1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Good. Thanks so much for listening to the show. This 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: is Better than Yesterday. Useful tools and useful conversations to 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: help make your day to day better than yesterday. Every 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: episode in twenty thirteen. My ams Oosha Geinsburg. I am 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: a podcaster, I'm a recovering TV host, I'm a best 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: selling author, and I'm someone who's achilles tendon has decided 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: to explode again. So I am Limpy Mclimpington. Today. I'm 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: working on another book, book number three, and it's based 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: on conversations I've had on this podcast. So every day 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing research and going to make through the database 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: and I'm just uncovering solid gold. So I found some 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: stuff today I had to share with you. It's from 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: when doctor Sarah Woodhouse came on the show and we 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: spoke about her new book, You're Not Broken. I found 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: some absolute parenting gems that I had to share with 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: you today. Doctor Sarah Woodhouse is a traum expert, a psychologist. 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: She's got this incredible perspective on how pattern's behaviors and 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: even past traumas can shape the way we raise our kids. 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Three truly transformative ideas I found, certainly about the way 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: we parent, or might have been parented, and I really 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: wanted to share them with you, because, of course, you know, 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: parenting it's a journey filled with ups and downs. It's 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: easy to fall into the trap of self criticism when 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: things don't go as planned. Just two mornings ago, yesterday morning, 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: I raised my voice at my son with the you know, 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: the dog was barking, something was happening, this was going on, 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: and he was doing a thing I'd ask him four 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: times not to do, and then I used the voice 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: and he started crying. Fuck. I had to go make 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: it better. And it's easy to fall into that trap 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: of self criticism when things like that happen. But how 32 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: do we give ourselves a break? You might be tempted 33 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: to think giving ourselves a break feels like letting us 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: off the hook or letting down our kids because we 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: don't you know whatever. But it turns out it's actually 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: good for us and good for our kids as well, 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: especially when we know we've stuffed up, we've raised that 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: voice when we should have, we've forgotten them at the 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: swing pool or whatever is Sarah's opinion. Getting angry yourself 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: might feel like the right thing to do, but it 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: is it, So what. 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: Is just nothing but self compassion? Because we're human and 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: that's part of it, you know, I would say that's 44 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: the first point, is always self compassion. If you come 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: at it with anything other than that, you are going 46 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: to exacerbate an already uncomfortable situation and you're going to 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: get kind of stuck in the reaction. Compassion pulls us 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: out of the traumatic reaction. Self compassion pulls us out 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: of it. In a critic stuff, real self hatred keeps 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 2: us in it. So self compassion is always the first step. 51 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: And in terms of practical tools, there are so many ways, 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: and I would say it depends what it is we 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: find ourselves repeating. But very often it's about learning to 54 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: be present, you know, learning to be more present, learning 55 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: to be with our feelings. And usually or often, if 56 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: we can kind of strengthen that mechanism of being able 57 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: to be present and really allow our feelings and be 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: with them, we over time can avoid more or better 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: at avoiding those kind of patterns and loops. But there 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: are so many different ways we can break the patterns. 61 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: When I was going back and listening to that, it 62 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: was so wonderful to be reminded of it self. Compassion 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: isn't a luxury, it's a necessity of being kinder to ourselves. 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: We can give us a little more space to break 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: through your negative cycles that we might be unknowingly repeating, 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: but also model healthier behaviors for our kids, because that's 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: what it's all about. They learn what you show them. 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: Where I, as parents, we often worry that we might 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: unintentionally pass some things onto our kids. And this a 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: little bit I wanted to play you. Dr Woodhouse discusses 71 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: how not only how kids mirror what they see in us, 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: but why doing our own inner work is essential to 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: breaking those generational cycles. And I also love this bit 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: because even though she's an expert, even though she's someone 75 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: who studied this stuff and deals with with you know, 76 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: clinic all the time, even she struggles with it. 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: I've got three kids and they are just copying me. 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: And there's been moments, so my eldest is eight, got eight, 79 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: six and three, and they have been very, very painful 80 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: moments where I have realized that inadvertently I am passing 81 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: on my trauma to them. And my response and the 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: response I tell everyone is a So this compassion piece like, 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: it's okay, You're only human, You're doing your best. We 84 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: can only do this when we can do it, and 85 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: b I do my work. I do what I need 86 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: to do. So most recently, I'm working with an incredible 87 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: somatic therapist, so by learning how to kind of regulate 88 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: my body better, I'm helping them regulate. So I'm doing 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: my work. I'm processing. It's all we can do. Yeah, 90 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: do you work, do what you need to do. And 91 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: I know that. I don't know, maybe that sounds overwhelming 92 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: to people, but it's also incredibly healing. The growth that 93 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: I have experience from being a parent is well, I 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: can't even express it. And it has been so painful, 95 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: so incredibly painful. But I have always committed to the 96 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: idea of parenting consciously and therefore not shying away when 97 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: I see that they're replicating a certain behavior or copying 98 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 2: a pattern of mine, not shying away from it, calling 99 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: a spade a spade, and then doing the work I 100 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: need to do to heal myself and trust that as 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: I heal, they'll get the mother that they need. 102 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Self awareness sounds like such a thing you might need 103 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: to buy a Liden shirt to be able to be 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: a part of But it's just noticing. So I talk 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: about it all the time. It's just important to notice, 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: just notice what's going on with us that's interesting, and 107 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: focus on what we can do about it, What can 108 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: we do that leads us towards being the kind of 109 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: parent who want to be. Growth as well as the 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: growth and development of our kids. We've got to focus 111 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: on air growth as well, because when we address our 112 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: own pat we can create a healthier environment for our 113 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: kids to thrive in. I do need to take an 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: ad break in a moment. There's this other part I 115 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: found I wanted to write about, but I wanted to 116 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: share it with you first. Will we're getting a sneak preview. 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: It's this inside about trauma and what you can do 118 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: about the fact that inevitably your child is going to 119 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: be traumatized. Back in a moment, Thanks for listening to 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: the show. Just before we get to the last part 121 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: with Sarah, a quick reminder if you're liking the show, 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: please like, subscribe, rate, follow, share it. Just give this 123 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: to somebody, Share it with somebody. There's a link in 124 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: the show notes that'll take you to the newsletter because 125 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: the email's going out regularly now, thank goodness, and also 126 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: tickets to story Club. The next show is in April. 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: The YouTube channel is live twenty four to seven. All 128 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: that stuff is in the show notes. But Sarah, doctor 129 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Sarah Woodhouse, sorry first name, but it's been to doctor 130 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: Sarah Woodhouse. She has this really powerful way of talking 131 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: about trauma, because trauma is an unavoidable part of life. 132 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: It's going to happen to all of us. But how 133 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: we respond to it that can make all the difference, 134 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: not only for us but for our kids. Because it's 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable truth to realize that, just like when we 136 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: were kids, our own children are going to get folded 137 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: in half by life. Sometimes it's painful. It's the thing 138 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: that made me weep. As soon as I found out 139 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: we were pregnant. Audrey held me. I was like, what 140 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: if I can't protect him from the you know, and 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: she said, that's that's the job. That's our job is 142 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: to help him manage that. She's right, okay. And what 143 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: Sarah has to say about how parents can help their 144 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: children process difficult experiences in a way that Foster's resilience 145 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: and Foster's growth in that space is just so powerful 146 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: and that if we work at it, we can turn 147 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: those challenges into opportunities, not just for healing, but for growth. 148 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: Trauma is part of life, and our kids are going 149 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: to experience it. They most likely already have. And as 150 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: a parent, although I understand that that concept is deeply 151 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: frightening for a lot of people, trauma is part of life. 152 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: It's part of being human. So accepting that our kids 153 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: are not only going to feel pain in their lives, 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: but they are going to experience traumatic reactions is really key, 155 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: and I firmly believe, really I get tinglers. I say 156 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: that because I feel so passionate about it. The trauma 157 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: itself is not the problem, Okay, that our reaction is 158 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: often the problem. It's okay. We can't and we mustn't 159 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: be afraid of these life events because they are part 160 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: of life. What we need to all learn to do 161 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: is how to hold ourselves and our kids and anyone 162 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: else we love through them. So it's our reaction that matters. 163 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: So it's learning, as you say, how to respond to 164 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: our kids if we notice they've gone or potentially could 165 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: have a traumatic reaction. So as a parent, we're always 166 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: searching for the cleverest thing to say, it's not about that. Validate, 167 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: say what you see, say what they're feeling. Don't try 168 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: and fix, don't try and maneuver, don't try and coerce, 169 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: don't certainly, don't belittle, don't dismiss, you know, just say 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: what you see. 171 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot there. I mean, just listening to the 172 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: way she spoke, I'm reflecting on my own childhood and 173 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: also the way that I've been a stepfather and a father. 174 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: So you know that one's going to need to sit 175 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: in the back of the brain for a while while 176 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: you're going, you know, play pickleball or ping pong or 177 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: pollo or any other sport that does with peak. But 178 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: in my opinion, those three things that I played for 179 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: you today, they really focus on this idea that I'm 180 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: writing about, is that when you're parenting set parenting, or 181 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: parenting or whatever kind of parenting, when you're parenting, the 182 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: child isn't the only person that grows. Our kids aren't 183 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: the only ones that are growing up. Parenting is as 184 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: much about her own growth as it is about raising 185 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: our children and helping them grow and hearing somebody who 186 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: is has learned and experience experienced as doctor Sarah Woodhouse 187 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: talk about that, the power of self compassion, the importance 188 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: of modeling healthy behavior, the value of trying to respond 189 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: to learning to respond more often thoughtfully respond to life's challenges. 190 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: It's a good reminder that we can make the lives 191 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: of our kids better, and we can improve the lives 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: of our kids if we improve the way we go 193 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: about things. First, it's a tough thing to hear, but 194 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: it's true. I hope you enjoyed this. I hope it 195 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: was valuable to you. If you want to get in touch, 196 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: you can find all the links in the show notes. 197 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Thanks to Damian Haalfing 198 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: the New Producers episode Cassidy Creevy my ea who helps 199 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: the trains run on dime and everything else. AH see 200 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: you back here Wednesday,