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Speaker 2: The meat, it was very soft and it was probably

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Speaker 3: Today, at the end of the second week of the

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Speaker 3: trial of Aaron Patterson, the jury heard from her fourteen

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Speaker 3: I'm Brooke Greebert Craig and this is the mushroom cook. Hi, Laura,

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Speaker 3: it's Friday.

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Speaker 4: We've made it to the end of the second week.

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Speaker 3: We did have a short day today, so it will

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Speaker 3: definitely be a short episode, but rest assured we'll have

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Speaker 3: the timeline of the events that we have heard in

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Speaker 3: court so far. So today the jury heard the last

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Speaker 3: ten minutes of Aaron's daughter's testimony. They also heard from

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Speaker 3: the episode, and it was his words, but not his voice.

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Speaker 3: So the son's interview was set up in the exact

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Speaker 3: same way as his sisters. It was a pre recorded

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Speaker 3: video from August twenty twenty three. Laura, can you set

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you asked that question because I realized we

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Speaker 4: We really focused on Aaron's reaction in court in the dock,

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Speaker 3: So In the daughter's testimony, she was questioned in detail

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Speaker 1: When you cook with mum? Have you ever cooked anything

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been mushroom picking?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a mushroom growing out in the wild?

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Speaker 3: So we heard the interviewer ask a lot of different

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. The interviewer asked her whether or not

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Speaker 3: And then the jury went on to hear Aaron's son's testimony.

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Speaker 4: And this was especially because his interview went for a

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Speaker 1: How would you describe your mum and dad's relationship? Probably

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Speaker 2: Before the lunch. It's all just very negative. I know

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Speaker 2: Talk to mom about that. He would just ring the

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Speaker 4: Soon after, in the interview, the boy was asked a

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Speaker 2: He kept trying to convinced me to go to his

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Speaker 3: The interviewer then asked about the hours and days after

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Speaker 4: That's right, But he arrived when the lunch was wrapping up.

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Speaker 4: Everyone was still there, all of the guests, including his grandparents,

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Speaker 4: He said the plates were white and about fifteen centimeters

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Speaker 4: to go watch the twenty twenty three film Elemental. I

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Speaker 4: He explained to the jury that he went upstairs to

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Speaker 4: He then started speaking about the next day. He remembers

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Speaker 4: He was asked by the interviewer what they ate, and

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Speaker 2: It was just a very fond memory in my head.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about how mushrooms grow, how they grew

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Speaker 3: And that was the end of Aaron's Sons evidence. So

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Speaker 4: We'll be back next week to do it all again.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Laura. Enjoy your weekend and don't forget that we

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