Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening, Big Show tonight. Liberal politician
Speaker 2: Holly Hughes blasts the Coalition campaign for failing voters and
Speaker 2: she unloads on Angus Taylor.
Speaker 3: She'll be on live tonight.
Speaker 2: Also on the show, our scoop that the Nine network
Speaker 2: paid a key witness in the Ben Robert Smith case
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars in hush money to stop her
Speaker 2: going public with allegations of misbehavior against Nick mackenzie. This
Speaker 2: bombshell revelation tonight is the latest in our ongoing reporting
Speaker 2: and we'll have all the fallout from the federal election.
Speaker 3: Minique Ryan has now.
Speaker 2: Retracted her winning Coupyong as final vote counting continues, and
Speaker 2: Adam Bant could lose his seat as the Greens face
Speaker 2: a well deserved wipe out. All of that coming up,
Speaker 2: but let's start tonight with the recriminations and fallout from
Speaker 2: the look.
Speaker 3: The result was a shock.
Speaker 2: Not one polling company predicted the size of this win.
Speaker 3: Nor any commentators.
Speaker 2: In fact, the only person in Australia who came close
Speaker 2: to predicting this shock result was Albin Easy himself. Now
Speaker 2: he thought he'd win majority government with eighty plus seats
Speaker 2: under his belt, but not even he thought he'd win
Speaker 2: eighty six or eighty seven seats, as Joel Fitzgibbon told
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny earlier.
Speaker 4: Not made Chris, not Peter Dutton and not Anthony ALBERSI.
Speaker 4: I think the Prime Minister has made that point himself.
Speaker 4: No one saw this coming. The U GUP poll looked
Speaker 4: like an outlier to me. Happy to say how I
Speaker 4: was wrong.
Speaker 2: Now Labour holds eighty seven or so seats in the
Speaker 2: coalition thirty nine, although this will change slightly as final
Speaker 2: votes accounted. Now, the story behind the size of this
Speaker 2: election win is actually not Albanesi's popularity, because Labour's primary
Speaker 2: vote only picked up by two percent or just under
Speaker 2: from the last election. Thirty four percent of Australian's voted Labor.
Speaker 2: The story is the monumental collapse in support for the coalition.
Speaker 2: In total, four point six eight million Australians voted Labor
Speaker 2: and four point three two million voted for the coalition.
Speaker 2: So that's primary votes. So it's a Labor primary of
Speaker 2: thirty four point eight percent and a Coalition primary of
Speaker 2: thirty two point one percent. Now that's a record low
Speaker 2: for the coalition, and of course these numbers will shift
Speaker 2: a little because votes are still being counted and some
Speaker 2: seats are having a recount, but after preferences, that takes
Speaker 2: the final two party preferred figure for Labor to fifty
Speaker 2: four point six percent and Liberal forty five point three percent,
Speaker 2: and it's a swing to Labor of two point six
Speaker 2: percent on a two party preferred basis.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Columnist and former Labor State director Cameron Milner makes the
Speaker 2: point in his nightly column tonight that there's lots of
Speaker 2: blowhard analysis and over the top age of albow headlines,
Speaker 2: but despite the two pp vote, Labour's primary remains at
Speaker 2: historic lows. It's only the complete collapse in the corresponding
Speaker 2: Liberal primary that delivers the statistical anomaly. And he says
Speaker 2: that Labour won in seats it never even campaigned in
Speaker 2: some that Albin Easy didn't even visit. And I'll speak
Speaker 2: to him about the reasons behind this when he's on
Speaker 2: the show later this hour.
Speaker 3: But the reasons for the.
Speaker 2: Coalition's collapse that this election aren't difficult to ascertain. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's what we've been speaking about every night. There's the
Speaker 2: Donald Trump factor, there's the Liberals Week campaign, Labour's demonization
Speaker 2: of Dutton and their lies, poor policies from the Liberal
Speaker 2: Front like the work from Home policy, Labour's scare campaign
Speaker 2: on Medicare and the six hundred billion dollar cost of
Speaker 2: nuclear and more. Now, the Liberal Party's polling by Freshwater
Speaker 2: predicted a whin of sixty four to sixty six seats.
Speaker 2: As I said on Saturday night, they also predicted reducing
Speaker 2: labor to minority government. Now, there's no doubt about it
Speaker 2: that polling was diabolical, It was wrong and it contributed
Speaker 2: to how bad the campaign was because Dutton was driven
Speaker 2: by the polling when deciding which seats to campaign in
Speaker 2: and where to spend money. Just Enterprise set on air
Speaker 2: earlier this evening that this polling played a big factor.
Speaker 5: There's a lot that we have to reflect upon as
Speaker 5: the coalition to determine where all our mistakes are. I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously polling was a huge one, following the polling that
Speaker 5: were presented to us without looking at alternative polling as well.
Speaker 2: The work from Home policy, even though it was just
Speaker 2: meant for public servants, it was rejected by most families
Speaker 2: who didn't know that Labour said it would apply to everyone,
Speaker 2: and most families do incorporate flexible working into their schedules.
Speaker 3: They thought they'd all have to go back into the office.
Speaker 2: Now I'm told Jane Hume, with the support of Angus Taylor,
Speaker 2: are the ones responsible.
Speaker 3: For that policy.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I said on air on Budget Night.
Speaker 2: That it would be electoral suicide to oppose Labour's tax cut.
Speaker 3: Yet that's exactly what the.
Speaker 2: Coalition did the very next day. It was never a
Speaker 2: good idea. Labour also ran a tough scare campaign against
Speaker 2: the Coalition. It worked, it was effective, Yet the Liberals
Speaker 2: took a kinder, more honest approach to Labor. Now everything
Speaker 2: here that we're talking about that other commentators have spoken
Speaker 2: about tonight, it's all pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: It's not rocket science.
Speaker 2: It's the fundamental basics of politics that the Liberal machine
Speaker 2: should already know. And so the reality is that it's
Speaker 2: the Coalition that has let Australia down because Australians who
Speaker 2: didn't want to vote for Labor and their radical agenda
Speaker 2: felt they had nowhere to turn. Everyone who was involved
Speaker 2: with this coalition campaign at the senior level, from party
Speaker 2: directors to the pollsters, should now explain why they deserved
Speaker 2: to keep their jobs. They should be on notice because
Speaker 2: this is one of the worst results for the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party in Australian political history. Reduced to just a small
Speaker 2: grouping in the Parliament, it's a humiliating result and the
Speaker 2: Liberals now have no obvious leader. They're firmly in the
Speaker 2: wilderness once again. Dante and Angus Taylor are the two
Speaker 2: front runners for the leadership at the moment, but neither
Speaker 2: could credibly claw back some forty or so seats in
Speaker 2: just three years, which means most likely this is now
Speaker 2: another a two term proposition for Labor, so six years
Speaker 2: ahead of Labor governing now. When Parliament sits, there will
Speaker 2: undoubtedly be arrogance from the government benches, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that Labour's primary only ticked up by one and a
Speaker 2: half or so percent. The Albaneze government will view the
Speaker 2: landslide red wave as a vindication of their radical agenda.
Speaker 2: They'll overreach now, They'll go too far with unpalatable policies
Speaker 2: that they began in their first term. This shouldn't be
Speaker 2: the message they take from the election. It wasn't that
Speaker 2: Australians loved their agenda. It was that they couldn't vote
Speaker 2: for the Coalition, as The West Australians editorial states, today
Speaker 2: government ministers will now be prone to thoughts of invincibility
Speaker 2: as they dust.
Speaker 3: Off their policy wish lists. The editorial says this.
Speaker 2: Election was ultimately a rude rejection of a woeful opposition. However,
Speaker 2: this result will confirm in Albanesi's mind that the past
Speaker 2: three years have been brilliant, stable and inclusive and the
Speaker 2: critics of it are one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, that would be a bad take.
Speaker 2: Labour portrayed Dutton as overly negative, and in response, the
Speaker 2: Coalition campaign tried to soften his image, both through his
Speaker 2: tone and language.
Speaker 3: Well, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Ironic that Labor painted Dutton as nasty? But in the
Speaker 2: end he went too soft while Labor ran the tough
Speaker 2: negative campaigns and spoken disparaging terms about.
Speaker 3: Dutton and it worked.
Speaker 2: Of Course, in hindsight, it was a mistake to try
Speaker 2: and soften Dutton's image and soften the messaging because it
Speaker 2: meant softening the attacks against Labor which are necessary in
Speaker 2: election campaigns. And of course this campaign was also a
Speaker 2: matter of timing. Had it been held in November or December,
Speaker 2: the outcome may have been different. The voter sentiment swung
Speaker 2: rapidly as it did in Canada. Now, if you at
Speaker 2: home voted for Dudden, it's not the case that you
Speaker 2: were wrong to do so. With the exception of the
Speaker 2: Herald and the Age, every national newspaper editorial endorsed him
Speaker 2: above Albanese's left wing agenda and mismanagement of the economy,
Speaker 2: and for all our Jewish viewers, this result was disappointing.
Speaker 2: It's a government that failed to tackle or even care
Speaker 2: about anti Semitism, and it sacrificed a community for political purposes.
Speaker 3: And I've got to be truthful.
Speaker 2: We can only expect further when it comes to hostility
Speaker 2: towards Israel from the Albanese government, because it looks like
Speaker 2: the Greens will have the balance of power in the Senate,
Speaker 2: potentially led by the anti Israel marine Feruki. One silver
Speaker 2: lining is that Green's leader Adam Bandt is struggling to
Speaker 2: hold onto his seat of Melbourne and there's a recount
Speaker 2: currently underway.
Speaker 3: But when Albinizi inevitably.
Speaker 2: Goes too far, as he's prone to do, I can
Speaker 2: assure you we will hold them to account every step
Speaker 2: of the way. Now the nine board is under pressure
Speaker 2: to explain what it knew about a secret payment to
Speaker 2: a key witness in their war crimes case. Now, this
Speaker 2: is a major scandal. Nine paid a key witness in
Speaker 2: the Ben Robert Smith defamation case seven hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in hush money to stop from going public with allegations
Speaker 2: of misbehavior against journalist Nick Mackenzie, now Nine's own witness
Speaker 2: in the Robert Smith case. They claimed she was a
Speaker 2: domestic violence victim sent explosive emails to Nine threatening to
Speaker 2: tell the court that the media company had unlawfully obtained
Speaker 2: his privileged legal strategy. She said she had an audio
Speaker 2: recording of Mackenzie and other evidence as proof. In response,
Speaker 2: sources told me that Nine paid the witness, known as
Speaker 2: Person seventeen, seven hundred thousand dollars under an agreement with
Speaker 2: a confidentiality clause, buying her silence. Now, this payment was
Speaker 2: made not long before Robert Smith's appeal against the network began,
Speaker 2: and it prevented the downing allegations from being raised in
Speaker 2: public and potentially forming part of the appeal.
Speaker 3: The email from this.
Speaker 2: Woman and she'd had an affair with Robert Smith, her
Speaker 2: email was sent to nine executive Tory Maguire an Executive
Speaker 2: Council Lreena Alec in March twenty twenty three. She wrote,
Speaker 2: and I'm quoting, there is a mountain of evidence of
Speaker 2: Nick telling me what these women were supposedly saying prior
Speaker 2: to giving evidence, which does not align with what Emma
Speaker 2: has now said on oath. How do you explain that
Speaker 2: I also know these women were passing on confidential and
Speaker 2: privileged information to Nick as far back as mid to
Speaker 2: late twenty twenty. What are you going to do when
Speaker 2: all of that comes out to the judge? What are
Speaker 2: you going to do when all of that comes out
Speaker 2: to the judge? She wrote that in an email to
Speaker 2: nine executives. She also claimed there'd been a behind the
Speaker 2: scenes corrupting of the process, and she said in an email,
Speaker 2: if you have to lie and cheat to win, then
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be playing the game at all. So this
Speaker 2: witness of Knights claimed in emails to nine that she
Speaker 2: had relevant information to the court, and instead of dealing
Speaker 2: with the allegations, Nine paid this woman hush money. There
Speaker 2: are questions now about whether the information should have been
Speaker 2: brought to the court's attention Now the unfiled statement of
Speaker 2: claim made by Person seventeen also includes the allegation that
Speaker 2: Mackenzie had obtained Robert Smith's privileged legal strategy. Now, this
Speaker 2: was the audio recording that Person seventeen had, along with
Speaker 2: other evidence.
Speaker 4: Daniel d let's go yet again, you quote the movies
Speaker 4: such as myself. They came actively.
Speaker 7: Breaking us on his leadership to you respected you lived
Speaker 7: the miss piece, and yet we're not learning about we
Speaker 7: anticipated most of it.
Speaker 8: One or two things.
Speaker 3: Now we know every syst in which she's helped.
Speaker 7: But the point there isne.
Speaker 6: Told you that weished to say, like you know, we've
Speaker 6: got this and and they're not hostile to year despite
Speaker 6: your worst views.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 9: I shouldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: I've just preached my ethics in doing that.
Speaker 9: Like this is where like this is the leadership position.
Speaker 7: Now if they knew that, impety knew that.
Speaker 2: Now after we broadcast that recording in March nine, then
Speaker 2: demanded that Person seventeen repay the seven hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: hush money and even threatened to sue her despite the
Speaker 2: fact she was their own witness who they claim was.
Speaker 3: A victim of domestic violence.
Speaker 2: Now, the latter from Nine's legal counsel, Lorena Alec, accused
Speaker 2: Person seventeen without proof of leaking the audio recording to
Speaker 2: Robert Smith and us at Sky. It says, the nine
Speaker 2: Group requests that your client refund the settlement sum in
Speaker 2: full within fourt in days. If payment is not received
Speaker 2: by Monday, the seventh of April twenty twenty five, the
Speaker 2: nine Group will commence legal proceedings against your client for
Speaker 2: payment of the debt under contract law. Now, Person seventeen
Speaker 2: sent a return legal letter rejecting the allegations Nine made
Speaker 2: and denying that she'd leaked the audio. Now it's not
Speaker 2: just the audio recording that leads Robert Smith in his
Speaker 2: legal team to believe that his privileged legal strategy was
Speaker 2: unlawfully accessed by night. Telstra records showed that his email
Speaker 2: account was accessed one hundred and one times by his wife,
Speaker 2: Emma Roberts close friend Danielle Scott. Robert Smith says that
Speaker 2: one email from his lawyer was flagged and read when
Speaker 2: he opened his email account, and his ex wife, Emma,
Speaker 2: has admitted that she'd allowed her close friend Danielle to
Speaker 2: access his email accounts, but claimed that it was only.
Speaker 3: In relation to their marriage breakdown.
Speaker 2: But it's also emerged that Nine had access to emails
Speaker 2: about Person seventeen. So we know that Ben Roberts Smith's
Speaker 2: emails were accessed in relation to his marriage in relation
Speaker 2: to Person seventeen, and this raises the question whether they
Speaker 2: were also accessed in relation to other areas of the case. Now,
Speaker 2: Ben Roberts Smith has claimed that Nine's lawyers subpoened specific
Speaker 2: documents that they could only have known about with unauthorized
Speaker 2: access of his account, and his attempts to prevent him
Speaker 2: of Roberts from disclosing confidential information failed at the time
Speaker 2: of the trial. However, further examples emerged in court last
Speaker 2: week that Nine was being told in advance about aspects
Speaker 2: of his legal team's strategy. Now, a text message from
Speaker 2: Danielle Scott to Nick McKenzie made it clear that she
Speaker 2: had information about what Ben's lawyers were.
Speaker 3: Planning to do in advance. Here is that text message.
Speaker 2: It says, heads up MAA that stands for Monica Allen,
Speaker 2: who's Ben Robert Smith's lawyer.
Speaker 3: Heads up, Monica Allen.
Speaker 2: Is going to write to the CDPP and notify them
Speaker 2: that your tweet is a breach of the Family Law Act.
Speaker 2: They are also going to apply to the Court for
Speaker 2: a restraint preventing any further publications of that nature being made.
Speaker 2: They are also going to make a second further application
Speaker 2: not to disclose any further material to the respondents fairfacts
Speaker 2: from the Family Court. Now, you don't have to understand
Speaker 2: everything that's in that message, but what you have to
Speaker 2: understand is that that is Danielle Scott tipping off Nick McKenzie.
Speaker 2: The ben Robert Smith's lawyer, Monica Allen, was about to
Speaker 2: write to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions about his tweet.
Speaker 2: Robert Smith's lawyers had sent him an email that included
Speaker 2: this precise information. Danielle followed it up with another text
Speaker 2: that said always better to be on the front foot,
Speaker 2: I say, and know what they are planning, and then
Speaker 2: she wrote that mackenzie owed her two beers.
Speaker 3: The court heard last week about Robert.
Speaker 2: Smith's serious concerns and mounting evidence that his privileged information
Speaker 2: was unlawfully accessed by nine. Nine's lawyers told the court
Speaker 2: that no such information had been provided. Nine was warned
Speaker 2: about this allegation by Person seventeen in several.
Speaker 3: Emails and legal letters.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm reporting tonight, and instead of dealing with
Speaker 2: this potential misconduct, they paid her seven hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in hush money. The payment was made in January twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. The chair of the board now Catherine West,
Speaker 2: was a director at the time the payment was made.
Speaker 2: And today I put questions to the nine board asking
Speaker 2: what they knew about the allegations from Person seventeen, and
Speaker 2: whether there'd been any internal investigation about the issues they raised,
Speaker 2: and why that hush money payment was appropriate.
Speaker 3: Nine have not responded.
Speaker 2: Adding to Nine's arrogance is this comment mackenzie allegedly made
Speaker 2: to Person seventeen. It's included in the unfiled statement of
Speaker 2: claim when she was concerned whether she could trust Nick McKenzie,
Speaker 2: she says, given he wasn't a member of the Fairfax board,
Speaker 2: McKenzie allegedly said.
Speaker 3: To her, I am Fairfax.
Speaker 2: Now this entire matter looks like a financial cover up
Speaker 2: to protect the reputation of one of their top journalists.
Speaker 2: It's concerning conduct given that Ben Roberts Smith appeals was
Speaker 2: about to start, and it's a corporate minefield for the
Speaker 2: media company. Not long after its reckoning over sexual harassment
Speaker 2: and toxic culture. I'm going to be speaking with vindicated
Speaker 2: veteran Heston Russell about this issue shortly, and I will
Speaker 2: continue to investigate this topic because, as I've said before,
Speaker 2: if dirty tricks were used to bring down one of Australia's,
Speaker 2: if not Australia's most decorated soldier, this is a matter
Speaker 2: that's firmly in the public interest. And Heston Russell's coming
Speaker 2: up shortly, but for more on the election on Saturday,
Speaker 2: Let's bring it now Tonight's political panel GXO Strategies director
Speaker 2: Bill Shorton's former chief of staff Cameron Milner, and Scott
Speaker 2: Morrison's former advisor Andrew Carswell.
Speaker 3: Great to see you both. Look, this election was a shock.
Speaker 3: We were both on the you were both on the
Speaker 3: show last week.
Speaker 2: None of us predicted this massive majority for alban Easy.
Speaker 2: Cameron's starting with you. You've written a brilliant column tonight.
Speaker 2: I just referred to it earlier in the show. What's
Speaker 2: your main takeaway from this result?
Speaker 1: Well, I think as the week went on, everyone realized
Speaker 1: that Albany is going to become Prime minister. It was
Speaker 1: either going to be a majority or minority, and I
Speaker 1: think what's happened is that Middle Australia decided they didn't
Speaker 1: want the Greens, the revolting Greens, to have the balance
Speaker 1: of power, so they plumb for Labor. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I say that is that Labour only won seats
Speaker 1: in Middle Australia. They were the outer Easter and Sobers,
Speaker 1: the Perth Metro suburbs, some of the ones in Sydney.
Speaker 1: In fact, Labor had massive swings against in his own heartland.
Speaker 1: Labour's standing to lose five safest seats at this election.
Speaker 1: So Middle Australia, who hate the Greens, don't stand for
Speaker 1: their politics, didn't want them to balance of power, voted
Speaker 1: for Labor, holding their nose probably while I did it.
Speaker 1: But in the end that was enough to get Albo
Speaker 1: the number of seats. But I think that was the
Speaker 1: big shift at the end because at the end people
Speaker 1: realized that Dunton wasn't going to get their albow was
Speaker 1: so might as well have a majority, so at least
Speaker 1: we'd have the Greens in the power, in the center
Speaker 1: of power.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can sit here tonight and say Labour's
Speaker 2: primary was still among historic lows thirty four percent, even
Speaker 2: though the coalitions is truly diabolical, which I'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a minute, But the reality is, with eighty
Speaker 2: six or eighty seven seats, it doesn't matter what their
Speaker 2: primary is. Andrew Albanize is going to take this as
Speaker 2: a mandate to basically do whatever he wants.
Speaker 6: Well, he certainly will shahurry and he'll ignore the pain
Speaker 6: that has been caused in the last three years because
Speaker 6: he wouldn't. He can't see that anymore. It's been kind
Speaker 6: of washed away by this result, So expect the Hebrews
Speaker 6: to come. But on the flip side, I think this
Speaker 6: result you've got to get back to the core reasons
Speaker 6: why we saw the result that we did on Saturday night.
Speaker 6: And I think Australians were deeply angry and frustrated with
Speaker 6: the Albanizi government. But that anger and frustration wasn't enough
Speaker 6: to overcome the fact that they had a major hesitation
Speaker 6: with Peter Dutton. I mean, you can't paper over that
Speaker 6: fact that the coalition had a deeply unpopular leader into
Speaker 6: an election. And you know, yes the campaign was terrible,
Speaker 6: Yes the ads were bad and they were late. Yes
Speaker 6: there was a one man wrecking ball named Donald Trump
Speaker 6: that interrupted the campaign. You can lay all those excuses out,
Speaker 6: but you can't paper over the fact that Peter Dutton
Speaker 6: was unpopular as a leader, and I think that really
Speaker 6: weighed on that vote. And Australians were very happy to
Speaker 6: be convinced, given the pain that they'd gone through, But
Speaker 6: by the end of that last week they just weren't convinced.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because you know, we've been analyzing the campaign,
Speaker 2: but ultimately Labor had framed.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton for most of his career.
Speaker 2: They'd called him I mean, I don't even want to
Speaker 2: say it on air, but they called him potato head.
Speaker 3: They'd called him Voldemort. You know, they had.
Speaker 2: Framed him as a racist in the nastiest possible way.
Speaker 2: And this is long before he even became opposition leader.
Speaker 2: So Cameron, you know, perhaps it was almost impossible to
Speaker 2: change voter perceptions of him when he already had that
Speaker 2: image in Australian's.
Speaker 1: Except he won the voice campaigns, so he did have
Speaker 1: a win in the midst of this situation. Four months
Speaker 1: before polling day, he was in the box seat. He'd
Speaker 1: actually done the job at the demolition on Albanese's recording
Speaker 1: government on cost of living. He'd done the job, but
Speaker 1: he didn't do his policy team to do and I
Speaker 1: think Angus Taylor is the biggest, biggest person to be
Speaker 1: blame for this. They didn't do the policy work. They
Speaker 1: didn't have an answer to the problem. So they asked
Speaker 1: the question, which is are you better off for the
Speaker 1: three years ago and didn't have an answer for the
Speaker 1: next three years. So they failed the basic politics one
Speaker 1: oh one on the policy front.
Speaker 2: I mean, Andrew, you were working for Scott Morrison ahead
Speaker 2: of the last election three years ago, which was a
Speaker 2: devastating loss in itself, and you know the Coalition was
Speaker 2: reduced to some fifty seven fifty eight seats at the
Speaker 2: time and that was considered a crushing defeat and Scott
Speaker 2: Morrison was blamed.
Speaker 3: For that for being unpopular.
Speaker 2: But now when you think the Liberals sitting on around
Speaker 2: thirty nine seats, I mean, this has got it now.
Speaker 3: There's no look. Other people have said to me today,
Speaker 3: you could whin.
Speaker 2: You know, the way election cycles move at the moment,
Speaker 2: things can change so quickly. It's not out of the
Speaker 2: question they could win in three years time. But you'd
Speaker 2: have to say that's extremely unlikely. Almost it is out
Speaker 2: of the question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's extremely unlikely and six years will likely be it,
Speaker 6: maybe even nine, who knows. We saw that certainly after
Speaker 6: Rad Gillard Rad. But really, and someone said this the
Speaker 6: other day, the Liberal Party has a lot of soul
Speaker 6: searching to do, but they've got to find their soul first.
Speaker 6: And you can make the argument that the Liberal Party
Speaker 6: has walked away from its core values. It's not Australians
Speaker 6: that have walked away from conservative conservative economic values. It's
Speaker 6: not Australian households that have walked away from classical liberalism
Speaker 6: in the John Howard kind of mindset. It's the Liberal Party.
Speaker 6: They got up and walked away from it. They chose
Speaker 6: to prioritize other things and not the cost of living,
Speaker 6: not building a stronger economy. I can't believe I didn't
Speaker 6: hear the phrase stronger economy or stronger economic growth through
Speaker 6: the entire campaign. I heard little bits on cost of living.
Speaker 6: But it's a misaligned priority and Australian's just just looked
Speaker 6: at it and turned the volume down. Mmm.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because Cameron, by the same token, the
Speaker 2: Federal Labor Party isn't what a lot of traditional labor
Speaker 2: supporters say that it used to be.
Speaker 3: It's not a centrist party, it's not a reforming party.
Speaker 1: It's a blank bonde. I mean this bloke is middle management.
Speaker 1: He's actually not governing. I mean he's managing day to
Speaker 1: day issues. Press conference, her press conference there. This bloke
Speaker 1: is not a labor prime minister. I mean he might
Speaker 1: call himself labor, but it's in name only. Sharik and Hawk, Keating,
Speaker 1: Schiff Lee Whitlam, they were labor reformers. This bloke is
Speaker 1: a performer, not a reformer.
Speaker 3: Great line, great line, Cameron. All right, so where to
Speaker 3: from here?
Speaker 2: Andrew Carswell, who do you think could be the best
Speaker 2: leader of the Liberal Party now?
Speaker 3: Does it even matter? Is it not even worth talking about?
Speaker 6: Well, whoever steps in is basically a placeholder for six years.
Speaker 6: They won't be the next Liberal prime minister. I guarantee
Speaker 6: you it's a long way to go six years in opposition. Really,
Speaker 6: the job now is to steady the ship and, as
Speaker 6: I've said before, find the soul of the Liberal Party
Speaker 6: and get things back on track and plug in with
Speaker 6: the voters that have just abandoned them, the voters in
Speaker 6: their traditional suburbs that turn their backs on the Liberal
Speaker 6: Party this campaign. So I think it is either the
Speaker 6: three is Angus Susan or you might have a Scott
Speaker 6: Morrison that comes up the middle in Dan teen who knows.
Speaker 6: But I think one, two, three of the combination I
Speaker 6: think would be in safe hands in terms of steadying
Speaker 6: the ship and getting it ready. And then you have
Speaker 6: to think about next generation. It needs to be the
Speaker 6: next generation of leaders that take the Liberal Party into
Speaker 6: the next election and beyond.
Speaker 2: Yet, of course Andrew Hasty has confirmed that is not
Speaker 2: running for the Liberal leadership. He says he's got three
Speaker 2: young children, but it's not the right not yet, not
Speaker 2: the right time for him as well, and that you know,
Speaker 2: this will be a bit of a marathon. Just to end, Cameron,
Speaker 2: all of the polling companies got this wrong, except for
Speaker 2: you gave was closest at the very end.
Speaker 3: But otherwise all of that, yes, yeah, yeah, oh look
Speaker 3: they do.
Speaker 1: And polling is not exact science. And I mean I
Speaker 1: don't blame the Pulses because I think the trend was right.
Speaker 1: I mean they picked that Albanese was leading this campaign.
Speaker 1: He was going to become Prime minister. As I said
Speaker 1: in the article today, I think Middle Australia just decided
Speaker 1: to vote for certainty, reject Trump and give labor working
Speaker 1: majority rather than leading the extreme Greens have the whip hand.
Speaker 2: All right, Cameron Milner Andrew Carswell, great to see you
Speaker 2: catch up next Monday. All right, let's return to our
Speaker 2: exclusive that trouble is deepening for Nine after our revelations
Speaker 2: at the network paid their own key witness seven hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Now after I break this story on the
Speaker 2: Sky News website yesterday afternoon, it has shocked the legal
Speaker 2: and media industry, and despite attempts by Nine to shut
Speaker 2: down reporting of their hash money scandal, it has been
Speaker 2: covered on the front page of the West Australian and
Speaker 2: on seven.
Speaker 10: News tonight reports tonight Nine paid Person seventeen seven hundred
Speaker 10: thousand dollars to stay quiet before this recording was leaked,
Speaker 10: where Nick McKenzie admits, I've just freasing that this is
Speaker 10: where like this is, according to Sky News reporter shar Remarks,
Speaker 10: and Nine now reportedly demanding the huge payment be repaid
Speaker 10: or they would sue Person seventeen again.
Speaker 2: Nine has refused to respond to my questions about this matter.
Speaker 2: Now to discuss joining me our former Special Forces commando
Speaker 2: Heston Russell Heston, you fought in court.
Speaker 3: To clear your name.
Speaker 2: What's your response when you see a scandal like this,
Speaker 2: hush money to keep a recording quiet?
Speaker 9: Well, what a mess sharer? And for me it's I
Speaker 9: think the last time I spoke with you about sanctimonious
Speaker 9: journalists who get up there and are willing to hold
Speaker 9: the measuring stick to others. Straight away, we had Nick
Speaker 9: Mackenzie double back and say that he hadn't breached his ethics.
Speaker 9: We had nine immediately issue a statement saying they stood
Speaker 9: by and there's been no ethical misconduct here. Where is
Speaker 9: his measuring stick? On these ethics? And how these journalists
Speaker 9: being allowed to conduct these actions in order to throw
Speaker 9: Australia's most decorated soldier under the bus and try and
Speaker 9: scrubb all the rest of it under table. So I
Speaker 9: think the nine board has a lot to answer to
Speaker 9: the Australian public and this question of ethics and how
Speaker 9: journalists like Nick mackenzie, award winning senior journalists all the rest.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you were able to watch some
Speaker 9: of the Arthur Moses cross examination this week in the
Speaker 9: Federal Court where Nick mackenzie for the first time admitted
Speaker 9: that he read the nine Code of Conduct. This is
Speaker 9: what is occurring. We're having these job He said he
Speaker 9: hadn't that he'd never read it before, never had to
Speaker 9: be the first time, sitting in the witness box under
Speaker 9: cross examination the Federal Court was the first time he
Speaker 9: admitted that he'd read the nine Code of Conduct. So
Speaker 9: we have journalists pursuing this story, trying to throw Australia's greatest,
Speaker 9: most decorated soldier under the bus, without any leash, without
Speaker 9: any bridle, and without any assumably ethics to frame what
Speaker 9: they're doing. And this is the result.
Speaker 2: So you just mentioned that that you think the nine
Speaker 2: bod does have questions to answer about this. Why do
Speaker 2: you think that's the case and what would you like
Speaker 2: to hear from them?
Speaker 9: I would just like to know if they were aware
Speaker 9: that all of this is occurring. I mean, there's seven
Speaker 9: hundred thousand dollars that's being paid, there's all these emails
Speaker 9: and exchanges, and instead of the truth being put forward
Speaker 9: in a case that's meant to be about the truth,
Speaker 9: there seems to have been steps taken to silence this
Speaker 9: person and not to face the facts of some of
Speaker 9: the dirty actions that have been taken.
Speaker 3: Just generally speaking. You know, she was Nine's witness.
Speaker 2: They made claims about her that weren't proven in court
Speaker 2: relating to domestic violence, but then they now have threatened
Speaker 2: to sue her.
Speaker 3: What do you think that says to their treatment of
Speaker 3: their own witness.
Speaker 9: Well, Charie nine also brought in witnesses from Afghanistan and
Speaker 9: all the rest to this case. For me, this is
Speaker 9: the pile of dirt we're looking at. I want to
Speaker 9: see how deep this hole is and how far it goes.
Speaker 9: And again this is my issue coming back to.
Speaker 3: What we gain. No suggestions have been made in.
Speaker 9: My personal opinion and hester Russell's personal opinion. I would
Speaker 9: love to see where the rest of this goes.
Speaker 2: There is now mounting evidence that I outlined in some
Speaker 2: detail at the start of the show that maybe not
Speaker 2: everyone might have been able to follow because it is
Speaker 2: quite complicated, But there is mounting evidence that Ben Roberts
Speaker 2: Smith's emails.
Speaker 3: Or parts of them may have been accessed by others.
Speaker 2: What do you think, you know, how much of a
Speaker 2: breach of this to have your emails accessed against you
Speaker 2: in a court case?
Speaker 9: Well, Again, a lot of this goes back to what
Speaker 9: we've spoken about, the fact that this is a civil
Speaker 9: defamation case. If this was a criminal case being brought
Speaker 9: against Ben Roberts Smith for war crimes, how with these
Speaker 9: actions would be Canadi's criminal actions. And these people have
Speaker 9: a lot more to answer to. So I'm so interested
Speaker 9: to see where the line of ethics, the line of
Speaker 9: legal conduct comes into play here. And you just feel.
Speaker 2: Strongly about this because of what happened to you, your
Speaker 2: own personal experience fighting to clear your name.
Speaker 9: Agreed, My personal experience of what I'm seeing now with
Speaker 9: Ben goes to show that there are elements of austral
Speaker 9: and media who are happy to throw the rule book
Speaker 9: of ethics out the window when it comes to trying
Speaker 9: to pursue Australia's most decorated people who went to war
Speaker 9: and fought for this country and fought for these rights
Speaker 9: that were meant to be defending in our.
Speaker 3: Courts well out of time.
Speaker 2: But I just want to remind everyone at home of
Speaker 2: something you said to me when you first came onto
Speaker 2: an interview a year or two ago, and you said
Speaker 2: that fighting.
Speaker 3: The ABC was worse than fighting the terrorists. It was
Speaker 3: so hard for you to have to come up against that.
Speaker 2: It was such an emotional statement when you made it,
Speaker 2: and it's really stuck with me because as journalists we
Speaker 2: do have a huge responsibility and you know, other people's
Speaker 2: lives are at stake.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much for joining me, pleasure, Thanks for
Speaker 9: continuing with the Sharry Now still.
Speaker 3: To come, we'll bring you the latest on account in
Speaker 3: Manique Ryan's seat. Adam Bounce too.
Speaker 2: Plus Liberal politician Holly Hughes won't hold back when she
Speaker 2: unloads in the coalition campaign and she'll talk about what
Speaker 2: happened to her in the lead up to this election.
Speaker 3: She's next. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Now, Holly,
Speaker 2: you have been waiting to do this interviewed.
Speaker 3: Do you want to.
Speaker 2: Disrupt the Coalition's campaign? But you do have a lot
Speaker 2: to say about how the Liberal Party treated you.
Speaker 3: Now, viewers love you.
Speaker 2: You are a strong woman, You've got strong values. How
Speaker 2: do you feel like you were treated by the party?
Speaker 11: There is a you know, everyone talks about this problem
Speaker 11: with women, and you know, I've really struggled that I
Speaker 11: hadn't felt that personally. I'd always been really well supported
Speaker 11: by men. But I think what was particularly difficult was oh,
Speaker 11: well we've got rid of you, but don't worry, we've
Speaker 11: got another woman. And I think to all women, that's
Speaker 11: really quite offensive. It's, you know, we're not all the same.
Speaker 11: We do bring different skills and talents and merits to
Speaker 11: the roles. And it was quite dismissive in the sense
Speaker 11: sort of you know, well we've got one set of
Speaker 11: overas and now we've got another, so what does it matter?
Speaker 11: And I think that was really demeaning when that was
Speaker 11: the response I was getting from people that you know,
Speaker 11: I should be fine with this because it's another woman.
Speaker 11: And I remember walking out of the pre selection and
Speaker 11: you can, as you can imagine, it was a pretty
Speaker 11: unpleasant experience. And I was walking out with my husband
Speaker 11: and the state director and this I know his name,
Speaker 11: one of the party members literally came and stood right
Speaker 11: in front of me, right at my face and sort
Speaker 11: of almost yelled at me, well, I hope you're going
Speaker 11: to stay on the ticket at number four. And it
Speaker 11: was it was bullying, and it was rude, and it
Speaker 11: was quite intimid and there are I think just too
Speaker 11: many people that think that it is okay to behave
Speaker 11: that way, and that you know they're invincible and are
Speaker 11: able to do whatever and say whatever they want to do.
Speaker 2: So, just to explain what happened, you were dumped from
Speaker 2: a winnable position on the Liberal Party Senate ticket instead
Speaker 2: another woman was put there instead.
Speaker 7: Who was supported by the hard right.
Speaker 3: At the part of your history, your track record, your experience.
Speaker 11: I mean, I had fourteen years on our state executive,
Speaker 11: eight or so years on our federal executive.
Speaker 7: I've worked in every campaign since two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: It's behind this who made that? Who do you hold
Speaker 3: responsible for this?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 11: I know Angus Taylor was sending text messages the night
Speaker 11: before encouraging people to vote for Jess Collins rather than me.
Speaker 11: So when colleagues go against each other like that, it
Speaker 11: makes a very unpleasant experience. So you know it, I
Speaker 11: said to Peter Dutton at the time, I thought it
Speaker 11: was a maneuva for leadership aspirations in the future by Angus,
Speaker 11: by Angus. And you know, maybe just the one small
Speaker 11: joy I have is I'm still there till June thirty.
Speaker 11: So while we're in the party room to cast the ballot,
Speaker 11: and you.
Speaker 2: Have heard over the past few weeks that there were
Speaker 2: leadership maneuverings going on even during this campaign.
Speaker 11: I got a phone call today from someone who was
Speaker 11: a very senior person within the organization at the federal level,
Speaker 11: and they had received a phone call they were saying
Speaker 11: two to three weeks ago encouraging her to get behind
Speaker 11: sporting Angus for leader. So that was two three weeks
Speaker 11: before the election was finished.
Speaker 7: And I was horrified when.
Speaker 11: The numbers were being done someone Taylor, and I didn't
Speaker 11: hear about it at all during the campaign.
Speaker 7: You know, that wasn't something I was privy to.
Speaker 11: I understand other people have now said that they had
Speaker 11: heard certain things, but this was a phone call I
Speaker 11: got today.
Speaker 3: So before you know, while Dartin was still leading, while
Speaker 3: he was still traveling.
Speaker 11: While he most senior nomic person, you know, should have
Speaker 11: been doing everything good to fight with alongside Peter Dutton.
Speaker 7: And look, this is what I was told today Augus Taylor.
Speaker 3: Was doing the numbers for.
Speaker 11: Wasn't the point call didn't come from Angus, but it
Speaker 11: came to support Angus.
Speaker 7: And I mean that is.
Speaker 11: I've talked to you since I've lost my pre selection
Speaker 11: till the to the election you know, very much on message,
Speaker 11: stayed within the team. And I am a liberal and
Speaker 11: I'm still very much committed to liberal values. But I
Speaker 11: think the behavior of some of the people in that
Speaker 11: party room is absolutely reprehensible. I don't think they were
Speaker 11: supportive of Peter dunt. I don't think they did the work,
Speaker 11: and I think they were more interested in their own
Speaker 11: future political ambitions and they were.
Speaker 3: Any wedding selection.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 7: I think that shows from the policy vacuum that we saw.
Speaker 3: So do you have a view, just finally before we go,
Speaker 3: who should be the new leader?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 7: I heard today that apparently Angus Taylor and Dan Tee
Speaker 7: and are going to have a ticket together.
Speaker 11: And I got to say, is a party that clearly
Speaker 11: has a problem attracting the votes of women.
Speaker 7: I'm really not sure putting up too.
Speaker 11: Probably a little bit more than middle aged white guys
Speaker 11: who are both known to be in the hard right
Speaker 11: of the party as leaders, are going to say to
Speaker 11: the Australian people, we've learned any lessons at all. I mean,
Speaker 11: I think if you were one of those people that
Speaker 11: was involved in the monkey pod lunches that used to
Speaker 11: occur personally, I think they should probably head back to
Speaker 11: the monkey pod and stay there for a while and
Speaker 11: let some of the other people who want to really
Speaker 11: get back to Liverpool putty values and being able to
Speaker 11: articulate those to the Australian people.
Speaker 3: We were out of time. We're going to go. But
Speaker 3: is there a name you want to mention?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 11: Look, well, Susan Lazy, the only woman who's running. She
Speaker 11: works incredibly hard, she's incredibly smart and I think she
Speaker 11: do a great job.
Speaker 3: There you go, Holly thinks, thanks for much for your time.
Speaker 2: All right, still to come the Trump effect, how the
Speaker 2: US president has flipped multiple elections on the head at
Speaker 2: Adam Bounds on the verge of losing his seat, plus
Speaker 2: the count in coup youong, that's after this quick break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, right, let's.
Speaker 2: Turn to where Adam Bounce sets up to and Minique
Speaker 2: Grind's too and joining me out with all the intel.
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph journalist James Willison, Sky news host Joe Hilda
Speaker 2: Brand welcome hello.
Speaker 3: And if there's any glading, Joan, I want to know
Speaker 3: about it. No, no gladstage brutal on because I won't go.
Speaker 8: I know there's a lot of very.
Speaker 3: I'm not going well at least where you know we're
Speaker 3: almost all in black. Yes, all right, so James tell us,
Speaker 3: tell us about Minnie ryan Sea because she said she
Speaker 3: won this. Now she's had to walk that back.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I think she came out way too early and accepted
Speaker 13: that she had won this. But at this stage look
Speaker 13: the latest count and this was updated from what I
Speaker 13: can see at about eight o'clock, she's ahead of Amelia
Speaker 13: Hammer from the Liberal Party by about nine hundred and
Speaker 13: ninety two votes.
Speaker 7: It's come back in.
Speaker 13: Obviously the libs of being helped by postal votes. It's
Speaker 13: the same with Zoe Daniel. She's just in front by
Speaker 13: about ninety five votes in gold Stein. But in fairness,
Speaker 13: when you look at the other TiAl seats, particularly in Sydney,
Speaker 13: and this was part of the Liberal Party's problem. They
Speaker 13: were desperate to win back either Wentworth or mckiller, and
Speaker 13: I think Wringa is going to be too tough. Instead,
Speaker 13: all three seats have been dominated by Allegraspender, Zali Stegel
Speaker 13: and doctor Sophie Scomps.
Speaker 3: I think it was the closest was always going to
Speaker 3: be Coo Young and gold Stein, so both of them
Speaker 3: no final outcomes as yet there's a recount, correct, But.
Speaker 13: I think in fairness though with the redistribution, the redistribution
Speaker 13: helped the Liberal Party a lot like it did in
Speaker 13: other parts, and it still hasn't got them close enough.
Speaker 13: So Monik ran it's going to be testing. But I
Speaker 13: think from what I can see, she's in front. Yeah,
Speaker 13: by about nine hundred and ninetywo votes.
Speaker 2: That's still only ninety five votes separating Tim Wilson from
Speaker 2: Zoe Daniels. Amazing, all right, Joe update us on at
Speaker 2: about seat of Melbourne where he's fighting total.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's an interesting it looks I think he's in
Speaker 8: a world of pain. I wouldn't have thought that, maybe
Speaker 8: even just twenty four hours ago. But so the two
Speaker 8: party preferred was at about fifty two forty eight. But
Speaker 8: the AEC has now gone back and is basically recounting
Speaker 8: all those preference flows. So presumably one of the scrutinies
Speaker 8: there has said, hang on, this doesn't this doesn't look.
Speaker 3: Right, or it's probably Adam Boundchi's demanded that recount.
Speaker 8: It might be the Greens to say, you know, no,
Speaker 8: we've got to go back and look at this again.
Speaker 8: But the AAC is definitely you think so, because if
Speaker 8: you're winning, why would you demand a recount?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 8: But anyway, the recount so they now only counted I
Speaker 8: think about two out of forty five polling places. It's
Speaker 8: only on the day votes that they've got up to
Speaker 8: as well, it's about six thousand votes that they've recounted,
Speaker 8: and so far the Labor candidate is ahead by about
Speaker 8: sixty four percent to about thirty five percent. So the
Speaker 8: margin is everygrader obviously that is with it just over
Speaker 8: eight percent of the vote counted. However, one of the
Speaker 8: things that was these all votes on the day and
Speaker 8: I haven't yet checked the booth by the word.
Speaker 3: But the and that will be you know what, we
Speaker 3: might know tomorrow if not the next day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the pre pot they count very quickly. But
Speaker 8: the prepolts and postals have been favoring Labor and that's
Speaker 8: been the problem. So once they start counting those.
Speaker 3: Again, that would be one silver lining. If Adam batt
Speaker 3: loses history against as well, and you know what the
Speaker 3: people so yeah, so tell us which Green and Peace
Speaker 3: have lost?
Speaker 13: This is so Max Chandler Matha is gone. The other
Speaker 13: Brisbane MP, Stephen Bates, is it gone as well, and
Speaker 13: huge swings against them. And I think people were smart
Speaker 13: enough to wake up and realize that the Greens were
Speaker 13: one of the big problems for the government and the
Speaker 13: country in this term of government by blocking legislation around housing,
Speaker 13: by slowing everything down, and so we may as well
Speaker 13: have in those areas, I think voters, we may as
Speaker 13: well have a labor majority. But also in my view,
Speaker 13: they spent way too much time on the issues in
Speaker 13: the middle eat and I think they were far too
Speaker 13: aggressive in that space. And you saw signs all wrong
Speaker 13: Sydney for you know, with the Greens saying, you know,
Speaker 13: sanctioned Israel, and they ran on that campaign. I don't
Speaker 13: think people bought it.
Speaker 3: I really think they rejected that on the weekend, which
Speaker 3: is one good outcome.
Speaker 2: But Joe, they will still have control of the Senate
Speaker 2: and this is highly concerning because again they will be
Speaker 2: able to make those left wing, radical extremist demands recognition.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so it's interesting. So the Green's actually increased their
Speaker 8: primary vote over all across the country, but didn't increase
Speaker 8: it where it matters, which tells you how good they
Speaker 8: are at politics, which is to say, absolutely useless. But look,
Speaker 8: it's always a concern having the Greens in the Senate,
Speaker 8: but the Labor Party can work around them. It's tried
Speaker 8: to work around them with the coalition before. Perhaps the
Speaker 8: chasing Coalition would be more prepared to work with the
Speaker 8: Labor Party to sideline the Greens. And there might also
Speaker 8: be other I mean, it's interesting to see what happens
Speaker 8: with Jackie Lambi. There may be an extra one Nation
Speaker 8: senator who knows. So there are probably pathways that Labour
Speaker 8: can get around the Greens, and Labor has shown in
Speaker 8: the past that he is prepared to just say few
Speaker 8: to the Greens and not I mean, Labour hasn't computiate.
Speaker 3: How late were you out celebrating with your mate al
Speaker 3: Bow Saturday at night.
Speaker 8: It was a very very modest night because I had
Speaker 8: to go back early and get up and do Sunrise
Speaker 8: next morning. But it's fair to say that I did
Speaker 8: see I did see the AM dial in the morning.
Speaker 8: I think there may have been a few celebratory text
Speaker 8: messages and a few selfies that went around late at.
Speaker 7: Night, and a lot of talk about leaders and all that.
Speaker 13: For now, Look, the Liberal Party will not win an
Speaker 13: election again unless they get rid of some of the
Speaker 13: people that were behind this campaign, the people that you
Speaker 13: don't even know about.
Speaker 7: And in Sydney there.
Speaker 13: Were seats they tried to buy, and the Labor Party
Speaker 13: like ben Along Paramatta and read the Labor Party has
Speaker 13: smashed them despite the Liberals doing posters, flying in candidates
Speaker 13: and all that, and voters were smart enough like bringing
Speaker 13: candidates from other parts into tears. Yeah, well no, but
Speaker 13: the candidates were some of them had been there for
Speaker 13: a year or two years. They weren't locals, whereas the
Speaker 13: three local Labor and Peace had really done a great job.
Speaker 13: But there's another issue as well, and there's been talk
Speaker 13: about the the Brethren, the religious set and obviously look
Speaker 13: no issue in terms of religion, but there was a
Speaker 13: lot of volunteers that were there in those areas, yes,
Speaker 13: and I don't think that helped pick.
Speaker 3: That up again, right, James the list joke, Good to
Speaker 3: see you right after the break.
Speaker 2: How the Donald Trump factor impacted on the election? Koshergata,
Speaker 2: would you owin me next? Well, let's bring in our
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor, Koshergata. Kosher Donald Trump completely flipped the
Speaker 2: Canadian election, and now he's being blamed for at least
Speaker 2: being one factor in coalition's crushing defeat.
Speaker 3: How is he influencing elections? What's his global trend? Now?
Speaker 12: He is definitely a factor. The Trump effect Schariazu and
Speaker 12: others have termed it is real, especially as it relates
Speaker 12: to trade policy and tariffs, which just allows one hundred
Speaker 12: days kind of came out of nowhere. We always knew
Speaker 12: he wanted to do it, It came out of nowhere,
Speaker 12: and it does inject a curve ball in the national
Speaker 12: discourse and the framing of the election for sure. However,
Speaker 12: in my opinion, I wouldn't overstate it. I think he's
Speaker 12: becoming a little bit of a fall guy for people
Speaker 12: who have failed in their electoral prospects to point to.
Speaker 12: That's human nature. He does not affect the fundamentals of
Speaker 12: the internal aspects and affairs of other countries, which is
Speaker 12: cost of blimming and immigration and energy policy in the
Speaker 12: culture wars and all of that. So I think there
Speaker 12: is certainly a blueprint on the plus side that he
Speaker 12: has shown about how the right can really take those
Speaker 12: issues by the jugular and win. And there is a
Speaker 12: wide open playing field for those that are able and
Speaker 12: willing to do that because there is a swath of
Speaker 12: the elector that wants it. However, insofar as the trade
Speaker 12: and tariff issue, that's one thing where he definitely played
Speaker 12: a factor.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because there was this global movement away from
Speaker 2: woke ideology at the time that Trump was elected, but
Speaker 2: now because of the uncertainty and the chaos that he's presented,
Speaker 2: you know, it seems that people are sticking with incumbency.
Speaker 3: As you say, at least that's one factor.
Speaker 2: So now Albanezy spoke to the US President today, and
Speaker 2: then the President has also come out and said that
Speaker 2: there should be one hundred percent tariff on movies made
Speaker 2: outside of the United States.
Speaker 12: Tell us about this, Yeah, so this is another category
Speaker 12: where you Trump has his baseline view of ten percent
Speaker 12: terrorists for every industry, every country, and then he has
Speaker 12: sort of carve outs where there's less or more. And
Speaker 12: the movie industry, in particular Hollywood, it is a big
Speaker 12: industry economically, but it also punches above its weight in
Speaker 12: terms of the culture and the influence it has on
Speaker 12: the culture. It is no friend of the right or
Speaker 12: of Trump. He's very well aware of that, and they
Speaker 12: sort of have had this carve out or this easy
Speaker 12: pass is how He frames it where they can go
Speaker 12: make movies abroad, get huge taxism status and other benefits
Speaker 12: from that. All those jobs that go into making movies
Speaker 12: go to those other countries, and he's just trying to
Speaker 12: bring that back home. Hollywood is the epicenter of it
Speaker 12: is in the United States, and so by putting these
Speaker 12: tariffs in place, he's trying to incentivize movies to be
Speaker 12: produced and made much more back in the US.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, finally also wants to reopen Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: Way here tell us about this.
Speaker 12: So Alcatraz, of course, I was actually just in San
Speaker 12: Francisco last week, famous from the mafia era offshore like
Speaker 12: just off the Bay of San Francisco prison cell. It
Speaker 12: doesn't have huge capacity. I think it has something like
Speaker 12: three hundred beds, and it was closed down in the
Speaker 12: sixties because it was mismanaged and not financially viable. He's
Speaker 12: talking about or toying with the idea of reopening it.
Speaker 12: Certainly it read the US needs extra prison capacity because
Speaker 12: there's a lot of criminality and illegals. But more so
Speaker 12: I think it's the symbolic value of that that he
Speaker 12: is the master of. And there's this framing going on
Speaker 12: about how bad the illegals that are being deported and
Speaker 12: detained and deported are or aren't. And I think he's
Speaker 12: looking at that as a backdrop that would help in
Speaker 12: that battle of the framing that's going on right now
Speaker 12: between him and the media.
Speaker 3: M data right, Kushia Dada, thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 2: And I remember years ago being on a ferry in
Speaker 2: San Francisco and going past Alcatraz and having a look
Speaker 2: at it. So there you go, it could be a
Speaker 2: reopened way hearing a right. That's all we've got time
Speaker 2: for tonight. I'll be back here at eight o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 2: More fall out from the election. There'll be more stories
Speaker 2: about Ben Robert Smith too, so make sure you tune.
Speaker 3: In tomorrow at eight. Here's He'll Murray