WEBVTT - Calling out brands that put staff on social media 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.160 Hi, I'm Britney Saunders, and welcome to Big Business, the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.920 place where business is far from boring. And today I'm 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.360 recording on a wobbicle land. Now I somehow manage to 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.319 build an empire from the garage underneath my house and 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.599 I'm here to share it all with you, from the winds, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:23.439 the mistakes, the challenging times, and the funny moments in between. So, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.159 whether you're in business already, perhaps you're not in the 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.280 game at all, Maybe you're just looking for some inspo, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.720 or you simply just want to hear the tea, this 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:33.000 is the podcast for you. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:33.880 Now. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.800 Coming up on today's episode, I'm. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:37.279 Going for it. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.920 I'm going to talk in depth about everything to do 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.080 with putting your staff on social media, the good, the bad, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.680 the ugly and everything in between. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:49.440 Now we are in an. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:56.080 Era of EGC, which is employee generated content, and it's 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:00.680 everywhere and especially in Australia. There are some prominent brands, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:05.160 especially on TikTok, where their whole brand is their staff 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.720 members being on social media. And I myself, I feel 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.520 like I'm qualified enough to speak on this because I've 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:17.319 been posting myself online for about fifteen years and I've 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.040 been posting my staff on social media for maybe a 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:26.920 good seven years now, basically ever since Fate began. And 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.200 whilst this is super new and super exciting and fun 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.120 and everyone's loving it and we're seeing employees turn into 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.640 little content creators, it can also come with massive risks. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.200 So let this episode be a bit of tea but 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.000 also advice from me, someone that has been in the 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.480 game for a long long time and someone who employees 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.200 seventy people. I feel like I'm the most qualified person 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.680 in Australia to speak on this. And hey, this can 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.240 also be a lesson to any business owners out there 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.760 who are in the position where they have staff on 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.280 social media or maybe they're thinking about it, because as 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.360 cool as it can be and as fun as it 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.640 can be, it can also completely fuck your business up, 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.080 if I'm being honest. So without further ado, let's just 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:19.359 get straight down to business. Well, well, well, where do 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.119 I begin with putting staff on socials? It really has 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.000 become a trend and I've seen a lot of people 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.280 talking about it online and I also saw this one 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.119 video in particular who was by a creator I can't 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.800 remember their name, but she was saying it popped up 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.560 on my for you page and she said she thinks 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.959 that this trend of staff in social media is going 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.680 to die soon and that it's going to become a 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.880 thing of the past, which is crazy to think, but 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.600 I kind of agree. And the tricky thing with putting 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.000 staff on socials and like having a face of the 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.160 brand is it's kind of being done now by a 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:01.120 lot of businesses in Australia to the point now where 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.000 if someone was to start doing it now, it's like 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.679 not new and exciting anymore because everyone's already kind of 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.160 doing it, like it's quite literally become a trend. And 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.040 what I want to talk about today is like the 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.799 behind the scenes of doing something like this. And I 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.680 can speak from my own experience. I have staff on socials, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.680 and whilst it can be super fun, super beneficial for 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:26.720 your business, there's so many risks involved. And I want 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.400 I hope that business owners out there listen to this, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.240 who may be doing this already or thinking about it, 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:36.880 because there's so many layers to putting your staff on socials, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.640 and so I'm going to talk you through. I guess 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.680 what it is like to have your staff on social 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.680 media and all of the things that I guess I 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.680 have in place and all the stuff that I've learned 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.760 over the years. So I guess I'll start with talking 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.760 about the brands that we do see on socials. And 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.920 I'm not throwing anyone under the bus here, but obviously 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.400 the biggest brands in Australia, which is still kind of 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:02.640 like smallish businesses. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.240 But the brands that are like doing this. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.480 The most is obviously your Sofa Dofa with her all 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.760 for Mimi and her newest employee, Bailey. He is like 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.800 the face of their brand on TikTok. You've also got 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.839 the Jazz hand Made team and their whole team is 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.400 on their tiktoks, as well as the Remy by Riiley team. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:29.720 It's three of them, and it's so interesting speculating these brands, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.040 and obviously we do it too, We've been doing it forever. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.280 It's interesting watching these brands. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:40.279 Because they're obviously a lot smaller teams, and just from 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:46.240 my own perspective and experience, watching like the lives of 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.120 these employees unfold, it reminds me a lot of when 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.719 I first started Fate, because I just see it from 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.480 a different angle to everyone else, and the reason why 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.200 it reminds me of that is because I can tell 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:00.880 that they're all good friends. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.719 I can tell that they're all just having fun. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.440 And it really does remind me of when I first 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.280 started Fate and I speak about this a lot on 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.560 my pod, just how different my whole business was back 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.919 in the day when I had, you know, two to 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.480 three employees and we're all just having fun. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:18.800 We're all hanging out. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.560 And I see their videos pop up for me all 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.720 the time, and they're making all their content at work, 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.880 but then they're going out for drinks and hanging out 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.560 and it's super fun. But I also think, holy shit, 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.200 like I hope that these businesses have some proper structure 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:37.479 in place, because the lines can become so blurred when 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.599 you're having that much fun with your staff. Now, don't 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.440 get me wrong, I love having fun with my staff too, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:48.200 but I learned a long time ago, years ago, when 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.120 I ran into a few instances where those lines had 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.400 become super blurred, and it was like, are we friends 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:59.279 or are we employee and boss? And I think I 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.440 can say this, I mean I say everything here on 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.360 Big Business. It's a little secret safe space on the internet. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.400 I so vividly remember back in my early early days 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.240 when I just had, you know, three people working for 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.159 me and maybe like two casuals and we had the 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.880 one store. One of the defining moments for me back then. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.080 And this would have been five years ago, Like this 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:22.920 is so long ago. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:23.320 Now. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.640 I had an employee that was working for me and 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.960 she would always be late, always be late. And I, 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.000 mind you, this is five years ago, Like I'm a 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.520 little baby business owner. I have no idea what I'm doing. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.239 And I had become really good friends with this girl. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.440 We were hanging out outside of work. We were going 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.800 to the pub, we were going out, we were getting drunk, 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.200 and it was all good and fun and that was 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.440 great for me at the time. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.200 But I didn't realize that I couldn't do that. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.000 Kind of stuff because it's just not what you should 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.720 be doing when you're running a workplace. And she would 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.160 always be late, and I remember I would kind of 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.080 bring it up to her and I would kind of 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.000 mention to the whole team. And by the whole team, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.960 I mean like the whole three people that were working 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:05.200 for me. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.040 But I'd kind of say, you know, like let's all 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.039 get to work on time. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.080 And it would be a lot of sorry, like that's 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.280 just me and that's just who I am, and I 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.920 would kind of laugh it off because we were friends. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:16.160 You know. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.720 I didn't have that boundary set in place or that 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.320 sense of authority in my workplace that no, I'm the 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.400 boss and I if I tell you that I need 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.400 you to show up on time like everyone else, I'm 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.320 serious when I say that. And it got to the 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.280 point where I didn't know what else to do, because, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.720 like I'd said a billion times, like you need to 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.120 be on time, Like you can't just keep being late 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.680 every day, and it was by like fifteen minutes and 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.160 twenty minutes, like it was always all over the shop, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.120 and this person would always say, sorry, that's just who 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.560 I am as a person. And now me now in 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.680 twenty twenty five, if I had a staff member that 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.600 was consistently showing up late and I was saying to them, look, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.080 you need to be on time, if they said to me, 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.080 I'm sorry, that's just who I am as a person, 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.080 I would straight away say you can't, like that's that 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.640 doesn't slide in a workplace like fair enough if you're 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.400 late to everything, but showing up on time is showing 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.600 respect to your whole team and everyone else that's showing 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.120 up on time, Whereas back then I was a little 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.280 fucking pussy, so I didn't know what to say, and 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.000 I'd be like, Okay, well try next time, Like you know, 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.720 I just wasn't assertive, and so it got to the 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.440 point where I had no choice but to give this 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.840 staff member a warning letter. Now, I'd never given anyone 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.400 a warning letter because my business was basically brand new 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.160 and I had like two and a half staff members. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.720 So I sent it to her in an email because 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.280 that's how fucking petrified I was. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:34.000 And I sent it with. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.360 This massive, long winded email about I know that we're friends, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.320 and I'm so sorry to be doing this to you, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.640 but I feel like you're giving me no other choice 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.000 and I don't want to be doing this. And again, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.920 reflecting on back then, I should have sat her down 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.400 in person, but I was friends with this girl. I 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.040 didn't know how to be a boss. I'd never been 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.760 a manager or a leader in my life. Like I 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.920 was doing everything wrong. The whole thing blew up in 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.239 my face, even though I was so nice in my email, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.720 and I was like, I really don't want to be 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.079 doing this, but please just be on time, like, here's 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.040 this letter, read it, get back to me, blah blah blah. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:09.920 And because I. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.560 Had allowed the lines to be blurred between us being 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:19.080 friends and employee and boss, it was I can't believe you've. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.559 Done this to me. How dare you? 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:27.160 You know? Because the workplace wasn't solid, It wasn't a 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.160 me being the boss and her being my team member. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.440 It was us being friends, having fun every day, fucking around, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.079 drinking on the weekend. And it absolutely blew up in 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.120 my face. And that was one of those moments for 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.920 me where I went, holy shit, I don't think I 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.960 can be friends with my staff. And so back to 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.000 all these businesses and brands that we see on social media. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.200 While it's all fun and games like it reminds me 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.560 of back then when I would be so casual with 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.640 my staff and go out for drinks and I'd be 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.720 involved in their relationship drama and tea and everything. You 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.200 just can't fucking run a workplace like that, take it 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.680 from me. Especially if you want your workplace and your 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.839 business to grow bigger and bigger, and if you want 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.439 to become something amazing, you cannot. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.120 You can't be besties with your staff hanging out. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.959 And that's one thing that I notice in these videos 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.439 that I see online. Whether it's just for the cameras 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.680 and maybe they're not friends, I can't say, but this 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:28.600 is just what I see from the outside in. Now, 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.960 what is it like to put your staff on social media? 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.240 Obviously it can be amazing and fun, and it can 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.120 make your business absolutely blow up. Versus you know, paying 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.000 an influencer a heap of money and hoping that they 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.800 can make your business go viral. Your staff member could 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.640 make an off the cuff video on their lunch break 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.240 and it could absolutely blow up your business, which is amazing. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.679 With us and our workplace, we obviously have familiar faces 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.040 that people see popping up on our social media across 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:00.400 Instagram and TikTok. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.400 And one thing that we are massive on is consent. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.240 So obviously there are people hired in our business and 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.080 it's part of their job description that they are going 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.600 to be in content. You know, for example, our social 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.240 media team, when they're doing their interview process with us, 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.839 you know, it's in conversation, it's in their employee contract. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.000 Are you willing to be in our social media content? 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.839 And they're signing up for that, and they know that no. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.520 One is being exploited. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.040 And when that one particular TikTok video that I saw 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.920 of someone talking about this popped up, I remember reading 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.120 all of the comments and people were saying, like, these 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.880 staff are being exploited. I think when someone is applying 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.360 to be the face of the brand on social media, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.640 they know that they're going to be the face of 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.880 the brand on social media. I can't speak for these 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.680 other businesses, but I'm ninety nine percent sure every staff 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.080 member that is on the social media of a brand 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.040 they know that, and they're willing to do that, and 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.000 they've signed up for that. Now, in terms of our 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.240 other staff, like every now and then you might see 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.400 like a team video or a team post. We are 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.480 massive on consent every single time. So let's say, for example, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.480 I'm going to the warehouse and I'd love to do 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.240 a video where I need like a bunch of people 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.360 in it, like it can't just be April and I. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.760 We will then go around the warehouse, or we'll even 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.240 let them know the day before, Hey, we're coming over 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.320 and we're filming this cool trend. We need like five 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.280 people If anyone wants to be in it, and our 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.319 staff that aren't hired to be on our social media 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.240 have every right to say to me, I don't feel 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.080 like being in it today, and I take absolutely no 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.920 offense to that. And that's what we're massive on is 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.880 just only putting people on social media if they say yes, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.679 and one day they might be in a video and 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.880 the next day they might be like, nah, not today, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.000 and we're like that is more than fine. There's no 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.520 expectation in our workplace that people have to be in content. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.520 It's quite literally just if they want to be in it. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.719 Absolutely I'm going to love that, and we're going to 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.040 make content with them. But in no circumstance would anyone 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.520 ever be forced to be put on our socials. And 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.320 if there is someone that says to me, I never 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:09.679 want to be on your social media. I don't want 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.959 you to show my face anywhere, I would one hundred 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:17.560 percent respect that, and that is so so fine. Now, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.319 going back to that TikTok video that I saw, I'm 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.160 gonna have to find that because I want to stitch 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.360 the video and like talk about this episode. There were 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:31.240 also a lot of comments surrounding Sofa Dofa and Bailey 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.040 And for those of you that don't know Sofa Dofa 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.840 is like an Australian influencer and she started a clothing 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.600 brand called All for Mimi, and then she's hired Bailey 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.720 as like the content creator in the face of the brand. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.040 But from what it seems on social media, she's hired 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.880 him for this position. But it seems that they've become 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.559 best friends because just the way that they are gallivanting 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.320 around the world together, it looks like they're really really 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.440 good friends. And again that's just my observation from social media. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.680 If for Dofa goes on a lot of brand trips, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.120 she went to Coachella, She's been going all over and 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.800 Bailey is right there with her. And so all these 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.960 comments that I saw on this other person's tiktoks were like, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.480 where do they draw the line? Like they're sharing a 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.280 bed every night, he's running to go and get her 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.800 food like almost like an assistant. And then he was 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.280 saying that he's really tired in one of the in 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:23.960 one of the videos, and then people were coming to 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.920 his defense saying, well, he'd just been a Coachella, of 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.040 course he's tired and he's on a different time zone. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.960 And people were also saying how do these staff members 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.760 get compensated for these trips? You know, like are they 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.920 getting paid or are they just there for the free trip? 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:39.680 How does it work? 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.240 And I can't speak to any other company, but the 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.640 way that our staff get paid. For example, if we 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.520 are doing let's use our fate model search for example, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.480 I had Kim Claire and April traveling around to do 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.400 our model search with myself, and they get paid for 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.440 their regular working day, like they always do their eight 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.320 hour day, and then if they do any overtime let's say, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.680 for example, like it ends up being a ten hour day, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.840 like they'll get paid for the ten hours and then start. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.920 Our staff also get a travel allowance. So not only 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.880 will they be getting paid for like their standard day 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.240 and the work that they're doing, but they'll also get 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.240 paid for the time that we're sitting at the airport, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.000 the time that we're traveling on the plane, the time 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.120 that we're traveling in the uber. The moment that they 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.480 stop getting paid is when we all stop and we're 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.080 just absolutely chilling. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.040 And again, like I can't. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.680 Say how sofa dovera pays Bailey or how anyone pays 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.680 anyone when they're taking them on these trips. But I 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.360 would only assume that they are being fairly compensated for 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.120 all of their travel time. When people are traveling, we 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:52.120 also cover all of their meals, obviously, their accommodation. What else, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:58.200 April's in the studio here with me, Everything, absolutely everything. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.480 But again, I've never taken like you, for example, on 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.400 an overseas trip, Aprils. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:04.720 Not yet, she's saying. 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.880 So I can't speak to those other businesses that have 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.440 taken their staff overseas, but I can only assume that 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.840 they would have some sort of agreement in place that's 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.560 you know, you're going to get paid for the hours 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.520 that we're working, like we'll work eight hours a day, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.480 and then also for any travel time, transit time waiting 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.720 at the airport. If the flight's delayed and we're just 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.520 sitting there for hours, the girls will earn money for 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.520 all of those hours. If our flight got delayed in 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.440 Melbourne or something, one time we will sit in there 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.520 for hours. They will get paid for every hour that 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.080 we're waiting, as well as all of their food and 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.520 coffees and everything in between. So we obviously make sure 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.680 that our staff are being compensated in that way, and 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.440 I guess talking to the points that were made about 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.200 them sharing a bed and needing to have time apart, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.480 I think that comes down to what works for them. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.040 I know, this whole thing of staff being on socials 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.480 and going on overseas trips, it is an HR nightmare 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.400 for those of you that are in HR. Just the 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.320 thought of it is a HR person's nightmare. But when 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.959 we traveled around for our Fate Model search, like we 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:10.840 just say, like, does anyone want to share a room? 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:11.240 You know? 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.960 And then I think Kim and Claire were happy to 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.439 share a room some nights April and I had our 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.560 own rooms, and then other nights we were together and 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.080 we really don't mind. But I would only hope that 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.040 these businesses and business owners would have it in them 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.720 to kind of say to their employee, you know, are 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.120 you wanting to bunk with me? Would you prefer your 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.400 own space? Because at the end of the day, when 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.280 it comes to workplaces, it's all about that open communication 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.200 and getting consent for everything from content all the way 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.800 through to what they're do you want to sleep in? 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.280 And do you want to listen to me? 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.040 Snoring, but I don't snore, so April's in luck for 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.000 the times that she's. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.280 Shared shared in bed with me. Actually, I'm calling you 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:49.680 out apes. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.119 You have a little snore sometimes, but it's only like little, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.200 so I can deal with it. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:59.040 If it's an aj kind of snore. We're getting separate rooms. Now. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.320 Onto the risks that come with putting staff on socials 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.520 and what happens when they leave. This is where the 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.600 lines become so blurred and business owners have to be 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:11.280 so careful. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:12.960 Whilst it's amazing. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.959 To have a face of your brand and have one 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.560 of your employees kind of dominating your social media, what 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.040 does happen if that staff member leaves one day? What 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.080 happens if that staff member is being late all the 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.960 time and you behind the scenes have to give them 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.000 a warning letter and they say, how fucking dare you 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.840 give this warning letter to me, even though I was 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.520 the one being late. What happens then when they're so 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:39.160 within your community. I mean, your guess is as good 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.160 as mine. And we have had people over the years 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.399 that have been a part of our Fate team and 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.600 they have been in videos and then they've left, maybe 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.400 they've moved overseas, maybe they went and got a job 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.399 somewhere else. And then you will have people commenting, and 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.640 I've experienced this myself. You'll have people commenting, where did 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.239 so and so go? Like why is so and so 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.800 not in the videos anymore. That's when it becomes very 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:07.720 confusing because you're platforming your staff and they're becoming a 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:08.560 social figure. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.800 But at the end of the day, you're running a workplace. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.920 And I think what a lot of people don't realize, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.040 and because when people ask like where's so and so 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:17.320 or what's the tea? 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:18.320 Why did she leave? 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.600 You know, I think people don't realize people come and 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.919 go from workplaces every single day all around the world. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.720 And I've spoken about this before in other episodes of mine, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.879 but I have come to terms with the fact that 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.760 not everyone's going to work at Fate Forever the same way. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.520 Not everyone's going to work it all for men forever 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.399 the same way. Everyone's not going to work it remy 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.760