WEBVTT - Hayley Vernon: How OnlyFans Ruined My Life... 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.680 Hello, and welcome back to the Maths Funny podcast and 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.600 also to the Josh and Stefano side podcast series, because 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 this episode today covers both of these things. So last 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.880 night I caught up with Hailey Vernon, who many of 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:17.200 you may remember as the outspoken and unfiltered bride from 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.599 season seven of Married at First Sight, and some of 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:22.800 you may also know her as one of the first 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.800 MATHS brides, not just to join only fans like four 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.520 or five years ago, when it was this new thing 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.720 that everyone was kind of judging and shocked about, but 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.360 she was so proud and open about the fact she 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.960 was on there, and she continued being so proud and 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.800 open about the fact that she progressed from selling topless 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.800 pictures to then soft content with other people, to eventually 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.040 hardcore upon and becoming a high class escort. But what 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.839 you will hear in this episode is that pride that 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.560 she had and was so open about as she boasted 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.560 about this career. It was all fake and she was pretending. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.120 And I wanted to catch up with Hailey in this 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.920 episode for two reasons. Firstly, because over the last year 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.480 and a half, not only has she quit the industry 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.440 and found God, and a new purpose in her life. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.520 But she's now so against that world, and she has 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.200 so much regret, and she wants to speak out to 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.679 highlight the real impact that job had on her at 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.760 a time when sex work is becoming more and more 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.800 normalized in the media, and I suppose society, so many 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.920 people do glamorize how much they're making on there, and 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.760 they both have becoming rich and famous and showing off, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.000 you know, their designer bags and mansions and all that. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.080 But Hailey really wants people to know the actual reality 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.720 of doing that job. And secondly, as I'm now faced 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.399 with this dilemma in my own personal life, as I 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.120 figure out if I can accept my partner Stefano doing 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.760 OnlyFans as a job and him having to sleep with 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.840 other people for his content, I wanted to get Hailey's 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.720 thoughts on this as a friend and also as someone 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.400 who been for and against that industry and knows it 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.680 more than like, well, probably most people. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.280 Before I do play out our chat. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.760 Though, just for a bit more background context, I've been 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.200 friends with Hailey for years now. I met her as 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.160 she was filming her season. I then started helping her 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.280 out with media stuff. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:17.919 I was doing. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:22.040 Paparazzi pictures of her, We're doing articles for the Daily Mail, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.160 And I remember as her season wrapped on TV, she 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.800 actually asked me, do you think I should join OnlyFans? 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.639 And I said, go for it, like if you're comfortable. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.960 She'd done topless waitressing in her past years before that, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.320 and those pictures had kind of started to leak, and 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.800 you know, that content was out there, so it was like, well, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.160 if you can make money, now, why not. And I've 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.440 always been so pro any kind of sex work. And 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.480 I think if someone can make money off their body 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.800 in a way they're comfortable doing, then great, And especially 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.320 women who you know, often grow up being shamed for 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.840 their bodies and being treated as objects. Like if they 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.960 can and flip that script almost and profit from the 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.679 thing that men are gonna objectify regardless, then good on them. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.880 And as Hailey's adult career progressed. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.760 Over the years she was doing that work, there was 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.080 a time I even filmed some scenes for her. I 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.000 would edit some of her content. I was still helping 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.359 with media to promote her as a famous escort, and 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.160 I was even there as her day at the Adult 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.520 Industry Choice Awards when she won Best Newcomer Female pond 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.320 start in twenty twenty two, and I always believe that 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.200 she truly loved what she was doing and she was 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.440 so proud of it. And since she quit the industry, 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:42.080 we haven't actually had this chat until now. Hello, Hailey Vernon, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.840 how are you? I'm very good. How are you doing on. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.280 Good with creating controversy on the internet. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.000 Yeah, I'm having a minor life crisis and I'm turning 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.400 to you as a friend in need. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.960 I'm here for you, for you. What was I going 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:57.440 to say to you? 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:03.280 Was that real that you plus stood about consoling Stefano? 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.040 Was that yesterday that that happened? Was it like in 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:06.600 real time? 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.080 Yeah? 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.440 That everything you've just watched was yesterday. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:10.920 Okay, cool. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.360 So he broke down after seeing the comments about work. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.680 Yeah, I think like he's proud of like, you know, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.640 he's not ashamed of doing only fans his family. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:22.760 No. 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.080 His friend was like, he's made a good income and 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.120 a life for himself. But I think he's never really 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.080 had any negativity attached to it until now and seeing 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.880 that in the dynamic of you know, it's not just 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.279 him as a creator, it's him as a creator now 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.360 in a relationship. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.520 Yeah, yeah, which is like a whole different kettle of fish. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:42.800 Yeah. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.360 And he went into this project with me thinking his 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.320 partner would just have to accept it, you know, because 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:53.600 that's his income. And I think he's slowly challenging that 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.800 fart And you know, I've only known the guy almost 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.640 three weeks. That you can't do that overnight. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.120 It's funny because when I was a and creator, I 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.279 had the same expectation as what Stefano had that I 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.679 would find someone and then they'd have to be okay 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.400 with it, because work is work and a sexualized relationship 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.880 with love in it is different, two different things. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:17.280 Right, And then it just doesn't work like that. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:22.440 And looking back on it, I just realized how selfish 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.200 I was normalizing something that just isn't normal. And our 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:31.719 society has gone so far over to one extreme, this 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:39.800 like hyper sexualization of making an income from sexual activity 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.719 so normal that it's. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.159 Kind of like this woke mentality. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.200 I'm trying to put it into words, but we've gone 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.800 so far over where we're expecting these out of the ordinary, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:56.240 very not normal situations to be looked at as like normality. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.440 And it's a hell of a lot of pressure for 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.719 someone else on the other side to put up with. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.320 And it also like it pushes a lot of trauma 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.839 onto the other person as well, and it just I 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.760 think it minimizes. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.920 The person that's coming into. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.080 The relationship exactly like how they how they're feeling, and 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:16.840 what they're going through. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.479 And just like I kind of see it as selfish. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:20.600 Yeah, Like. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.760 I get that, and I would say if I knew 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.760 this about and beforehand, it would be selfish. But you know, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.039 because of how we were much it's not like I 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.960 made that choice. And now I'm like, no, change your 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:36.680 whole life. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.160 And you know, you don't expect someone to change their 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.599 whole life either, and like I wouldn't have when like 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.440 guys approached me, I was the same Stefan and I 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.360 was like, oh, well, I don't know all the ins 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.640 and outs of what he said to you, but I 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.720 was like, I'm not changing, you know what I'm doing. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.000 This is what i'm doing. I'm empowered by it. I'm 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.200 making an income. And then now I've like seen it 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.080 on the on the other foot, and I'm just like 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.960 it was Yeah, I just I just feel like it's 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.080 and it's not that Stefano or myself were in positions 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.720 where we couldn't do other things. 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.200 Are we normalizing the fact that this is a quick, 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:12.840 easy buck. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.360 I think, like in the chats I've had with him, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.800 like he, you know, coming here from Argentina, he would 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:18.120 have to. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.760 Study a lot to be a lawyer here, Like he. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.520 Was at home and he his friends who are also 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.840 from South America, like you know, they're just doing casual, 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.600 bad jobs waiting and he's like, I don't want to 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.320 go back to that, Like I look at the lifestyle 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:37.160 this has afforded me, Like he's questioning if he steps away, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.960 what does he do because if he gets the jobs 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.720 like his friends have got, you know, he's incomes, what 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.760 of what he's making now, I assume, and he can't afford, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:45.800 you know, to live on his own. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.240 And yeah, there's a lot at touched to him. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.680 Yeah, there's there's there's a lot of balance out, but 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.480 there's also a lot of options, Like this doesn't need 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.520 to be a long term thing. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.240 Is he planning on doing this forever? 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.600 No, he says it's not forever, but he's not really 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.600 far about the logistics of that. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.680 Yeah, I suppose, like I don't know in my position 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.960 if I really loved someone, then I'd make a gain 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.440 plan out of it, because the love would supersede the monetary. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.640 Value of what I'm doing. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.400 You know, it kind of depends where he wants to 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.480 go with this and how far in the relationship he is. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.360 What was it like for you, because obviously, just to 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.560 let the listeners know, like our backstory, I'm at you 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.160 when you were filming Maths, which is good. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.360 Was six years ago? Now was it ag fucking then? Yeah? 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.600 You know we were working together doing media stuff and 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.320 then you join only fans and you know you started 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.720 off topless like everyone else. Then it progressed and progressed, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.160 and then I was there blooty next year when you 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.400 won't best New come upon star at the Adult. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.880 Also also filmed some in hotel room one night. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.720 Yes I did tell you going down on a woman, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.960 but like I got to know that world for you, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.120 and like I remember when I filmed you and Tori 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.320 have sad and like we're all giggling in between, and 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.800 like I saw it was just acting. It wasn't like 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.840 intimate sex that I do have with my partner, you know, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:14.080 Like so I differentiate like that because of what I 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.160 learned through you essentially. But then in the times in 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:18.959 the last year or so, when we've not really spoken, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.160 you've gone off and you've like done a full three 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:23.480 sixty one eighty. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.800 Oh, you've done a bit of both. Started off as 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.320 a one eighty and got to a three sixty. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.720 Yeah, because you started up Pond and then it was 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.840 like extreme Pond, like you're going around Eastern Europe, like 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.600 you're on worldwide tours as a Pond start and you're 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.720 doing the escort and then you're making so much money 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.600 and you always felt, well, you always said you were 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.160 so empowered and proud of it and not ashamed, And 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.120 then so. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.160 I think I was I was lying to myself, Josh. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.840 I was sitting in this decision. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:53.680 No, I don't. 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:55.760 I don't know if anyone of the dreams of being 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.160 a sex worker do they. I honestly believe, sitting back 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.280 and looking at it now, that people do it because 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.960 like Stefano, they're so desperate for cash. At one specific 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.480 point and coming off the back of the TV show, 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.640 I couldn't go back into my career as a finance 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.120 broker and I was going to lose everything. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.240 So I started off. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.920 As you like you said, with the topless photos and whatnot, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.800 and then that progressed quite rapidly, and it was a 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.600 slippery slope, and I kept trying to justify it to 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.280 myself because of the money that I was being made 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.959 and slowly seen by seeing movie by movie, the more 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.120 people that I slept with, I became so deattached from 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.559 who I was as a human. And the thing is 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.040 is that you know, we can talk about this empowerment 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.000 and put a lot of self in it, but it 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.720 is just that it's acting. And you start acting so 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.160 much that you forget actually who you are and what 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.080 your values are, and. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.199 The line becomes quite blurred. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.760 Now I'm talking on behalf of myself, but I'm also 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.719 talking from a perspective where I've seen. 0:10:58.960 --> 0:10:59.120 Lot. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.080 I don't want to say low level sex workers. That 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.360 there's a spectrum to everything. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.560 Right, You've got your low tier moneymakers and just the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.400 stats on Only Fans, I think it's the average creator 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.200 makes between one hundred and fifty to five hundred dollars 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:14.679 a month. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.720 People aren't killing it on Only fans, right, And. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.319 It's the most over glorified platform. And you know, I 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.920 paid a part. I played a part in that, but 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.840 you start acting so much and becoming this character that 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.760 isn't you, that you actually forget to be you. And 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.199 then when it comes to interacting in everyday life and 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:40.040 normal conversations, you actually start getting riddled with anxiety and 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:44.040 fear because you're so used to standing on something that 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.000 is so far removed from who God has caused you 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.400 to be and who you were made to be, that 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.200 you just don't have a firm foundation anymore. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.640 That Yeah, that's crazy hearing you say that and reaching 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.280 that point. And it's interesting because I feel like every 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.600 year when we get new maths, people are new celebrities, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.480 or anyone joins only funds, the first thing they seem 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:06.000 to do is. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.720 Boast about how much they've made. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.840 And I've always felt that is just them trying to 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.720 just to fight to themselves and like get validation from 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.920 the people who are you know, judging them, being like, well, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.520 yeah I'm doing this, but look I've just made twenty 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:22.320 grand this month. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.400 The money is great. Like, don't get me wrong. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.080 When you first start, like you know, I went from 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.400 absolutely busting my balls quite frankly, like at a normal 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.320 nine to five job, walking overtime on the phone on emails, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.440 you know, as a finance broker, to having extidential amounts 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.520 of money hitting my account that you know, I could 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:40.800 never have fathomed. 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:40.800 You know. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.720 So it's great at the start, but everything comes at 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.520 a cost. It comes at a cost, and it comes 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.720 at a cost personally. You lose yourself. You end up 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.600 losing your identity. You become so deattached from the normal 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.080 world that, like I said, you just you forget the 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.720 value of a dollar and it doesn't last. It's the 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.000 tree projectory is so steep and so fast, and it 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.160 comes down quite quickly as well. Now, like I said, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:07.920 I was on the other end of the scale. So 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.480 that's not your average kind of creator. And now Sofano 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.720 is in a position where I don't know like his 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.480 whole story, but just say, for instance, he's going for 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.320 pr they're going to do like background checks, so I 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.760 don't know what his case is. Or you know, let's 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.080 talk about the average woman or the average male that 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.520 is on the platform as well. They go in, they're 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.720 going hard and fast, they get money that they haven't 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.679 had before. Then they start having all these problems. They 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:37.439 might start drinking to deal with what's going Actually going on, 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.560 you know, because they've been forced into a position that 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.200 they generally don't want to go in. And I'm not 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.040 saying that everyone has substance abuse issues, but then that 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.800 comes crashing down. You then have to step back into 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.000 the public eye. Now I've had conversations with you before, Joshua, 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.960 I was like, no, that's okay, Like I'm and this 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.680 is going to sound so big headed, but this is 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:56.600 what I actually thought. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.040 I thought, Oh, well, you know, I've been on a 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:58.680 TV show. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.680 Everyone knows what I do, so I'll be able to 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.360 step back into the normal workplace and no one will care. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.360 Well, they do care. Society does care. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.000 It's not I what was I going to write on 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:12.760 a resume that I've been doing? 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.080 And then everyone knows and most employees these days will 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.520 jump on Google and do a search. Everything is up there. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.560 It's taken me nineteen months to just get my videos 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:29.480 of porn Hub now only fans. The video content is 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:34.400 not copyrighted purely to OnlyFans, so my pornography is all 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.000 over the world. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.120 Now, this isn't something. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.480 That I went into naive and thought, oh I knew 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.560 this was going to happen. But to the extent that 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.040 it was going to happen and it was going to 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:43.640 damage me. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:46.760 I totally underestimated. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.080 And you know, this is someone like myself, who is 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.960 known and in some regard has a little bit more 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.560 leeway when going into industry because it is so public. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:03.200 But your average Joe, average person, that is just so detrimental, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.080 you know, unless you do crack that top tier, which 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:12.880 most people don't. But even then, like myself, I struggled. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.520 I left, had to get a job, you know. And 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.560 there's nothing against the job that I'm about to say, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.560 but I had to work at a call center at twenty 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.160 nine dollars an hour when I first left, just because 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.480 I would rather flip burgers and do a job like 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.480 that as opposed to putting so much of myself out 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.480 there for every single other person. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.680 Yeah, I mean, a job's a job, isn't it. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.720 Like amen, And but that's that's the thing that I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.400 say to all these girls, and I say to like 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.600 guys like Stefano, like. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.480 The statistics are just crazy. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.160 It's like, you know, only fans creators over between one 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.440 hundred and fifty to one hundred and eighty dollars per month. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.680 The approximate monthly income is one thy eight hundred to 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:58.920 two thousand annually annually, right, So that's actually below the 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:04.600 medium Australia wage. So are we're exploiting ourselves for a 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.840 quick win that doesn't become a quick win which is 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.320 so detrimental you'll probably not be able to step foot 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.240 into a job where you could get minimum wage. Or 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.120 are you willing to just like flip a burger or 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.000 do something or is it your ego and your pride 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.680 where you just won't do anything that you would prefer 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.640 to put so much of yourself out there at the 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.040 cost of yourself and others, that you take such a 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.400 risk that's going to be following you around forever. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:31.520 Do you think two points? 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.680 Firstly, do you think though employers and like you know, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.840 back in the real world, people are more accepting now 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.360 because it has become so normalized. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:47.160 No, no, absolutely not, absolutely not. I think for like 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.760 the younger generations, sure it's become more accepting, but they're 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.960 not your bosses, they're not your employers. They don't want 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.480 their customers looking up and finding out things. It's hard 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.200 to get a proper job or to unless you're the 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:06.720 social media space or you're in radio media, maybe marketing 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:13.160 of some sorts in that really niche kind of. It's 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.080 the most employees and most business owners are of an 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.520 older demographic, or it's not as normalized as what people 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.720 think it is. And I am just yeah, I'm just 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.520 extremely sorry and apologetics that I played a part in 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.359 glorifying it, because porn shouldn't. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.399 Be made normal. And this isn't me shaming. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.840 Sex workers, like sex work is work, but people like 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.399 myself who have come out the other end also have 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.240 an obligation to say it exactly what it is. It 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:48.360 is soul destroying. It breaks families, it ruins marriages. Pornography 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:54.639 it is so like so self centered. My younger sister, 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.919 members of my family to this day still get grief 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.960 through what my actions, and they'll probably continue to get 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.080 that for the next ten years. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.400 Did you could you sorry? You just said so? You've 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.040 taken that call center job I was at last year? Like, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.360 did you face any like prejudice discrimination? Did you when 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.240 you were applying for that and going through that process 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:15.159 like ensery. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.960 I applied Josh for I think over probably two hundred 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.719 and fifty three hundred jobs. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.719 Wow, I got to I got two calls. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.760 People knew my name, they knew who I was, and 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.879 I was just willing to do anything. I just knew 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.800 that I didn't want to go back to what I 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.919 went in. I ended up getting a job. I got 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:39.320 got it for two days, and then my accreditation for 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.520 what I'm currently doing at the moment came through. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.720 But I have absolutely busted myself since. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.320 The day that I left to never go back and 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.320 to never have it as a safety net, because it's 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:56.639 not a safety net for me personally. I actually think 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.720 it's entrapment, right because people get stack in this like 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.200 loophole and they have this like carrot of money dangled 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.080 in front of them, and then it really cuts off. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.199 Your other avenues and it also isolates you. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.360 Yeah, it's like a quick win for a long time. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.440 It's kind it's kind of like drugs, right, like you 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.840 for anyone that's listening, it's going on drugs. You get 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.879 on the drugs, it's all happy, but you have to 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.239 keep going to maintain that kind of high, right, and 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.680 then it cuts you off from like your surroundings. It's 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.679 it's heavily toxic in my opinion, and. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:35.600 Like that high. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.359 Now as more and more people are on these platforms 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.399 like only Fans, He's getting harder to reach, like you 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.520 see in you know, when we were starting your Only 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.240 Fans and I was helping you in media, you know, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.639