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Speaker 1: Ap Poche production.

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Speaker 2: The police were very respectful to me, but I noticed

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Speaker 2: maybe like the last four or five years, they no

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Speaker 2: longer had the respect for the general membership.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: They still respected me, but that's probably from the relationship

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Speaker 2: I had with a lot of the guys. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, these guys chase you for thirty years, Neil.

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Speaker 2: I mean you become friends with them in a weird

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Speaker 2: sort of way. You know, I don't know, you've probably

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Speaker 2: had cops after you and you get a weird revore

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Speaker 2: with them. Yeah, and a lot of the guys, I

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Speaker 2: honestly liked them, you know, and I wish they weren't cops,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: But then because you get on with them so well.

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Speaker 4: And the thing is, it's good to have certain cops

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Speaker 4: or anyone in your pocket, you know what I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, like to be there to control things.

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Speaker 4: But then other people that say in your club or

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Speaker 4: chapter see that they think, is he an informer?

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Speaker 3: Why are you so close to these cops? Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's what.

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Speaker 1: They don't know. But they don't understand that it's a

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Speaker 1: good thing to have them there.

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Speaker 3: See, that's occupational hazard. Oh god.

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Speaker 4: There's one thing though that I couldn't stop laughing at

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Speaker 4: and this was how the hell did someone from an

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Speaker 4: outlaw biking club get to hold and carry the Olympic torch?

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Speaker 1: Because I've put my hand up and I never got it.

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Speaker 2: You know, the ATF was saying real negative things about us.

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Speaker 2: They were going on a character assassination of us. And

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Speaker 2: I knew a lot of the big businessmen in southern

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Speaker 2: California and they had been going to them saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: you need to keep an ear open if you hear

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Speaker 2: anything about the Hell's Angels supplying weapons to terrorists, we

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Speaker 2: need to know. And these guys started calling me saying, hey, George,

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Speaker 2: ATFS in there and they're making accusations you're going to

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Speaker 2: supply weapons to terrorists.

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Speaker 3: What you have to understand is.

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Speaker 2: The Ventor Clubhouse was about twenty fifteen to twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: away from where they were going to hold all the

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Speaker 2: water events. So they said we would have a perfect

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Speaker 2: line to them. We could, you know, supply them the weapons.

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Speaker 2: They thought they said they were going to do something.

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Speaker 2: I don't think for one minute they ever thought there

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Speaker 2: was going to be a terrorist attack or that we

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Speaker 2: were going to be involved in it. I think it

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Speaker 2: was just bad, bad publicity. And what happened was I

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Speaker 2: saw that the Olympic torch relay was coming and for

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Speaker 2: a fee you could you could put money up and

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Speaker 2: you could carry the torch for a kilumter.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we did there. Again. You know, that's

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Speaker 3: controlling the narrative.

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Speaker 2: You know, they were saying negative things about us, and

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Speaker 2: we threw it back in their face and it really

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Speaker 2: really backfired on the FEDS. But you know, it also

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Speaker 2: created problems for us because they were very mad at us.

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Speaker 2: And eventually someone threw a hand grenade in the clubhouse,

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Speaker 2: and my suspicion was that it was a rogue atf agent.

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Speaker 2: The any of your viewers out there that's been in

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Speaker 2: the military knows that a hand grenade has a spoon

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Speaker 2: on it, and you pull a pin, you throw the

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Speaker 2: grenade and the spring puts the handle away from the

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Speaker 2: body of the grenade and sets the timer, and the

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Speaker 2: grenade went into the clubhouse, but the spoon.

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Speaker 3: Was laying in the doorway.

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Speaker 2: And what I did was I got the numbers off

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Speaker 2: the spoon, had a private investigator investigate where it came from,

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Speaker 2: and it was traced back to an armory in Akron, Ohio,

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Speaker 2: and that's the same town the ATF agents that were

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Speaker 2: making those accusations.

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Speaker 3: So you know, my thought was that they did it.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a retribution for making them look so

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Speaker 2: bad in the media. But you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: the ATF did it. I don't think it was a

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Speaker 2: director that came down from upper Exlon ATF agents. I

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Speaker 2: think it was two or three rogue agents. They took

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Speaker 2: had a couple of members really got injured bad. But no,

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Speaker 2: I thank.

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Speaker 3: God, Wow, wow.

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Speaker 1: You just don't miss it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't miss what I walked away from.

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Speaker 1: Are you comfortable being Are you comfortable being you now?

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Speaker 4: Where you can just you know, like it's like me,

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Speaker 4: I'm out of the scene now and I don't have

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Speaker 1: All the time anymore.

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Speaker 4: I can walk, I can talk to people who used

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Speaker 4: to be enemies, and I like that now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've experienced the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I mean sometimes I think about, you know,

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Speaker 2: going down to the clubhouse and hanging out with the guys.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's you know, I spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: time down there I spent forty years around the Hell's

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Speaker 2: walked away from it and I left it behind. But

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Speaker 2: like you say, I can walk into a restaurant and

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Speaker 2: I don't have to sit with my you know, facing

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Speaker 2: the door. I'm not worried about somebody doing something. I'm

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Seventy six years old. That's the door.

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Speaker 2: Well, she says, I still face the door, but there

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Speaker 2: are times I don't because that's that's a natural reaction.

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Speaker 3: To do it.

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Speaker 1: Is I still I still? I still do it too.

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Speaker 1: I have my I have my back to the wall.

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Speaker 1: Every time I'm in something.

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Speaker 2: I try to but but but there are times if

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Speaker 2: it's not available. I don't worry about it so much.

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Speaker 2: But I guess I better start worrying because now I

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Speaker 2: go out. Uh, some of the guys from.

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Speaker 1: Me down, did you did your wife ever think that?

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Speaker 4: Like, like, did she ever get to the point when

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Speaker 4: you know, when things were going down and you know,

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Speaker 4: like someone was doing, you know, shooting the lie that

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Speaker 4: you weren't going to come home, was there any things like,

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Speaker 4: you know, did you ever think that what you're put

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Speaker 4: in your family? I know, like you're in the zone

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Speaker 4: and you're in that it doesn't register sometimes, but now

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Speaker 4: you're out of it. Do you ever think what I

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Speaker 4: put my family through?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know I lost I lost a boy.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know, I my son.

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Speaker 3: George Christie the third, you know, he was part of it.

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Speaker 3: He died. Uh. You know, he went to jail. Uh.

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Speaker 2: The only reason they came after him was because they

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Speaker 2: couldn't get me. You know, uh my uh, my family

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Speaker 2: uh suffered. You know, there's no doubt about it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And can I I can apologize for it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. You know, I have no regrets. You know,

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Speaker 2: Certainly do that life all over again. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: how much I loved it. That's how much I was

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Speaker 2: into it. You know, I don't know about yourself, but

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Speaker 2: when you're in the zone and you're doing that stuff,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can only speak for myself. I

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Speaker 2: felt indestructible. I felt like nothing could destruct me. I

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Speaker 2: was invincible, and you know, I took a lot of chances.

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Speaker 2: I walked into other our enemy's territories and went and

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Speaker 3: I went and talked to Taco.

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Speaker 2: Bowman, who was I mean, a very dangerous guy, leader

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Speaker 2: of the Outlaws. You know, I went to his hotel

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Speaker 2: once unannounced, I found out where he was staying, just

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Speaker 2: do it because I was brave? I didn't think about that.

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Speaker 2: I just felt I was indestructible and I felt like

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Speaker 2: I could take myself into these situations and take myself

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Speaker 3: And do I feel that way now? You know, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. You know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel vulnerable. I'm just more cautious, I think

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Speaker 2: now you know I'm older.

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Speaker 4: Do you think when your son passed away, did you

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Speaker 4: ever think about that's it for me? Now that's no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Or did you or did you become more angry?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry I lost my son, but I wasn't

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Speaker 3: angry at anybody. You know.

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Speaker 2: It was medical reasons. You know, he wasn't murdered or anything.

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Speaker 2: It was just circumstances.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's life.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, you probably lost friends yourself, you know,

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Speaker 2: and you know you can get angry about.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that is is the fact that

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Speaker 4: because you put so much time into the club, did

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Speaker 4: you think that maybe, you know, if you didn't like

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Speaker 4: there's things like my grandfather. I was very close to

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Speaker 4: my grandfather. Yeah, and so when when I even though

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Speaker 4: thought he'll keep living. But then I don't need to

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Speaker 4: keep doing them phone calls.

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Speaker 1: I don't keep them. I don't need to show up there.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to do And then I think, and

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Speaker 4: And because I'm in my zone as we are there,

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Speaker 4: when we're you know, you're in the club, you look

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Speaker 4: back and go, maybe if i'd just fucking done that,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe fucking hell, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: what an idiot I should have just no, I wanted

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't second guess myself. You know, what what's done

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Speaker 2: is done, you know. And I don't do that. I

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Speaker 2: don't do hypothetical questions. I always get people right me.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I get like hundreds of messages a day,

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Speaker 2: and you know, they asked me all these hypothetical things.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't deal with hypothetical things.

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Speaker 3: And I just I deal reality and I have no regrets.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to glorify my life, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: apologizing for it either.

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Speaker 3: You know, it is what it is. I did it.

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Speaker 2: I you know, started at point A and wound up

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Speaker 2: at the end of the alphabet.

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Speaker 3: You know, I went all the way.

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Speaker 2: I didn't look back, and I think I would do

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Speaker 2: it again if I had the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: You know,