1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ask Fear and Greed, where we answer questions 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: about business, investing, economics, politics, and more. Really, nothing's off 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: the table. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Oh, Michael Thompson, Hello, Sean Alm Hello Michael. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: I say that nothing's off the table, as though we're 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: about to answer something that is just so left field, 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: But really it's kind of right in your wheelhouse. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: This one that's about economics, Sean. Why just central banks 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: target two to three percent inflation? 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: What is it about that number that is the makes 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: it the magic number that they are all trying to 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: get to? 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: Yes, the magic target range. The funny thing is that 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: there's no specific reason, it's just what they think is 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: about right. So if you go to the Reserve Banks 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: website and I quote a powerful lesson from history is 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: that low and stable inflation is a prerequisite for a 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: strong economy and sustainful employment and growth in real wages. 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: All makes sense. Our goal is to keep and you'll 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: consier price inflation between two and three percent. It then says, 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: we believe that maintaining inflation within this range preserves the 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 3: purchasing power of money and encourages sustainable growth in the economy, 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: which benefits it all. That's all, we believe that maintaining 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: blah blah, There is no empirical evidence to say this 25 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 3: is absolutely where it should be. The Reserve Bank generally 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: believes that if you can hit somewhere between two and 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: three percent, perfectly two point five percent, that's going to 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 3: keep your economy growing. Okay, it's going to actually allow 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 3: prices to rise a bit, because you want price astorise 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: a bit. You do not want them to go backwards 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: and kind of things tick over. 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: Okay. 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: So then if inflation was, say at one point five, 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: what's the effect of that. 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: So one point five A few things. So if a 36 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: company is selling stuff for just one point five percent 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: like this, say's gone from a hundred dollars to one 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: hundred one dollars fifty cents, but their inputs might become 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,279 Speaker 3: more expensive, or transport costs become more expensive or something 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: like that, Suddenly profits drop. That's a bad thing because 41 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: when profits drop, company says, well, actually we've been to 42 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: cut back staff. You can get into a sort of 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: economic slowdown. You actually want prices to rise. Generally, So 44 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: again one and a half percent. If I'm going to 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: negotiate my wage with Danski, the Grand puba of fearing greed. Yep, 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 3: And I say, Danscoe, I want a one and a 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: half percent pay rise, or you know, I want a 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: two percent pay rise or whatever. I mean, me only 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: getting one and a half percent, because that's what inflation. 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: That actually doesn't allow me to do much more, and 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: that's a bad thing. So what we want is the 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: economy is someone like me to be spending more money 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: in to tick the economy over that side of it. 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 3: The other side is if you've got five or six 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: percent inflation, as we've seen in recent times, massive costs 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: of living crisis. 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So really in the end, it's not as though 58 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: it is a hard and fast rule that's it must 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: be between two and three percent, but on a balance 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 2: it's going to be. Yeah. 61 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: So other central banks don't have two and three percent, okay. 62 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: So the Fed may have come into that now, but 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: its target range is broader than that. So and then 64 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 3: some of the European banks are a bit different as well. 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: This is just what the Reserve Bank thinks. If we're 66 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: at two or three percent, you can have steady economic growth, 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: you can have a steady labor market, and you can 68 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: have steady price rises. And that's kind of the Goldilock's economy. 69 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: Is it too narrow do you think? Or is it 70 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: about right? 71 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: I think it's about right. Maybe that's just because that's 72 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: what I'm used to. But you want a target point, 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: so you probably want two and a half percent. That 74 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: makes sense. You want economic growth long term to be 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: slightly above inflation. That's probably two seventy five something like that. 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: If you just say two point five percent, you're never 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: going to hit it. If you say two to three percent, 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: you're sort of saying we're almost there. So I think 79 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: it just makes monetary policy easier if you have a 80 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: target rather than a set point. Okay, yes, I mean 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: with all economics it kind of the trend is always 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: your friend. So how you measure prices, like the CPI 83 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: consume a price index, it's a basket of goods. It's 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: not perfect either, so it's about right. You know, the 85 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 3: reserve being things, it's about two to three percent that 86 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: it should be, even interest rates rising and falling. They 87 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: do about something, not exactly, something not exactly, not really 88 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: an exact science economics. 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that's good one. Thank you, Sean. I think 90 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: you as to that admirably A minus. No B plus admirably, 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: A minus that's too high. Body plus. 92 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to kind of. 93 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: I don't know if plus does sound better than a minus. 94 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: Doesn't it? Would you be happy with a B plus? 95 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: No A minus? Thanks very much? 96 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: Okay, A minus it is, Thank you, Sean. 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: Now you Michael, remember, If you've got something that you 98 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: would like to know, then send three a question on LinkedIn, Instagram, 99 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Facebook or at beeerandgreed. 100 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: Dot com dot au. 101 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Thompson and this is asked Fear and Greed