WEBVTT - Sharri | 11 March 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:02.880 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:09.680 This is Sharry Good Evening Tonight, the AFP accused of 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.399 being played by the offshore Australian criminal. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:14.760 At the heart of this hoax. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:19.040 They refuse to share his identity with New South Wales police. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.119 Until just two weeks ago. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.200 My exclusive report in a Moment also tonight, Tony Birth 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.560 blames Peter Dutton for confecting a crisis as media now 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.600 downplay anti Semitism. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.000 Ray Hadley would join me live with his reaction. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.400 Our new polling shows of four teals could lose their seats. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.760 Holly Hughes and Brodwin Bishop will be here to. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.840 Discuss plus is the cost of living crisis causing families 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.839 to have fewer babies. So I'll talk about this with 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:54.000 Kelly Sloane. But first tonight, the AFP stands accused of 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.880 mishandling the joint counter terror investigation into the caravan bomb plot. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.080 To Night revealed that the AFP fell for a hoax 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:08.280 by an Australian criminal living offshore, a source they treated 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:13.480 as credible and even agreed to keep his identity secret from. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.800 Other authorities they were working with. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.800 The AFP has now been accused of being played by 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.440 their source who claimed to be aware of credible and 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.160 ongoing threats against the Australian Jewish community, and this included 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.280 a threat against a prominent Jewish businessman who's required twenty 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:34.200 four hour. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.600 Police protection for more than a month. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.640 Despite insisting that New Southeweal's police act on their informants intel, 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.759 the AFP then withheld the identity of the source. This 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:51.040 led to immense disagreements and unrest at the heart of 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.320 the joint investigation that was meant to be investigating the 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.000 anti Semitic threats. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.080 The unrest first. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.240 Came to light when the AIA went public to say 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:02.880 that there. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.600 Could be foreign actors behind these attacks. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.560 The AFP's investigative lines of inquiry are looking at whether 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.320 some individuals have been paid to carry out some antisep 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:20.760 medic acts in Australia. We believe criminals for hire maybe 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:26.560 behind some incidents, so part of our inquiries include who 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.640 is paying those criminals, where those people are, whether they 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.920 are in Australia or offshore, and what their motivation is. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:42.359 That claim was based on their secret source being located overseas, 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.680 and the media and the Prime Minister repeated that claim. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.200 Yet New South Wales Police publicly said at the time 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.440 they had no knowledge of any foreign actors being behind 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.560 any of the anti Semitic attacks in Sydney. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.960 We will work with our national counterparts. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.480 If the AFP and other jurisdictions had information relevant to investigations, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.320 then we need to have that information. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.320 The AFP had been referring to their informant, who was 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:18.000 an Australian criminal based offshore. New South Wales Police didn't 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.639 know about any offshore link because the AFP deliberately withheld 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:29.639 information that source's identity, despite the investigation being a joint operation. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.200 With New South Wales Police. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.080 Now, despite their claims on Monday's at Monday's press conference, 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:41.640 the AFP did not know initially that the caravan bomb 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.880 threat was a hoax, but New South Wales Police were 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.040 immediately concerned that it was suspicious, and The Daily Telegraph 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.800 reported that on the day they broke the story, New 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.800 South Wales Police were comfortable with investigating the caravan packed 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:02.280 with explosives under Strike Force PEERL that's the task force 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:03.720 that they set up to. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.400 Deal with hate crimes. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.000 Now, my sources tell me that it was the AFP 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.920 that insisted on escalating the caravan plot into a joint 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:19.880 counter terror investigation, which then also included officers from ASIO 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.000 and the New South Wales Crime Commission. In recent weeks, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.719 the AFP's offshore source they'd been taking. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.560 Seriously was deemed not credible. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.040 Multiple sources told Sky News that the AFP only informed 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.800 New South Wales Police of the identity of this Australian 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.440 criminal as recently as. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.120 Two weeks ago. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.600 We put this to the AFP this afternoon and an 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:55.719 AFP spokeswoman said that the AFP had received specific specific 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.680 information about the presence and location of the caravan on 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.680 Jazz January the nineteenth. The spokeswoman said all threats are 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.520 taken seriously by the AFP. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.200 It was a decision by all the agencies. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.760 The AFP, ASIO, New South Wales Police and the Crime 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.120 Commission that the matter be investigated by the New South 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:21.240 Wales Joint Counter Terrorty. Well, this was such a bungling 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.080 and mishandling that there are now calls internally for an 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.279 investigation into how the matter was handled by the AFP 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:35.880 and also a review into joint investigation arrangements. But the 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:41.440 revelation that organized crime is behind some anti Semitic attacks 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:48.040 is now helping to fuel a campaign to downplay the antisemitism. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.680 Crisis in Australia. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.320 Now, as you've heard, the caravan packed with explosives turned 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.360 out to be a criminal conjob. But that's been seized 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:02.400 by some commentators and titians who are trying to suggest 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.679 anti Semitism is actually not that serious or that violent 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.400 a problem. They're even saying we should all be comforted. Well, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:16.039 that suggestion is plain wrong and downright dangerous. Let's just 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.719 have a look at some of the anti Semitic attacks. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.279 Real attacks that we've witnessed. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:26.640 The preschool fire, bombing, the New Town's synagogue, ars an attempt, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:32.160 the cars torched and the homes vandalized outside Alex Riftrin's 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.880 former house, the synagogue fire. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.479 In Melbourne, just to name a few. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:45.320 The motivation behind these attacks, whether it's anti Semitic ideology 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:51.719 or other criminal purposes, is utterly irrelevant. Let me say 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.719 that again, the motivation is irrelevant because these attacks on 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:01.440 Jewish property were real and could have cost lives. A 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:06.799 preschool was destroyed, the Adash Synagogue destroyed by flames. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.200 I walked in it just a couple of days afterwards. 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.440 And on the weekend I spoke with the owner of 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:19.000 Lewis's Continental Kitchen in Bondi, and she's devastated that the 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.360 fire destroyed her business, that no one ever speaks about it, 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.840 and yet her business still isn't back up and running. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.560 Yet we've seen so many commentators and politicians now using 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:35.160 the fake caravan plot to downplay this crisis, saying. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.520 The Jewish community should be comforted. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.960 Well, in many respects, it's even more terrifying that organized 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:43.680 crime is. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.880 Involved in some of these incidents. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.239 Given the easy access to serious weapons and the means. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.320 To commit the attacks, there's no comfort here. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:08:00.240 Those people now downplaying anti Semitism never wanted to speak 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.160 about it in the first place. Hatred and attacks on 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.680 Jews were an inconvenience to them. Now, the police revelation 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.720 that the caravan of explosives was a hoax has given 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.640 them an opportunity to gaslight our community. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.000 And that's exactly what's unfolding now. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.480 And it's a point Alex Ripten touched on in chrias 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.200 Keunty's program a bit earlier. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.280 And I think there's elements of our society that have 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.360 never wanted to admit that there's an antisemitism crisis. Have 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.720 never wanted to grapple with it. They found it to 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.320 be an inconvenient truth. And I think the revelations by 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.320 the police and their investigation has given them the pretext, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.760 pubs and excuse to brush aside antisemitism and pretend that 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.000 what's transpired in our streets and in our cities for 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.520 the past seventeen months hasn't happened. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:50.840 Now. 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.160 Even Tony Burke acknowledged the motivation for anti Semitic attacks 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.560 was irrelevant when the ABC asked him this completely absurd 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:05.199 question that anti semitism could be revised down. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.920 Do we need to revise down our understanding the number 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.680 of genuine anti Semitic attacks that have taken place, or 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:18.280 when these kind of attacks generate fear anyway, how do 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:19.240 you balance all of that. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.079 Well in terms of the impact on the community. The 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.520 impact on the community and the fear from the community 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:33.120 is similar. If there's a chance of graffiti or firebombing, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:38.960 or whatever threat there might be coming from to cause fear, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.120 coming from organized crime or coming from people who are 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:48.760 motivated by antisemitism and hatred, then an individual will receive 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.280 it the same way. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.480 A zero Director General Mike Burgess couldn't have been clearer 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.679 when he said anti Semitism was the single greatest concern 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.080 from a threat to life life perspective. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.640 What's your assessment about the increase in the level of 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.199 antisemitism right now? 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.320 In terms of my organization, our threats are faced, threats 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.080 to life, threats to way of life. In terms of 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.200 threats to life, it's my agency's number one priority because 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.120 of the weight of incidents we're seeing play out in. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:23.079 This country, no less than the Director General of ASIO. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.960 Yet never mind what he has to say, because of 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.200 course the likes of Tony Burke and the ABC and 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.079 the nine network know better. You heard the ABC's question 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.520 already and here was Chan on nine News this evening. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.240 So I add Massoui is one of fourteen people arrested 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.240 after the Dural caravan investigation uncovered the wave of antisemitism 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.840 across our city was a criminal hoax. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:55.600 The wave of antisemitism across our city was a criminal hoax. Well, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:11:00.480 Tony Burke, who keeps accusing Dutton of politicizing antisemitism, Well 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.480 he wasted no time politicizing. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:03.880 This police response. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.720 Burke hit the airwaves to attack Dutton for saying that 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.600 this could have been a terror attack. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.080 On one day in the Parliament he made the assertion 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.360 that we were dealing with a planned mass casualty attack 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.600 four times in less than an hour, like he was 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.240 just off well. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.160 Tony Burke failed to mention that both the Premier Chris 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.280 Mins and the Prime Minister his boss, said the exact 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:29.920 same thing. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.160 It's designed to create fear and terror. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.320 In the community and it will not succeed. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.040 This is the discovery of a potential mass casualty event. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.200 There's only one way of calling it out and that 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:44.000 is terrorism. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.520 That's what we're very worried about. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.960 But Tony Burke claimed that Peter Dutton deliberately didn't want 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.840 to be briefed. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.480 He deliberately chose to not find out and so what 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.320 we had was a situation where quite deliberate Peter Dutton 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.720 made a decision to not find out the facts from 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.200 the Australian Federal Police, to ignore the advice from ASIO 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:12.040 in lowering the temperature simply because it suited his self 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:17.720 promotion ambitions. Now that is the very definition of being 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.400 reckless with national security. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.360 But Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson this afternoon said 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.479 that Burke's claims that Dutton had refused briefings were nonsense. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.560 He said the AFP had briefed them and that nothing 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.319 was mentioned about the caravan plot being a hoax that. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.040 Theory developed later. 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.120 As I've told you tonight now, Dutton has also entirely 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:41.520 rejected the allegation. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.200 If a proper offer for a briefing was offered, we 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.319 would have taken it. In my nine years in the Parliament, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.960 I have never, on one occasion turned down a national 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.600 security a law enforcement briefing. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.600 We requested a briefing on the twenty second of January, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.960 we requested a briefing about a week later. At no 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.720 time during those briefings or my discussion with the Director 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.199 General of ASIO, including up to and including on the 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.520 eighteenth of February, was it any mention whatsoever. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:08.080 Of a hoax. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.800 Tony Burke was also very worried about the Muslim community 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.120 being blamed for anti Semitism. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.880 There is no doubt that throughout this and you only 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.280 have to look at the combination of what was said 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.480 on radio at the time, what was said on social media, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.240 the blaming and the suspicion of the Muslim community throughout 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.240 those attacks is something that was well and truly part 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.199 of the public narrative. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.880 So his affronted that the Muslim community would receive any 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.240 blame for anti Semitism. Yet like it or not, we 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.920 have seen blatant, an extreme anti semitism from parts of 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.959 the Australian Muslim community. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.240 Have a look, you. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.720 Have no idea how many Israelik a dog came to 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:57.440 this hospital. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.920 I'm smiling and I'm happy, I'm insited. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:04.800 It's a day of courage. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:20.040 Proudly if you likes that are not if they would 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.720 have depart me from Asia or not? Did you have 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.000 the solution for Domna? 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.520 But as you know, Tony Burke has preferred to speak 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.640 about Islamophobia over anti Semitism, and when there was a 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.880 single social media threat made to a mosque, he rushed. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.000 To visit it immediately. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.160 Yet when the Adash Synagogue was destroyed by fire, he 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.520 took four days to visit. Tony Burke makes a huge 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.240 fuss whenever there's a social media threat. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.240 To a mosque or Muslim school. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.960 But I don't know of any prominent Jew who's heard 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:00.720 from the minister when they've received equivalent or worse death threats, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.440 but never mind the facts, because this is all about 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.600 political spin. And Tony Burke found a cheerleader for his 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.720 argument in the Citney Morning Herald's political editor, David Crowe 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.040 the irony of Crow, writing today that Dutton has cheerleaders 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.200 in the media and on Sky when he's running Albanesi 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.320 and Burke's political lines. Crow writes that Dutton could have 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.000 sought more briefings from authorities. By going so hard and 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.760 being so openly partisan about national security, he is more exposed. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.359 Now the facts have emerged. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.240 Well, that was the precise talking point of Burke, as. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.240 You've already heard. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.520 David Crowe then claimed that Dutton had created a confected 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.560 anti semitism crisis. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:46.600 He wrote, why was he so. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.680 Quick to create a confected crisis out of a criminal plot. 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.120 He increased the alarm about the caravan in ways that 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.920 added to community anxiety about terrorism. He gave more publicity 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:04.200 to the con Well, the crisis, an alarm and anxiety 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.320 was not because of a caravan found with explosives. It 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:13.160 was because of the two thousand actual incidents of anti Semitism, 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.520 including violent crime and arson attacks, that took place last 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.920 year and that were reported to Jewish groups. If the 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.800 City Morning Herald really believes that this is a confected 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.640 crisis created by the opposition leader, then they're more removed 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.280 from reality and more beholden to the Albin Easy political 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.560 agenda than we thought. The truth is, left leaning media 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.400 outlets were very slow to cover anti Semitism in the 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.800 first place, and now they're using the caravan as an 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:48.720 excuse to downplay the crisis. This is categorically a campaign 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:54.000 of terror and violent crime that has targeted Jewish homes, cars, businesses, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.120 and the community. And no matter how you spin it 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.960 all the motivation of those behind it, it doesn't detract 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:09.520 from the lived reality. Okay, let's get reaction to this 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.960 now from tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House for 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.359 Oman Bishop and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.800 Welcome to you both. Holly, starting with you, what did. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.760 You think of the way Tony Burk has politicized this today? 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.359 It's just appalling and there is just so much to 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.760 unpack here. I mean, was there a caravan filled with explosives? 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:29.560 You know? 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.440 Were they not explosives? Were they part of the hoax? 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.200 When was the Prime Minister briefed on this. He has 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.479 refused to say consistently when he was briefed on this 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.840 matter at all. And I think we do need a 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.880 really serious investigation here if the AFP have somehow been 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:49.520 exposed with this investigation with their sources and the fact 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.240 that they weren't communicating with the New South Wales Police. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.160 As you said, Chris Mins and the Prime Minister himself 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.240 have both claimed that this was possibly a mass casualty 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.800 incident waiting to occur, and Tony Burke has just picked 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.320 out Peter Dutton here to attack. If he really wanted 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.960 to attack anyone for saying anything, he could have gone 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.639 Chris Mins as well as the Prime Minister. But I 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.600 think maybe we might find out when New South Wales 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.120 Police did brief the Prime Minister when he was bought 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.800 in on the loop, because at the time this all happened, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.399 it very much looked like he couldn't be trusted with 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.879 this sort of an issue. The whole thing is incredibly messy. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.800 But to try and deny anti Semitism, to try and 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.880 deny listening to the least you were going through all 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.840 the cars that were done in Ocean Street, the graffiti 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.520 on restaurants down there out the front of people's homes 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.320 which are right near the manual in synagogue. It has 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.880 just been absolutely appalling what we've seen across not only 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.600 New South Wales but in other states. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.600 And the truth is that while the criminals were paid, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.600 the authorities don't know if they were also motivated because 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.160 the way this worked is a job offer was put 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.600 up on encrypted messaging app. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.639 Criminals could then take the job. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.359 They might have been ideologically motivated as well as taking money. 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.880 Anti anti Semitism has always been infected by a criminal 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.320 element and that's just a matter of fact. So why 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.480 would you be surprised the criminals are involved. As for 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:20.159 Peter Dutton, when you look at who you believe, Premier 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.320 Mins or Prime Minister Albow, which one would you say 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.679 has more credibility? Every time Mins Mins came out, the 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.840 Peace Commissioner came out and made a very strong, powerful 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.280 statement based on the information that they had. Of course 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.080 Peter Duttin would to accept that information has been legitimate 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.000 and go out and say what Albow will not say. 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.560 It was merely mouthed again when he said, oh it's 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.320 a terrorist organization or terrorists happening but the man has 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:54.200 no credibility. Of course you'd go with Mins and Albanesi 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:58.040 in that sense was a little mister echo. So it's 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:02.520 a story that is slithering and slow everywhere and the people. 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.720 You were quite right to point out that those who 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.159 want to bury the anti Semitic movement that's going on 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.280 in this country and try and say that Islamist hatred 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:17.880 doesn't exist, misleading our fellow countrymen. That's clip shoes show. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:18.960 Particularly of the. 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:24.000 Noon who was elated at the murder, slaughter rape Bernie 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.640 babies of October the seventh, How could you in any 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.520 other way express the hatefred that truly exists and say 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:33.960 something has. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:34.639 To be done about it. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.119 And it was Albert who failed to come in at 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.399 the moment when that demonstration occurred on the Opera House 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:43.480 fore court. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.320 That's where the rod began, exactly exactly. I'm going to 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:48.359 come back to this topic. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.600 I've got a senior former AFP Perston on my show, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.359 Olso Ray Hadley. But now let's turn to some of 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.080 the other big news today. The Australian share market went 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.560 into meltdown, twenty five billion dollars off the ASX and 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.960 this of course follows concerns that Trump's tariff trade wall 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.040 could spark a recession. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:08.320 In the US. 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.520 Holly, I mean this is you know that Trump has 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.800 always pointed to the markets as a measure of his success, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.520 so this should be troubling him. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.120 And look, I think if you look even in Australia today, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.960 there's been a reaction here to what happened in the 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.160 US and the tariff wars are obviously playing into that. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:29.879 And I think when we look at what's happening in 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.800 the Australian market, it doesn't look like we're going to 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.080 get an exemption. We've been helped along by a few 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.520 former political luminaries, we might say this week coming. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:40.840 Into the country Court. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.560 Absolutely no relevance deprivation syndrome at all. 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:46.520 But you know these are the. 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:48.960 Sorts of things that feed into our markets and confidence 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.280 at home. But the reality is Australians have been in 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.800 a per capita recession for almost two years, so this 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.240 could actually make the cost of living crisis worse when 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:02.280 Australians already doing it incredible, and it does. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.320 Look now Bromwyn, I mean the Trey tariff's sore due 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.600 to kicking on the twelfth tomorrow, our time, Thursday, you 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.520 know our time if it's in the US. So it 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.960 doesn't look like the Albanesi government's going to get an 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:14.680 exemption here. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.960 Well, I'm not surprised by that, because all the people 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.080 who have been out there lobbying to say, look at us, 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.760 we're really good guys are people who've been out there 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.359 beating up on Trump, and he's got senior people surrounding 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.760 him who are adamant about what behavior has gone on. 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.400 Now for us, we want to protect it. But it's 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.480 very interesting for me, who sat in that parliament for 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:44.960 nearly thirty years and to be involved in politics for 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.800 much longer than that. I have sat and seen governments 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.280 get elected saying we're going to cut waste, we're going 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:55.000 to change the system, smaller government, and we're going to 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.720 really go on a new track. And guess what, nothing happens. 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.800 Even Ron Reagan's commission into waste, what do we find 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.960 gold plated toilet seats on an aircraft? So what Trump 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.000 is doing is something entirely different. Robert got leaves and 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.960 writes some very interesting articles and dealing with this and 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.040 the way he talks about the tariff being almost like 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.320 a GST being imposed at a federal level. And you 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.320 might remember that when the GST was imposed here in Australia, 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:28.160 inflation leapt to six percent, but it was offset by 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:33.560 tax cuts and the abolition of the wholesale sales tax, 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.360 and it came back down again, and it did then 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:41.440 change the way taxation operated here. What Trump is saying 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:46.400 is he wants to see America reindustrialized. To do that, 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:47.920 he can't do it without. 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:48.960 Bringing down interest rates. 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:54.359 The crash of or rather the stock market coming down 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.720 also the bond rate means that there is going to 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.120