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Speaker 1: And along with all the action at the Republican National Convention,
Speaker 1: I've got some new footage I'm pretty sure you haven't
Speaker 1: seen yet of Joe Biden. That'll make you wonder why
Speaker 1: they let him out in front of the cameras at all.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna have plenty of action right here the
Speaker 1: man Cave with all your Tuesday Night favorites. Now, let's
Speaker 1: head to Milwaukee for the Republican National Convention. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: that's the only reason to go to Milwaukee anyway, right Sorry, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I kid. If you're watching this in Milwaukee, please send
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Speaker 1: So anyway, the RNC. A couple of big things. One,
Speaker 1: we saw Donald Trump earlier today for the first time
Speaker 1: since an assassin's bullet miraculously, and I don't use that
Speaker 1: word lightly clipped only his ear while he was speaking
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania over the weekend. But that's not all. We
Speaker 1: also heard the news, the long awaited news of who
Speaker 1: Trump's vice presidential pick would be, and that was none
Speaker 1: other than Ohio Senator J. D.
Speaker 3: Vance.
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at the moment the news hit
Speaker 1: the floor and Trump walked in with his pick, my.
Speaker 4: Honor to nominate Ohio Senator jd Vance for the office
Speaker 4: a Vice President of the United States of America.
Speaker 1: Well, let me throw my cards on the table. I
Speaker 1: think this was a great choice. Look look at the
Speaker 1: other options he had. Marco Rubio was a tryhard, had
Speaker 1: heard of Doug Bergham, and Christy Nome had shot a dog,
Speaker 1: so they're all out. But even beyond this little process
Speaker 1: of elimination, jd Vance is a spectacular choice. And let
Speaker 1: me explain why. You see, right now, the normal so
Speaker 1: called expert political advice for Trump would be telling him
Speaker 1: that he should have gone for somebody who was a
Speaker 1: so called moderate, somebody who could broaden the base, somebody
Speaker 1: who could go out there and reassure nervous suburban voters
Speaker 1: that Trump is it nuts that the VP will be
Speaker 1: there to moderate him and the administration. You know, basically,
Speaker 1: the idea would be that the VP pick would be
Speaker 1: someone to keep the White House plugged into the blob
Speaker 1: or the swamp or the deep state, or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call that vast freedom killing bureaucracy that Trump
Speaker 1: has vowed to tear down. But as his his want,
Speaker 1: Trump went the other way from the experts. And JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is a serious conservative. He's spoken at National Conservatism conferences. That's,
Speaker 1: by the way, a movement you are going to hear
Speaker 1: a lot more about in the coming weeks, trust me,
Speaker 1: and he has. JD. Vance has an incredible resume that
Speaker 1: has taken him from a childhood in small, absolutely in
Speaker 1: a small, absolutely dirt poor town in southern Ohio, to
Speaker 1: the Marines, to Iraq, to Yale Law School, to venture capital,
Speaker 1: and then to the Senate. This is the American dream.
Speaker 1: He wrote a book about it, if they made a
Speaker 1: movie of two called Hillbilly Elogy. Now politically again. Vance
Speaker 1: is a conservative, a conservative populist, and a skeptic on
Speaker 1: the sort of free trade that got in the local
Speaker 1: economy where he grew up. And he equally detests the
Speaker 1: sort of neo conservative foreign policy that he saw when
Speaker 1: he was in Iraq. He signed up, by the way
Speaker 1: for that after nine to eleven for what was the
Speaker 1: original so called Forever War. Now for Trump, Strategically picking
Speaker 1: this guy enables a few things to happen. Number One,
Speaker 1: it means that Vance can be the attack dog and
Speaker 1: Trump can run a much more positive campaign. Think John
Speaker 1: Howard and Peter Costello by the way, in Parliament if
Speaker 1: you want an Australian analogy there. But number two, it
Speaker 1: also means that assuming the Trump Dvance ticket gets into office, well,
Speaker 1: it means that Democrats in Congress, or prosecutors with a
Speaker 1: grudge or whomever else will be less likely to try
Speaker 1: and impeach Trump and get him out of office. You see,
Speaker 1: Vance in the number two seat acts as an insurance policy.
Speaker 1: If you take down Trump, you'll get the same but
Speaker 1: worse and in the body of someone who is right
Speaker 1: now only thirty nine years old. That age, by the way,
Speaker 1: is fascinating too. I mean, the torch is really passing
Speaker 1: here and it shows the huge generational difference here. Remember
Speaker 1: Vance served in the Iraq War. Biden voted for it. Now. Thirdly,
Speaker 1: this pick gives the Republicans a real narrative of economic opportunity. Again,
Speaker 1: Vance made it out of a dirt poor former factory
Speaker 1: town to the heights of American success. The Trump narrative
Speaker 1: will be, let's make this a country where this is
Speaker 1: possible again. And all of this now brings us to
Speaker 1: the other side of the equation, Joe Biden and the Democrats,
Speaker 1: and of course much of the media, which are now
Speaker 1: in absolutely full freak out mode. By the way, speaking
Speaker 1: of the media, I have to show you this fantastic
Speaker 1: moment from the floor of the convention today. Check out
Speaker 1: what happened here when some hapless MSNBC correspondent build up
Speaker 1: young Donald Trump Junior at the convention.
Speaker 3: If the media actually starts being an honest broker talking
Speaker 3: about the things that he did, the prosperity he brought,
Speaker 3: the peace deals that he signed around the world, rather
Speaker 3: than the disaster that we're living right now, I think
Speaker 3: you do everyone in the country big favor. I know
Speaker 3: imigrations at Bortan Jim, I covered the family separation crisis closely.
Speaker 3: When we continue to see policies like separating five thousand
Speaker 3: children deliberately from their parents, you mean the Obama administration
Speaker 3: and which you know they didn't do that, sir, Sure
Speaker 3: will there be a second family separation policy? It's MSDNC,
Speaker 3: So I expect nothing less from you clowns, even today,
Speaker 3: even forty eight hours later. You couldn't wait. You couldn't
Speaker 3: wait with your lives and with your nonsense. So just
Speaker 3: get out of here.
Speaker 1: And that, my friends, is how it is done. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: this is how it's not done. Look, last night, you
Speaker 1: recall I talked about how the Democrats have a real
Speaker 1: fundamental problem now in the wake of the attempted assassination
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. On the one hand, they say they
Speaker 1: want to lower the temperature of discourse. We shall be
Speaker 1: nice and kind, as Joe Biden said from the Oval
Speaker 1: Office yesterday. On the other hand, if the Democrats and
Speaker 1: the left really are serious about lowering the temperature, well
Speaker 1: that means they can't keep calling Trump the second coming
Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler, who will end American democracy. Now, this,
Speaker 1: of course has put the Democrats in a real tight spot,
Speaker 1: because if it's true that they really believe that Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: of all people, will suddenly end the two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty year American experiment in small r republican governance, that
Speaker 1: all the checks and balances and courts and constraints can
Speaker 1: be undone by one man. Well, sorry, Democrats, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like you've got a lot of faith in
Speaker 1: the American system you claim to treasure and venerate. But meanwhile,
Speaker 1: if the Democrats have to stop talking now about how
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is an absolutely existential and presumably must be
Speaker 1: eliminated threat to American democracy, well then they'll have nothing
Speaker 1: left to sell to voters. But fear Now, guess what
Speaker 1: the Great White House brains trust Joe Biden, Kamala Harris Creen,
Speaker 1: Jean Pierre, the chiefs of staff, all of them. Though
Speaker 1: they've put on their thinking caps, they've gone into solution mode,
Speaker 1: and they've come up with this.
Speaker 4: The view is that Trump and the maga Republican agenda
Speaker 4: is a threat to democracy.
Speaker 5: So how do you get.
Speaker 6: That message across while bringing the temperature down?
Speaker 5: How is that phrasing going to be replaced?
Speaker 7: Is it going to be replaced?
Speaker 6: Well, look, what I can say is this, we have
Speaker 6: our differences, and it's okay to have our differences, and
Speaker 6: it is okay to speak to someone's record, to speak
Speaker 6: to some one's character.
Speaker 1: Well as creag Jean Pierre would say. What I can
Speaker 1: say is this, it sounds to me like that's code
Speaker 1: for We're just going to keep calling the other guys
Speaker 1: fascists because hey, we're the good guys, right, We're Democrats. Now,
Speaker 1: the Biden White House simply can't be fascists. They'd never
Speaker 1: put their leader on a blood red set flanked with
Speaker 1: flags and military people to denounce the opposition is beyond
Speaker 1: the pale.
Speaker 8: Would they Donald Trump and the Maga Republicans represented extremism
Speaker 8: that threatens the very foundations of our republic.
Speaker 1: Of course, it would never do anything like that, and
Speaker 1: that certainly didn't look at all fascist to me really. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that was just a couple of years ago, and of
Speaker 1: course the message of the Biden White House is still
Speaker 1: the same, Joe Biden, the Democrats good Trump and the
Speaker 1: Republic gets bad. But the messenger, Joe Biden, well, he's
Speaker 1: a little less slick than he was back then because
Speaker 1: while the GOP was having its Milwaukee love in Gosh,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the first time of that phrase has
Speaker 1: ever been used before. The President was giving an interview
Speaker 1: to NBC Let's have a look.
Speaker 2: You called your opponent an existential threat on a call
Speaker 2: a week ago. You said it's time to put Trump
Speaker 2: in the bullseye. There's some dispute about the context, but
Speaker 2: I think you appreciated cross here.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't say cross hair, so okay, much better that.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was also asked if he'd spoken to Kimberly Cheatle,
Speaker 1: the director of the Secret Service, and he appeared to
Speaker 1: not know that she.
Speaker 4: Is a she.
Speaker 2: Is it acceptable you have still not heard, at least
Speaker 2: publicly from the.
Speaker 8: Secret Service director.
Speaker 2: I've heard, John, Have you heard from her publicly?
Speaker 8: Public Crafts sat down in a situation downstairs.
Speaker 1: I've heard from him. He said, Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: got to say, this is a common problem for Democrats
Speaker 1: these days, not knowing what is a woman I suppose,
Speaker 1: And then there was.
Speaker 2: This traumas said, he's giving you a chance to redeem yourself,
Speaker 2: basically the idea of engaging in another debate.
Speaker 9: We're gonna have another debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have one in September. That's on the books.
Speaker 2: Would you be open to doing one in the next
Speaker 2: few weeks.
Speaker 8: I'm going to debate him when we agreed to debate,
Speaker 8: and I'm going to rebate him in September.
Speaker 2: But if if the opportunity came up to do one
Speaker 2: between now and then, is there is there a sense
Speaker 2: of wanting to get back on the horse.
Speaker 8: I'm on the horse. Where are you, man? I've done
Speaker 8: twenty two major events and thousands of people, overwhelming crowds,
Speaker 8: a lot happening. I'm on the horse. What I'm doing
Speaker 8: is going out and demonstrating Hmerican people that I've command
Speaker 8: of all my faculties, that I don't need notes, I
Speaker 8: don't need telephone. I can go out and answer any
Speaker 8: questions at all.
Speaker 1: As Bart Simpson might say, yes, Joe, overwhelming crowds in
Speaker 1: your mind, Look when you're explaining you're losing, and when
Speaker 1: you're having to explain to the American people that as
Speaker 1: president you really are still compassmentis and up to the job. Well,
Speaker 1: forgive me for saying this, but just maybe you aren't.
Speaker 1: Now anyway, let's bring in Scott News senior political reporter
Speaker 1: Trudy McIntosh, who joins us direct from Washington, d C. Trudy,
Speaker 1: good evening to you. Thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Live tonight now from Washington. All the
Speaker 1: Republicans are in Milwaukee. I guess the Democrats are still
Speaker 1: in DC. What has been the reaction to Trump's selection
Speaker 1: of JD. Vance as running mate.
Speaker 7: Jdvan's a fascinating pick here, I think emblematic though of
Speaker 7: the modern Republican story, the fact that he was never
Speaker 7: Trumper back in twenty sixteen, goes on to become Donald
Speaker 7: Trump's running mate this time around. We're already seeing these
Speaker 7: clips James running on repeat on morning television here in
Speaker 7: America of what he said about Donald Trump back in
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen, that he like in Donald Trump to Hitler,
Speaker 7: that he even mused at one point about potentially voting
Speaker 7: for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. Ultimately, though Republicans don't
Speaker 7: believe this is going to hurt JD.
Speaker 9: Vance.
Speaker 7: He's had a real transformation since that point. What we've
Speaker 7: seen many Republicans do. Donald Trump is now the Republican Party,
Speaker 7: and JD. Bans is a fully signed up member to that,
Speaker 7: a part of the Mega Mega brand. I should say,
Speaker 7: Donald Trump's eldest sons apparently quite instrumental in convincing their
Speaker 7: father to pick JD. Vance for this spot on the ticket.
Speaker 7: I think fascinating as you were saying, James, that they
Speaker 7: didn't Donald Trump didn't feel the need to go with
Speaker 7: essentially like a token pick. A token woman to try
Speaker 7: and win over the woman vote an African American candidate either,
Speaker 7: to try and shore up that support. He feels pretty
Speaker 7: assured in his own position, picking JD Vans as a result.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this is an interesting point do
Speaker 1: you make that they're trying to push this idea that well,
Speaker 1: he used to be against Trump and now he's for
Speaker 1: Trump to the point where he's his VP pick. But
Speaker 1: you know, if all of the voters that are up
Speaker 1: for grabs right now are the swing voters, the Republicans
Speaker 1: are all locked in hard behind Trump. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: kind of saying to a swing voter, what you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to change your mind.
Speaker 7: Exactly. And also that's the very point of what Republicans
Speaker 7: are trying to do here, flip people who voted for
Speaker 7: Joe Biden last time, convince them that to vote for
Speaker 7: Donald Trump this time around. I do think there's actually
Speaker 7: some benefit in picking someone who hasn't always been on
Speaker 7: board with Donald Trump, and there's so many Republicans who've
Speaker 7: changed their mind on him. Think of Nicki Hayley. She
Speaker 7: fought against him in the campaign primaries for some time.
Speaker 7: She's now going to be invited to speak today in
Speaker 7: Milwaukee at the R and C Convention. So even some
Speaker 7: of the biggest Trump haters can have a change of heart.
Speaker 1: Now. Truly, Washington, DC is about as democrat as town
Speaker 1: as you can get. But is there any sense that
Speaker 1: this assassination attempt on the weekend has started to change
Speaker 1: anybody in that sort of area's mind. Are you seeing
Speaker 1: anybody start to speak more positively about Trump? What's the
Speaker 1: mood on the streets of America right now?
Speaker 7: Well, I think there's obviously a lot of sympathy for
Speaker 7: what was an incredibly shocking event to play out on
Speaker 7: live television, the fact that Donald Trump was only one
Speaker 7: slight head tilt away from being killed on the spot
Speaker 7: there at that rally in Pennsylvania. Initially we saw Democrats,
Speaker 7: you know, talking about turning the temperature down, and we
Speaker 7: need to elevate the debate and ensure there's unity. I'm
Speaker 7: listening to Democrats this morning, though they say it's still
Speaker 7: fine to call out what Trump has done, It's still
Speaker 7: fine to call him a threat to democracy. So I
Speaker 7: think some of that initial toning down one of the
Speaker 7: rhetoric will quickly evaporate as we get closer to November, and.
Speaker 1: There's been some talk in some media out let's that
Speaker 1: the Democrats are basically despairing right now, that they think
Speaker 1: they're absolutely going to hit the wall when it comes
Speaker 1: election time in November on November five. Are you picking
Speaker 1: up any of that sense or do Democrats still have
Speaker 1: some fight in them? Well?
Speaker 7: I think they've got to try and fight to the end,
Speaker 7: don't they. They can't give up. And Joe Biden certainly
Speaker 7: isn't giving up. He's back on the campaign trail proper today.
Speaker 7: He's in Nevada. But that whole conversation that had dominated
Speaker 7: for that Fortnight since the disaster risk debate has shifted
Speaker 7: for Joe Biden. That's a good thing, he says, here's
Speaker 7: one thousand percent committed to remaining in the race. But
Speaker 7: there's still clearly issues with Joe Biden's fitness for office,
Speaker 7: and Democrats haven't privately changed their mind about them that
Speaker 7: but the fact we have not seen people publicly call
Speaker 7: for it. I also note this morning Democrats are trying
Speaker 7: to speed up this virtual role call process ahead of
Speaker 7: their convention in five weeks. The New York Times reporting
Speaker 7: they want that done in the fort By doing that
Speaker 7: and locking it in. It makes it so much harder
Speaker 7: for Joe Biden to not be the candidate. It seems
Speaker 7: like that's where we're heading, with Joe Biden essentially trying
Speaker 7: to run down the clock here to ensure that he
Speaker 7: can remain on the top of the ticket.
Speaker 1: Well, Truy macint Senior political reporter, I don't know who
Speaker 1: would want to replace Joe Biden at this point. It
Speaker 1: seems like a poisoned chalice. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time. Now I want to bring in our panel tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm joined here by Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and
Speaker 1: child and adolescent psychologist Claire Row. Guys, thank you so much. Wow, boy,
Speaker 1: what are we going to talk about? There's been so
Speaker 1: little news in the last two days. You know, it's like, yo, gosh, Joe,
Speaker 1: surely there's a work council we could talk about or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 10: That's right, Yeah, don't worries accountable band Christmas holidays, but yeah,
Speaker 10: it's it's it's extraordinary scenes. I think I'm not sure
Speaker 10: what your correspondent said, but we are now getting to
Speaker 10: the point where Joe Biden, having refused to take one
Speaker 10: for the team, a week ago has now been put
Speaker 10: in the position of forcibly taking one for the team,
Speaker 10: namely to go and basically get pummeled. He's just he's
Speaker 10: basically now just an electoral punching bag, and his service
Speaker 10: to the Democrats and the community will be to go
Speaker 10: out there and lose so that whoever is the next
Speaker 10: hope of the Democrats doesn't get handed to hospital pass
Speaker 10: and become spoiled goods. And as to the JD Vance,
Speaker 10: where's the Democrats? JD Vance? You know, where is you know?
Speaker 10: Is it beto ' rourke or is it you know, like,
Speaker 10: why have the Democrats.
Speaker 1: Not Beato Rourke?
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, that's not a bad.
Speaker 10: Peat, you know. And again I'm not sure for America.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure Republicans voters or swinging voters in the
Speaker 10: Midwest are prepared to swing behind a gay president. But
Speaker 10: Pete Butter.
Speaker 1: I don't think the problem of Joe with Pete butdhaj
Speaker 1: Edge is that he's gay. I think the problem with
Speaker 1: Pete butdhaj Jedge is that he's done such a lousy
Speaker 1: job as Secretary of transportee that Americans know who the
Speaker 1: Secretary of Transportation is. But Claire you.
Speaker 11: Could have the best candidate there and you could tap
Speaker 11: them on the shoulder now and I would say absolutely,
Speaker 11: that's right.
Speaker 9: Kamala Harris, No, why not, Michelle? Which are you thinking?
Speaker 9: I've got to I.
Speaker 1: Think the I think the analogy is here. This is
Speaker 1: the fort sensible candidate and they're just sending him out
Speaker 1: to be sensible. But the yes. But Claire, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, though, this is a really interesting thing
Speaker 1: because JD. Evance is thirty nine years old, so you
Speaker 1: know in.
Speaker 11: Terms of there you go, so don't.
Speaker 9: Look anywhere near as good as you.
Speaker 1: And so so with that well as a thirty nine
Speaker 1: year old yourself, and you can tell us about this,
Speaker 1: what is the this sort of psychology of younger voters?
Speaker 1: Do you think that this is now one of these moments,
Speaker 1: because if you look at it, Kamala Harris fifty nine,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump seventy eight or seventy nine, Joe Biden a
Speaker 1: very old eighty one, and I mean that's an eighty
Speaker 1: one that he's feeling every single one of those years.
Speaker 1: Where do you think this goes here? Do you think
Speaker 1: the Republicans have got a first mover advantage on younger
Speaker 1: voters even though younger voters may theoretically be more left
Speaker 1: wing with that, they're going to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: these guys, they're kind of representing us. We see one
Speaker 1: of our people up there now.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I think it was an ingenious choice. I think
Speaker 11: Trump is a storyteller. And what a story. I mean,
Speaker 11: this is like a Rags to Rich's American playbook story.
Speaker 11: And he's got everything going for him. He's young, he's energetic,
Speaker 11: he's enthusiastic, he's in stark contrast contrast to obviously Biden Harris.
Speaker 11: And I think he's got the you know, given the
Speaker 11: marine connection and the service, he's got the veteran connection.
Speaker 11: I think, as you said before the fact that he
Speaker 11: didn't endorse in twenty sixteen, they can use he's extremely
Speaker 11: articulate and if you can articulate that to that Middle
Speaker 11: America to say, you know, I didn't like Trump either,
Speaker 11: come with me. I changed my mind. I think it's,
Speaker 11: you know, an ingenious, bold choice, but a very good
Speaker 11: one by Trump.
Speaker 1: And the thing is Joe too, jd Vance is really
Speaker 1: he's a you know, he's was a long very active
Speaker 1: Twitter now ex user of he is really current with
Speaker 1: a lot of these sort of new and interesting streams
Speaker 1: and conservative thought national conservatism, which I mentioned before in
Speaker 1: my editorial, Does this represent kind of a new evolution
Speaker 1: of conservative and Republican thought beyond because there have been
Speaker 1: this sort of tension between the neo Khans and the
Speaker 1: Libertarians and these different groups, it feels to me like
Speaker 1: there's something new coming through.
Speaker 10: I completely agree with you, and I think the thing
Speaker 10: that strikes me most about Jada Vance is that he
Speaker 10: is someone who I think has been appalled by the
Speaker 10: snobbery and elitism that has overtaken the left in the West.
Speaker 10: And he's comes from a very working class background but
Speaker 10: went to got to an Ivy League university.
Speaker 9: He would have experienced firsthand just how up their own
Speaker 9: they are. Obviously work in business as well.
Speaker 10: He's got written a book, and it reminds me a
Speaker 10: lot of myself, quite frankly. I mean, I grew up
Speaker 10: and Dan and you know, but you do.
Speaker 9: You're right, and that's right.
Speaker 10: And I was a very active Twitter user and no longer.
Speaker 10: And I think that what I think turned him into
Speaker 10: a Republican and Republican candidate is the same thing that
Speaker 10: I think so many people I know on the left
Speaker 10: mostly privately occasionally probably find just so satisfying about Donald Trump,
Speaker 10: which is not that we like what he stands for,
Speaker 10: whether we agree with all the he's done or even
Speaker 10: his policies necessarily, but he's just sticking it to these uptight,
Speaker 10: horrendous snobs on MSNBC or the like who have have
Speaker 10: become this new upper middle class tertiary assuate left who
Speaker 10: looked down on anyone who doesn't agree with their urbane Will.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about that because you know,
Speaker 1: we see this shift in the Labor Party, and I
Speaker 1: think we all know the Labor Party has a big
Speaker 1: problem with this, and we're seeing this shift in America.
Speaker 1: I thought one of the most fascinating speeches today was
Speaker 1: given by the head of the Teamsters union, Sean O'Brien.
Speaker 1: Let's have a little bit of a look at what
Speaker 1: he had to say.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, the Teamsters are not interested.
Speaker 4: If you have a d R or an I next
Speaker 4: to your name, we want to know one thing, what
Speaker 4: are you doing to help American workers? A fired worker
Speaker 4: cannot afford corporate delays, and these greedy employers know it.
Speaker 4: There are no consequences for the company, only the worker.
Speaker 1: Now, when I was a kid, the Teamsters I think
Speaker 1: endorsed Roald Reagan. There was and there was Jimmy Hoffer.
Speaker 1: And we never did find out in the speech, by
Speaker 1: the way, what end zone goalposts. Jimmy Hoffer didn't wind
Speaker 1: up underneath. But you know they will find a little
Speaker 1: later the campaign. But Joe hildemand I want to stick
Speaker 1: with you for on a moment with this. You know,
Speaker 1: it seems like with the Republicans and the Democrats in
Speaker 1: the US, and frankly with labor in name only in
Speaker 1: Australia versus the Liberals, the Party of Capital has now
Speaker 1: moved to be the party of the left, and it's
Speaker 1: now the sort of the center right party that's actually
Speaker 1: representing or seems to care more about people who are working.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Look, I obviously have been very outspoken in trying to
Speaker 10: about the need for labor to come back to the center,
Speaker 10: to be focused wholly on working families, to leave all
Speaker 10: that stupid identity politics and culture or crap at the
Speaker 10: front door. Others have also been really active about it.
Speaker 10: I know people inside the party have been just gunning
Speaker 10: this like there is no tomorrow. Chris Means is a
Speaker 10: fantastic example in terms of the sort of front of house,
Speaker 10: but also people behind the scenes. I actually think Albo
Speaker 10: has done I know a lot of people won't agree,
Speaker 10: but who watch the show, but I think Albo has
Speaker 10: done a pretty good job of dragging the party back.
Speaker 10: He's ditched a lot of the class war policies, the
Speaker 10: class war rhetoric, and that space is now being well
Speaker 10: and truly marked out and occupied by the Greens. So
Speaker 10: the grains pretending, you know, the Greens are kind of
Speaker 10: half like sort of you know, rah rah, radical revolution.
Speaker 10: But they're also the tertiary educated, affluent, upper middle class
Speaker 10: lefties that I was talking about before, and the seats,
Speaker 10: their seats reflect that.
Speaker 9: And and this is the.
Speaker 1: Thing though, so Claire, I mean, like this is a
Speaker 1: really interesting thing, is that in our lifetimes, in our lifetimes,
Speaker 1: we have seen this shift and basically this reversal of
Speaker 1: the polls from right to left, and the you know,
Speaker 1: all of the left wing voters, you know, have a
Speaker 1: ton of money, and people who vote conservative are considered
Speaker 1: to be uneducated, maybe a little slow whatever. All the
Speaker 1: insults that we get that I get that, you know,
Speaker 1: people out there are here and they're nonsense, so complete nonsense.
Speaker 1: But that snobbery, that elite snobbery, has moved from right
Speaker 1: to left. What do you think you couch that?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 11: you know, labor is not the old labor that used
Speaker 11: to represent the working class, and this march towards collecting
Speaker 11: working class seats just like the Republican movement. He is
Speaker 11: the same as here. One of the biggest issues I
Speaker 11: think with it is that the left doesn't understand why
Speaker 11: they don't get it. They look at Trump's campaign and
Speaker 11: they look at the movement as I think a lot
Speaker 11: of the left do here, and they really just don't
Speaker 11: understand and don't get what the issue is. And they
Speaker 11: keep driving with the same policies and the same movement,
Speaker 11: and they keep getting the same result. But you're right,
Speaker 11: it's a complete reversal now. And so the inner city
Speaker 11: kind of elite Champagne socialists are all gone left, and
Speaker 11: who are the working class and the outer suburbs left
Speaker 11: to support them?
Speaker 10: Right, Because if you have, if you have a political
Speaker 10: class that comes from that same terse, you educated upper
Speaker 10: middle class elite.
Speaker 9: Quite frankly, they've just never met these people. It's like
Speaker 9: rightful matter.
Speaker 10: Oh no, no, I mean she's never met at Trump supporter,
Speaker 10: let alone understood one like you.
Speaker 9: Just unless you.
Speaker 1: Live on the work they've they've come to, you know,
Speaker 1: fix the pool or you know, electricians.
Speaker 9: Them from across the bridge of them, and.
Speaker 1: They don't and they don't understand. Well, I don't understand
Speaker 1: how they can. They can't bring all of their tools
Speaker 1: to the job.
Speaker 10: And if you look at the if you look at
Speaker 10: the good labor guys, the labor right guys who are
Speaker 10: out there in Western City, they live with these people,
Speaker 10: they know them, they represent them. These are good people,
Speaker 10: and you'll notice that they're the ones who are doing
Speaker 10: you know, the most sensible someone like Jason Clair for example.
Speaker 10: But again they're the ones who are being attacked by
Speaker 10: the Muslim voice, the Muslim teals. Now, so again you
Speaker 10: have all these kind of elite either single issue or
Speaker 10: you know, and again the teals. What the teals are
Speaker 10: doing to liberals is moving the liberals to the working class,
Speaker 10: and they are appealing to those vites. I think Peter
Speaker 10: Dutton is now ahead in the blue Columndell.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about that here, because we have some
Speaker 1: Port News here. More bad news for the Labor government
Speaker 1: in the City Morning Herald today with the latest resolved
Speaker 1: political monitor pool showing that the Coalition has increased its
Speaker 1: lead in the primary vote to thirty eight percent. Labor
Speaker 1: is still stagnating at twenty eight percent. Now, everybody I
Speaker 1: talk to is saying that the cost of living is
Speaker 1: the number one thing, the number one thing. I mean, Claire,
Speaker 1: let's go to you on this yere, because it is
Speaker 1: this cost of living, the cost of putting food on
Speaker 1: the table, the kids and all of that. It seems
Speaker 1: to me, and I think a lot of people out there,
Speaker 1: Labor doesn't seem to get it. They don't seem to
Speaker 1: understand it. Then they don't seem to understand that shoveling
Speaker 1: all of this money into the economy is only going
Speaker 1: to make things worse.
Speaker 11: Yeah, at the end of the day that this research
Speaker 11: or this poll now has said that over fifty percent
Speaker 11: of people will be voting on the cost of living issue. Now,
Speaker 11: I don't think I always wondered or I always doubted
Speaker 11: that people would warm to Dutton as a person, and
Speaker 11: I don't think necessarily they are warming to him as
Speaker 11: a person. I think This is far more about what
Speaker 11: our Bo's not doing for them than necessarily a massive
Speaker 11: enthusiastic endorsement of Dutch himself. But when you can't put
Speaker 11: food on the table and you can't pay your rent
Speaker 11: at the end of the day, they're going to say,
Speaker 11: we just need to change. And that's that's the movement
Speaker 11: that will happen. They'll just say, we just need a change.
Speaker 11: We can't look ahead with economic doom for the next
Speaker 11: couple of years. We can't see where this is going,
Speaker 11: and economic JOm psychologically is just disastrous that will go
Speaker 11: through nationally and the movement will be just to switch
Speaker 11: to see if someone else can do better.
Speaker 1: And I mean, Joe, this is the thing that you know,
Speaker 1: you look at these numbers here and you think, well,
Speaker 1: after the voice, which was the big idea that Elbow had,
Speaker 1: it really feels like Labor kind of said, well, all right,
Speaker 1: the voice did it work? What else have we got?
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, well, let's just chuck a bunch
Speaker 1: of money around and hope that someone sticks and hope
Speaker 1: that this is okay.
Speaker 10: But I mean, really like, well, I suppose what it's
Speaker 10: done is, you know, just get rid of that big picture,
Speaker 10: you know, the vision thing, and just work on nuts
Speaker 10: and bolt stuff. And I have done some good stuff
Speaker 10: and it diditiness, health and education and housing in the territory.
Speaker 10: And then in terms of the cost of living stuff.
Speaker 10: You know, look, they've done the tax cuts, you know,
Speaker 10: minimum wages have increased, They've done the three hundred power bill.
Speaker 10: Now again, that does run the risk of being inflationary,
Speaker 10: and I would have.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Joe Jojo, I got to stop in it.
Speaker 1: Three hundred bucks on your power bill? How much has
Speaker 1: your power bill gone up in the last two years?
Speaker 9: I shut it to think.
Speaker 10: But the point being, it's three hundred dollars better than
Speaker 10: it would have been.
Speaker 9: It means that, you know, it would have been.
Speaker 1: Better if they weren't shoveling all of this money into
Speaker 1: making power extension renewables.
Speaker 11: Individually, it's not going to do anything, but on a
Speaker 11: national level of inflation, it's going to push inflation up.
Speaker 11: And that's the problem. And whether people see that and say, oh,
Speaker 11: that's great, thank you, I mean, I do think that
Speaker 11: people want a magic want and I do think that
Speaker 11: they just want the problem fixed.
Speaker 10: And that's right, and often the left thing they can
Speaker 10: do that, which is why the Greens say things like, oh,
Speaker 10: we'll just make it illegal for landlords to raise the
Speaker 10: rent and this will fix the rental crisis.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 10: So there is a tendency on the left to think
Speaker 10: that you know, you can you know, I think rich
Speaker 10: I have this great line about GoF Whitlam's frustration when
Speaker 10: the economy wouldn't do what he told it to.
Speaker 9: I think there is there is a bit of a
Speaker 9: problem there.
Speaker 10: And you don't understand what poor keating cause the sort
Speaker 10: of animal forces. You don't have that instinct as to
Speaker 10: how you can nudge.
Speaker 1: All those animal forces clear. You You know, you're a psychologist,
Speaker 1: your child an adolescent psychologist. But you would see a
Speaker 1: lot of families and so on in your work, just
Speaker 1: in very broad terms, what is the mood of the
Speaker 1: community that you were picking up through your practice? Are
Speaker 1: people nervous tents to present?
Speaker 11: I was gonna say, panicking, panicking? Panicking? I think that
Speaker 11: there are one rate rise away from really thinking we
Speaker 11: need to sell the family home, we need to move.
Speaker 11: In my experience, the families I'm seeing in middle class
Speaker 11: Australia are quitting extracurricular activities for kids. These are school holidays.
Speaker 11: At the moment, they're not going to the movies, they're
Speaker 11: not doing things. They're trying to stay at home, so
Speaker 11: they are tightening their belts. But that's what we what's
Speaker 11: what we need to happen, that's what the RBA.
Speaker 9: Wants to happen.
Speaker 11: And it's that tension between I mean, I think interest
Speaker 11: rates are probably still too low. I think we should have,
Speaker 11: you know, got a bit harder earlier and squashed this.
Speaker 11: But it's that tension between that versus the stimulus that
Speaker 11: Albany is trying to trying to put in there to
Speaker 11: make us all feel a bit better that he's listening,
Speaker 11: and that tensions there. But generally, speaking with families, I
Speaker 11: think it's panic. I think they're okay now, just but
Speaker 11: I don't think it could survive if it got any worse.
Speaker 10: I guess yeah, I'm like, I'm incredibly anxious about it,
Speaker 10: and I'm my income would be in the top, you know,
Speaker 10: three percent or something like that, and so you know,
Speaker 10: I just think, holy crap. You know, I remember what
Speaker 10: it's like being poor, with like like a stone in
Speaker 10: my stomach. I do not want to go back there.
Speaker 10: And again, to your point, about the demonization of Peter Dutton.
Speaker 10: This is I'll do a Simpson's reference for you. I
Speaker 10: think when Selma has to take Bart and Lisa to
Speaker 10: Krusty World, yes, and Marge, as you sure you won't
Speaker 10: mind going with Aunt Selma and Bart, Simpsons said to
Speaker 10: get to Crusty.
Speaker 9: World, ride with Satan himself. And this is why the
Speaker 9: left get it started.
Speaker 10: Wrong when I think that by demonizing someone like Peter Dotton,
Speaker 10: lie that Deamon is Donald Trump, the electric's gonna go.
Speaker 10: The electric doesn't height the electric. If anything, he told
Speaker 10: politicians equally thinks they're all live.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying, Joe Hildred, you're saying that Peter
Speaker 1: Dunton is at Selma. Yes, okay, well you'll be so
Speaker 1: So that's so that's a rit of defamation coming tomorrow
Speaker 1: for you, not for me anyway, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Stick with us. Joe and Claire are gonna be back
Speaker 1: with us the next bit of the show, So don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. A lot more to go into, particularly this
Speaker 1: whole idea. Do the Greens think they're gonna be the
Speaker 1: new Labor Party? I'd love to see that stick around.
Speaker 1: Paulburray Live after the break, Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 1: James Morrow here sitting in for Paul Murray live tonight.
Speaker 1: Got a great panel here on the set. Here, political commentator,
Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph columnist Mad about Town, Jack of All Pray
Speaker 1: Joe hilde Ran. Now I think we say I'm sorry, Joe,
Speaker 1: this is twenty twenty four. We say media sets worker, now,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. And child adolescent psychologist Claire Rowe. Now,
Speaker 1: let's keep talking about domestic politics here. I absolutely laughed
Speaker 1: when I saw this story. I felt like, I don't
Speaker 1: know why they were running it. I kind of felt
Speaker 1: he was free publicity for the Greens. But Green's leader
Speaker 1: Adam Bant has given a bizarre interview to The Australian,
Speaker 1: essentially declaring himself king of the Left. I've got a
Speaker 1: sort of Peter Griffin, sort of even my had here
Speaker 1: with a big sort of sheath across him. As if
Speaker 1: that's not a saun after title. He's described Labor as
Speaker 1: a sent to right party and has promised to replace
Speaker 1: him as the country's only social democratic alternative. Now, Joe,
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds on one level like he's being
Speaker 1: sort of threatening, but on another level, let's be really
Speaker 1: contentious here. Let's play with an idea that we were
Speaker 1: just talking about. Is there something you the idea that
Speaker 1: labor is actually really is now? Is set right?
Speaker 10: Ye?
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's represented, big buddy, upper middle class certainly. Dare
Speaker 1: I even say, dare I even say the illiberal.
Speaker 10: Interests I've read that? I thought, thank you, Adam Band.
Speaker 10: My work here has done no what I want labor
Speaker 10: to be and what it should be, and what I
Speaker 10: think they're trying to is the party of mainstream working Australia.
Speaker 10: It has sensible mainstream values, it's tolerant of people of religion,
Speaker 10: and it represents hard working people, people who are actually struggling
Speaker 10: to make ends meet, rather than appealing to the whims
Speaker 10: and whimsies of upper middle class indulgent Marxists and virtue
Speaker 10: signaling identity politarians like the Greens, for example. So the
Speaker 10: problem is the noisy Left, as we have said before,
Speaker 10: have become that, and these the Twitter left, if you
Speaker 10: want to call them that, the inner city left, the
Speaker 10: sort of people who are having their vigils at Sydney University,
Speaker 10: the sort of people, quite frankly, who even get to
Speaker 10: Sydney University. I was one of them when I was
Speaker 10: at Melbourne University. I know how odious we are. I'm
Speaker 10: glad we grew.
Speaker 9: I grew out of it. Adam bat This is not new.
Speaker 10: This is not just him getting drunk and calling the
Speaker 10: Australian and saying, boy, I've got an excluss for you.
Speaker 10: This is very much part of their plan. They've been
Speaker 10: saying it for a long long time. It is, potentially,
Speaker 10: if labor is not smart, an existential threat to labor,
Speaker 10: as much as the teals are an existential threat to
Speaker 10: the coalition.
Speaker 9: What it means, however, is it could if played right,
Speaker 9: it is doing labor of favor.
Speaker 10: In other words, it is carving out all those really
Speaker 10: annoying greenies, the extinction rebellion mob. If once they win
Speaker 10: those seats and start to sandbag those seats, labor doesn't
Speaker 10: have to worry about them anymore, which means that labor
Speaker 10: can shift to the right on social issues, on economic
Speaker 10: issues or whatever and focus more.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, fine, that's all very good, just to me
Speaker 1: so that that labors will do it, you know, great stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, rah rah labor. It is it labor wonderful,
Speaker 1: you know. But let's put but clear. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: let's go back to the real fundamental question here, which
Speaker 1: is the Greeds, you know, and the idea of them
Speaker 1: being a mainstream party. Now don't have their platform in
Speaker 1: front of me, but I think an awful lot of
Speaker 1: things that they tend to stand for. You know, well,
Speaker 1: let's just say pro Palastinian, but that's a kind of
Speaker 1: a very nice code word for saying like, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole sort of weird queers or Palestine. Hey, isn't
Speaker 1: hamas wonderful kind of thing? You know, all sorts of
Speaker 1: other crazy loopy things, you know, all of the energy stuff,
Speaker 1: all of the transport stuff, all of the all of
Speaker 1: the you know, stuff that I would think would concern
Speaker 1: an awful lot of our viewers tonight, and probably a
Speaker 1: lot of your page drug legalizing, you know, all drugs,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. About the only thing the Greens
Speaker 1: seem to stand for that would be of benefit to
Speaker 1: up middle class folk like yourself would be, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to ban any development near anybody in any sort
Speaker 1: of you know, nice inner West sort of neighborhood of
Speaker 1: Claire Row. Obviously, this sort of stuff, I mean, this
Speaker 1: kind of really be serious that's delusional.
Speaker 11: I mean, it's completely delusional that they are sent left
Speaker 11: party in it their center left, who's hard left? I mean,
Speaker 11: doesn't get worse than that. I'm not sure, but I
Speaker 11: mean I think that the only people who think that
Speaker 11: they're center left, there's a small pocket of elite kind
Speaker 11: of inner city people. And from what I see, unfortunately
Speaker 11: and dangerously sorry and from what I see it dangerously,
Speaker 11: it's a lot of young people. When I talk to
Speaker 11: a lot of young people, they think that the Greens
Speaker 11: are very sensible. And I think that is this because
Speaker 11: they don't have any lived experience, or they don't have
Speaker 11: any knowledge thinks about education system of hard socialist regimes,
Speaker 11: or is it just because I think Adam Bann comes
Speaker 11: out with these really lofty statements that sound really, as
Speaker 11: a twenty year old, really lovely.
Speaker 9: So r if you don't know.
Speaker 10: How the economy works, you don't know that forcing you know,
Speaker 10: landlords to not put up that's wrap is not going
Speaker 10: to have a terrible impact on housing supply.
Speaker 9: Courts say oh yeah, no, they should just make my
Speaker 9: landlord not.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I think that that will be their base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that's it was like all these
Speaker 1: kids that haven't got paycheck yet and has seen you know,
Speaker 1: all those big lines where they take out all of
Speaker 1: the texts. Hey Claire, well I got you here. I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about another yet another one
Speaker 1: of these social media articles. Another article in the Telegraph
Speaker 1: today talking about raising the minimum age limit for social
Speaker 1: media to stop kids, in this case, developing anxiety. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm a lot older than sixteen and know that you
Speaker 1: can get a fair bit of anxiety just by hanging
Speaker 1: out on the phone. Claire, talk to us a bit
Speaker 1: more about this, especially though, like I remember being a
Speaker 1: kid and being a kid, you know where I grew up.
Speaker 1: Drinking age was twenty one, and guess what, we still
Speaker 1: kind of managed a way around it. How do you
Speaker 1: actually propose, how do they actually propose to you? That
Speaker 1: is it realistic? And my concern is that all of
Speaker 1: these sort of limits are giving the parents an easy
Speaker 1: way out.
Speaker 11: Well, it's giving parents permission and confidence to say no,
Speaker 11: you can't have it. And that's why I've come around
Speaker 11: to supporting it. I didn't use to because I don't
Speaker 11: think government should be our our lives and telling us
Speaker 11: how to parent. But now I think it's that disastrous
Speaker 11: that parents aren't taking their responsibility. Kids will get around it.
Speaker 11: Some kids will still have social media at twelve thirteen,
Speaker 11: but there will be a group of kids there in
Speaker 11: the classroom who don't because mum and dad can say
Speaker 11: it's against the law. I actually would go further and
Speaker 11: say it's just smartphones under sixteen, but I'm like really harsh,
Speaker 11: so I would actually say it's like carrying around the
Speaker 11: Internet in your pocket under sixteen.
Speaker 1: No, go yeah, real quick, your parent, what do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Any chance, any chance? Any excuse?
Speaker 10: I just if I run out of all other ideas,
Speaker 10: I just tell my kids, I'm calling the police and
Speaker 10: they're going to come around and arrest them.
Speaker 9: You're going to jail.
Speaker 10: And that's the only thing that actually makes them do
Speaker 10: what they're told. So if you can say I've got
Speaker 10: the law on your side, fantastic.
Speaker 1: I like it. Everybody out there. Parenting advice from Jill
Speaker 1: Hildebrand terrify your kids. We have not got the society,
Speaker 1: we have not got the endorsement from the child psychologist here.
Speaker 1: But we'll maybe talk about that some other time. Now,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, because next up, well, maybe saying nothing
Speaker 1: is better than seeing anything at all. As MSNBC's anti
Speaker 1: Trump morning show has been pulled off the air. Can
Speaker 1: you feel the winning? Are you tired of winning yet?
Speaker 1: After the break? Welcome back to Paul Murray Live. James
Speaker 1: Borrow here for the week, sitting in for Paul. Now
Speaker 1: let's get the debate going again. Joining me now is
Speaker 1: Victorian Libertarian Party MP David Limbrick and media writer for
Speaker 1: The Australian Sophie Ellsworth. Guys, thanks so much for coming
Speaker 1: on tonight, so much talking about Sophie. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about this first story here because I
Speaker 1: reckon this is such a fascinating media story. Now, there's
Speaker 1: a show in the United States. It's on MSNBC. Apparently
Speaker 1: it's the Biden Whitehouse's favorite show. It's called Morning Joe.
Speaker 1: It's hosted by Joe Scarborough and they go on with
Speaker 1: some of the wackiest, hardest left talking points. It's basically
Speaker 1: like the hard left talking point the day go out
Speaker 1: through this show. They've pulled it off the air now
Speaker 1: in the wake of the Donald Trump assassination attempt, and
Speaker 1: I am fascinated by this that the executives at MSNBC
Speaker 1: did not trust their host or their guests not to
Speaker 1: say something really classless and in bad taste. Is that
Speaker 1: an indicator of where the left media is in America
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 5: Well, James, you know this better than anyone who consumes
Speaker 5: this American news and politics more than most of us.
Speaker 5: But this is a real concern that one of their
Speaker 5: major news networks does not trust their own people in
Speaker 5: the wake of this assassination attack on Donald Trump, an
Speaker 5: attempt to assassinate him. This is just unbelievable that the
Speaker 5: biggest event of this year in US politics, I would argue,
Speaker 5: I think many would say that is the case that
Speaker 5: this show doesn't have the faith in their hosts and
Speaker 5: they guess to speak fairly diplomatically, respectfully about Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: And I think that's a very sad state of affairs
Speaker 5: for our media landscape when it stoops to this level
Speaker 5: that we can't even get people on air because we're
Speaker 5: worried what they will say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, David, I want to continue on this theme here,
Speaker 1: because of course, we did see that very scary attempt
Speaker 1: to murder the presidential candidate, Donald Trump and potential future
Speaker 1: president and really changed the course of American and world history.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of concern in Australia too, that MPs
Speaker 1: might be under threat. Now we had Anthony Albanisi speak
Speaker 1: I think pretty eloquently the other day about the way
Speaker 1: Australia is. We don't have those security bubbles. But there's
Speaker 1: also been calls for a review into the security arrangements
Speaker 1: for MPs. As an MP, yourself, state MP, do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're under threat? Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: need more security? Do you think that we've got it right?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 12: Well, look, I mean, you know, I don't personally feel
Speaker 12: under threat because everyone likes libertarians. But what's been happening
Speaker 12: with this, the way that moral posturing from the left
Speaker 12: primarily has been happening. Everything is an existential threat. So
Speaker 12: if you think about global warming, you know, if we
Speaker 12: don't do it, they say everyone's going to die. If
Speaker 12: we think about Palestine, if you don't agree with them,
Speaker 12: we're going to be committing genocide. If you think about
Speaker 12: you know, all of these other issues, if you don't
Speaker 12: agree with it, then the world's going to end. It's
Speaker 12: only a matter of time before someone does the moral
Speaker 12: calculations on that and thinks that violence is the answer.
Speaker 12: Violence isn't the answer, and we need to pull back
Speaker 12: on this stuff and say, hang on, the world isn't
Speaker 12: going to end, and maybe we need to be more
Speaker 12: considered about these things.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I get your points there about the world panic,
Speaker 1: and we do live in an age when everything gets
Speaker 1: taken up to eleven on a moral panic level. But
Speaker 1: Sylvie Ellsworth, though these security arrangements apparently they have not
Speaker 1: been really reviewed since the nineteen seventies. Is there any
Speaker 1: harm and at least looking and saying, you know, have
Speaker 1: we got the settings right? They haven't been changed in
Speaker 1: forty or fifty years.
Speaker 5: Well, I think so, James. I don't see what harm
Speaker 5: it can cause. I mean, in politics here and overseas,
Speaker 5: we've seen some very serious threats. Obviously with the US
Speaker 5: president that was shocking situation. Sorry, the former US president
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, that was a shocking situation. We saw a
Speaker 5: tax here on our MP's offices, including my local MP,
Speaker 5: Labor MP Jewish Man Josh Burns, which was shocking. You know,
Speaker 5: I'll drive past his office most days and it's all
Speaker 5: boarded up. You can't even see his office now, it's
Speaker 5: behind boards. I mean, that's how grimid he is here.
Speaker 5: In Melbourne. So I really don't see what harm it
Speaker 5: can be to review these type of arrangements. But as
Speaker 5: David said, I mean he's a politician himself, he doesn't
Speaker 5: personally feel threatened, but I think there may be some
Speaker 5: politicians out there who do feel threatened, and that's a
Speaker 5: very serious situation that we should take steps to try
Speaker 5: and rectify.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's exactly right, and it is interesting where
Speaker 1: some of those threats come. But you know, other issues
Speaker 1: too occupying us. And one other thing that keeps coming
Speaker 1: up is the cost of living in inflation. My paper,
Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph has had a new report here which
Speaker 1: has found that the basic cost of groceries, so not
Speaker 1: the inflation rate, the official inflation rate, but the basic
Speaker 1: cost of groceries has served by more than fourteen percent
Speaker 1: since last year, Sophie. This means that most Australia's supermarke
Speaker 1: runs have gone up by about a third since the
Speaker 1: year before that. Olive oil, for example seven ninety nine
Speaker 1: last May now fourteen dollars. Who on Earth can for
Speaker 1: the stuff? Solfy.
Speaker 5: Well, it's really hard, James. As we all know, the
Speaker 5: cost of living pressures are real. We've all feeled them.
Speaker 5: Everyone who goes into the supermarket has noticed. I doubt
Speaker 5: they'd be a single person in this country who hasn't
Speaker 5: noticed that prices are going up. And I think people
Speaker 5: just have to be really cautious of what they are
Speaker 5: throwing in their trolleys, paying attention to prices, reading things
Speaker 5: really basic stuff, but the unit pricing costs, and looking
Speaker 5: at no name labels.
Speaker 11: But sure, we just have to really watch our.
Speaker 5: Pennies because everything is going up, and it seems that
Speaker 5: some of these things are going up far too quickly.
Speaker 1: They are going up far too quickly. But David Librick,
Speaker 1: you know you just said before, you're a libertarian, so
Speaker 1: you've got a very specific economic agenda. What should be
Speaker 1: being done from that point of view to bring down
Speaker 1: the ridiculous cost of getting a sack of groceries home.
Speaker 12: I think that many people point the finger at supermarkets
Speaker 12: because that's the interface where most people you see prices.
Speaker 12: But I think it's wrong to point the finger at
Speaker 12: the end thing in the price chain. My understanding was,
Speaker 12: last time I looked at Woolworth's net profit margins are
Speaker 12: about two and a half percent. GST alone is ten
Speaker 12: percent on top of that, you've got diesel xise, you've
Speaker 12: got payroll tax, you've got land tax, you've got stamp duty,
Speaker 12: and then you've got the government borrowing, printing and pumping
Speaker 12: cracklads of money into the economy. We're going to have
Speaker 12: to lich is causing inflation.
Speaker 1: So cut taxes, cut spending, cut pumping money into the economy.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're saying there. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: Sophie Ellsworth, David Librick for your time. Really appreciate here
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