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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris, and this is straight talk. Wow, I

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Speaker 1: have under Nathan theory. We welcome straight to a Boys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. Thanks Mark good Seed mate. Now

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Speaker 1: you see each other aftergrad one two years ago. I

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Speaker 2: That was after the first one. You said you couldn't

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Speaker 2: believe it actually one one, so might take back?

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Speaker 1: Is there a secret?

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Speaker 2: Not that you get secret.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell you that.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big gliver in just preparation giving me confidence.

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Speaker 2: Always got doubts coming in. But if I prepared the

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Speaker 2: I've got no excuses. I just got to a point

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Speaker 2: where if we hadn't have succeeded in the twenty twenty season,

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Speaker 2: I would have left the game.

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Speaker 1: So actually, what's interesting met Lebron Janes and his son

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Speaker 1: they played together. I mean it wasn't there wasn't much

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Speaker 1: in it a couple of years. Wow, I haven't er

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Speaker 1: Nathan theory. You were went straight to a boys. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having us, Thanks Mark good Seed mate. Again you

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Speaker 1: see each other after Grand Final two years ago. I

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Speaker 1: think I missed last year three. That was after the

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Speaker 1: first one. But the first one was it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It was you said you couldn't believe it actually won one.

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Speaker 1: So well, I have to say thanks for coming to

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Speaker 1: or at least Nathan will still stand up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a tough couple of days. She sore heads,

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Speaker 2: but feeling pretty good now and you're happy to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, I guess congratulations mostant. There's pretty obvious,

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Speaker 1: but I think that's I just be great if you

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Speaker 1: could talk us through, Nathan, if you could just talk

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Speaker 1: through what what does it mean? Not mean to win

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Speaker 1: the Grand Final, but what does it mean to celebrate

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Speaker 1: post Grand final? Many people we've ever experienced even go

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Speaker 1: to the fan day that not many people ever get

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Speaker 1: to do that. Some clubs in the young person's lifetime

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Speaker 1: River actually win a Grand Final. You guys have won four.

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Speaker 1: What is it like for you attending those events? Because

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Speaker 2: It's well yesterday, so usually we do the fan day

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Speaker 2: the day after the Grand Final, and like everyone's just

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Speaker 2: in the worst state. So this year we changed it.

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Speaker 2: it is like, yeah, it's tough when everyone's hung over

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Speaker 1: Like a blur too, I guess, honestly, Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: One of the coolest things we did this year was

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like just some extent, you guys are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely it is a responsibility than one that we

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Speaker 1: Look I've got mates and they're not rooster supporters, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've honestly never really thought about it

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Speaker 1: I haven't win it with the players because you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, someone who'd be listening to just watching this now,

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Speaker 2: So but I have tried to show and part of

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Speaker 2: He's probably one that's not as loud. He let his

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Speaker 2: Not that I wouldn't tell you that we have. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: It's very well aligned from the very top, you know,

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Speaker 2: And that's probably our greatest strength of the club. So

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Speaker 2: Len you like look and now Fish and Rain, you

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Speaker 1: Like for like you know, I've got to be a

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Speaker 1: staff and whoever comes in has seen you know, there's

433
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 1: a legacy that these guys that leave leave and you

434
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: know it's easier for them to transition into the role.

435
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: So it's it's a never ending search to try and

436
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: keep doing this and we've got to do it again

437
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 1: next year and we haven't done it yet, so that's

438
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: going to be the challenge that we I guess we

439
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: just step into each and every day.

440
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: We don't. We never live in the past, and to

441
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 2: this point it's it's where for us. But we also

442
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: know that you know it could you know, if you

443
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: don't keep behind on the ball, it can change quickly.

444
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: So but a bit of you but you always and

445
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know the roster obviously, you know the roster.

446
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: You know the salary cap, you know which you can

447
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,719
Speaker 1: and can't fit, you know who's kind of for renewal,

448
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: et cetera. Are you do you do you actually sit

449
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: back and plan with a team or is it ivan clear?

450
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: He does it like a kid who's in seventeen. He's

451
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: looking pretty good. He's in the news Origin team or

452
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: with Queensland Origins, wherever it is. He's coming through the process.

453
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: He is a good marker for to replace Isaiah when

454
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: he leaves and yeah, retires.

455
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely that sort of stuff going on. It

456
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: just sometimes it depends because it comes a bit quicker

457
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: than you think. You know, we never really wanted, you know,

458
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: anticipated guys like you know, Stephen Crin and Spencelania to leave.

459
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: But once a yeah, we've been fortunate enough to you know,

460
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 2: we've basically had a year to at least try and

461
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: plan for those guys and they've all stayed that extra

462
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: year and played really well. We're always, you know, in

463
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: the background, just trying to bring players through. We got

464
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: lucky this year Paul Alamonti from the from the Bulldogs,

465
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: and I think he went over and above what we

466
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: ever thought he was going to do when he ended

467
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: up starting in the Grand Final for us. So sometimes

468
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: you get a bit of luck and they just you know,

469
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: they fit better than you think. Or the fact that

470
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: we were able to sign him was a shock to

471
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: me that he was even available. So that, yeah, I guess,

472
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: And that's I guess one thing about you know, success,

473
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you get players you want to

474
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: come to your club, you know. Whereas trust me, when

475
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: I first got the Panrith twelve years ago, that wasn't

476
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: the case.

477
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: He had one young fellow something like Almhi for example,

478
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: do you when he comes across do you sort of

479
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: look at him? When he looked at his videos of

480
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: his past previous games and sort of say, Okay, I

481
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: can improve you by doing these these things, or is

482
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: it just improved by Birch or being in a side

483
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: like this?

484
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: Just it depends. I mean, for Paul ELMONTI Paul was

485
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: he's only twenty now, so he's nineteen years old to

486
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: start as a junior. I was actually wondering what there

487
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 2: must be something wrong with him, the fact that he's

488
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: that we can actually sign him while the Dogs are

489
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: let him go. But I guess they were just on

490
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: a bit of a different track looking for quicker success.

491
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: Maybe i'd I don't know, but so I met him.

492
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: You know, it's just one He's got to fit, you know,

493
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: he's got to fit character wise. I think that's really important.

494
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

495
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: I just want to get We want to get good

496
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: characters of people who are going to fit our values,

497
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: and not just good players, but good people who are

498
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: going to train hard. They're going to be able to

499
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: be able to play the way we'd like to. They've

500
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: got to be fit enough and all that kind of stuff.

501
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: But do you actually set a set of values for

502
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: the club for.

503
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: The well said I originally set the culture, but the

504
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: players have set the values.

505
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they actually write them down some respect, you know,

506
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: is it virtue?

507
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was important. The players came up and

508
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: we do it each and every year. We'll revisit them

509
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: so if we have to adjust them or whatever.

510
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: And then when someone comes in, like a new player

511
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: comes into the club, would you sort of sit them

512
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: down and say, meet the senior senior members of the team,

513
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: the team and or and who takes us through these values? Dude,

514
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: this is what we expect. How do you play the game?

515
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: Leak? Yeah, that's it's not as formal as that, but

516
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: it's definitely. Yeah. They find out pretty quick what what's required.

517
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: That's again, we have an amazing staff, but the players themselves,

518
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: we have an incredible leadership group. And now in our team,

519
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, I've never seen anything like I've been lucky

520
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: enough to be involved in anything like it. A lot

521
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: of them have come through together, so that helps. And

522
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: obviously the more experienced, the bigger the games. You know,

523
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there's evidence that this stuff works.

524
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, that helps as well.

525
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: When I when I I'm obviously watching the game and

526
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: the energy in the momentum that comes with energy. Especially

527
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: in the second part of the second half on the weekend,

528
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: it just looked like Benrith was ten years younger. And

529
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a bad way. I just

530
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: mean that you guys look like younger, keener, more enthusiastic.

531
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: I guess when Melbourne's try was just deflated him a bit,

532
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: but you just you knew how to take advantage of that.

533
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: You knew how to sort of keep the momentum that's

534
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: you on the field. I mean, Ivan's up there in

535
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: the box sort of sending its structures out, but do

536
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: you know immediately it's time to get on top. We

537
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: better take advantage of this.

538
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

539
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: Usually I think it's more like your eyes just like

540
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: a feel thing. It's probably not saying that we speak

541
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: about too often on the field, but particularly people with

542
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: the spy and the ladder sort of accelerate and go

543
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: towards that. I think that's saying that we've been quite

544
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: lucky to have over these last few years. It sort

545
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: of feels like we've got gears and us that.

546
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: Look like to me, you can go on the gear

547
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: and probably had one or two in Yeah.

548
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's probably been a bit frustrated

549
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: this year that like we've always sort of been like

550
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 2: hanging in games and then once we get pushed, then

551
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: we were retaliated. We're like, all right, now we'll go

552
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: up a gear. We haven't really blown away teams this year.

553
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: She did in the in the first preliminary semi against

554
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: the r That was the best game, you guys I

555
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: had for a long time.

556
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: We knew we need to get.

557
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: The last game of the Blue Belt. I was out

558
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: there and god, I just wish enjoy it. No, I

559
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it all. I wasn't sure what to wear,

560
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: so but someone said, don't wear your suit. But it

561
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: was actually great. It was a great atmosphere. It was

562
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: rugby league what it used to be when I was

563
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: a kid growing up. That's what it feels like to me.

564
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: It was just everyone's into it. I mean there's a

565
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: pretty hostile crowd to be in front of.

566
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love playing the east Man.

567
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: You know, Well, it's just like going down to Melbourne.

568
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I guess it's the same feeling. But you guys actually

569
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: did kick into a big That was a big gear change,

570
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: and then I think every game you played after that

571
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: was a new gear. It looked like that. And then

572
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: even in the Grand Final, you look like you just

573
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: kept increasing the gear, kept saying, Okay, well you're going

574
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: to match me. I'll go this way. You're gonna match me,

575
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go this way. That's what it felt like

576
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm wondering about the leadership on the team,

577
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: the boys. You guys, are you talking to which other

578
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: you say, listen, let's just crack them again, Let's just

579
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: put it into them harder.

580
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again like that, I think you fall back

581
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: to your training and also experience, and I think all

582
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: of those as you're sort of talking about that all

583
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: comes from our training. It's something we talk about our

584
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: training constantly. The hard work we're put in. We know

585
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: that it's going to pay us back when we need it.

586
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 2: Because when you're actually in the moment, it's like everyone's

587
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: pretty fatigued and just sort of trying to gel together,

588
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: but everything's happening so fast, so you probably don't get

589
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: time to say that in the moment, but you sort

590
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: of get looks at each other and sort of know

591
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: that it's time to step it up a bit. And

592
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: I think that's something that where us as a group

593
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: through experience that sort of feel of it has beaning

594
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: that we just haven't even had to speak about now.

595
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: It's sort of sort of know that you know, etcetera.

596
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: And particularly in Grand Final, you know each other that

597
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: well yeah yeah, And it's something that's combinations experience experience

598
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: in big games. And I think that's probably when I

599
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: felt at the most on Sunday night, where he didn't

600
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: even really need to say stuff to each other, just

601
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: knew what was required and what was going to happen.

602
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you. I'm a big rap here,

603
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: but I and tell me if I'm wrong. The rap

604
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: you deserve, but obviously you deserve it, But tell me

605
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: if what I was thinking is wrong. So someone said

606
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: to me the other day, ah, you know, just before the game,

607
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Bellamy is a genius blah blah blah, and he is.

608
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: He's a great coach. Billy is a great coach. And

609
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know what's interesting, I think Cray

610
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: Greg Bellamy looks for weaknesses and teams and exploits weakness.

611
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: He's very good exploiting witness. He'll work out where's a

612
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: weakness and he'll play it that all night until he

613
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: gets through and I said, on the other hand, Ivans,

614
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if Ivan's like that, but I think

615
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: Ivan is really good at getting the best out of

616
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: his team. And the question then becomes, is the coach

617
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: who can identify a weakness working out his strategies to

618
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: go to the weakness better than the coach who can

619
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: get the best out of every player on the team.

620
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: And I sort of I felt like that's the way

621
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: the game was played. And I think Bellamie was trying

622
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: to find weaknesses. He's maybe your shoulder or whatever the

623
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: case would be, but he couldn't find it. And it

624
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: seemed like to me that they got frustrated watching it.

625
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm Telly, I'm talking about it. Especially when I watched

626
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: the second time. It looked like they were getting frustrated

627
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: that they think we can't find a weakness. But on

628
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: the other hand, you guys are just getting the best

629
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: out of each other. That's what it looked like to me.

630
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Is there any am I anywhere near that? Or we're

631
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: just making shit up? Because that's how I felt.

632
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't know it was that deliverate, But what I

633
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: will say is if you look at the Melbourne style,

634
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: not a lot of weakness, so I couldn't sort of

635
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: find find weakness in them. So yeah, you're probably right.

636
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 2: You end up spending more time, you know, on your

637
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: own team, which I think we do it most of

638
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: the time. There'll be some games throughout the year there

639
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: might be a team that's littered with injuries or down

640
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: on form or or whatever, where it's a bit easier

641
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: to you know, actually find a weakness. And you know,

642
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: those types of games, you might zero went on that

643
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff a bit more. But for this game

644
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: against this type of opposition and the bigger the games

645
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: is I think handling you know, basically your headspace is

646
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: something that we've worked a lot a lot on and

647
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: each and every player you know will tell you it's

648
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: a bit the bigger the games and the bigger the pressure,

649
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: it's different, you know, and it becomes more than just

650
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: playing football, you know, It's about playing yourself, you know,

651
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. So spend a lot of

652
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: time on that and and I guess that's that's that's

653
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: one big way of trying to get the best out

654
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: of everyone.

655
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: But do you sort of say to yourself, having Hourison's quick,

656
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: we don't give him space, do.

657
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: You go through those processes that were yeah, well, well

658
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: we'll generally talk about, you know, the opposition, where they

659
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: what their strengths are, how they like to play, you know,

660
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: if they got a certain style or whatever, and a

661
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: lot of spend a lot of time on that. Each

662
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: and every guy knows the players they're up against them

663
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: and their own nuances and that type of stuff. So

664
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: there's a lot of work that goes in around you know,

665
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: and knowing your enemy, but probably more work and more

666
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: time built right throughout the season on making sure that

667
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: on the biggest day, you know we're going to we

668
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: can play our best footing, so sort.

669
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Of getting you to peak at the right time too.

670
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you did mention this is this is not really

671
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't really a plan. But we hit the finals

672
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: in fairly average form. I'd say, we're actually just trying

673
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: to give you the roosters a false sense of hopeful

674
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: did but like, yeah, I just I think the boys

675
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 2: knew that, they just knew we had nothing come back,

676
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: which is obviously ye fair help, but they just kind

677
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: of they just went up a level. You could see

678
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: their training and that gives me a great confidence how

679
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: we prepare and it was just like that week of

680
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: preparation was like that was completely different than what we've

681
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: been doing and it'd showed down the field just but.

682
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't u to different preparation. It's just that they

683
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: were ready.

684
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. It wasn't really different, but they just

685
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: went up a notch and just in terms of intensity

686
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: it was different. Yeah, And that's where that's where it

687
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: all comes from. The intensity of which you train, I

688
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: think is probably the biggest indicator of how you're going

689
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: to play.

690
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: Especially like Grand Final, that that Grand Final build and

691
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: getting the intensity for the Grand vol because they've had

692
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: experienced at it, so much experience at it. Now, how

693
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: much the effective do you think that plays it? Because

694
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: it looks like you guys got so much patience, Like

695
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: like you got you're not panicking at any stage, You're

696
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: not starting to do crazy shit like oh shit, we

697
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: better start throwing the board, you know, you know, I

698
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: mean like it looks like you've got patience.

699
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that sort of what you touched on,

700
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 2: like it's knowing that sort of our best is going

701
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: to beat anyone else and having that little bit of

702
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: confidence in that. And I think we actually had a

703
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: discussion earlier in the week we were training and went

704
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: up to Dad after and we sort of spoke and

705
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: just felt like we'll maybe focusing a bit too much

706
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: on Melbourne rather than just focusing on ourselves and getting

707
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: our game one hundred percent right. And for the rest

708
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: of the week we sort of zoned in on that

709
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: and constantly telling each other that, you know, if we

710
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: bring our best game, it's we're definitely going to be

711
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: in the fight. But I believe that that we're going

712
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: to win it. And I think that helps with knowing

713
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: that if we train well. Again, it comes back to

714
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: that preparation. If you train well, that's what gives you

715
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: confidence for the game, and that feeling was definitely there

716
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: with just the intensity and taking it to another level. Yeah,

717
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: particular grand final.

718
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and thinking himself, they're both good looking dudes.

719
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: One four Grand Finals. They're like, the father's got the

720
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: perfect son and brother and your other children too as well,

721
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: and perfect wife because he's got a great relationship with

722
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: his wife. The son's singing, I got the perfect dad,

723
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Like what the hell? Like, what there must be? Is

724
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: there a chink anywhere? It's plenty funny, you never you don't,

725
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, but everything it's like, do you ever think yourself?

726
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: I know, this is like I don't want anything to change.

727
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was funny. Last time we spoke as

728
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: any of that was with one our first verse on

729
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: then twenty twenty one, and I remember thinking on that night,

730
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, how can you be so lucky

731
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: where so many things go so well for you in

732
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: one night? Yeah, but I was also saying, just this

733
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: morning did an interview with someone and his twelve years

734
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: of playing NRL and then my first four nine years

735
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: of coaching, and so that's twenty six years took me

736
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: to be able to win a premiership get involved in one.

737
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: So it's been a lot of it didn't happen all

738
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: but it's certainly not all been. It's not all beer

739
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: and skittles. And I had to learn a lot along

740
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: the way and I still know that, you know, and

741
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 2: in the future it can go the other way quickly.

742
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: So just enjoying the enjoying the fruits of what we're

743
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: doing at the moment, that's for sure.

744
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: Well, you're only fifty two three three fifty three. I

745
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: was going to give you a year theres but like,

746
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, you've got one way to go, like Bennett's

747
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: late seventies or something, I'm.

748
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: Not going to be coaching. I'll be lucky that I'm

749
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: alive of that.

750
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: And I heard Bellamy said the other day that day

751
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: he probably retired before he's seventy, and he's sixty seven,

752
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I think at the moment, so he said, I'm not

753
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: I mon't be there at seventy. That's there were his words.

754
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself coaching these blakes for a long

755
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: time that.

756
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm contracted for another three years and

757
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: at the moment, that's that's good enough.

758
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: It's unlikely they're not going to renew the contract. Can

759
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: I tell?

760
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but I just don't know if I can.

761
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: You know, like, I just can't see myself playing one

762
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: of those guys. It's I'm in my sixties or late seventies,

763
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: still still going through this rollcaster. You know, I want

764
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: to sitting back on a beer in the stand, mate, But.

765
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: It is a rollercaster, it is. I mean, I often

766
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: say I recommend the hardest jobs is coaching, Like well,

767
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle heavy like this can be traumatic and terrible.

768
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle. It's more than a job. It's you

769
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: live it, you know, and from week to week, depending

770
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: on how the game goes, you know, can dictate how

771
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: your life. It's not just you, it's your family, it's

772
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: your wife, your kids. So it's that's where you put

773
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: your handle for and that's that's the addictive part of

774
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: it as well. Every time you have a loss or

775
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: you're not going well or you know, it's I think

776
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: as a coach, you always feel like there's something good

777
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: around the next corner, you know.

778
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, but does that mean mean that you're by

779
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: a definition and have a positive mindset? Though, like generally speaking,

780
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: you have a good positive outlook and stuff.

781
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: I think so I'm a bit of a realist. But

782
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: I also I just feel like, I guess I have

783
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: enough confidence in myself and and the team and the

784
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: people you know that work for you and whatever that will.

785
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: If we're not going to get right now, we will

786
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: eventually get it right, you know. And I guess if yeah,

787
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: that's I suppose it's just yeah, there's something good around

788
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: the next corner. But there's been plenty of dark times, mane,

789
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

790
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: I can't just talk from her about there's not just

791
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: two people in your family. There's quite a few of

792
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: this four kids and your wife as well. Maybe you

793
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: just introduce who maybe you could do it, introduce the

794
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: rest of your family to us.

795
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: So what have you got?

796
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: The NOFE is not here today, but like who's there

797
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: and what's the order of kids and what's everybody doing?

798
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: It's got mum back. She's the rock of the family.

799
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: She keeps everyone together real for sure. Yeah she Yeah, how.

800
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: Long you'll be married? Now? We're how long you've been

801
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: hanging out to you? Going together? The type of thing.

802
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: I was out twenty ninth, twenty anniversary last week, so

803
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: we we got engaged after one year and then got married,

804
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: so it's for thirty one years.

805
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations coming from someone and he's had three marriages.

806
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: So thanks. We're beating the others.

807
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: You definitely are. You definitely are and going.

808
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: And then I'm the oldest. Some'm twenty six. I got

809
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: my sister Indiana, she's twenty five or fourteen months apart.

810
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: And what's Indiana doing? She she made a footy Evan.

811
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: She's yeah, she's actually she she's probably the I would

812
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: say the least sporty out of the kids. But she

813
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: loves her footage. She loves telling dad who she who

814
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: should be picking and who's playing well and all that,

815
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: and she's her mam are very similar like that. There's

816
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: social types. They'll go to the footy and have a

817
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: drink and just love chatting and watching the game and yeah,

818
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: she's she's a good time.

819
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm still yeah, she's yeah, and you've got after that.

820
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: And then I've got a brother who's nineteen as he

821
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: just signed up with some of the Warriors. Yeah, so

822
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: that's that'll be interesting change for him.

823
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: But what positions he played?

824
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: He plays half back really yeah, the same structure as

825
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: you are, a bit skinnier, but he was going to

826
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: be taller than me. Yeah. Yeah, when he feels out,

827
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: he feels he's going to be bigger, So it'd be

828
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: a good opportunity for him. I'm actually I couldn't help

829
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: but feel bad for him at times. When he first

830
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: started playing with parents in the juniors, like everyone knew

831
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: who was it was right up to him in the

832
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: paper and he was just trying to work out his

833
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: path and journey. And he's definitely been on a different

834
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: to what I was when I was younger. So I

835
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: think going over to New Zealand's going to really help him,

836
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: just to settle down and just yeah, just work hard

837
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: and if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, we

838
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: still love him and yeah. So and then we've got

839
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: I've got a younger sister as well, in Malaya. She's seventeen,

840
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: and what's he do?

841
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: She's still scool. I guess she left.

842
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: She was doing a hair dress apprenticeship. So me, Malaya

843
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: and Dad are all very similar, quite introverted, not as outgoing.

844
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: And then Chad Indian Mama are the extroverted party type,

845
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: a good time. So it's a good mix in the family.

846
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: Yin and yang sort of thing, you know, like you've

847
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: gotta have someone who cuts and someone who sows. Yeah,

848
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, like otherwise you can have a good tailing,

849
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: good suit. But that that's that's interesting that the I mean,

850
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: you've gone downe perfectly, like two boys do girls, Like,

851
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: how the hell did you do that? I don't have

852
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: four sons, Like.

853
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: You don't know what you know?

854
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: I kept that's probably right if it was something that

855
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: I and I guess I had different mums. So like

856
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: that's what. It didn't help me. I just kept trying it.

857
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I just kept trying to have a girl, that's and

858
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: I never I just never succeed. Now I've got three

859
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: grandsons as well. And and when you were when you're

860
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: having kids, did you actually wish that your kids play

861
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: foot you? Was that a thing? Because I remember when

862
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: my kids were little, I put them under six's and

863
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: wom bats and like, you know, all that stuff, you know, crocodiles.

864
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Then they went to the crocodile's while and I just

865
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: wanted to play footy, And a couple of them just

866
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: weren't really interested. Like one particularly got no, I couldn't

867
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: give a shit about you, And he's more academic sort

868
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: of thing, you know. Yeah, And I must say a

869
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: few times I got disappointed, like as a dad, I

870
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: want to see my kids play footy. Were you like

871
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: that as a dad or did you just say or

872
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: do Nathan just naturally sort of want to play footy

873
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: with all the kids at school or something?

874
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, as Nat said, he was firstborn, and he

875
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: was honestly by the time he could walk, he was

876
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: kicking footies and hitting him golf balls and just playing

877
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: with any sort of ball, he could say. I didn't

878
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: even have time to even think about whether I wanted

879
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 2: him to play footy. I didn't really, I didn't necessarily

880
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: want him to play footy. I just wanted him to

881
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: follow what he liked doing, and he just loved playing sport,

882
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: so he you know, I encouraged him to play. You know,

883
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: the more sports the better. That was definitely something that

884
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: I think is important, and he was only too happy

885
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: to do that. So, you know, he played cricket and

886
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: a bit of athletics and played soccer and all sorts

887
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: of stuff. Try to get him in the water, surf

888
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: and yeah, and then just as it turned out, he

889
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: fell in love with footy and he was pretty good

890
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: at it.

891
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: But was it was was he always built. He's a

892
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: big he's a big kid for a half back, like

893
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: like very big.

894
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't like that. No, he wasn't

895
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: overly big as a kid. Even when he was started

896
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: a teenager when he first played Howld Matthews, he was

897
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm a fourteen coming off the bench playing hooker and

898
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't much of it. Fifteen and sixteen, yeah, it

899
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: was sixteen, was fourteen or something or yeah, and so

900
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: that by the time, you know, the other kids obviously

901
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: came around, I had the same thing. If they wanted

902
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: to play sport, awesome, same with jet if if Jenny

903
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: wanted to play footy, great. If he didn't, I wouldn't

904
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: have cared. Yeah, and he just so I kept saying,

905
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: because he was under that much pressure and that everyone

906
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: was watching him, And I said, should we want to

907
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: do this? Mane He's like, yeah, I do it? Okay,

908
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: how much?

909
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: How much your way out of interest. There's a half

910
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: back about ninety at the moment. That's a big half back.

911
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got to ninety four in the pre sasion

912
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: and I sort of realized this is a bit too big.

913
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, more muscles lost, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah muscle.

914
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: So then at that point were quick the tape, you'll

915
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: tell me the tapes. And then yeah, obviously had the

916
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: hamstring injury as well, So I was like, I sort

917
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: of refined my diet a bit and I'm pretty happy

918
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: at ninety at the moment.

919
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: So do you feel as though any of the injuries

920
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: that were as a result of having, you know, being

921
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a bigger set.

922
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't think so. But at this point when after

923
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: my second hamstring injury. I was just I wanted to

924
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: look at everything, like I was just putting everything on

925
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: the table and yeah, I just really took like a

926
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: bird's eye view of what was happening what because I

927
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: just felt I felt confident at the time, like I

928
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: felt good in my body, and then these things were

929
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: happening and it's obviously something's going wrong. So yeah, sort

930
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: of find a few little things. The main thing was

931
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: doing just extra hamstring and high speed work, which was

932
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: came from the physiasm hig performance staff, which is the

933
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: base of where it came from. But any little inducies

934
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: I could change to help me, I try to do that.

935
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: You're a perfectionist, yeah, yeah, and it's very frustrating at times.

936
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: He's a perfectionist. Yeah, easy to get it from your mum.

937
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: Nah, No, neither, I think we've mum and I are

938
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: quite happy to be not perfect. Yeah.

939
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: He has to get it right though.

940
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, it's just, you know what

941
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: does think That's something he has realized as well, that

942
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: you're never perfect, but he he tries to be, and

943
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: he prepares like no one I've ever seen, you know,

944
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: Like I he said earlier, that he's learned that he

945
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: never wanted to give himself an excuse come game day.

946
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: And that's actually there's a lot of it's almost human

947
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: nature that you want to give yourself that a little

948
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: bit of excuse, you know. So it's it's quite a

949
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the traits that are unusual

950
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: in him, and whays, yeah, it becomes so good.

951
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I couldn't kick a goal ever

952
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: then or now, and I look at guys, I give

953
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: me your kicking a goal, especially under pressure. And I

954
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: watch the process you take yourself through, and you're sort

955
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: of talking to yourself. You say something to yourself, I mean,

956
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: is that something you could share with us, Like is there?

957
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a series of steps that you

958
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: take that sort of dull. All the noise and all

959
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: the people yelling at you. Might be right on the sideline,

960
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: someone trying and wish you the worse, and but it

961
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: seems like you go through this process and for some reason,

962
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: nothing else in the whole world wild exists.

963
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: Is that?

964
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Like close?

965
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've said this to a few people. But

966
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: when I first get to the top of where I'm

967
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: about to kick the ball, and i'm setting it up.

968
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: I can hear everything in the crowd. I can hear

969
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: people say and stuff. But once I've set it up

970
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 2: and I get to the top of my runner, it's

971
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: like there's no noise. It all just becomes one and

972
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: then it's just me in my own head pretty much

973
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: like and I especially feel this with the high pressure

974
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: kicks that I won to tie the game or win

975
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: the game. I'll just simplify it and I'll just say

976
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: to myself, keep your head down and don't try to

977
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: get too hard, and take a couple of breaths, and

978
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: it feels like I'm just at the park like when

979
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: I was a young kid kicking. And I know it's

980
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: it seems weird, but yeah, in those high pressure moments,

981
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: it's probably when I feel the most relaxed.

982
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: I reckon And is that partly because you do actually

983
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: practice at the park all the time. Maybe one of

984
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: those guys after training you're still kicking, You're still training,

985
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: you're still kicking goals and yeah, up and under whatever

986
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: you do extras.

987
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot. And that was probably saying that

988
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: I need to refine as well with the hamstring issues,

989
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: which has been it's been a difficult process, but it's

990
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: probably helped me a bit more to see things in

991
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: my own head rather than actually just doing physical reps

992
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: and it's more mental focus and stuff like that, and

993
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 2: I think that helps me in those sort of high

994
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: pressure moments. It feels like I've been there before and

995
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: I've envisioned it almost. And yeah, I think the thing

996
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: about like the perfectionist thing outside of footy. I'm happy

997
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: to not be perfect. I know I'm not, but for

998
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: some reason in the footy world it's like, yeah, I'm

999
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: quite meticulous.

1000
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: And well, les's like fighters, like boxes and are there

1001
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: can be the nicest people outside of the ring. They

1002
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: get in the ring, they just switch on and they

1003
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: become that person and everybody thinks of they're like that

1004
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: all the time, but they're not. But you know, all

1005
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: comes down to how they prepare, all the training that

1006
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: they get ready to do what they're going to do,

1007
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, Like I but I guess I've been talking

1008
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: about YouTube the penrith one. So as a team, so

1009
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: let's call out a few people and the side like

1010
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: who surprised you? Like really, I mean everyone aimed up

1011
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: obviously as a team result, but who really surprised you

1012
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: in the grand finally, who my god, look that go go.

1013
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: Go, Like, well, there's a few I reckon just we're

1014
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: talking in the car on the way here, Puel and

1015
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Modi and Isaac Tummer. Just what they were able to do.

1016
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: They're probably unsung heroes in some regard of you know,

1017
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: they don't get all the wraps and they're not till

1018
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: the big name player. But what they were able to

1019
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: do on the night of the game was was quite incredible,

1020
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: and only with the ball in defense, Like I think

1021
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: I was a time I made thirty seven tackles at

1022
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: the center, Like it was just unbelievable, and he was

1023
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: protecting me. So I have extra extra love for him.

1024
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: I think that the obvious ones Leam Martin, Isaiah Oh

1025
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: was unbelievable. Like I watched the game back and I

1026
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: was like some of the things that come with in

1027
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: the last twe minutes, some of his carriers were you know,

1028
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: we know he's great, but he was just went to

1029
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: another level.

1030
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: What would you what would you about? What would you say,

1031
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: is what's his skill? Like he seems about it. He's

1032
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: very light on his feet for a big, tall, big guy. Yeah,

1033
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: he just keeps, he keeps. I remember once he was

1034
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: driving his legs on him and he just lea going, going, going,

1035
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: and he would have gone, he'd probably got an extra

1036
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: ten post meters. Yeah, and that would that would stuff

1037
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: me up before I was the opposition, you know, I thinking,

1038
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to chase a lead, not protect to

1039
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: let I'm trying to chase it, So that would get

1040
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: into my head, I reckon.

1041
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: Well, it gives the rest of us energy as well

1042
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: when you see that happen. He just takes a carry

1043
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: and he's just carrying three guys from other twenty meters.

1044
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: I think we so I spoken about. He's got great balance,

1045
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: He's got a great understanding of the game. It's almost

1046
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: like having another half back out there. He just understands

1047
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: the game so well. And that comes back to your

1048
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: fitness as well. You have to be fit to keep

1049
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: your head on and know what's happening. And yeah, he's

1050
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: just an unbelievable leader. He always says the right thing

1051
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: at the right time. And yeah, he's an absolute pleasure

1052
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: to play with. He's a big box, tickeral process like

1053
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: he's in his whole life. Everything he does, he's just

1054
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: so organized, and he's got this. He's got a memory

1055
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: like an elephant too, mat he remembers everything, So he

1056
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: remembered like as the game's going on, he knows exactly

1057
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: what we need, he needs, what the opposition is doing,

1058
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: what we're doing, what we It's phenomenal. And he's in

1059
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: the middle of the field playing eighty minutes every.

1060
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: Week's field coach. Yeah pretty much. Yeah sure, and that

1061
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: that on field coach are pretty important. Like if you

1062
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: can get that sort of individual.

1063
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: We've got a couple. Actually it's pretty handy, you sure,

1064
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: Liam mart Like, no, he's not one, but how good? Yeah,

1065
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: under Lee. And he's just a big game player and

1066
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: every sense of the word. Like sometimes I watch him

1067
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: or like because I play right next to him sometimes

1068
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: in the club games during the season, it's like, where's

1069
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: this guy that's this case that's playing origin in the finals,

1070
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: Like he's just a bit you know, not there, But

1071
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: as soon as he's needed, he always turns up. And

1072
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: the bigger the game, the better he goes. And he

1073
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: showed that win the Clive too, so it was, Yeah,

1074
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: I was pumped for him.

1075
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: It's funny you should say, because you mentioned some let's

1076
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: call it unsung heroes. Earlier on you did, Nathan and

1077
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm your hooker whose name is just avoids me for

1078
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: some reason, but I wanted to give him a great game.

1079
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: He's just got like concrete weapon. He's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah,

1080
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: he's he leads the party afterwards as well. He's amazing.

1081
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he's just that's half and that that much

1082
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: of a team man. You know he will do Yeah,

1083
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: he fight his grandmother.

1084
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: For a scrap on the ground. You know, take it

1085
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: up no matter what. You wouldn't need me to do it.

1086
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: And do you, Nathan, do you draw on any sporting

1087
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: heroes to for inspiration apart.

1088
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: From yeah, a lot, a lot I got. I love

1089
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: sort of the American sports. So Tom Brady has always

1090
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: won that I've sort of looked up so and just

1091
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: listening to him and the way he went about his

1092
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: work was saying that I was really drawn towards like

1093
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: surgery is he just disects everything and just get it

1094
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: all back together. Just unbelievable. So he's probably other tople

1095
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 2: list for me, my could join with the last dance

1096
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: After watching that, I was that really inspired me. And

1097
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: then people like Lebron James and all that as well.

1098
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: They're the guys that I look towards and admired.

1099
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: Lebron James. Actually, what's interest about Lebron James and his son?

1100
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: They play together. I mean it wasn't there wasn't much

1101
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: in it a couple of years, but you could do

1102
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: it like hard back yard. Come on. So the celebrations

1103
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: that you guys have been going through, they're pretty much over.

1104
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: I guess you're going to have your wards. It must

1105
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: be coming up soon. You've had yours? Yeah, okay? And

1106
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: who won? And what's your top award at the Penrith

1107
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: car and what? And what's the murf cut right? Who won?

1108
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: Who took the cart Right awards?

1109
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: Two in a row? I think that's his third?

1110
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: And what do you say to someone like him when

1111
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: he when you see that he's now the captain's train side,

1112
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: doesn't he?

1113
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1114
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you what do you what do

1115
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: you say to what do you say to mine? What

1116
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: do you reach out to him and say?

1117
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: Well? I could say I said this to him like

1118
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: he broke the all time games record for Panthers this year,

1119
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: but took Steve Carter's record two hundred and forty four games,

1120
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: which has stood for twenty three years. So I mean

1121
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: I said on that occasion, and I feel like I

1122
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: don't talk enough about Yo. He like what he does

1123
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: for us. He's the best way I could probably sum

1124
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: it up is like I'm always looking to give him

1125
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: a rest, but I'll just never take him off because

1126
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: I just can't. I can't. I can't face us playing

1127
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: without him. He played. He's so durable, he's just so consistent,

1128
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: makes me feel safe when he's on the field. He

1129
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: mentions that I gave him his debut in twenty four

1130
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: and when he didn't think he was ready, but I

1131
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 2: had faith in him before he had faith in himself.

1132
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: So and all he's done since then is he's helped me.

1133
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: So that's how I look at it.

1134
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: Can I just go to like a little topic on

1135
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: the side, Mary foul I saw a post from her

1136
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: with the Penrith jersey on and and then I saw

1137
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: one from you with her. It might have been in

1138
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: your stories, but I can't remember it was her, Like

1139
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, like anything, I'm.

1140
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: Just I'm looking forward to seeing her. I got to

1141
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: see her soon. And where is she now? She's in England.

1142
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: The season had just started so she couldn't come back

1143
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: for the game, but she she wore the Panthers jersey

1144
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: to her game actually and was watching it.

1145
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: So how did you meet her at this event?

1146
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: And I'd none of her for a little bit, and

1147
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: then I sort of knew that she was going to

1148
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: be there that night, and I was a bit like,

1149
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: I hope that our path cross and we're no, it

1150
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: was not. Story was pretty shy though, so yeah, I

1151
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: can imagine. Yeah, so it was it was nothing crazy

1152
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: at this stun and then we just she was here

1153
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: for the World Cup, so yeah, to know each other

1154
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1155
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: And she she's added US ambassador as well. So like,

1156
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: if if the two of you, like you know, get

1157
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: together and do something, get married or whatever, and you

1158
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: move in the house together, you're going to have to

1159
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: get a big house because the number of boxes of it,

1160
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to.

1161
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: Have three rooms for it.

1162
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Because I saw a post it was on your page

1163
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: at about being one of your sponsors and poor a

1164
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: lady help redesign your bedroom or something, and she didn't

1165
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: know how to deal with it. They showed a picture

1166
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: of all the like there was a wall full of

1167
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: added our shoes.

1168
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: That's the start of it. Yeah, I'm pretty into my

1169
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: shoes and lucky enough to be responsible out of us.

1170
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty good one to be sponsored by.

1171
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely, So they definitely helped that need.

1172
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I was looking at my wheels before I came in

1173
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: because I was looking at it in my office and

1174
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 1: much ship. He's probably one of those guys knows everything

1175
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: about shoes, you know, and he's going to say something

1176
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: to me like I had my crappy I don't even

1177
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: say what I got. I got my crappy shoes and

1178
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: training shoes.

1179
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 2: I know the feeling.

1180
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: Mate. Yeah, you've got to get a shoe game, right mate.

1181
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: You've got to help him. I get him shoes pretty

1182
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: much every time for his birthday, Christmas, So he's stepping

1183
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: it up a little bit.

1184
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: If you don't pay from that, do you? Because there's smart.

1185
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: He's come on, he's smart. He works ou out pretty quick.

1186
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: He used to bag me for it, but now he

1187
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: actually appreciates the shoes.

1188
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: Well you know how important. Well I've only more recently

1189
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: learned how important having a shoe game, right. That's a

1190
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: really important thing, especially out where you're living now, because

1191
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Like, you know, you got to

1192
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: have the right shoes, dude, Like and you've got to

1193
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: listen to your son. He knows what you should be

1194
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: wearing with you right colors. I'm not sure about those ones.

1195
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm already married. I don't need to impress anyone.

1196
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Pressure the kids. Can I ask you?

1197
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: Like it?

1198
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: It's an elephant room question, but like I'm gonna ask

1199
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: it anyway. Gus cool. Gus is a controversial figure, especially

1200
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: he has been in relation to Penrith and in some

1201
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: respects self. He was at the roosters for a long time.

1202
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: As you know, he's now Cantery. One thing no one

1203
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: can deny. Gus a smart guy and committed. Do you

1204
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: attribute any any of this success, not the success of

1205
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: you as a coach, but success of Pendrith generally to

1206
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: what Gus might have done earlier on?

1207
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, And I would attribute a lot of success

1208
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: as a coach I've had too because I played four

1209
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: years under Gus. He also got me to come to

1210
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: Penrith originally also sacked me. But a lot of a

1211
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: lot of how I look at the game and what

1212
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: I learned about the game and how I still coach

1213
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 2: today is from is from Gus, and he would he

1214
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: would know that by the way we by the way

1215
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: we play, I managed people differently the way he does.

1216
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: But from Penrith itself like he yeah, twelve years ago

1217
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: when he when he brought me, and he completely changed

1218
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: the way that our club was built in terms of pathways.

1219
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: At that point, eighty percent of the top twenty five

1220
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: in those days, eighty percent were from the players had

1221
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: come from elsewhere. Only twenty percent were locally grown. Really yeah,

1222
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: and all the success from the past, so like the

1223
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: nine to ninety one team, the two thousand and three

1224
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: were always there's a big chunk of players either locals

1225
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 2: or kids that had come from the bush or somewhere

1226
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: where they'd grown up in Panas. So we had to

1227
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: turn that on its head and gust drove all that.

1228
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: He created the pathway system a big He was a

1229
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: big part of the building our academy, our actual high

1230
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: performance center out there as well. So, without doubt, like

1231
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: his fingerprints on the way the club was built. Some

1232
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: of these guys that you know, Nat and Jerome, he

1233
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: was responsible starting the Halves academy. When these boys came

1234
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: came through an academy half and that Jerome were really

1235
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: they were part of the inaugural one.

1236
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: So it's mad yeah, specifically for that those two positions.

1237
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trent Barr Okay, wow, Yeah, so Gus had a

1238
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: huge influence on it, but I actually think that he

1239
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: probably had to leave in order for us to actually

1240
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: reach our potential as well.

1241
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he can be like that though. I mean

1242
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: he's he's good in the beginning and structure will set

1243
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: up a structure. It's un I mean he did it

1244
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: Origin too. If you remember, like during the Puber when

1245
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: he was an Origin coach, you did the roosters as

1246
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: you remember stick And now he's doing a good job

1247
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: with the dogs and he's sort of picked a few,

1248
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: picked the eyes out of a few of your ex players.

1249
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: He probably knew them before though, I guess, and he

1250
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: knew that their potential. Yeah do you does he textures?

1251
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: Mate?

1252
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: Well done on talking terms.

1253
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: I haven't spent it for a long time, but I'm

1254
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: sure it would be fine.

1255
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it means he didn't texture like that. The great

1256
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: thing about footy, right, and because we all accept the

1257
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: tribalism of it and it's still his tribal I mean,

1258
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: like it's particularly where you guys are like, it's very

1259
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: tribal and like and if I could, certainly you know

1260
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: there is and to some extent it's even probably often

1261
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: I've talked to the coppers about this, and you know,

1262
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: like guys in the administration police and they talk about

1263
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: they could get concerned sometimes about the tribalism of footing

1264
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: around your area, particularly in is It one four? Yeah,

1265
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: And on one hand that's really powerful, like powerful you

1266
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: as a member of the community. Power for you as

1267
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: a captain of coach and you as a coach and

1268
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: as a team member. It really pushes the community together.

1269
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: And you've got the FDA from the area. That stuff

1270
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: is like to me, that tribalism is what I like

1271
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: about footy. One of the Souths have been out of

1272
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: hanging there for so long, and don't worry, they'll come back.

1273
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: I just know South has come back, you know, like

1274
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: he's experienced what I'm talking about, like as a niece

1275
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: e bloke, But they always just keep coming back. You

1276
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: can't kill him, I won't say it, like cockroaches, but

1277
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: you can't kill them, literally can't. And you can't kill

1278
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: the troubleism in an area like yours. How do you

1279
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: sort of manage to balance that though, Like, make sure

1280
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't get out of hand, it doesn't become doesn't

1281
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: cause a problem for the club. I mean, and I

1282
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: don't know if it does, But how do you make

1283
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't?

1284
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, I know there's definitely the clubs

1285
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: had some fears in and around that. It sort of

1286
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: spills over a little bit of local games, particularly around

1287
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: spectators and supporters of games and stuff. So and the

1288
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: boys themselves, it's quite a big responsibility for them because

1289
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: they have such a connection. Yeah, if they're from the

1290
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: area of the Mountain drew It boys and they and

1291
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: they will have incredible loyalty to where they come from,

1292
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: which is really powerful. Yeah, but they've also got to

1293
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: be Yeah, they're in a position where they've also got,

1294
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: obviously the club to think about their own sort of

1295
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: position as a role model in society. And it's a

1296
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: pretty tricky, very tricky. It's a tricky situation. But our boys,

1297
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: they have done incredibly well. Unhandled it with a plumber,

1298
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: must say. I like the way business sort of goes

1299
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: about it. He's always joking about everything, and yeah, he

1300
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: manages to just anything that's ever serious, you'll just reflect

1301
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: with something funny or stupid, and he gets away with

1302
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: the like that.

1303
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: I think he's maybe and others maybe others see that too,

1304
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: Maybe others can learn from that, because it could be

1305
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, you don't because lastly you want is a

1306
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: split in there, like between groups of guys and they

1307
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: got wives and you know, their partners and families and

1308
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters and stuff like that. It can get

1309
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: a bit messy. And I guess is that for the

1310
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: captainal for the coach to manage or we've.

1311
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: We've been really clear at Panthers that we have our

1312
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: own culture, right. So you know, a lot of boys

1313
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: do come from the area, a lot of boys come

1314
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: from other places as well. And no matter who you are,

1315
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 2: where you've come from, you know your cultural backgrounds, color

1316
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: of your skin, what, how do you want to heat

1317
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: where you have tatoos and no tatoos whatever. As long

1318
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: as you fit in the values of the Panthers and

1319
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: you know, respect our culture, then you can be. You

1320
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: can be from wherever you want. And I think the

1321
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: boys themselves have driven that really well, and that's been

1322
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: sort of our north star, if you like, for all

1323
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: sorts of things, and in particular that what you're talking about.

1324
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: Can we just drink West? So you're in with sorry,

1325
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: the two partners is tie and who's and how's it going?

1326
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: Drink West? Yeah, it's good. It's it's a hard gig

1327
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: with the brewery is hard, Yeah, but it's it's been enjoyable.

1328
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: It's been something that just learning about probably my first

1329
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: dip into business, so just learning along the way. And yeah,

1330
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: it's been fun. Obviously those two ways the polarizing characters,

1331
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: so they always keep it fire.

1332
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: I love him, I particularly Ty. Yeah, he's a great guy.

1333
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: He's told his story to a million times, like he's

1334
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: I just love his effort, like outside of the UFC, Yeah,

1335
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: his effort as a person to try to be better.

1336
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, he's similar to the sort of Romium business I

1337
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 2: would have give him back to the area and trying

1338
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: to build everyone up that that comes from there and

1339
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 2: showing them that there's hope, you know, to make it out.

1340
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: And I think that's saying that those boys in particularly

1341
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: have done really well and it's now become cool to

1342
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: be from Mandre, where in the past probably wasn't totally.

1343
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: Will you guys that keep keep that coolners going there,

1344
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: like winning grand finals like that on the pins it

1345
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: straight up, yeah, you know, like and God help you

1346
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: if you lose next year, you get brushed for life.

1347
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: But I love the idea that they've built a beer

1348
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: around people who live in the West, because this makes

1349
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: that's smart to me. Yeah, because you've got to you've

1350
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: got a brewer. Now, he's got a brewer. Nowt there,

1351
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: and you've actually got as a bar pick going to

1352
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: have a drink there.

1353
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1354
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I went out there. I got invited him.

1355
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: I went out there, and I thought that's pretty smart.

1356
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: And you know, like if if you guys ever needed

1357
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: any help, and I've extended to tie if you want,

1358
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: like you always coming to talk to me. You know,

1359
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: I've got a mate who's he's made of his too.

1360
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: He's actually in the moment who owned a brewing business

1361
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: and sold him and Mickfending, aren't it and a couple

1362
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: others and they sold a large amount of money.

1363
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: If you ever wanted to talk to it, that'd be

1364
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: great actually because he's here, he hasn't seeing it for

1365
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: the next couple of days and anyway he comes back

1366
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: and forth. But it'd be good because I'm thinking to myself,

1367
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: what does does Nathan think about post footy?

1368
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: I'll be about it more like, particularly this year with injuries,

1369
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: I had a lot of time to myself to think

1370
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: and what ifs. Yeah, exactly, Like you just think it's

1371
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 2: going to go forever, but then you have a few injuries,

1372
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: you're out of the game and you sort of realize, like,

1373
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: this isn't going to last forever. So dragging this year

1374
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: is probably the first year I've really thought about post

1375
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: footy and what that looks like for me. And yeah,

1376
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: it's been an interesting journey. It's one that I am

1377
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: excited about. I know it's a fair way away. Well

1378
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: I hope it's fair away yet, but something that I'm

1379
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: excited about. It's a new passion, something that you can

1380
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: put your time and effort into and yeah, we'll see

1381
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: when we get there.

1382
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: What does a club do that sort of thing I

1383
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: would do. It's just penrith sort of extend to their players'

1384
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: assistance or you know, like encourage them to do courses

1385
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: or is there something going on And as a coach,

1386
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: do you do anything in that regard for the team

1387
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: and the team members?

1388
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, not so specifically, We definitely encourage them to to

1389
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 2: do stuff outside of just footy, you know, so whether

1390
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: that's plenty of players are actually doing courses and trying

1391
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: to look into other things just to help them for

1392
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: life after. As that mentioned, it can be a pretty

1393
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: sure career and you never quite know when it's over.

1394
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: On business stuff, there's yeah, we have sort of help available,

1395
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: but it's probably nothing. It's so formal. Maybe you need

1396
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: to come out.

1397
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: Happy to I'm happy that not because we do that.

1398
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: That's the sort of stuff I'd like to do it because,

1399
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: as I like to tell it, young blokes and young

1400
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: women improve their lives and do better. Because it's kind

1401
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: of put me when you say the sporting career, the

1402
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: footy career can be short. Well, I mon't be put

1403
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: another way. You're going to live to your generation. You

1404
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: live to ninety or one hundred, and not many players

1405
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: go past thirty five for arguments sake, you know, Jerry

1406
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,879
Speaker 1: Evans is probably one. You might too, because you're pretty robust.

1407
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: But let's say you get a thirty six, thirty seven.

1408
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: That means you've got to fifty odd years. You've got

1409
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: to spend money, you've got to make sure something's coming

1410
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: in to fill the gap. And it's worth thinking about, Yeah,

1411
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: for sure. And it's good that you're thinking about that

1412
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. And I guess, you know, having a

1413
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: girl you're interested in too, Like you probably start to

1414
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: have thoughts to a one day. You know, I've got

1415
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: to keep the clearing name going. Yeah, absolutely, have maybe

1416
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: one sport, one kid play sport? Probably why not? What

1417
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: should be good? If it's a girl or a boy.

1418
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: Be a good kicker. You'll be able to kick a ball.

1419
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: A lot of things, yeah, but I good. But they're

1420
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: the things that make you start to think. And it's funny.

1421
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: I guess you look like to me a much more

1422
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: mature player this year than I've ever seen you before.

1423
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, I know you had some injuries, but you

1424
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: look like you're more settled on the on the field.

1425
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: You look like you're more in control of yourself, therefore

1426
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: puts you more in control of the game. I get

1427
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: those thoughts start. That type of personality seems to emerge once

1428
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: you start to have thoughts about what am we going

1429
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: to do in the future, you know, like will I

1430
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: have a family one day? And I guess that's where you're.

1431
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: At yeah, I think probably more so than I'm much

1432
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: very settled off the field at the moment, just my

1433
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: headspace and the people in my life, and I'm really

1434
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: content with that. So that definitely helps on the field,

1435
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: but it also does make you think about the future

1436
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: and what's going to happen, and yeah, put a little

1437
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: bit more thought into that.

1438
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: So do you just dad and become the dad and

1439
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: not the coach anymore? At that point?

1440
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: Do you?

1441
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: I mean, do you let my kids don't talk to.

1442
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: Me about it?

1443
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: Just do it? My dad? He's a she's pregnant. You

1444
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: know that's a bit extreme, but like, my kids will

1445
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: kill me for saying, but I haven't helped you, but

1446
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like, does do you

1447
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: have to cross that bridge? Like Dad's gone from being

1448
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: a coach to being dad.

1449
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: Well, I've always been lucky with that. Dad's always still

1450
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: felt like dad to me. Obviously a train and it

1451
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: feels like he's the coach, coach a training or dad,

1452
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: I'll call him Dad. But I've realized that I'd never

1453
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: say it, like out loud that much because I don't

1454
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,839
Speaker 2: really want to be yelling across like Dad, And sometimes

1455
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: I'm talking to other people, I will describe it as ivan. Yeah, yeah,

1456
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: we're on the same on the same path. But yeah,

1457
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: I have always been lucky that he's still remained dad

1458
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: to me. And obviously mum's there too, and I got

1459
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: a really close frap with both of them, and they've

1460
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: always helped me from a young age with handling money

1461
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 2: and even property and stuff like that. And I've had

1462
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: good people around me to help me with that sort

1463
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: of stuff. So it's probably made me think about the

1464
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: future more than I actually even knew I was at

1465
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: the time, and put me in a good space for that.

1466
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: Well, you've I have to tell you.

1467
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: It's like.

1468
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: You your currency outside of the panthers is huge, so

1469
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: when we walk outside, your currency is huge. So you've

1470
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: got a great future, like for as long as you

1471
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: can play footy. Yeah yeah, but and yeah, you've got

1472
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: you come from a fantastic family. You've got pretty much

1473
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: everything ahead of you. Like it's at some stages sort

1474
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: of turns around to you. You've got to take ownership

1475
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: of Now I'm the dude, I'm the guy. It's funny

1476
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: like parents sort of go like that, like eventually you

1477
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: stop having dad and you have sort of equal, you

1478
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: become like it's not equal, you know what I mean?

1479
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: Equivalent it's probably better word. And it just seems to

1480
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: me like that you're moving into that territory now and

1481
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: I look at it, Ivan, I think, what how content

1482
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: you must be having such a wonderful family, like mate,

1483
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: like could you have a dream that like if you

1484
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: go back in the nineties, he must pinch yourself.

1485
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will. I'm super lucky if my family

1486
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: is the everything to me and it's yeah, like I

1487
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: obviously coach for a living, but that's not who I am.

1488
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, my family's first and foremost. And interesting you

1489
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: say that about about that, because I was thinking about

1490
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: that this week where it's like he's like he's now

1491
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: a man and it's like, wow, you think you know

1492
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: you're firstborn, he's now a man. And just every time

1493
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: you just hear him talk, he just amazes me like

1494
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: like where he's coming, like where he's at. So yeah,

1495
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: it's that's pretty cool.

1496
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: Congratulations not only winning the coaching Grand Fato, congratulations to

1497
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: you and your wife for raising what you've raised all

1498
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: of them. And they often say the opp doesn't drop

1499
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: far from the dream, mate, so like, thank you. It's

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01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: going to be it's got to have something a lot

1501
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: to do with the way you conduct yourself.

1502
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you would be the greatest achievement of my life.

1503
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: And my kids, you know, continue to be upstanding citizens

1504
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: and at varied of the community.

1505
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's pretty cool. Added that brings me

1506
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: into this. Yes, by the way, anyone think he played

1507
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't get away with that?

1508
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 2: I actually said it was pretty cool. It was pretty

1509
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: cool because he's quite as some moment every now and

1510
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: you're sitting out.

1511
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: Of the top of you guys like you've written a book.

1512
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: Not everything counts, but everything matters. It's how connection and

1513
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: courage teach us to win an enor And this is

1514
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: about it. This is an anoral leadership story. This book's

1515
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: going to be on the shelves soon, if not now,

1516
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: but it's going to be in the book shelves very soon.

1517
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: What's this book about?

1518
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 2: Tell us about? Yeah, so it's not. It's certainly not

1519
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: my life story. It's something that's really got me out

1520
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: of my comfort zone. I just couldn't even imagine ever

1521
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: having a book written about me. I thought that was

1522
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: reserved for bokes like you, so.

1523
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: Mate, much more than me.

1524
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 2: So I consider myself a pretty normal dude who's just persevered.

1525
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: You know, I used the talents that I have and

1526
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 2: learn as much as I can over the years, and

1527
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: i'd like to think that I can be obviously, you know,

1528
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 2: parallel with coaching and sport, but it's a bit more

1529
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: than that, I think. You know, hopefully people in business can. Yeah,

1530
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: it can be helped by some of the stuff that

1531
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: I've been through.

1532
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: You're in the business of Woody.

1533
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: And I'm not telling by the way, this is be

1534
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: really clear on this. I'm not telling people how to

1535
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 2: do anything. I just sort of more like my story

1536
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: and some stuff that I've learned along the way, and

1537
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 2: hasn't all been easy, and hasn't all been as I

1538
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: said earlier, you're and skittles, certainly not. So's some lessons

1539
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 2: in and around that. Obviously, the father son thing where

1540
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, just about every junior sports team in Australia,

1541
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: you know, has a father, mother son daughter relationship. Even

1542
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: in business, there's a lot of small businesses that are

1543
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: family businesses. So hopefully you know our story, can you

1544
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: know the ups and downs of that, it might be

1545
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: able to help too. So yeah, still feels a bit weird,

1546
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: and I'm a bit nervous actually about the whole thing.

1547
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: But you're killing, You're killing, and I just want to

1548
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: read what you wrote in the front of it says,

1549
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: this is from you to mom and dad. Think if

1550
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: you're showing me the way into the game of rugby

1551
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 1: league the greatest going of all, I owe you everything.

1552
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: Can you tell me about your mom and dad?

1553
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was I'm the youngest of three boys.

1554
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: So we grew up in the Northern Beaches in an

1555
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: era where, yeah, we were sort of allowed to get

1556
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: out and about, you know that the old days, and

1557
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 2: I was the youngest of three brothers, so I was

1558
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: just dragged along and to everything and anything. I was

1559
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 2: very sporty family. Mum and dad split when I was

1560
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 2: pretty young, about ten. So yeah, I don't know, they

1561
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 2: didn't They're always there, but they didn't tell tell us everything,

1562
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They allowed us to become

1563
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: you know, there was a pretty set way of how

1564
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 2: you should do things and treat people. But apart from that,

1565
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 2: they always sort of let us kind of find our

1566
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: own way, I thought. So, Mum's still I'm still very

1567
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: healthy and going well. My dad passed away earlier this year,

1568
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 2: so I'm already hear that. You know what is he

1569
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: had a good life. I think he helped us on

1570
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: the weekend too, and he would have been up there

1571
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: watching him as a huge fan.

1572
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: That's actually adds a little extra to the whole thing,

1573
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, winning it for him, Yeah, But

1574
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 1: I think, yeah.

1575
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: You realize as you get older how much you sort

1576
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: of learned from your parents from your early years. You

1577
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 2: know just how things should be done and how they're done,

1578
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: and you know ways of looking at things. And as

1579
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: I said, they never yeah, they weren't pushing any stretch,

1580
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: but they Yeah, they kind of taught your stuff in

1581
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: their own way, I reckon, And yeah, I think that's

1582
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: You're definitely grateful for that.

1583
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: It sounds like they gave you sort of a good

1584
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: footing but good wings at the same time.

1585
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, to do both. Yeah, I think

1586
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: it's important that you kind of let your kids stumble

1587
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: and make their own mistakes and yeah, and sort of

1588
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 2: they have to be able to pick them up, but

1589
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: they've got to kind of work it out as well.

1590
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: I just won't just cover a couple of the chapters.

1591
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: He will part their parts. So the first one is

1592
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: about culture, the second one is about leadership, which I

1593
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: think is a has an application anywhere, not just in

1594
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: footy the game itself. That's I guess you'd be talking

1595
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: about strategies and tactics and yeah, just seeing the stories

1596
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: from the actual and winning. You've got a whole part

1597
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: of winning. How important is it for your team in

1598
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: terms of like the last weekend, winning that Grand Final?

1599
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,799
Speaker 1: Is it for them to understand winning themselves and actually

1600
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: know how to win?

1601
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess that's there's a section in the

1602
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 2: book around I probably made a change in strategy sort

1603
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: of five years ago where I was always obviously interested

1604
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: in winning and always was competitive and wanted to win,

1605
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: but I don't think I was actually being true to

1606
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: it where I was completely risking all to win, you know.

1607
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: So it might be a bit like you prepare you know, nine,

1608
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: but you're not quite the last five for whatever reason,

1609
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: just to give you that a little bit of a

1610
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of moving room. We've got

1611
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: a room if you lose off we had done that,

1612
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 2: we would have won or whatever. And I just got

1613
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: to a point when I came back to the Panthers

1614
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: six years ago, where if we hadn't have succeeded in

1615
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty season, I would have left the game.

1616
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: So I just yeah, decided to not only say that myself,

1617
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: but put it out there, said that to the players.

1618
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 2: Our whole culture was built on winning. We're a professional

1619
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 2: sports team, you know, we're not a local park team.

1620
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 2: So winning not only matters, but it's essential and that's

1621
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 2: the way we've approached things and we will continue to

1622
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: do so just so happens to be. It's worked.

1623
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: But I think people would be fascinated too. It's sort

1624
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: of a bit of it. I guess what is he

1625
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: will be fascinated to read this because I think it

1626
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter with you're a footy fan. If a footy fan, yes,

1627
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: but if you're not a footy fan, these areas about winning.

1628
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: Winning is the same business. You've got to be winning

1629
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: businesses in business as well, you need leadership and business,

1630
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 1: you need culture and business and all those chapters or

1631
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: sections just as valuable in every walk of life, as

1632
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned.

1633
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. So that's that's the idea. Mark, you know,

1634
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: I'm not just I definitely would never want to have

1635
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 2: a book of just where it's all about me or

1636
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: anything like that. I just, yeah, I'm hopeful that people

1637
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 2: in all different walks of life can can get something

1638
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: out of it.

1639
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: And I got to say, it's an old photo. There's

1640
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: not US twenty there, but they're just great here. But

1641
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: that's an old photo.

1642
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: There was no I'm pretty sure the make up there.

1643
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we've got four G cameras. Hey, guys,

1644
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: I look, I'm privileged to heavy in here. I want

1645
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: to congratulate again for everything you've done for footy, everything

1646
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 1: you've done for Penrith, every thing you've done in the field,

1647
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: everything you've done in the field for your team, but

1648
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: you've done for the area and raising a wonderful family.

1649
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 2: Good on.

1650
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: Thanks having a prettiate.

1651
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, right, appreciate it. Yeah m hm