Speaker 1: Hello, I'm welcome the Daily Telegraph and a podcast on
Speaker 1: bent Re joined by Pem Wiley. Forgot my name? Then
Speaker 1: the team we could do. It's Origin week. It's an
Speaker 1: exciting time. Interstate rivalry is alive and well, how are
Speaker 1: you feeling? You're both in yourselves Welsh people, so you'd
Speaker 1: be quite nervous, i'd imagine nervous about what about losing?
Speaker 2: Obviously, why would we lose? I think there's a I
Speaker 2: think there's a freshness about this new South Wales Blues team,
Speaker 2: and I know there was a bit of conjecture about
Speaker 2: you know, obviously we'll go through the Teddy Edwards stuff,
Speaker 2: but the makeup of the bench and the rest of it.
Speaker 2: But I like what matches put together and we get
Speaker 2: Teddy backs, so you know, even after losing, Dylan Edwards,
Speaker 2: arguably the best fullback of his generation comes in. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's not no reason to be about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, I look nervous. No no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I'm all good. No. After spending a little bit of
Speaker 3: time in camp with the Blues over the weekend, I did, yeah,
Speaker 3: cold freezing, but it was like where they were staying
Speaker 3: was beautiful. It was. They just kind of had no distractions,
Speaker 3: No one was really bothering them. They were just the
Speaker 3: way he likes it. So it was, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 3: They were Yeah, they just looked nice and relaxed and
Speaker 3: really got to bond together.
Speaker 2: Don't This is about the time that all these illnesses
Speaker 2: and injury scared.
Speaker 1: Or something.
Speaker 2: That was nice and earlier.
Speaker 1: That that shows you how confidence Billy is because we
Speaker 1: haven't had any late injury scares or frightening moments. But
Speaker 1: the News of the week spent obviously James, Dylan Edwards
Speaker 1: James to Desco Sagi. Obviously Teddy. I think he played
Speaker 1: twenty two Origin games in a row something, captain of
Speaker 1: this news, Captain of Australia Madge drops him last week
Speaker 1: and then he comes Dlan Edwards and then sadly for
Speaker 1: Dylan he gets ruled out with the quote problem. So
Speaker 1: Teddy was the obvious guy to bring in, right, But
Speaker 1: devastated for Dylan Edwards because he's been knocking on the
Speaker 1: door for three four years now. In form fullback argument
Speaker 1: in the camp, well reswols Calen I suppose.
Speaker 2: Three time premiership winner, So yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 2: tough for him though, absolutely tough for him, you know,
Speaker 2: and for somebody who has been as successful in clubland
Speaker 2: as Dylan Edwards. If it wasn't for Teddy, he'd be
Speaker 2: the first picked in that number one jumper. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe Tommy tom oh. Yeah, But I just
Speaker 2: feel like for origin, like I always when you watched
Speaker 2: him in Edwards play and the effort he puts in
Speaker 2: and just his support play. He's also I mean, it
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter now because neither of them are playing,
Speaker 2: but I felt in the past that while Nathan Cleary
Speaker 2: was there, if they had Dylan Edwards at the back,
Speaker 2: that would really unlock Nathan Cleary our origin level. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean unfortunate. And he's one of the
Speaker 2: nicest guys you'll ever meet. So he gets his opportunity
Speaker 2: in such controversial circumstances and he would have hated that,
Speaker 2: right because he doesn't love doing media. You know, that
Speaker 2: first day he comes into camp, everyone's in his face,
Speaker 2: it's a bit full on, and he just you know,
Speaker 2: he took it in his stride and he said all
Speaker 2: the right things about coming in, you know, over Teddy.
Speaker 2: But these things happen, right, and just the timing of
Speaker 2: it is. You know, they're saying it's not that serious,
Speaker 2: but it's just the kind of injury that you can't
Speaker 2: risk taking into origin because if you lose him in
Speaker 2: the fight in the first five or ten minutes and you've
Speaker 2: got problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been around the camp. You were there when
Speaker 1: Dylan was well, when he was in camp, and then
Speaker 1: obviously out What did you make of what happened over
Speaker 1: the weekend.
Speaker 3: It was a really weird one because on that the
Speaker 3: training session on Saturday, so it was their first a
Speaker 3: posted session of the week and it was against you know, Panthers,
Speaker 3: SG ball players and just you know, random players throughout
Speaker 3: their pathway system. And everyone was looking at Nico. How's Nico?
Speaker 3: And you know, how's he going to go with?
Speaker 1: Get thrown out of the session?
Speaker 3: Watch the whole thing thrown out? Yeah, yeah, the days
Speaker 3: are gone. No, So you watch the warm up, so
Speaker 3: everyone's you know, looking at Nico. You know, how does
Speaker 3: he look. He looks like he's running pretty good. So
Speaker 3: I felt, you know, pretty confident after that Nico is
Speaker 3: going to be fine. And then yeah, we write all
Speaker 3: our stories, we get thrown out, then we go to
Speaker 3: a cafe, we write all our stories and then maybe
Speaker 3: half an hour later we get the call about Dylan
Speaker 3: Edwards and so yeah, it was just a very crazy
Speaker 3: couple of hours there. But yeah, it's just, yeah, you
Speaker 3: feel really sad for him because this was his chance.
Speaker 3: He's waited so long for it, and now the question
Speaker 3: kind of comes you know, what happens if Teddy kills it.
Speaker 1: It's funny back in the good old those we stayed
Speaker 1: for the entire well, this is the first year year
Speaker 1: we haven't stay the entire training session and you would
Speaker 1: have seen all this unfolded year ago, would have we
Speaker 1: would have the cat phones that last.
Speaker 2: Sort of lived off. So in the past, you know,
Speaker 2: they would make us turn our cameras off after that
Speaker 2: first sort of allowed period. But name one was kicking
Speaker 2: you off watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but now even at New Southwald Center of Excellence,
Speaker 3: now have you seen all the fences. They've blacked it
Speaker 3: all out, so all the fences have got all of
Speaker 3: so when you're standing on the field on the inside,
Speaker 3: it's all pictures of you know, New South Wales origin
Speaker 3: moments and things like that. From the outside, you can't
Speaker 3: see in and.
Speaker 1: It's just a peak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it really?
Speaker 3: Imagine just when was the twenty fourteen Grand finally did
Speaker 3: that to the redfern oval the fences, So yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's definitely a bit of a change with how much
Speaker 3: access we have, for sure, but yeah for drama still.
Speaker 1: He raise a good point. If Teddy comes in and
Speaker 1: brains it, just say new Sowell's win. Teddy comes in,
Speaker 1: wins me on the match? What's he do?
Speaker 2: Well? He keeps him, keeps him, of course, he keeps him.
Speaker 2: I mean the thing with Tedesco is he's never let
Speaker 2: anybody down every time he's been in a Blues Jersey.
Speaker 2: And there's a very good chance he comes out and
Speaker 2: he is the best player for the Blues on Wednesday Night.
Speaker 2: Now he's done it before. He thrives in in that arena,
Speaker 2: and if the Blues win with him full back, then yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean they're saying Dylan Edwards might be
Speaker 2: out for one or two weeks, but even then, by
Speaker 2: the time they announced the next team, he probably hasn't
Speaker 2: played any football, so they potentially take him in again
Speaker 2: without knowing you know, there'll be an injury cloud over him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, what who would you would you not?
Speaker 2: Would you bring Edwards back?
Speaker 1: Or what do you reckon?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's a tough one, isn't it
Speaker 3: like it?
Speaker 1: I think to be honest, I think if I think
Speaker 1: you've made the decision.
Speaker 3: Kindly in that way too. But then that's also God,
Speaker 3: that's a huge call though, isn't it a.
Speaker 1: Massive cool, massive cool and huge call on Teddy if
Speaker 1: he comes back wins Man in the match they play
Speaker 1: out of the skin. The old adage is you don't
Speaker 1: change a winning team. But I think you've gone down
Speaker 1: that path. Yeah, how you Jakeie? You feel.
Speaker 3: Yes today? So like, what can you imagine that phone
Speaker 3: callould have been like between Jake and Teddy When Jake
Speaker 3: called Teddy to say I'm captain?
Speaker 1: Ye can?
Speaker 2: That would be I wonder if I had he.
Speaker 3: Would have apologized.
Speaker 2: Jake is so nice that when Teddy came back into camp,
Speaker 2: he probably would have called him and man and said
Speaker 2: you can be captain if you can have it back
Speaker 2: if you are likes He's That kind of would have
Speaker 2: been an awkward moment phone. But again, Jake is another
Speaker 2: one who's absolutely the right to be able to be
Speaker 2: in New South Wales, captain. So yeah, it's it's awkward around.
Speaker 2: It was interesting. Brad Fieldler mentioned that he thought that
Speaker 2: the initial conversation phone call when Madge picked up the
Speaker 2: call to the phone to Teddy to say we need you,
Speaker 2: you're back in, would have been you know, the way
Speaker 2: he said it was not so warm and a few
Speaker 2: little words said so you know, but I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think Teddy is the kind of guy who was
Speaker 2: he will go into camp kind of holding a grudge with.
Speaker 3: You that you got Yeah, and did not get an
Speaker 3: air of that whatsoever. He just seemed so happy to
Speaker 3: be there and he was, you know, laughing, and he
Speaker 3: was in a really good mood and he seemed calm,
Speaker 3: And there's got.
Speaker 1: To be a bit of him that those goes in
Speaker 1: with the point to prove.
Speaker 3: It has to be what more could of course.
Speaker 1: Because they want to me and they get to where
Speaker 1: they are in the game because they're great competitors, great
Speaker 1: self belief and you know when a bloke like that
Speaker 1: gets dropped like that, and so he gets a late
Speaker 1: call up, I'm sure he's thinking himself, well, I'm going
Speaker 1: to show you you got it wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, were on Gordy when he said.
Speaker 1: I wasn't on when he said it, but.
Speaker 3: So Gordy said. He said that there would be an
Speaker 3: air of embarrassment about.
Speaker 1: Being good and tell Us is a great queen, the
Speaker 1: other queen a little bit. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think there would be with James. I think, as I said,
Speaker 1: I think James goes in there with a point to prove,
Speaker 1: and it's probably I don't think he'd be embarrassed. I
Speaker 1: think he'd be determined to and I from queens and
Speaker 1: I'm really wary of him. The issue might be and
Speaker 1: one of the criticisms of Teddy in origins is that
Speaker 1: maybe overplaced his hand and tries to get his hand
Speaker 1: the ball too much, tries to and and maybe take
Speaker 1: some of the possession away from the heart, the control
Speaker 1: away from the harves. I wonder whether Teddy's got to
Speaker 1: be on guard that he doesn't try to do too
Speaker 1: much and doesn't doesn't affect, you know, Jerome Lei and
Speaker 1: Niko Hines' ability to run the team and play the
Speaker 1: way they want to play. It's intriguing through to come
Speaker 1: dis late how significant I mean, I'd imagine my name.
Speaker 1: You've set the way you're going to play right and
Speaker 1: then on a Sunday three before the game, your fallback changes.
Speaker 1: Now there's sort of similar footballers. Well they want to
Speaker 1: be around the ball lot, but there's subtle changes you'd
Speaker 1: have to make. It doesn't even have much time to
Speaker 1: make them because they've done most of the hard work
Speaker 1: by now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they do have one big session today before obviously,
Speaker 2: like Captain's run, so any of those tweaks will have
Speaker 2: to be made today. But I find it hard to
Speaker 2: believe that Madge is going to throw out the playbook
Speaker 2: because Teddy's in there, and Teddy's been around long enough,
Speaker 2: he's experienced enough he'll know, and he's played with the
Speaker 2: why before. So yeah, I think whatever game plan that
Speaker 2: Madge had to begin with, obviously, because it was a
Speaker 2: game plan that didn't necessarily include the way that Teddy
Speaker 2: likes to play our agent, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you said, maybe you know has too many possessions.
Speaker 2: But part of that too, when you think back on it,
Speaker 2: is you know, as great as Nathan Cleary is, and
Speaker 2: Nathan Cleary hit himself has admitted that he hasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: taken origin by the scruff of the neck. So a
Speaker 2: lot of him, maybe overplaying his hand, has been in
Speaker 2: the fact that they've struggled to find a dominant half
Speaker 2: in origin. So yeah, look, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: I don't think Teddy will have a point to prove,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I also don't think Teddy's the
Speaker 2: kind of player who's going to go out there and
Speaker 2: want to make Wednesday Night about him.
Speaker 3: He might need to kind of We've got an untested
Speaker 3: halves combination though there too, so he also has the
Speaker 3: ability then to take the game if he needs to.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not about the Mighty Morons. We've had a I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say we were in past slant. His journalis the
Speaker 1: Queens and has had a very smooth preparation. Only concerned
Speaker 1: was Harry had Harry Green had a little little food scare. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's okay. I saw him interview the other day, Harry.
Speaker 1: So it's been really relatively calm in Queens. And then
Speaker 1: their favorites to the Marones apparently, although everyone knows the Queens
Speaker 1: and they are always the underdogs.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, according to who favor is
Speaker 2: the underdogs? Yeah, I mean I think I guess it
Speaker 2: speaks to the fact that how much they are the
Speaker 2: favorites in that they lost somebody like cam Munster. But
Speaker 2: it hasn't been like the main talking point, like nobody's
Speaker 2: been banging on about oh my god, but he's a
Speaker 2: massive loss for them, you know, like when you think
Speaker 2: about players made for Origin on the on the flip
Speaker 2: side of things, just his unpredictability, h the X factor,
Speaker 2: the way that he's a game breaker, Like they lose
Speaker 2: that from from camp Munster, because cam Munster is the
Speaker 2: kind of guy who can when you need something at
Speaker 2: the death, he can come up with it. And I
Speaker 2: don't think but maybe that's just you know how Billy
Speaker 2: satter is. Cam Munster's not there, so they just move
Speaker 2: on with tom Didon and and hopeful the best.
Speaker 1: Well, it would say Tommy's one game he's played of Origin,
Speaker 1: he was absolutely oba and Cam hasn't been Like Cam
Speaker 1: has obviously carried cam Munster's obviously carried that growing problem
Speaker 1: or hit problem most of the year, and I reckon
Speaker 1: it's he hasn't been the same player this year.
Speaker 2: But think Origin is the kind of arena that he throws, well.
Speaker 1: That's where he's been brilliant, original level but I think
Speaker 1: Tommy didn't Shiney can handle it, do a good job
Speaker 1: there and obviously got a lot of weapons with It's
Speaker 1: a great spy. And Reecee Walsh, Harry Grant, you know,
Speaker 1: Daily's obviously been a steady hand for long time. In
Speaker 1: Original Daily's form has been a bit down as well.
Speaker 1: I reckon this year, the game before Origin, he was better,
Speaker 1: but his form the month before that I thought was
Speaker 1: he was a bit shaky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the Cowboys haven't been They've been very, very
Speaker 2: patchy the Cowboys all years. So it's it's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, the Queens Anders go in there with a
Speaker 2: harp's combination that have been killing.
Speaker 1: So you're basically confirming that Queens that should be underdogs.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Well, the Blues would win, So yeah, to me, they
Speaker 2: are the favorite.
Speaker 1: Tom I mean, sorry, Tommy didn't do you expect? What
Speaker 1: do you expect from him? As I said, he's played
Speaker 1: Origin before and been I think from memory I called
Speaker 1: him he was out ending in that game. But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't been great this year. But he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys you just always he's always trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, And he just seems kind
Speaker 3: of unflappable, just calm, just gets his job done. I
Speaker 3: think that's kind of all he'll need to do. All
Speaker 3: they need to do is just get the ball out
Speaker 3: of resource.
Speaker 1: Right, we should touch Ony boy because he's probably the
Speaker 1: great threat for Queens and he's such a good player
Speaker 1: and he's an excitement machine and they love him, do
Speaker 1: you what's his speed? Is his speeds and and adds
Speaker 1: another dimension of the Queens in game. And he gets
Speaker 1: his ball out, the ball out the back and puts
Speaker 1: his sallerated down. That's that's going to put the fear
Speaker 1: of God. And you said, I imagine is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't think Magic's got a planet he's borrowing from
Speaker 2: de has not. And so I know the weekend about
Speaker 2: how has has figured out how to shut down resworts
Speaker 2: and it's just pretty much have you know, the outside
Speaker 2: backs just on him like a rash. So, yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: He's probably when you think about when you think about
Speaker 2: the team that the Blues have named, I don't know
Speaker 2: whether we have the same sort of X factor player
Speaker 2: in Ris Walsh on the Blue side. So yeah, he's
Speaker 2: probably going to be the one that you want to
Speaker 2: shut down.
Speaker 3: The most sel and Gobbo also to an extent as well,
Speaker 3: because if they bring him on, you know late, they're
Speaker 3: going to play. And that's just that is the thing
Speaker 3: that that's the thing that scares me is that we
Speaker 3: don't have we when new weals don't kind of have that,
Speaker 3: you know, when the game is really getting into the
Speaker 3: trenches towards the back end, someone with a bit of energy,
Speaker 3: it's going to has to come from those starting you
Speaker 3: know thirty in that back line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably another reason Madge couldn't really afford to
Speaker 1: take a risk on Dylan Edwards because your bench, they
Speaker 1: have no backs on the bench, and I think they're
Speaker 1: covered for the outside backs as Hudson Young who's played,
Speaker 1: who's trained to send send in camera on occasions.
Speaker 3: But yeh a memory.
Speaker 2: He might have shifted out there during a game every
Speaker 2: every now and then when they've had like injuries or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but Cobbo is really intriguing the way they
Speaker 1: use him because there's a chance maybe he doesn't get
Speaker 1: in the field, so on Cobo during this game, but
Speaker 1: if he gets on the field, I imagine at some
Speaker 1: point maybe he plays in the middle of the field
Speaker 1: because Queens have had done that over the years. Kalan's
Speaker 1: played there, Cooper played there, Benny Hunt's played there. Is
Speaker 1: sort of a middle, sort of a lock, almost a
Speaker 1: roaming go in the middle of the field. And I reckon,
Speaker 1: someone's a big dude, right, I mean, and he's and
Speaker 1: you can imagine latent games they bring on So and
Speaker 1: Cobo to the middle of the field. Could be unbelievable,
Speaker 1: could be a disaster.
Speaker 2: Player. However, it could be knowing Yeah, I was just
Speaker 2: gonna say, knowing so on Cobbo, it's probably leaning on
Speaker 2: the war genius side.
Speaker 1: And Billy is obviously a tactical, tactically very smart Billy.
Speaker 1: You know they talk about back in Melbourne back in
Speaker 1: the day he come up with all his trick plays
Speaker 1: and when he was playing Billy, so he knows how
Speaker 1: to I'd imagine he'd know how in his mind, he'd
Speaker 1: know how he's going to use sew one in that role,
Speaker 1: and he could come up with some really different ways.
Speaker 1: I reckon.
Speaker 3: Just the sight of Billy Slater in like a Maroon's
Speaker 3: jersey in the colors or something just sends chills up
Speaker 3: your spiders. And man, do you agree, just yeah, later,
Speaker 3: just having him anywhere near Origin is scary.
Speaker 1: Now what about the Women's Origin to sell.
Speaker 2: Out, to sell out, how good is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That first game was a good game, bad result,
Speaker 1: good game?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well what was a great result? And then the Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's another it's a home game here for New
Speaker 3: South Wales girls. But yeah, just to have a sellout
Speaker 3: in Newcastle, we obviously know what kind of a community
Speaker 3: they have up there. They love their rugby league. So
Speaker 3: sold out. Yeah, a week or so out from the game. Incredible,
Speaker 3: sud be over thirty thousand people there and this again
Speaker 3: will be another records. It will be another world record
Speaker 3: for a standalone women's rugby league match. So just they
Speaker 3: just smashing records.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ratings were amazing at a game, so there's
Speaker 2: definitely it was it was the right move to get
Speaker 2: to a to get to a series, rather than you know,
Speaker 2: just have the two games. And absolutely yeah, if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, I'm just going to go out here a
Speaker 2: little bit. When we previewed the first Women's Origin, both
Speaker 2: of you doubt that the Blues kid done?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't remember that far back.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I'll absolutely put my hand up. I
Speaker 3: thought the fact that they hadn't played any Woodie or
Speaker 3: they didn't have a club kind of or state competition
Speaker 3: going into it was going to be a bit underne
Speaker 3: it was, but it turns out they well they had
Speaker 3: the seven week camp and they just looked so fit
Speaker 3: and really connected as a team. So yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: definitely got that wrong.
Speaker 1: Are you expecting it to be over? Then? After after
Speaker 1: Thursday night? Right Thursday? That game, Yeah, serious to be
Speaker 1: over because New said win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Queen's only going to have to pull something out.
Speaker 3: They've made a few changes, so they've dropped Zahara Tamara
Speaker 3: so she was in the halves in game one, and
Speaker 3: then so Ali brigging Sure is back at half back,
Speaker 3: so she was at lock. So they've made a few
Speaker 3: little changes there. But they're gonna I mean, they're Queensland, right,
Speaker 3: so they backs against the wall kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: the mentality. Yeah, so you can never really count them out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they did need a drastic improvement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest The biggest thing I noticed
Speaker 2: because I was up there for Magic Ground and covered
Speaker 2: the first ochin game and you know, I'd remembered you
Speaker 2: saying sort of the biggest worry about the Blues was
Speaker 2: the fact that they hadn't had any state competitions leading
Speaker 2: into it. But the thing is they looked a lot
Speaker 2: fresher than Queensland. They looked a lot more enthusiastic, a
Speaker 2: lot more energized, And that was the biggest thing. I
Speaker 2: noticed that the Queensland were you after about ten minutes
Speaker 2: out on their haunches and they just looked just like that.
Speaker 2: The preparation that seven week camp was perfect for them.
Speaker 2: So and they were on a massive high after the
Speaker 2: game as well, And I think that's sort of confidence
Speaker 2: and momentum is going to bode well for them, and
Speaker 2: I think that the series will be over.
Speaker 3: What could be better than playing at a packed crowd
Speaker 3: at Newcastle?
Speaker 1: Yep, we'll get you, We'll get your predictions. What are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Men's and women's South Wees all the way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go bluey Blue.
Speaker 1: Train as a Queenslander in both games, both games.
Speaker 2: Of course, are we going to have? It was a
Speaker 2: school prediction, So school prediction?
Speaker 1: How many points?
Speaker 2: Oh god, okay, let's go. Let's go eighteen twelve New
Speaker 2: South Wales and the men's game let's go twenty four
Speaker 2: twenty four to eight.
Speaker 3: In the women's game, we got yeah, another bit of
Speaker 3: a low scorer both under Yeah, we'll say fourteen ten
Speaker 3: to New South Wales and the men's game, and then
Speaker 3: in the women's game we'll go make it close twenty
Speaker 3: four twenty two.
Speaker 1: I think Coens win by about twenty two points. In
Speaker 1: the men's game. Margin I'm government margin two points. I'm
Speaker 1: very confident, and I think the women's game close to
Speaker 1: two points. It is very smash.
Speaker 3: You've gone from saying they're the underdogs to smash.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exciting stuff. Okay, let's look at the games on
Speaker 1: the weekend. Obviously we were had a lot of players,
Speaker 1: a lot of high quality players, a lot of rep players.
Speaker 1: But some players came back, including Mitchell Moses for Paramatta
Speaker 1: and how good was Mitchell Moses and how good were
Speaker 1: paramatter with Mitchell Moses back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're if there's anybody who is going to
Speaker 2: deliver when they have a point to prove, it's somebody
Speaker 2: like Mitch Moses. And he's probably got, you know, a
Speaker 2: point to prove for a couple of reasons, obviously, like
Speaker 2: he was out injured when BA you know was axed.
Speaker 2: He misses out on Origin because of the fact that
Speaker 2: he's out injured. So yeah, he came out there with
Speaker 2: a point to prove, and he certainly did it, and
Speaker 2: they looked like a completely different footy team with him
Speaker 2: out there, Like, not only in terms of how they
Speaker 2: played their football, it was a really really good team effort,
Speaker 2: but just that competitiveness that someone like him and Guffo
Speaker 2: add to that team. They really missed them when when
Speaker 2: both of those guys were off the field.
Speaker 1: There's a difference he made of the guys around him
Speaker 1: to Mitch. I mean, Will Pennasenia I think started the
Speaker 1: year really well and Mitch got injured in his game
Speaker 1: dropped off a bit, but Penseni was outstanding as well,
Speaker 1: and that was because Mitch was back to just sort
Speaker 1: of unleash him, I guess. But it's interesting, right because
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jerome and Nicko sort of set back and
Speaker 1: maybe watching that game on Thursday night, they would be
Speaker 1: the blow torches. Mitch would have been there. If Mitchell
Speaker 1: got back before Origin one, at any point, he would
Speaker 1: have been the team for Origin.
Speaker 2: Not to go back to Origin talk, but do you
Speaker 2: if Mitch was available, do you think it would have
Speaker 2: been Mitch and Nico rather than Mitch and Jerome.
Speaker 1: Uh? I think, well, Mitch would have been there. I
Speaker 1: know Mitch would have been I suppose it would have
Speaker 1: been with with NiCoT what they would have done, but
Speaker 1: maybe Niko at seven and Mitch at six. I think
Speaker 1: the plan was always playing Mitch at six and clearly
Speaker 1: at seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it puts a lot of pressure on those guys.
Speaker 1: But he was ridiculously good.
Speaker 3: Mitch was Yeah, he's just we know he has a
Speaker 3: kind of game in him, but now it's got so power.
Speaker 3: Had won three games coming into that, then they just
Speaker 3: looked outstanding their next few games. So they've got the
Speaker 3: Bulldogs this week, that's a big game, a big game.
Speaker 3: Then they got the Roosters, a buy Knights, Rabbit O's Titans,
Speaker 3: and then a buye good draw, good draw over these
Speaker 3: next what's up seven weeks and they're going to think
Speaker 3: they need that draw, like if if they're going to
Speaker 3: sort of find themselves in that finals equation.
Speaker 2: Again, that's the perfect draw for them. The only thing
Speaker 2: is if Moses to Origin, then that becomes problematic for them.
Speaker 2: I mean there is a buy in there, but still
Speaker 2: they need him on the field for the next twelve games.
Speaker 1: I love it when he runs the ball, Mitch. That's
Speaker 1: when he runs a fo ball. Yeah, he's fast. He
Speaker 1: just creates havoc when he runs a football.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: They're much better team when he's when he is running
Speaker 1: the footy. It's interesting that they've obviously shortlisted coaches now
Speaker 1: for that job. I expect over the next twenty four
Speaker 1: hours we'll find out who's on that short list. I mean, Hannah,
Speaker 1: Josh Hanna, Jason Rolls, Trent Barrett will be on the list.
Speaker 1: I imagine Michael McGuire be in the list of the
Speaker 1: Paramounty job. If you've got an early favorite, who do
Speaker 1: you like?
Speaker 2: My feeling is, considering they went for somebody like Wayne Bennett,
Speaker 2: my feeling is somebody like now that he's off the table,
Speaker 2: that someone like Madge maguire is something is the kind
Speaker 2: of coach that they are probably looking for, because there's
Speaker 2: a reason why you target someone like Wayne Bennett, right
Speaker 2: Like you're looking for experience, So you know, Jason, Guys
Speaker 2: like Jason Rawles and Josh Hanna a spoken about so
Speaker 2: the next you know, best up and coming head coaches,
Speaker 2: but they don't necessarily have experience in that head coach role.
Speaker 2: You do take on a difficult roster for a number
Speaker 2: of reasons, like it's an experienced roster, so you've only
Speaker 2: got a limited amount of time to actually get success.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of big personalities in that roster. You
Speaker 2: need somebody who's going to be able to manage egos,
Speaker 2: and you need somebody who's going to be able to
Speaker 2: manage the next crop of guys coming in. Plus, I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a more high pressure job in the
Speaker 2: NRL than being the head coach of the ParaMed eals.
Speaker 2: You need somebody who's going to be able to deal
Speaker 2: with that constant that that it's that relentless expectation, that
Speaker 2: pressure that's not Yeah, So when I think something like
Speaker 2: Madge might be suited to.
Speaker 1: That, I reckon it's a Hanai roll shootout.
Speaker 2: You think I like it like that.
Speaker 1: Too, Madge, just because maybe there's a perception he's very
Speaker 1: much like Brad in terms of the type of coach.
Speaker 1: Is I don't know, just stern.
Speaker 2: To stern what you're saying that that.
Speaker 1: Look maybe a bit more old school than what Rosey
Speaker 1: and Josh. They're more of the modern coach, right. They're
Speaker 1: they're young there, they haven't been burnt by the system yet,
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit like not jaded yet not jaded, right.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I imagine do a great job there,
Speaker 1: I think, but I just get the feeling they're going
Speaker 1: to look at a fresher, a fresher coach, and they're
Speaker 1: the two guys who are knocking on the door for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the two roles. He's had an apprenticeship,
Speaker 1: he's been at the Melbourne Roosters. He was an assistant
Speaker 1: Eddie Jones with England Rugby. He's back at Melbourne now.
Speaker 1: Josh has been with obviously Crenello. He's had a little
Speaker 1: interim stint from memory before at that was that the
Speaker 1: cows Cornella Cornella. He's been on Billy staff with Queensland.
Speaker 1: You know, they would seem two guys who've done everything they.
Speaker 2: Need to put in on the work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I reckon Riles as well. He has a
Speaker 3: very similar kind of a resume or similar as Brad
Speaker 3: when he was first appointed to part as well, and
Speaker 3: they kind of took a chance on him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's this whole perception there aren't coaches out
Speaker 1: there and you've got to go back to guys who've
Speaker 1: you know, the guys like Madge' and who've been there before.
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't agree with that. At some point,
Speaker 1: you've got to guys like Rosy and Josh Hapin working
Speaker 1: their butt off to get an opportunity. At some point
Speaker 1: you've got to give these guys a go. And understand
Speaker 1: Para is a big club, right, They've gone almost forty
Speaker 1: years without winning a camp. It's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: But it's a good squad. That's what we saw the
Speaker 1: other night. That's still a really good squad. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a squad that's a little bit tinkering, a little
Speaker 1: bit and done. Not a lot of tinkering, just a
Speaker 1: little bit of somewhat taken over the Dragons when need
Speaker 1: a lot of overhaul, that squad a couplets and.
Speaker 2: Ins and outs. But I don't think they've got that
Speaker 2: many players signed for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: A lot of player options, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But as in there is whoever comes in, I mean,
Speaker 2: there is a there is room for that, for that
Speaker 2: sort of overhaul. Barrett is he well, he'll be.
Speaker 1: He'll get an interview, i'd imagine, because he is the infant.
Speaker 1: But I mean again, Trent's had a couple of jobs
Speaker 1: manly Canterbury. It's been in the system the last year
Speaker 1: or so when they struggled. He said that, but they
Speaker 1: look good the other night.
Speaker 2: They did look good the other night, and he's you know,
Speaker 2: you can't question his his footy brain and his footy
Speaker 2: smart's good attacking coach. Defensive they probably need some help defensively.
Speaker 2: You know, if they can put a good defensive coach
Speaker 2: near Barrett, then maybe that changes things. But and I
Speaker 2: know he had a really bad win record at Canterbury,
Speaker 2: but I don't know who could have done any better
Speaker 2: at Canterbury at that point in time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you mentioned Canbry. That's a big game this
Speaker 1: week Power Bulldogs. The Dogs were outstanding last week they
Speaker 1: were against Newcastle just flogged them, really flogged them. And
Speaker 1: again it's just so is this incremental improvement the Bulldogs
Speaker 1: this year? They've just looked better just about every week
Speaker 1: they've improved. They lost joshadow Car for eight to ten
Speaker 1: weeks with a hammi problem, which is a blow, but
Speaker 1: they've shown, I reckon this year they've got the resilience
Speaker 1: to overcome that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think where they're obviously the biggest improvement
Speaker 2: that you can see is defensively right, and that hasn't
Speaker 2: been incremental. So They've gone from being the worst defensive
Speaker 2: side in the competition to now the best defensively in
Speaker 2: areas that you would not even dream that Canary would
Speaker 2: be at the top. I was looking at this yesterday
Speaker 2: for the column they have the best defense in the
Speaker 2: entire competition, better than Penrith in the red zone. You know,
Speaker 2: to think that the team that was that many points
Speaker 2: last year is now conceding the least amount of run meters,
Speaker 2: the least amount of post contact meters has the best
Speaker 2: red zone defense, is like that improvement isn't incremental. I
Speaker 2: think they're attacking. Improvement has been incremental, but even there,
Speaker 2: like the way Siro has been able to help Matt
Speaker 2: Burton go from everybody saying he's actually a center to
Speaker 2: him actually going okay, you can do this. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: a playmaker. You got read many.
Speaker 1: Playing out of his skin, annoying people.
Speaker 2: But he is playing some really good football.
Speaker 3: Yeah I can do.
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think about it?
Speaker 1: Is Queensland obviously not going to dig him too much.
Speaker 1: But the thing with right, if you're going to react
Speaker 1: to him, react like have a dead set go read.
Speaker 2: Are you advocating for violence?
Speaker 1: Well, he half boy head buttons the other day, but.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really a head part, was it, Sihii Sophie. Yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 1: You guys are getting getting sit in for like not
Speaker 1: really having to go.
Speaker 2: But that's on them for reacting to that niggle. We
Speaker 2: can't be endorsing.
Speaker 1: Show. I want to see someone actually. I know Canbury
Speaker 1: haven't been as bad this year, but I'd just like
Speaker 1: to see someone when when Canbury are losing the next game,
Speaker 1: if he gets a bit out of hand, that's starts
Speaker 1: a bit lopsided. I'd like to see someone just go
Speaker 1: read money and just sledge him the whole game.
Speaker 2: I don't think well for read Money that is power
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 1: Haven't they so those power?
Speaker 2: You would know the points?
Speaker 1: Would They'll be intriguing to watch one how they react.
Speaker 2: I think it's the kind of way he's been niggling
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks has changed ever since the
Speaker 2: Heatherington moment. And you know he probably got told by
Speaker 2: Saro to pull pull his head in. If he's going
Speaker 2: to niggle and bear pest, that's fine, but not to
Speaker 2: the point that it's going to hurt his team. So
Speaker 2: after being symbind, I don't think he's niggled to the
Speaker 2: point where it's hurt his team. You know, on the
Speaker 2: weekend he hurt Newcastle even though the game was over.
Speaker 2: It was SOPHETI he got symbind. But it was interesting
Speaker 2: because Andrew John's yesterday was saying how read Money now
Speaker 2: risks his legacy being just that he's a grub you
Speaker 2: know when he should be when you know he should
Speaker 2: be in the Origin conversation because Ben Hunt isn't going
Speaker 2: to play forever. He'll be thirty five next year, so
Speaker 2: and he is playing good enough football to be in
Speaker 2: that conversation. But it does Billy Slater wipe that sort
Speaker 2: of yeah stuff.
Speaker 1: I would imagine Origin. Those are the sort of you know,
Speaker 1: walking that fine line and maybe maybe conceding the odd penalty.
Speaker 1: In Origin, you can't do that. You'll get punished. So
Speaker 1: i'd imagine Billy would be wary about taking a chance
Speaker 1: on Read Marty given sometimes what he does back for
Speaker 1: I mean more often than not he wins that verbal
Speaker 1: battle and that mental battle, but occasionally in Origin you've
Speaker 1: got to be really disciplined, otherwise you get punished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just look back on the origins of old right,
Speaker 3: so we had like Justin Hodges, it was just a
Speaker 3: king at this Yeah, like yeah, I feel like he
Speaker 3: just kind of if he can, if he finds that
Speaker 3: line of how to get under someone's skin without getting punished,
Speaker 3: without losing it, that's I think.
Speaker 1: That's perfect fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I yeah, that would be as much as
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to see it, but that
Speaker 3: would be perfect fair.
Speaker 1: Queensland And what about you a lot about j Jerald
Speaker 1: Rea Hargraves today. Yeah, well there was his escape with
Speaker 1: a little slap on the wrist.
Speaker 2: Ja subsequent offense, but I think it was a Grade
Speaker 2: one charge, so we got a three thousand dollars fine.
Speaker 2: With the early play for that shoulder to Thomas mcainley,
Speaker 2: I mean during the game most people missed it, including myself,
Speaker 2: but there were replays at halftime and it looked he
Speaker 2: doesn't miss, like he goes in, he launches himself. But
Speaker 2: obviously the Matterbute committee doesn't think it warrants the suspension,
Speaker 2: even though at the time or the commentary was out,
Speaker 2: you know that Jared's in for another lengthy stint. But no,
Speaker 2: fine you play on.
Speaker 1: Move on, now, let's get to the really intriguing.
Speaker 3: No, let's put our hands up. How many tips did
Speaker 3: you get right this week?
Speaker 1: Too? I got camera right one.
Speaker 2: I got zero zero. No, I think I got too.
Speaker 2: Hold on exploding that I tipped camera because most people
Speaker 2: tip the dolphins.
Speaker 1: I took camera.
Speaker 2: Couldn't believe it. I tipped camera and I tipped that's it.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to tip her and then I just took.
Speaker 1: Wow, easy charging dboard. Now what are you watching? What
Speaker 1: do you got for us this week? What are you watching?
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone has seen this loan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's very interesting. I am obsessed with it. So
Speaker 3: they drop contestants in some remote area in Australia. They're
Speaker 3: by themselves. Obviously, it's called alone. They can take ten
Speaker 3: items with them, so whether that's you know, tarp rope,
Speaker 3: or they are some flint flint, yeah, little bits and pieces.
Speaker 3: Some people take you know, fishing wire or things like that,
Speaker 3: because then that's all you've got and the aim of
Speaker 3: the game is to just last out there longer than
Speaker 3: anybody else. They drop them just in remote areas of
Speaker 3: so it could be just in Tasmania in the same area,
Speaker 3: like about you know the ten k's around.
Speaker 2: They can't. They're not actually together in the same place,
Speaker 2: but far.
Speaker 3: Enough away that they don't know where anyone else is.
Speaker 3: And yeah, they've just kind of got to survive and
Speaker 3: they're there. They've got their own They get taught how
Speaker 3: to set up the camera so there's no camera people like,
Speaker 3: there's no crew there with them.
Speaker 1: They keep the camera charged.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they drop off some batteries in Australia.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so fascinating.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, I bring a phone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, wins what do they eat?
Speaker 3: Whatever they catch? So whether that's how do you can
Speaker 3: you cut your camper?
Speaker 1: Well, I do camp because my wife likes to camp.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of camping. Look like.
Speaker 2: You look like the glamor.
Speaker 3: You get the cabin, don't you.
Speaker 2: A camper?
Speaker 1: We camp, I'm telling you every year.
Speaker 2: In one of those exclusive.
Speaker 1: I think we do have as one of those pop
Speaker 1: up tents where the poles already in there. Quick I digress.
Speaker 1: Very funny story because a few years ago I lent
Speaker 1: the polls to a friend of ours for their tent,
Speaker 1: and when we got they return them, I didn't put
Speaker 1: them in the tent bag. So we went camping. We
Speaker 1: drove down this coamor area somewhere we got there to
Speaker 1: put the.
Speaker 2: How what did you do?
Speaker 1: So like go to Bunnings and.
Speaker 2: Did that on alone?
Speaker 1: You can't just go to Bunnings maybe stuff? What are
Speaker 1: you watching them?
Speaker 2: I'm watching Better of course it's an oldie. It's an oldie,
Speaker 2: but I tend to I tend to do that. I
Speaker 2: tend to circle back once everybody's forgotten about, like a
Speaker 2: hit TV show because I'm late to never watched it before.
Speaker 2: I never watched before. I didn't realize it has some
Speaker 2: sort of connection to Breaking Bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's the lawyer from Breaking Bad.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've never seen Breaking Bad.
Speaker 1: Guy, I've never watched either of those shows.
Speaker 3: We're breaking Back one of the best TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you'll leave.
Speaker 3: You run too late for shows I've watched.
Speaker 1: I can't get in. It's too late.
Speaker 2: One of the great Now you gets to watch better course,
Speaker 2: Although if you like sort of those that field quirky
Speaker 2: legal dramas, then okay, it's good fun.
Speaker 1: Mine's not a show I'm watching at the moment, but
Speaker 1: I watched the first two seasons of it. Third seasons
Speaker 1: about to come on. Mayor Kingstown, outstanding show. I've forgotten
Speaker 1: the actor in it. What's his name again? He's the
Speaker 1: Arrow guy from Guy. Yeah, he's the black the guy
Speaker 1: from the Let Me the Arrow guy in the Marvel
Speaker 1: movies and stuff. He's the guy who he was driving
Speaker 1: his snowmobile where he lived in his snowmobile or his
Speaker 1: snowplow land on top of it almost killed him.
Speaker 2: Real life, very accident. Yes, I know that any of these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that there. What's his name, Jeremy.
Speaker 2: Renner, Jeremy Renner, Yes, very good.
Speaker 1: This show is outstanding. Actually, Mary Kingstown. You get the chance,
Speaker 1: it's about watched it. So he's like a fixer in
Speaker 1: a town. It revolves around prison. He's like, he's like
Speaker 1: a fixer.
Speaker 2: On the outside of the Yeah, he's not the actual
Speaker 2: mayn but like the mayor.
Speaker 1: He's like the unofficial mayor of Kingstown. Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 1: So you get a chance to yourself favor season season three.
Speaker 1: I think it's how today. So what's the first two
Speaker 1: seasons for what are you going to be doing for
Speaker 1: the jump on season three? I'll binge that, I'll be
Speaker 1: up till to end and watching the whole show all
Speaker 1: right anyway, Thanks for joining us enjoy Origin this week,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you next week.