from Europe, certainly

527
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Speaker 1: away from Europe, and it's interesting. Obviously in terms of

528
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Speaker 1: the championship. We've got a small reduction in the lead

529
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Speaker 1: down to thirty one points between Oscar Piastri and Lando

530
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Speaker 1: Norris after the team order situation, which we talked about

531
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Speaker 1: last week, if we missed any of that discussion. But

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Speaker 1: in the context of this championship battle, this is an

533
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Speaker 1: interesting round because we returned to a race that Oscar

534
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Speaker 1: won last year and for me, remains his greatest victory. Obviously,

535
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Speaker 1: only has so many that list will accumulate in future yars.

536
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Speaker 1: Perhaps there'll be others, but I know it. Even in

537
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Speaker 1: his brief comments in the McLaren press release identified this

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Speaker 1: as one of his favorite weekends, the favorite of the career.

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Speaker 1: This is It's hard to say for certain, because obviously

540
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Speaker 1: Lando Norris had a qualifying failure last year, and started

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Speaker 1: the back. But this fields like a good weekend incoming

542
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Speaker 1: for Osco or potential for him to convert what's been

543
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Speaker 1: a solid track for him into another little stabilizing result.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 2: I think this time last year when he won that race.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously great for Australian fans and for Pastre

547
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Speaker 2: that he won it, but it was more than manner

548
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Speaker 2: and that he won that race and that for the

549
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Speaker 2: first time I just thought, oh, hang on a minute,

550
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Speaker 2: this maybe this guy's a little bit better than I

551
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Speaker 2: thought he is or is going to be. And it's

552
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Speaker 2: not because I thought he was not going to be

553
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Speaker 2: a good Grand Prix driver, because you look at the

554
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: Junior CV and the promise that he had shown. But

555
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: when you've not done a massive amount of winning in

556
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Speaker 2: Formula One, to win a race like that, to absorb

557
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Speaker 2: pressure like he did incredible overtake. It's a track Baku

558
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: where there's just so much peril that there's so many

559
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: things waiting to trip you up. There's so many corners

560
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Speaker 2: that are difficult and a bit odd. There's nowhere really

561
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Speaker 2: like this on the calendar. So to win with that

562
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: level of sort of cunning and ruthlessness but also the

563
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Speaker 2: detached called just keep doing everything right for the length

564
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Speaker 2: of time that he had to do it. To my mind,

565
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Speaker 2: that was when he in my estimation of him as

566
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Speaker 2: a potential Grand Prix winner slash champion of the future.

567
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Speaker 2: That was a day when I thought, oh, I think

568
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Speaker 2: I might have to reassess where I think this guy is.

569
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Speaker 2: Not because I don't think he's any good, but this

570
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: is a sort of win that you need to be

571
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Speaker 2: a certain type of driver to win a race like

572
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: this at a place like this, So I think it's

573
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Speaker 2: hugely influential for the driver that he's since become. Isn't

574
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Speaker 2: it amazing that we're talking about I think it was

575
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Speaker 2: September fifteen last year that he won this race, so

576
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Speaker 2: it's literally a day over one year since he won

577
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Speaker 2: that race. How our perceptions of him and his ceiling

578
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Speaker 2: and what he's done since then in a really really

579
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 2: short amount of time. It feels like it's changed massively

580
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: just since Melbourne at the start of the year. But

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Speaker 2: you go back to last September, you know, the name

582
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Speaker 2: and the style and everything else is the same, But

583
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Speaker 2: in terms of what our expectations are now for what

584
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: he can do it's incredible how much that's changed in

585
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Speaker 2: twelve months. But it's such a specific track this in

586
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: that you know, yes, it is a street circuit.

587
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Speaker 3: We're talking about street circuits.

588
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: Before it is insanely fast across the waterfront. There it is,

589
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: you know, it's mods a level, straight line speed, and

590
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: then you've got other parts of the track where it's

591
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: the tightest street circuit imaginable. So I do like the

592
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: fact that you've effectively taken two totally different styles of circuit.

593
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Speaker 2: And it's a little bit questionable, probably in the first

594
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 2: place that Zeno on the calendar, quite frankly, but I

595
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: love the fact that it is an outlier and there

596
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: is some peril here and there is nowhere quite like it.

597
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: And of all of the new circuits and grand prix

598
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: that have come on the calendar in the past ten years,

599
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: you'd have to go, you'd have to go a long

600
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: way towards selling me that this might not be the

601
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: best of the new additions to a calendar, because so

602
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: often it throws up really really memorable races, not so

603
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 2: much in terms of who wins them, but how we

604
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: get to those winners. I think last year was no exception.

605
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, you add all the other

606
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: benefits of this race for the Australian Times out. I

607
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: think it's a nine pm Sunday start, which is absolutely

608
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: in the sweet spot. It's one of those races that's

609
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: not in Asia or on our shores where you cannot

610
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: wait for this one to happen. It's always a highlight

611
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: of the year for mine.

612
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, imnagine being in Perth seven pm. That's great.

613
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: Oh good, better times somebody, which yes, it feels wrong,

614
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: it is. This for me is the first speaking of

615
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: sort of new circuits, this was the first trend setter

616
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Speaker 1: in what I like to describe as the wacky circuits trend,

617
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: which is we got to be faster, or the corners

618
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: have to be blinder and more dangerous or whatever. This

619
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: was the first one and actually, in some senses, compared

620
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: to attract like Saudi Arabia for example, feels.

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Speaker 4: Quite tame and safe.

622
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: The Arabia feels pretty Borederlin, You're right, some of this

623
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: is pretty on the edge. But clearly, you know, after

624
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: a decade the sports sort of understood it and it's

625
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: proved to be quite a popular one. And that compromise

626
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: between traditional street circuit and speedway makes for really interesting results.

627
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: Tends to throw up some random results. And we also

628
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: tend to get drivers and we'll talk about Charlocke Thelare

629
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: in a moment, who tend to do quite well here

630
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: just because this thing about it that clicks. But you're

631
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: right about Piastre. What I think it's really interesting is

632
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: that if you look back at all of last year,

633
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: we're all we were doing is talking about signs of

634
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: his potential future greatness, and this year it's just been

635
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a total He's exercised all those signs into a complete performance.

636
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really interesting to see what he can

637
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: manage here. Not that he needs necessarily another big points boost,

638
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: but this is the time last year, quite aside from

639
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: this win, that he was sort of flexing a bit

640
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: of muscle relative to Norris, perhaps for the first time.

641
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: It just come off the European season, which had been

642
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: the highest scoring driver in the sport, which was its

643
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: own tick. We can't forget this was the race after

644
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Monso where he'd pulled that great move on Norris that

645
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: caused all sorts of fluster at McLaren, much like there

646
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: was fluster this time around about whether or not had

647
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: complied with the rules and this and that. But the

648
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: aggression and the ruthlessness of the move was illustrative of

649
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: something that we've really come to understand about him, which

650
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: is that his ice cold in the car and likewise

651
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: that dived by mont Charallette Clair to win this race.

652
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Never mind the defensive move, I think has come to

653
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 1: those signs that we saw last year have been proven

654
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: to be actually integral to the way he goes about

655
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: his business, which he's a clean executor. He is ruthless

656
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: despite for people say about him not ignoring the team

657
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: or last time out, and those are the things that

658
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: are underpinning his title campaign this year.

659
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: It's interesting too in that, and you have to correct

660
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong here. I can't think of another

661
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: race that we've gone to this year where you're just like, yeah,

662
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: this guy should absolutely boss this, like he should be

663
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: the overwhelming favorite because of past history or the fact

664
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: that the circuit characteristics suit him or his car. This

665
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: feels like one of those where you mentioned the word

666
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: flex before. That's what made me think of this. This

667
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: is one of those places where I think every single

668
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: person goes into this weekend seeing him as the driver

669
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: to be, not just because he's top of the championship standings,

670
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: that's pretty obvious, but it's more the way that he

671
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: has raced here and won here in the past. You

672
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: walk that little bit taller if you're Oscar Piastre walking

673
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: into the Padic this weekend, and I think he will

674
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: feel that, and I think everyone else will feel that too.

675
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: And it's not exactly a home races in a home

676
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: Mo Timezo, It's exactly a home race, but it's one

677
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: of those ones where you have to come up with

678
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: a pretty compelling argument as to why someone else might

679
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: beat him this weekend. And I don't think I felt

680
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: that at any Grand Prix this year, because it's been

681
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: so sudden, with the way that he's risen up this

682
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: year and looked so assured. I don't think we've felt

683
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: this before. This feels different to me.

684
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

685
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: I think the only other race that I can really

686
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: think of is Lando Norris in Austria, which always feels

687
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: like one in which he's penciled into. Yep, but I

688
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: think there's still something. It's the way he's won these races.

689
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Norris has dominated in Austria relatively for the years with

690
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: McLaren had not been in the vision to win them.

691
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: But it's what we saw from Oscar last year that

692
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: I think tells us a little bit of something. If

693
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: there's one driver at a challenge h of course Lando

694
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: and Norris must be assumed to be in the mix.

695
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: But at Charlotte Clair, I think most people will be

696
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: keeping their eye on because he has more pole positions

697
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: than anyone else here at this track, not very many

698
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: wins though in fact no wins memory serves, which is remarkable.

699
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: Story of Charlotte Clair's career.

700
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Yes, but he's just one of those drivers. We've talked

701
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: about it before on the podcast as well, drivers and

702
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: circuits that just click for some reason at which they

703
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: find this extra level that they can't really quite explain.

704
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: This isn't even a track at which Ferraris typically should

705
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: have been strong at. This isn't a track at which

706
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: we've ever turned up at during his Ferrari tenure and gone,

707
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: oh well, this is obviously gonna be Ferrari circuit. Yet

708
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: he always does well here. Had was the i think

709
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: it's fair to say, was the quicker driver between him

710
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: and Pastri last year, but not the better one, it

711
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: turned out in the incidents of that race. But I mean,

712
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: must come to this track every year, go when's it

713
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: going to happen? It's got to happen.

714
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Kind of feel that he could say that about a

715
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: few of them, but this one more than any, I mean,

716
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: his most successful qualifying track. There's it is a proper

717
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: driver's track. It's one where tiptoeing that line between risk

718
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: and reward has far greater consequences because there is a

719
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: wall waiting to trip you up. There's a very very

720
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Speaker 2: long breaking zone in a turn one if you get

721
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: that wrong. There is a wall around a castle that

722
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: you can hit, which is not something that you can

723
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: say about other tracks, but to my mind that one

724
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: of my favorite parts of the Azerbaijarm weekend is watching

725
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: him through I guess it would be still the second

726
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: sector of the lap, once they've gone through the ridiculously

727
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: tight entry to the castle section, when you're going through

728
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: over the top of the final sector of the track

729
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: where you dip down again to head back to the harbor,

730
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: all of those changing direction blind corners. He is absolutely

731
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: electrifying through there, and that's one of those you almost

732
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: feel like you need to stand back from the fence

733
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: a little bit when he's on a qualifying lap because

734
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: he's on such a tight rope through there. Brilliant to

735
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: watch and I still think hand On Harte is the

736
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: best qualifier in the sport, but I think this track

737
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: accentuates that more than perhaps any.

738
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Speaker 1: Other any other driver. I really want to bring up

739
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: before forecasting this race is Max with Stafford of course

740
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: one in Italy dominated in Italy, the biggest winning margin

741
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: of the season so far, which is surprise to everybody.

742
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Not that he can win a race, but this year's

743
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Red Bull could win in that way against this year

744
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: is McLaren. It was interesting to read some of the

745
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: comments and hear them speak after the race, and we've

746
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: written about this at Fox sports dot com dot you

747
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: this week and the lead up to Azerbaijan. But how

748
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: the team feels optimistic, not just because it won Monza,

749
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: which is of course one of the more extreme tracks

750
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: of the year, even if there are some limited characteristics

751
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: it shares with Azerbaijan, namely straight line speed, but it's

752
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: the way Red Bull Racing is now approaching its weekends

753
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: to try and unlock the performance from this car. Max

754
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: talked a lot about feeling more comfortable, about being able

755
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: to more easily discover the right set up for the track,

756
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: about the engineers working more smoothly. Helbert Marco said it

757
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: much more explicitly that it's Laura Mechi's and the reading

758
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: between the lines, the not Christian Horner effect. I think

759
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: we could probably call it. And they're quietly I mean,

760
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: and he said it explicitly as well as Helbert Marco

761
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: that they feel optimistic now that at every track they

762
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: can contend, not necessarily dominate like in Monza. To even

763
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit further down the road Singapore,

764
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: a track that Stappens never won out with Red Bull Racing.

765
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: Memory serves that's what he said anyway, that maybe there

766
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: they can even compete, which has been a modern day

767
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: bogie track for the team. It'll be interesting to see

768
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: how Vstaffan performs this weekend in the context of context

769
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: of where it Bull is this final third of the campaign.

770
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: For word response I'm not buying it. I just don't.

771
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: I'll expand all that slightly. The Monza has become it's

772
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: the outlier of just about all outliers. It's on the

773
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: other end of the scale to Monico, but there's nowhere

774
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: really like Monza, and they went down a setup path

775
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: at Monso the other week that you know, look, perhaps

776
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: they might not have gone down under under previous management

777
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: or whatever it might have been. Perhaps the driver's voice

778
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: is a little bit louder now that it perhaps was

779
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: in the past. Brilliant performance and the sort of crushing,

780
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 2: dominating win that. I don't think there's any other driver

781
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: on the grid that can produce races like that. If

782
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: the cars in the sweet spot, it shares similarities with

783
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: Bonza backup, sure, and Vastapan is the master at getting

784
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: more out of a car than perhaps it deserves to

785
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: be producing. We've seen that this year, where he's won

786
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: races like Suzuka is the one that comes to mind.

787
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no way that anyone else in that car

788
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: would have won that race. He just was millimeter perfect

789
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: for fifty three straight laps there at Suzuka. I still

790
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: think that Red Bull tends to vacillate too much that

791
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: you could go into a weekend with a massive amount

792
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: of confidence about the machinery. I don't think we have

793
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: any questions about the staff, and we know how good

794
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: he is, and we know how good he is, overachieving

795
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: in a car that perhaps isn't up to it. I

796
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: really struggle to see a situation where they're going to

797
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: be able to replicate what they did in Monds, like

798
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: I think the tracks are too different. But to take

799
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: a bit of a the helmet Marco to do the

800
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: victory lap here, it's like, well, it's all change because

801
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: the guy that I managed to get rid of after

802
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: all this time is no longer here and everything's completely fine.

803
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: There's a wider discussion here about the whole trend of

804
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: Formula One teams now being run by more technically minded

805
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: frontmen than commercial or marketing types or big figureheads, you know,

806
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: with Laurel Mechi's is always coming at everything from a

807
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: mechanical engineering platform. We've seen that with a number of teams,

808
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: so there's probably something in that. But to extra appolate

809
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: that over the reason that we lauded what Verstappen did

810
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: at Monza because it was an outlier. We didn't expect that,

811
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: we didn't see it coming expecting that again this weekend. Look,

812
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to be wrong if it thickens

813
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: the brew at the front of the race, but if

814
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: I see a challenger to McLaren this weekend, I don't

815
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: think it's red bull.

816
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair call, but it will be

817
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: interesting to see and find out howmet Mico's explanation. If

818
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen afterwards, that's all to come this weekend.

819
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, though, let's check in with the

820
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Crystal Ball by complete home filtration. We've got just the

821
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: Formula one Grand Prix on this weekend in Azerbaijan. Again,

822
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: a great time, Zoned. What are you predicting.

823
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm predicting a story that we've seen before because there's

824
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 2: proof of concept here. I'm predicting a char La Clare

825
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: pole and a char Lea Clare not win because he's

826
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: going to do something absolutely remarkable on Saturday, where we're

827
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: all going to shake our heads and then probably shake

828
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: our heads twice wondering why we questioned it. This guy

829
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: could do this over one lap and then I think

830
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: he splits the McLaren's in the race. I think he

831
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: finished a second. I don't know which McLaren comes first,

832
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 2: but I can just see the only Charla Clerk would

833
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: have a record of five poles around a particular circuit

834
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: and no wins. And I'm sorry, Sharp, but I think

835
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: that's going to be the way it's going to go.

836
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's fair enough. I was going to

837
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: controversially pick the opposite though, that he was going to

838
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: get his first win in Azerbaijan, but without pole position.

839
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to be the weekend

840
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: that breaks us, that breaks the curse he has broken one.

841
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Of course, he already broken his Monaco curse that was

842
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: last year, notably, but I just you know, Ferrari's second

843
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: in the championship. To take a global view of this

844
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: second in the championship, it's not decisively so you know

845
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: McLaren and even Red Bull are still in with a

846
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: shot of taking that from them. But the only one

847
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: of the front running teams without a win. It doesn't

848
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: feel right that they'll finish second without a victory. There's

849
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: no obvious other contenders this year. I know we do

850
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: have some wacky tracks coming up were sort of anything

851
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: can happen. I think Azerbaijan a bit of Leclaire magic.

852
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: The car can be fast in a straight line. In fact,

853
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: I think it was the fastest in a straight line

854
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: in Monzo or at least among the front running cars.

855
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Think if anyone can do it, he can do it.

856
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: In this circumstance, I think he's going to be that

857
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: one win of the year for Ferrari.

858
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: That call about them being second in the Constructors without

859
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 2: a win, that's a really, really good call.

860
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: It would be.

861
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: Almost unprecedented, quite frankly, if they were to be able

862
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: to hang on to second place and not win a

863
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Grand Prix over the course of the year, and then

864
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: then you go through a process of elimination with the

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Speaker 2: tracks that are left. You combine his talent, that car,

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Speaker 2: one way to shut that particular story off. But the

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Speaker 2: winning a Grand Prix, yeah, I think that's a very

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Speaker 2: good call For me. I'm not confident. I think I'll

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Speaker 2: now that you've brought it up.

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