WEBVTT - Bonus: Tim Tully Joins Us For Probe The PoPo

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<v Speaker 1>Well, good morning Melbourne. It is just gone seventeen away.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomiroles Smith there, you're on the air with Jason Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>Clint's here as well. Very special one of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Jason Lawrence, tell me what you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We love the Victorian Police. We catch up with different

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<v Speaker 1>areas of the cops. I went diving with the water Police.

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<v Speaker 1>We normally have Cheesy, our resident friendly cop in Today

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<v Speaker 1>we've got his boss, commanded. Tim Tully's joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>the YIR Good Morning team.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning morning to him. Thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 4>You've had a lot of silverware on your shoulders.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a heavy burden a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye, you've got a big job, don't you.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking after Cheesey. Yes, he's a great lad. He is

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<v Speaker 3>a good man che he really is.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're excited to have a big dog commander.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big day here in Victoria. We've heard a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about the machete band which comes into place at

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<v Speaker 2>midday in the wake of what was quite distressing scenes

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<v Speaker 2>at Northland at the weekend. A Victoria Police ready for

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<v Speaker 2>this machete ban.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, as ready as we can be in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>the interim ban. So as of midday today there's an

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<v Speaker 5>interim ban on the sale of machetes, which is effective

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<v Speaker 5>right across the state. That's a complete ban on the

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<v Speaker 5>sale of machetes from midday. As I said, it's certainly

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<v Speaker 5>an interim ban until the permanent legislation is introduced and

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<v Speaker 5>permanent ban comes into effect on the firstest.

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<v Speaker 1>What would be the difference then when the permanent band

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<v Speaker 1>comes in.

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<v Speaker 5>Certainly the legislation comes into effect on the first of September,

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<v Speaker 5>so the interim ban, we hope, will choke the immediate

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<v Speaker 5>supply of machetes and hopefully prevent some of those getting

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<v Speaker 5>out onto the street at the moment in preparation for

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<v Speaker 5>the legislation that's introduced in them versus September.

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<v Speaker 6>So, as police officers, does this just give you an

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<v Speaker 6>extra thing to do to go around to all those

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<v Speaker 6>stores that are selling them and make sure they're doing

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<v Speaker 6>the right thing and they're not selling them.

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<v Speaker 5>My understanding is that the enforcement in that space we

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<v Speaker 5>have retailers that are selling machetes in defiance of the

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<v Speaker 5>interim ban, that will be something for the Consumer Affairs

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<v Speaker 5>Task Force to look into. So the enforcement activities will

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<v Speaker 5>be carried out by them, But that certainly will not

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<v Speaker 5>stop the police looking or continuing to target people who

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<v Speaker 5>are carrying machees.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not police going door to door. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be consumer affairs Victoria.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it absolutely?

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<v Speaker 6>Which is good because you have enough on your plate.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't need to be policing what's happening in retail store.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's correct, and certainly we will assist where we can,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's consumer affairs taskles that.

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<v Speaker 4>We listen to that Do you think this is going

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<v Speaker 4>to make a difference.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope it will make a difference. And certainly anything

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<v Speaker 5>we can do to choke the supply and stem the

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<v Speaker 5>supply and flow of machetes or large deeds weapons out

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<v Speaker 5>into the street is a step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 6>Because when we see things like what happened at Northland

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<v Speaker 6>and you hear stories about it being a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 6>old kid or a sixteen year old kid. Are those

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<v Speaker 6>kids currently allowed to go into a retail store and

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<v Speaker 6>buy a machete?

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<v Speaker 3>Can? No? No? I mean so they've got.

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<v Speaker 6>Them, they've acquired them illegally anyway, Absolutely so, is it

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<v Speaker 6>is this the right step forward?

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<v Speaker 5>Look, it is a step in the right direction in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of trying to stem the flow. Most certainly, we

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<v Speaker 5>look forward to the permanent band that comes into effect

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<v Speaker 5>on the first September and the range of other changes

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<v Speaker 5>to the legislation that will also asist.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a step in the right direction, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's better than nothing, Tim Commander, This is quite personal

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<v Speaker 1>to me because I was involved in quite a violent

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<v Speaker 1>crime about a year and a half ago. If someone

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<v Speaker 1>lost their life and I can finally talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to on the show tomorrow, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>been quite frustrated with how long this has taken, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine you guys must.

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<v Speaker 3>Be just as frustrated. Look, why don't things get turned

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<v Speaker 3>around quicker? Look, it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose with any issue that issues, there are a

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<v Speaker 5>number of factors and issues that need to be considered

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<v Speaker 5>before we make wholesale changes to legislation. It certainly is

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<v Speaker 5>a welcome change. The legislation that comes to effect later

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<v Speaker 5>this year is a welcome change. You know, it can

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<v Speaker 5>be frustrat but you know, we have to make certain

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<v Speaker 5>that any changes to the legislation that are made, we're

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<v Speaker 5>factored in all the different stakeholders and all the different permutations.

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<v Speaker 5>So we don't cause other issues as a direct result.

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<v Speaker 2>There is already so much which is driven underground. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you concerned that knives, machetes, violent weapons will be driven

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<v Speaker 2>underground by this bent Look.

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<v Speaker 3>It's possible that will occur.

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<v Speaker 5>I think if you look at the classification of machetes

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<v Speaker 5>under the new legislation, it puts them in the sphere

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<v Speaker 5>of a prohibited weapon. There are a control weapon at

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<v Speaker 5>the moment, and without getting into the definitions, that's where

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<v Speaker 5>they will end up, certainly with a prohibited weapon. If

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<v Speaker 5>you do not have an exemption, you cannot bring into Victoria,

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<v Speaker 5>you cannot cause to be brought in Victoria. You cannot manufacture,

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<v Speaker 5>you cannot display or sell a prohibited weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was just gonn as when we talking about machetes,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're ining this conversation off the air yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>What's classed as a machete?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I say, I wouldn't even know what a machete, hunting.

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<v Speaker 3>Knives, all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I think a machete will have a definition in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of the length of the blade, and certainly what

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen what traditionally I think you know when I

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<v Speaker 5>was growing up, but I was around. Machete was at

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<v Speaker 5>a certain size and shape, and what you've seen in

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<v Speaker 5>recent times, they've certainly become you know, very very far

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<v Speaker 5>removed from what we were traditionally called a machete that

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<v Speaker 5>perhaps could be used in some form of employment. Certainly

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<v Speaker 5>they're gaining popularity online sales and the like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know the styles.

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<v Speaker 4>Of being sold online as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's an area that will need to be

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<v Speaker 3>looked at.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone's caught with the machete as of mid day to

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<v Speaker 2>day on the streets, the clearly shouldn't have one.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>What recourse do you have?

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<v Speaker 5>So if someone today is found in possession of a

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<v Speaker 5>machete on the streets, it is still a controlled weapon

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<v Speaker 5>and they must have a reasonable excuse to actually do that.

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<v Speaker 5>So they must carry it in a secure manner that

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<v Speaker 5>is consistent with the lawful excuse. So a lawful excuse

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<v Speaker 5>will be lawful employment. It could be a sport or

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<v Speaker 5>a lawful recreation, or could be a legitimate display or collection.

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<v Speaker 5>It is most certainly not for self defense.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you arrest someone for having someone or do you

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<v Speaker 6>confiscate it if they've got it for the wrong reasons?

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<v Speaker 4>What powers to the police.

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<v Speaker 5>So I certainly there may be arrest powers there. Certainly

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<v Speaker 5>we can confiscate that. Certainly there are some search powers,

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<v Speaker 5>so we need to believe in reasonable grounds and possession.

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<v Speaker 5>There are other powers in terms of any search warrants

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<v Speaker 5>that we may have or if it's in a designated

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<v Speaker 5>area where we can actually search without reasonable.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is.

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<v Speaker 2>The first type of it's you know, the first ban

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<v Speaker 2>of its type in Australia. Remember the gun amnesty going

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<v Speaker 2>back into the nineties. This akin to the gun amnesty.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it could be in a way, So there's

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<v Speaker 5>a I think if you're going to have an amnesty,

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<v Speaker 5>then what you need to put in place.

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<v Speaker 4>What's an amnesty?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you're basically in the way of the Port Arthur

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<v Speaker 2>mat Yeah, hand and you get exactly handing into the

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<v Speaker 2>guns that you.

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<v Speaker 5>Can do that obviously without comitting an offense. So to

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<v Speaker 5>actually do that you need the infrastructure and the processes

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<v Speaker 5>in place, and you need to be able to communicate

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<v Speaker 5>that to the community so they can actually attend a

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<v Speaker 5>place lawfully carrying it to actually hand it in. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't want people, you know, at the moment walking

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<v Speaker 5>into police stations with machines and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>We need, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, we need you made a plan and it must

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<v Speaker 6>be hard for you guys when things like this come

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<v Speaker 6>in so quickly, because there's been some criticism of the

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<v Speaker 6>Victorian government that this is a knee jerk reaction and

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<v Speaker 6>it's a band aid and it's actually putting the police

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<v Speaker 6>under more pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I think it's in our nature to pivot in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of the changes that come in as best we

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<v Speaker 5>possibly can. We understand that these things take time. But again,

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<v Speaker 5>I think the band today is a step in the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, team, you guys are working around the clock and

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<v Speaker 1>I know you spread thin already. Thank you for the

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<v Speaker 1>job you guys do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you do an amazing job. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 4>and just quickly.

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<v Speaker 6>It must be frustrating when I know, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>outraged at these kids that were allegedly in this fighting

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<v Speaker 6>at Northland were out on bail, that you guys basketballs

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<v Speaker 6>to go and arrest them again and then they get

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<v Speaker 6>some of them get released back into the community. Do

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<v Speaker 6>you sometimes just put your hand in the air and go,

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<v Speaker 6>what are we doing this for?

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I think the new bail laws are certainly assisting

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<v Speaker 5>it's a step in the right direction. Again, it's certainly

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<v Speaker 5>made a difference, and we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Seen that, so you have seen that it's made a

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<v Speaker 4>different rebsolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>And I appreciate that our members sometimes get frustrated, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think they're very passionate about what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely otherwise they wouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't we just go back to the eighties where can

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<v Speaker 1>be like I've lost of the keys to the paddy

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<v Speaker 1>wagon they left to stay in there.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't work. That doesn't work like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just very quickly, why are we seeing an explosion in

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<v Speaker 2>these violent attacks at shopping centers? Well, why do you

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<v Speaker 2>think the gangs are going to public places like this?

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<v Speaker 5>That's a really good question and I wish I knew

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<v Speaker 5>the answer. So certainly, when we have these types of incidents,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's fair to say that they're not common.

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<v Speaker 5>But when we do have them, quite clearly they're in

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<v Speaker 5>a public environment and they impact on the community who

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<v Speaker 5>are just going about their business. It's very sad to

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<v Speaker 5>think that, you know, we have rival gangs that whatever

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<v Speaker 5>conflict or whatever issue is there, they think it's appropriate

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<v Speaker 5>to go out to a very public place and undertake

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<v Speaker 5>the behavior that we saw on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I knew the answer. I wish I knew

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<v Speaker 3>the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different world.

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<v Speaker 2>People should feel safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 6>People are scared now to go to shopping, SeNSS to

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<v Speaker 6>go to these high traffic areas. Is that something Victoria

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<v Speaker 6>Police are looking at having a bigger police presence in

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<v Speaker 6>these really busy spots.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think what you'll see over the next couple

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<v Speaker 5>of days into the next couple of weeks that Northland

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<v Speaker 5>will have a visible policing presence and reassurance.

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<v Speaker 4>Patrols, just to make sure that that makes people feel.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely we want to feel safe when they go about

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<v Speaker 5>their normal business and day to day activities. I think

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<v Speaker 5>some of the new legislation that will come in in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of designated areas for a longer period of time

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<v Speaker 5>rather than say for the twelve hours that we've seen,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll make a difference as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we really appreciate your time this morning when I

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<v Speaker 1>was busy, commanded Tim Tully joining us on the air.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks coming in, Tim, Thank you very much for my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 6>Victoria Police do a great job. We appreciate all of

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<v Speaker 6>you in frustrating and difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason really straightened up. He was like, I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>call him commander.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I actually went out and asked him for a hug.

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<v Speaker 3>And what did he say, Well, you're

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<v Speaker 6>Not Lauren l wake up feeling good following them on

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<v Speaker 6>the socials