WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 16 July 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.120 From the Sky News Center. 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.200 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.400 Thank you Pricey and hey they're sports fans. Great to 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.040 have your company tonight. James Morrow here filling in for 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.480 Paul and Pal Murray Live. Got another massive show for you. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.360 And along with all the action at the Republican National Convention, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.520 I've got some new footage I'm pretty sure you haven't 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.920 seen yet of Joe Biden. That'll make you wonder why 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.480 they let him out in front of the cameras at all. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.760 And we're gonna have plenty of action right here the 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.520 man Cave with all your Tuesday Night favorites. Now, let's 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.200 head to Milwaukee for the Republican National Convention. I mean, hey, 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.440 that's the only reason to go to Milwaukee anyway, right Sorry, sorry, sorry, 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.560 I kid. If you're watching this in Milwaukee, please send 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:53.080 your complaints to me care of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Ultimo. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.320 So anyway, the RNC. A couple of big things. One, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:03.560 we saw Donald Trump earlier today for the first time 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.200 since an assassin's bullet miraculously, and I don't use that 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.480 word lightly clipped only his ear while he was speaking 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:17.520 in Pennsylvania over the weekend. But that's not all. We 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.600 also heard the news, the long awaited news of who 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.520 Trump's vice presidential pick would be, and that was none 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.280 other than Ohio Senator J. D. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:28.240 Vance. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:30.959 Let's have a look at the moment the news hit 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.679 the floor and Trump walked in with his pick, my. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:40.160 Honor to nominate Ohio Senator jd Vance for the office 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.640 a Vice President of the United States of America. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.920 Well, let me throw my cards on the table. I 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.360 think this was a great choice. Look look at the 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.160 other options he had. Marco Rubio was a tryhard, had 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.600 heard of Doug Bergham, and Christy Nome had shot a dog, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.200 so they're all out. But even beyond this little process 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.480 of elimination, jd Vance is a spectacular choice. And let 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:17.720 me explain why. You see, right now, the normal so 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.079 called expert political advice for Trump would be telling him 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.720 that he should have gone for somebody who was a 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:30.239 so called moderate, somebody who could broaden the base, somebody 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.120 who could go out there and reassure nervous suburban voters 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.160 that Trump is it nuts that the VP will be 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.880 there to moderate him and the administration. You know, basically, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.720 the idea would be that the VP pick would be 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.800 someone to keep the White House plugged into the blob 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.520 or the swamp or the deep state, or whatever you 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.640 want to call that vast freedom killing bureaucracy that Trump 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.440 has vowed to tear down. But as his his want, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.320 Trump went the other way from the experts. And JD. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:09.400 Vance is a serious conservative. He's spoken at National Conservatism conferences. That's, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.400 by the way, a movement you are going to hear 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.800 a lot more about in the coming weeks, trust me, 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:19.000 and he has. JD. Vance has an incredible resume that 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.880 has taken him from a childhood in small, absolutely in 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.600 a small, absolutely dirt poor town in southern Ohio, to 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:31.000 the Marines, to Iraq, to Yale Law School, to venture capital, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.600 and then to the Senate. This is the American dream. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:36.840 He wrote a book about it, if they made a 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.080 movie of two called Hillbilly Elogy. Now politically again. Vance 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.080 is a conservative, a conservative populist, and a skeptic on 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.760 the sort of free trade that got in the local 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.400 economy where he grew up. And he equally detests the 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.480 sort of neo conservative foreign policy that he saw when 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.680 he was in Iraq. He signed up, by the way 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.200 for that after nine to eleven for what was the 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:06.760 original so called Forever War. Now for Trump, Strategically picking 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.119 this guy enables a few things to happen. Number One, 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:16.960 it means that Vance can be the attack dog and 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.720 Trump can run a much more positive campaign. Think John 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.880 Howard and Peter Costello by the way, in Parliament if 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.840 you want an Australian analogy there. But number two, it 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:33.800 also means that assuming the Trump Dvance ticket gets into office, well, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.400 it means that Democrats in Congress, or prosecutors with a 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.960 grudge or whomever else will be less likely to try 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.680 and impeach Trump and get him out of office. You see, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.640 Vance in the number two seat acts as an insurance policy. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.200 If you take down Trump, you'll get the same but 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.000 worse and in the body of someone who is right 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.960 now only thirty nine years old. That age, by the way, 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.080 is fascinating too. I mean, the torch is really passing 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:09.840 here and it shows the huge generational difference here. Remember 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:16.640 Vance served in the Iraq War. Biden voted for it. Now. Thirdly, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:22.920 this pick gives the Republicans a real narrative of economic opportunity. Again, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.440 Vance made it out of a dirt poor former factory 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:32.720 town to the heights of American success. The Trump narrative 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:37.080 will be, let's make this a country where this is 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.640 possible again. And all of this now brings us to 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.520 the other side of the equation, Joe Biden and the Democrats, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.320 and of course much of the media, which are now 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.760 in absolutely full freak out mode. By the way, speaking 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.520 of the media, I have to show you this fantastic 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.600 moment from the floor of the convention today. Check out 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:05.480 what happened here when some hapless MSNBC correspondent build up 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.800 young Donald Trump Junior at the convention. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.040 If the media actually starts being an honest broker talking 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.279 about the things that he did, the prosperity he brought, 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.720 the peace deals that he signed around the world, rather 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.560 than the disaster that we're living right now, I think 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.320 you do everyone in the country big favor. I know 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.800 imigrations at Bortan Jim, I covered the family separation crisis closely. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.120 When we continue to see policies like separating five thousand 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.960 children deliberately from their parents, you mean the Obama administration 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.559 and which you know they didn't do that, sir, Sure 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.359 will there be a second family separation policy? It's MSDNC, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.200 So I expect nothing less from you clowns, even today, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.920 even forty eight hours later. You couldn't wait. You couldn't 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.680 wait with your lives and with your nonsense. So just 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:45.440 get out of here. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.600 And that, my friends, is how it is done. Meanwhile, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.080 this is how it's not done. Look, last night, you 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.800 recall I talked about how the Democrats have a real 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.600 fundamental problem now in the wake of the attempted assassination 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.840 of Donald Trump. On the one hand, they say they 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.960 want to lower the temperature of discourse. We shall be 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.640 nice and kind, as Joe Biden said from the Oval 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.640 Office yesterday. On the other hand, if the Democrats and 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.600 the left really are serious about lowering the temperature, well 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:23.200 that means they can't keep calling Trump the second coming 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:28.240 of Adolf Hitler, who will end American democracy. Now, this, 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.640 of course has put the Democrats in a real tight spot, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.880 because if it's true that they really believe that Donald Trump, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.200 of all people, will suddenly end the two hundred and 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:44.720 forty year American experiment in small r republican governance, that 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.520 all the checks and balances and courts and constraints can 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:53.080 be undone by one man. Well, sorry, Democrats, but it 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.920 doesn't sound like you've got a lot of faith in 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:01.400 the American system you claim to treasure and venerate. But meanwhile, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.320 if the Democrats have to stop talking now about how 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:09.880 Donald Trump is an absolutely existential and presumably must be 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.000 eliminated threat to American democracy, well then they'll have nothing 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.880 left to sell to voters. But fear Now, guess what 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.480 the Great White House brains trust Joe Biden, Kamala Harris Creen, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.640 Jean Pierre, the chiefs of staff, all of them. Though 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:33.400 they've put on their thinking caps, they've gone into solution mode, 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.920 and they've come up with this. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.320 The view is that Trump and the maga Republican agenda 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.640 is a threat to democracy. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:42.959 So how do you get. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.240 That message across while bringing the temperature down? 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.400 How is that phrasing going to be replaced? 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.320 Is it going to be replaced? 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.880 Well, look, what I can say is this, we have 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.199 our differences, and it's okay to have our differences, and 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.760 it is okay to speak to someone's record, to speak 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.400 to some one's character. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.079 Well as creag Jean Pierre would say. What I can 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.120 say is this, it sounds to me like that's code 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.959 for We're just going to keep calling the other guys 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:17.320 fascists because hey, we're the good guys, right, We're Democrats. Now, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:23.319 the Biden White House simply can't be fascists. They'd never 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.400 put their leader on a blood red set flanked with 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:32.280 flags and military people to denounce the opposition is beyond 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:32.880 the pale. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:38.720 Would they Donald Trump and the Maga Republicans represented extremism 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.679 that threatens the very foundations of our republic. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.960 Of course, it would never do anything like that, and 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.640 that certainly didn't look at all fascist to me really. Anyway, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.960 that was just a couple of years ago, and of 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.120 course the message of the Biden White House is still 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.520 the same, Joe Biden, the Democrats good Trump and the 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:05.680 Republic gets bad. But the messenger, Joe Biden, well, he's 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.720 a little less slick than he was back then because 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.199 while the GOP was having its Milwaukee love in Gosh, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:13.880 I guess that's the first time of that phrase has 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.559 ever been used before. The President was giving an interview 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.640 to NBC Let's have a look. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.480 You called your opponent an existential threat on a call 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.600 a week ago. You said it's time to put Trump 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.480 in the bullseye. There's some dispute about the context, but 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.959 I think you appreciated cross here. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:39.120 Oh he didn't say cross hair, so okay, much better that. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.720 Joe Biden was also asked if he'd spoken to Kimberly Cheatle, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.400 the director of the Secret Service, and he appeared to 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:50.640 not know that she. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:51.920 Is a she. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.720 Is it acceptable you have still not heard, at least 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:56.520 publicly from the. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.600 Secret Service director. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.400 I've heard, John, Have you heard from her publicly? 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.520 Public Crafts sat down in a situation downstairs. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.360 I've heard from him. He said, Well, you know, I 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.840 got to say, this is a common problem for Democrats 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.280 these days, not knowing what is a woman I suppose, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:18.360 And then there was. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.200 This traumas said, he's giving you a chance to redeem yourself, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.160 basically the idea of engaging in another debate. 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:26.480 We're gonna have another debate. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.640 Yeah, you're gonna have one in September. That's on the books. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.320 Would you be open to doing one in the next 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:31.920 few weeks. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.880 I'm going to debate him when we agreed to debate, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:36.920 and I'm going to rebate him in September. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.120 But if if the opportunity came up to do one 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.160 between now and then, is there is there a sense 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:44.480 of wanting to get back on the horse. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.400 I'm on the horse. Where are you, man? I've done 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:53.680 twenty two major events and thousands of people, overwhelming crowds, 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.440 a lot happening. I'm on the horse. What I'm doing 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.000 is going out and demonstrating Hmerican people that I've command 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.640 of all my faculties, that I don't need notes, I 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.240 don't need telephone. I can go out and answer any 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.000 questions at all. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:15.120 As Bart Simpson might say, yes, Joe, overwhelming crowds in 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:21.280 your mind, Look when you're explaining you're losing, and when 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.320 you're having to explain to the American people that as 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:29.840 president you really are still compassmentis and up to the job. Well, 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.120 forgive me for saying this, but just maybe you aren't. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.960 Now anyway, let's bring in Scott News senior political reporter 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:43.920 Trudy McIntosh, who joins us direct from Washington, d C. Trudy, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.200 good evening to you. Thank you so much for coming 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.640 on Paul Murray Live tonight now from Washington. All the 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.920 Republicans are in Milwaukee. I guess the Democrats are still 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.880 in DC. What has been the reaction to Trump's selection 0:12:55.960 --> 0:13:00.199 of JD. Vance as running mate. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.360 Jdvan's a fascinating pick here, I think emblematic though of 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:07.560 the modern Republican story, the fact that he was never 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.280 Trumper back in twenty sixteen, goes on to become Donald 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.160 Trump's running mate this time around. We're already seeing these 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.800 clips James running on repeat on morning television here in 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.440 America of what he said about Donald Trump back in 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.120 twenty sixteen, that he like in Donald Trump to Hitler, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.920 that he even mused at one point about potentially voting 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.920 for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. Ultimately, though Republicans don't 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.160 believe this is going to hurt JD. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:33.559 Vance. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.400 He's had a real transformation since that point. What we've 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.360 seen many Republicans do. Donald Trump is now the Republican Party, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.360 and JD. Bans is a fully signed up member to that, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.720 a part of the Mega Mega brand. I should say, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:53.000 Donald Trump's eldest sons apparently quite instrumental in convincing their 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.080 father to pick JD. Vance for this spot on the ticket. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.839 I think fascinating as you were saying, James, that they 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.920 didn't Donald Trump didn't feel the need to go with 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.840 essentially like a token pick. A token woman to try 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.679 and win over the woman vote an African American candidate either, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.720 to try and shore up that support. He feels pretty 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.920 assured in his own position, picking JD Vans as a result. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.079 Yeah, And I mean this is an interesting point do 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.760 you make that they're trying to push this idea that well, 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.520 he used to be against Trump and now he's for 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.920 Trump to the point where he's his VP pick. But 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.080 you know, if all of the voters that are up 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.760 for grabs right now are the swing voters, the Republicans 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.080 are all locked in hard behind Trump. I mean, you're 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:32.800 kind of saying to a swing voter, what you're not 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.320 allowed to change your mind. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.320 Exactly. And also that's the very point of what Republicans 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.080 are trying to do here, flip people who voted for 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.480 Joe Biden last time, convince them that to vote for 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.040 Donald Trump this time around. I do think there's actually 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.560 some benefit in picking someone who hasn't always been on 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.640 board with Donald Trump, and there's so many Republicans who've 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.640 changed their mind on him. Think of Nicki Hayley. She 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.920 fought against him in the campaign primaries for some time. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.520 She's now going to be invited to speak today in 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.080 Milwaukee at the R and C Convention. So even some 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.360 of the biggest Trump haters can have a change of heart. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.080 Now. Truly, Washington, DC is about as democrat as town 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.520 as you can get. But is there any sense that 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.600 this assassination attempt on the weekend has started to change 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.080 anybody in that sort of area's mind. Are you seeing 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.600 anybody start to speak more positively about Trump? What's the 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.400 mood on the streets of America right now? 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.640 Well, I think there's obviously a lot of sympathy for 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.920 what was an incredibly shocking event to play out on 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.040 live television, the fact that Donald Trump was only one 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.440 slight head tilt away from being killed on the spot 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.160 there at that rally in Pennsylvania. Initially we saw Democrats, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.520 you know, talking about turning the temperature down, and we 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.560 need to elevate the debate and ensure there's unity. I'm 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.760 listening to Democrats this morning, though they say it's still 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.840 fine to call out what Trump has done, It's still 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.240 fine to call him a threat to democracy. So I 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.400 think some of that initial toning down one of the 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.520 rhetoric will quickly evaporate as we get closer to November, and. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.680 There's been some talk in some media out let's that 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.920 the Democrats are basically despairing right now, that they think 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.040 they're absolutely going to hit the wall when it comes 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.000 election time in November on November five. Are you picking 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.920 up any of that sense or do Democrats still have 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.640 some fight in them? Well? 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.400 I think they've got to try and fight to the end, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.600 don't they. They can't give up. And Joe Biden certainly 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.600 isn't giving up. He's back on the campaign trail proper today. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.160 He's in Nevada. But that whole conversation that had dominated 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.240 for that Fortnight since the disaster risk debate has shifted 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.720 for Joe Biden. That's a good thing, he says, here's 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.280 one thousand percent committed to remaining in the race. But 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.000 there's still clearly issues with Joe Biden's fitness for office, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.040 and Democrats haven't privately changed their mind about them that 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.440 but the fact we have not seen people publicly call 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.240 for it. I also note this morning Democrats are trying 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.800 to speed up this virtual role call process ahead of 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.720 their convention in five weeks. The New York Times reporting 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.200 they want that done in the fort By doing that 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.320 and locking it in. It makes it so much harder 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.080 for Joe Biden to not be the candidate. It seems 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.600 like that's where we're heading, with Joe Biden essentially trying 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.359 to run down the clock here to ensure that he 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.760 can remain on the top of the ticket. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.280 Well, Truy macint Senior political reporter, I don't know who 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.560 would want to replace Joe Biden at this point. It 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.199 seems like a poisoned chalice. Thank you so much for 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.919 your time. Now I want to bring in our panel tonight. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.360 I'm joined here by Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:33.920 child and adolescent psychologist Claire Row. Guys, thank you so much. Wow, boy, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.080 what are we going to talk about? There's been so 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:43.520 little news in the last two days. You know, it's like, yo, gosh, Joe, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.040 surely there's a work council we could talk about or 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:47.800 something like that. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:53.960 That's right, Yeah, don't worries accountable band Christmas holidays, but yeah, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.480 it's it's it's extraordinary scenes. I think I'm not sure 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.560 what your correspondent said, but we are now getting to 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.440 the point where Joe Biden, having refused to take one 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.160 for the team, a week ago has now been put 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.800 in the position of forcibly taking one for the team, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.160 namely to go and basically get pummeled. He's just he's 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.240 basically now just an electoral punching bag, and his service 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.320 to the Democrats and the community will be to go 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.960 out there and lose so that whoever is the next 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.800 hope of the Democrats doesn't get handed to hospital pass 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.800 and become spoiled goods. And as to the JD Vance, 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.240 where's the Democrats? JD Vance? You know, where is you know? 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.320 Is it beto ' rourke or is it you know, like, 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.560 why have the Democrats. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:37.119 Not Beato Rourke? 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:42.960 I'm sorry, that's not a bad. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.800 Peat, you know. And again I'm not sure for America. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.800 I'm not sure Republicans voters or swinging voters in the 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.399 Midwest are prepared to swing behind a gay president. But 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:51.040 Pete Butter. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.240 I don't think the problem of Joe with Pete butdhaj 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.520 Edge is that he's gay. I think the problem with 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.440 Pete butdhaj Jedge is that he's done such a lousy 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.359 job as Secretary of transportee that Americans know who the 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.520 Secretary of Transportation is. But Claire you. 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.840 Could have the best candidate there and you could tap 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.000 them on the shoulder now and I would say absolutely, 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:10.360 that's right. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.400 Kamala Harris, No, why not, Michelle? Which are you thinking? 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.600 I've got to I. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.760 Think the I think the analogy is here. This is 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.320 the fort sensible candidate and they're just sending him out 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.840 to be sensible. But the yes. But Claire, I want 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.439 to ask you, though, this is a really interesting thing 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:33.159 because JD. Evance is thirty nine years old, so you 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:33.600 know in. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.280 Terms of there you go, so don't. 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:38.440 Look anywhere near as good as you. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.280 And so so with that well as a thirty nine 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.520 year old yourself, and you can tell us about this, 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:49.919 what is the this sort of psychology of younger voters? 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.040 Do you think that this is now one of these moments, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.080 because if you look at it, Kamala Harris fifty nine, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.399 Donald Trump seventy eight or seventy nine, Joe Biden a 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.280 very old eighty one, and I mean that's an eighty 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.960 one that he's feeling every single one of those years. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.000 Where do you think this goes here? Do you think 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.679 the Republicans have got a first mover advantage on younger 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.119 voters even though younger voters may theoretically be more left 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:18.439 wing with that, they're going to say, you know what, 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.880 these guys, they're kind of representing us. We see one 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.560 of our people up there now. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:28.119 Absolutely, I think it was an ingenious choice. I think 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.920 Trump is a storyteller. And what a story. I mean, 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.640 this is like a Rags to Rich's American playbook story. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.680 And he's got everything going for him. He's young, he's energetic, 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:45.080 he's enthusiastic, he's in stark contrast contrast to obviously Biden Harris. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.639 And I think he's got the you know, given the 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.520 marine connection and the service, he's got the veteran connection. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.760 I think, as you said before the fact that he 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.560 didn't endorse in twenty sixteen, they can use he's extremely 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.919 articulate and if you can articulate that to that Middle 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.680 America to say, you know, I didn't like Trump either, 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.760 come with me. I changed my mind. I think it's, 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.760 you know, an ingenious, bold choice, but a very good 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:10.439 one by Trump. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.760 And the thing is Joe too, jd Vance is really 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.320 he's a you know, he's was a long very active 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.880 Twitter now ex user of he is really current with 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.920 a lot of these sort of new and interesting streams 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.679 and conservative thought national conservatism, which I mentioned before in 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:32.000 my editorial, Does this represent kind of a new evolution 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.440 of conservative and Republican thought beyond because there have been 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.480 this sort of tension between the neo Khans and the 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.159 Libertarians and these different groups, it feels to me like 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:42.320 there's something new coming through. 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.800 I completely agree with you, and I think the thing 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.800 that strikes me most about Jada Vance is that he 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.359 is someone who I think has been appalled by the 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:55.800 snobbery and elitism that has overtaken the left in the West. 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.840 And he's comes from a very working class background but 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.640 went to got to an Ivy League university. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.720 He would have experienced firsthand just how up their own 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.600 they are. Obviously work in business as well. 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.480 He's got written a book, and it reminds me a 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.480 lot of myself, quite frankly. I mean, I grew up 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.439 and Dan and you know, but you do. 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:16.960 You're right, and that's right. 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.480 And I was a very active Twitter user and no longer. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:24.040 And I think that what I think turned him into 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.639 a Republican and Republican candidate is the same thing that 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.160