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Speaker 1: Approache, production, d photo racking, don't try and make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: As I got out of juve and decided that I

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Speaker 2: was going to level up and started moving and shaking.

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Speaker 2: I then went on a seven, probably about seven eight

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Speaker 2: year journey of you know, trying to take over my area,

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Speaker 2: and which I did a pretty good job of. You know,

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Speaker 2: whatever I've done in life, whether it was sports as

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Speaker 2: a kid because Mum put me in a bunch of sports,

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Speaker 2: whether it was punching on at school, you know and

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Speaker 2: becoming the popular kid, whether it was being the cool

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Speaker 2: kid in the streets, or whether it was being a

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Speaker 2: shot call if you want to say, in your area,

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Speaker 2: you know, someone that makes makes some moves and it

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Speaker 2: makes things happen for the streets, which is negative. I

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Speaker 2: have to put that in there. But yeah, I am

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Speaker 2: of succeeded. So in saying that, I succeeded, and so

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Speaker 2: I was very successful, but I ended up catching a case.

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Speaker 2: So what happened then was out of town Biuance got

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Speaker 2: approached by a cuple undercover ladies that were walked up,

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Speaker 2: you know, with their lollipops, tending there off their dick,

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Speaker 2: and that turned there off their head. Going, ah, can

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Speaker 2: we get some? And I think over a two month

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Speaker 2: period he ended up selling them in separate batches, so

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Speaker 2: not all at once, but in a two month period

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Speaker 2: of them regularly seeing him and having his phone number

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Speaker 2: and catching up with him. The policeport seven thousand ecstasy

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Speaker 2: tablets and eleven hundred grams of speed. This is him

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Speaker 2: back in two thousand and five. And yeah, so then

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Speaker 2: they with the phone intercepts and all the rest of it,

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Speaker 2: and the undercovers and COVID operations as they do, they

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Speaker 2: ended up pinning me. Was alleging, not alleging because I

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Speaker 2: took a plea. But there's more to the story. But

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Speaker 2: it's all sold, sealed and delivered now. So they end

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Speaker 2: up saying that I was his supplier for that amount.

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Speaker 2: So I took a plea bargain. In the end, if

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Speaker 2: I had taken that to trial and was found guilty,

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Speaker 2: which I was guilty of trafficking, I omit that and

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Speaker 2: I have been found guilty at trial for those amounts

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Speaker 2: and the racket they say we were running. I could

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Speaker 2: have got decent figures, you know, like a lot more

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Speaker 2: than what I got. And so yeah, I took a

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Speaker 2: plea bargain, and they got me, still got me on

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Speaker 2: the ropes because they introduced a new a new charge

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Speaker 2: which was called between dates. So if you and me,

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Speaker 2: let's say you're me meet up at the pub bent

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if this is still in play

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Speaker 2: because I'm out of the game, but back then it

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Speaker 2: was very new. We almost set a precedence for it.

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Speaker 3: I've not heard of it, so I'm interested in here and.

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Speaker 2: Between dates. So if you and me meet at the

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Speaker 2: pub and I've got a pound of weed, let's say,

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Speaker 2: and I say to you, would you like to buy

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Speaker 2: this pound of weed? And you buy that pound of weed,

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Speaker 2: then that's one that's one charge, you know, trafficking a

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Speaker 2: pound a weed from one bloke to another. This is

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Speaker 2: all hypothetical. Just give the listeners what you need to

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Speaker 2: get them an understandable And or if I was to

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Speaker 2: see you once every week for because the pounds, let's

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Speaker 2: say sixteen ounces, So if I was to see you

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Speaker 2: once every week and sell you an ounce, so sixteen

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Speaker 2: weeks in a row, I've sold you an ounce every week,

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Speaker 2: you'd think that the sixteen ounces is a better charge

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Speaker 2: than the one hit of a pound. It's not. It's

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Speaker 2: called between dates. What that sixteen ounces does is it

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Speaker 2: shows an ongoing enterprise, ongoing supply, so ongoing criminal enterprise

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Speaker 2: as they call it. So it's better off that you

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Speaker 2: sell the one big batch than break that little batch up.

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Speaker 3: Knowing you're consciously doing that time and time and time

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Speaker 3: and time again. You keep reoffending.

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Speaker 2: Exactly yes, and it shows that you know that you've organized.

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Speaker 2: It's all more of an organized racket, is they would

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Speaker 2: put it, you know. And so they offered me a

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Speaker 2: between dates, and they broke an amount down over so

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Speaker 2: many weeks of the investigation, and we took a plee

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Speaker 2: and I got a five with a three, which was

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Speaker 2: a little bit steep for the weight they put to me.

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Speaker 2: I think it was one hundred bickies a week or

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Speaker 2: something like that for a few months, and which broke

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Speaker 2: it took a bunch of the weight off, but still

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Speaker 2: got me a five or three. But you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a blessing in disguise. If I had taken the

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Speaker 2: trial and found guilty on that maund I probably got

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Speaker 2: double the time. But anyway, so I did my time,

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was pretty cool. I was in

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Speaker 2: the know and I ended up, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: could say, trying to prove myself for you know, be

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Speaker 2: a hard time. I thought I was, and I ran

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Speaker 2: I did all right, you know, I was fucking hell,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty fucking easy. But then I got to borrow

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Speaker 2: and ended up getting all the way to bar and

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Speaker 2: eventually slot and bowing. And once I got to bail

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Speaker 2: and I found my pecking order. You know, there was

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Speaker 2: some some serious fucking criminals up there.

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Speaker 3: So just slow it down, Slow it down for a second,

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Speaker 3: because not everybody understands the system as well. Every state's different.

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Speaker 3: In Australia. You talking about coming through ramand before class,

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Speaker 3: how are you? And then were you class owed into bowin.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So I was out on bail. I got bail

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Speaker 2: for the charges and then I got sentenced sentence. So

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Speaker 2: when I was pleaded guilty and sentencing, I got sentenced

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Speaker 2: at three or for five so minimum three years five

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Speaker 2: on the top. And I went in and they because

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Speaker 2: I was young enough, I was in my just before

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Speaker 2: my mid twenties. I and then sorry, let me add

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Speaker 2: this to this, so a little bit I missed. I

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Speaker 2: never decided once I got a Juvi, I danced around

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Speaker 2: I think, and I decided to not take drugs. Part

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Speaker 2: than the next guy. So I decided to knock drugs

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Speaker 2: all that those years. I was saying that it was

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Speaker 2: playing up, sort of build my little empire, if you'd

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Speaker 2: say that I was clean, clean as it, and I

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Speaker 2: put my game to the streets. So and I only

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Speaker 2: did that because I wanted to be.

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Speaker 3: A bit let's yeh. But hang on a second. That

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Speaker 3: just sets a little bit of a bar for the

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Speaker 3: sort of person that you are now. A lot of

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Speaker 3: people in high dependency or addiction on it extremely hard

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Speaker 3: to find that strength to get out of it and

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Speaker 3: maintain that. Sobriety, you're a man who had a goal

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Speaker 3: and a purpose, put his mind to it and knocked

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Speaker 3: it straight on the fucking head to be bigger and

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Speaker 3: better at what you wanted to achieve. Now, just put

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Speaker 3: this in perspective. I'm jumping forward again, and this is

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Speaker 3: part of your story to ere Yar today. But you've

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Speaker 3: done almost identically the same thing again, and you've set

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Speaker 3: a goal and you're knocking down wall and your head's

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Speaker 3: that strong that I don't even think relapse would be

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Speaker 3: a word in your vocabulary. Now it's start and I'm

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Speaker 3: starting to see a little bit more of the man

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to, and then why you are, Yeah that

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Speaker 3: this is cool, keep going. I just wanted to throw

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Speaker 3: that in there because that's just an observation of us

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Speaker 3: sitting down face to face having this chat. That's that's

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Speaker 3: actually powerful within your own person.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and yeah. So from there, I went to

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Speaker 2: at Port Phillip. So that's a maxecurity prison we have

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Speaker 2: in Victoria. And I was only just a couple of

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Speaker 2: a little bloke, but I was a little bit above.

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Speaker 2: You know. We had one hundred thousand dollars cars, you know,

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Speaker 2: my girlfriend. We had a hair salon or Gainsville furniture,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. You know, we're spending stacks to proper stacks,

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Speaker 2: like that, so you know, there was kids in there

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Speaker 2: so within a couple of weeks they moved me on

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Speaker 2: from there and I went to another prison, medium prison.

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Speaker 2: They class owed me to a medium prison and ended

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Speaker 2: up calling me girl. You know, I was with a

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Speaker 2: girl from the age of about sixteen, so we nearly

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Speaker 2: get ten years this now, call her and say make

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Speaker 2: give me the eyes and that, or you don't give

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Speaker 2: me the fucking sign at me, get through the phone

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Speaker 2: going here whatever, And then she'd rock up and do

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Speaker 2: and do what I did on the streets, you know,

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Speaker 2: just that poison, you know. And she ended up getting pinched.

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Speaker 2: So she ended up getting a challenge, sorry, got a challenge,

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Speaker 2: and they are they said, twelve months band. So that

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Speaker 2: cost my relationship right there. You know, she'd never done

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong. She's good girl, cooked and cleaned and looked

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Speaker 3: I could see in your face that that that that hurt,

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Speaker 2: It's shaddering one hundred percent. Still do still friends to

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Speaker 2: this day. She's like a sister to me, you know,

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Speaker 2: these days. But she was in my high school sweetheart,

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Speaker 2: if you could say that. And I sacrificed what we

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Speaker 2: and then comes the power, you know, and then comes

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Speaker 2: really corruption, like on the next level, and I think

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so that the money and the power corupted

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Speaker 2: the hell out of me, you know, it took away

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Speaker 2: from what's right, and yeah, I sort of I got

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Speaker 2: gonna call it. Moved on for being a fucking turd,

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Speaker 2: getting in fights and thinking I could control the units

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Speaker 2: I was in and that with a bit of fucking poison,

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Speaker 2: and went to another one, went to her, and then

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Speaker 2: I went to her Fulham again, same thing again, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't have my girl on side this time, and

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Speaker 2: we were alright from let's be far from which he was,

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Speaker 2: so we didn't have mobile calls back then and all that,

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Speaker 2: so I'd call this sometimes once a week, no visit

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Speaker 2: expected to just wait for me for the record.

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Speaker 1: I'm done trying to make you uncomfortable for the record.

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Speaker 1: You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for.

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Speaker 3: Your for the record.

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Speaker 1: Laugh on me going all the way for the record.

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Speaker 1: Ain't trying to link no time to waste for the.

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Speaker 4: Record, for the record, for the for the record, for

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Speaker 4: the record, for the record, for the record.

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