1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday May six, twenty twenty five. Senior Indigenous Leader 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Marcia Langton says Anthony Albanesi must use his new power 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: to be courageous in Aboriginal policy and go beyond acknowledgments 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: of country to real solutions for extreme disadvantage. That's an 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: exclusive live now at the Australian dot Com dot Au. 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: The government and opposition up back in Canberra, with Anthony 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Albanesi planning a reshuffle and the Liberals dealing with the 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: loss of their leader, a ballot for the top job 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: in fighting in the senior ranks, and now an exodus 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: of donors. The Australians revealing today Anthony Albanesi is seeking 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: new trade deals with the European Union and India, offering 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: to shake up policies from the luxury car tax to 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: critical minerals. That's as Donald Trump announced a whopping one 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: hundred percent tariff on all foreign made movies, sending the 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: Australian film industry into a spin. The count continues in 17 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: the Senate, with the Greens bragging they'll host the balance 18 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: of power, but how well did the Greens really do 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: it this election? And could Labor and the Liberals team 20 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: up to freeze them out all together? What? 21 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Two? 22 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: This is what the Greens used to be like? 23 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Full five. 24 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: In this campaign ad from two thousand and seven, a 25 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: little girl picks petals off a daisy. She's adorable in 26 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: a field of flowers, nature unspoilt, but her innocence is 27 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: contrasted with a world melting down, fire, flood, filthy, industry, 28 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: belching fuse. 29 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: The stakes are too high to ignore climate change, Take action, 30 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: Vote Green, Looking and authorized by Bob Brown, Australian Greens camera. 31 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Now the Greens sound more like this. 32 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: One of the things that we are incredibly proud of 33 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: is our role in keeping Peter Dutton. 34 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: Out visus Green's party leader Adam Bant, who's talking a 35 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: big game. 36 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: The Greens have achieved a record Senate vote. We're nudging 37 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: fourteen percent. The Greens are now in soule balance of 38 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: power in the next parliament. 39 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's national editor and Dennis, we're 40 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: here to talk about the Greens and the Senate. Adam Bant, 41 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: the leader of the Greens, is fighting to hold on 42 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: to his own House of Representative seat of Melbourne. But 43 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: he's very confident. Has this been a good election for 44 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: the Greens. 45 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: It's been a disaster. And what Adam band is doing 46 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: is adopting the spin that the Greens have done over 47 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: the last five consecutive elections. The Greens have gone backwards 48 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: the Queensland State election, the Northern Territory election, even in 49 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: the Green Dome of the Act in Canberra and the 50 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: Act election. They went backwards in the Brisbane City election 51 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: and now they've gone big time backwards at the federal election. 52 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: Now what he says is true, their bigger overall vote 53 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: is better, and that's what they said about the other 54 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: results as well. But if the Greens votes are not concentrated, 55 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: if they start to defe use as has happened in 56 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: those three key seats in Brisbane, then they start to 57 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: run up against the power of the Labor Party and 58 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, or the two of them combined, and 59 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: they start to lose seats. If Adam Bant, of course, 60 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: loses his seat, then his leadership is a moot point. 61 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: But if he doesn't and he does hold his seat, 62 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: his leadership may still be in danger. It is Adam 63 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: Bant putting the best spin possible on what is a 64 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: bad election result for the Dreams. 65 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: The only barrier to getting dental into medicare now and 66 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: passing it through the Parliament is labor. The only obstacle 67 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: to making childcare free is labor. The only obstacle stopping 68 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: new colon gas mines from being opened is labor. We 69 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: stand ready in the Senate to make this the most 70 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 3: progressive parliament that is Australia has sain. 71 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: So just looking at the Senate, what are they left 72 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: with now in the Senate, Well. 73 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: We expect that I'll have eleven seats. With eleven seats, 74 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: that means that they can be the sole arbiter of 75 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: the balance of power in the Senate. That Labor has 76 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: to come and deal with them. But that's where we 77 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: have another misrepresentation by Adam Bant. The biggest single block 78 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: apart from the Labor Party in the Senate is the 79 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: coalition the Liberal Liberal National Country, Liberal Party and Liberal 80 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: Party senators. They are the biggest single block and it 81 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: is the coalition senators who, if they decide to do so, 82 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: can make the decisions in a deal with Labor, which 83 00:05:54,480 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: makes the Greens totally irrelevant. They are irrelevant in the House, 84 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 2: as are all the Teals, no matter how many they 85 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: end up with, and they may end up with fewer 86 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: than they thought. They will be irrelevant in the House 87 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: of Reps. And the Coalition can make the Greens if 88 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: relevant in the Senate. 89 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: It's not so long ago that we were thinking about 90 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: the possibility that Labor might need the Greens in the 91 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: House of Representatives to govern. But in reality, the Greens 92 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: are in a lot of parts of Australia more of 93 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: an enemy for Labor than the Coalition, aren't they? 94 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: Oh, certainly, And Anthony Alberanezi made it clear for months, 95 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: and I must say he's been saying quietly that he 96 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: thought Labor would be able to defeat Adam Bant in 97 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: his home seat of Melbourne. He's been saying that for 98 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: months now. That hasn't come up in the polling, but 99 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: it has been part of Anthony Alberanese's belief and his 100 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: strategy and tactic because when it looked like the Labor 101 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: Party may at best get returned in Minor, Antony Alberenese 102 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: and the ALP campaign decided they would target the Greens 103 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: the Greens were on the nose generally, and Labor made 104 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: sure and Anthony Albanese consistently said we will not deal 105 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: with the Greens, and the Greens said, and this is 106 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: I think a mistake by Adam ban very early, saying 107 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: we will do what we have to do to keep 108 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton out. He dealt the Greens out of the equation. Now, 109 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: of course, as it turned out, with this massive majority, 110 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: a historic majority for Labor, the Greens are well in 111 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: a way irrelevant in the House. They may even be 112 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: wiped out of the House. This has always been part 113 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: of Labour's plan and what we're seeing is spin from 114 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: the Greens because they are not the sole balance of 115 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: power in the Senate. It is now the Coalition is 116 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: the second largest group after the Government. 117 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Let's have a look at that seat of Melbourne, which 118 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon Adam Bant said he was confident about, 119 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: but of course he acknowledged that as postal votes coming 120 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: that they would be less likely to favor him than 121 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the other candidates. That was a Labor seat for most 122 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: of its history. Now Adam Bant holds it. It's a 123 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: very urbane, sophisticated inner city seat Dennis, and now the 124 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: possibility is that it would go back to Labor. What's 125 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: going on there at this election? Why is Adam Bank 126 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: at risk of losing his seat? 127 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: Well, the Greens of course were always going to have 128 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: trouble in the inner city seats, particularly those with high 129 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: Jewish votes. They have failed to win Wills from Peter Khalil. 130 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: They were confident that the Greens would win Wills, confident 131 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: that they would win Macnamara. Well, not only have they 132 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: not won those, they've lost two others, maybe three, and 133 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: maybe Adam Bant's own seat. So there is no doubt. 134 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: As the Jewish leaders have said that, the Greens have 135 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: suffered from their pro Gazan, pro Palestinian, toxic anti Israeli position, 136 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: which has been taken as being anti Semitic. It also 137 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: was seen to be aligning itself, the Greens aligning themselves 138 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: with violent demonstrations, not to mention being seen as far 139 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: more extreme than Labor when it comes to rent control, 140 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: negative gearing, capital gains, tax, all of those issues and 141 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: in those electorates, some of them quite wealthy electorates, they 142 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: are issues that count. 143 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: Coming up. How the major parties could freeze out the 144 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: Greens all together. Rent free on Medicare, free mental health 145 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: on Medicare. Those are the things that Adam Bank spent 146 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: the election talking about. Is that part of the issue 147 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: for the Greens, Dennis, that their foundations as an environmental movement. 148 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Of course, they had their first senator elected in Bob 149 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: Brown in nineteen ninety six, and you and I are 150 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: old enough to remember when they were ridiculed as snugglepot 151 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: and cuddlepipe. They were the ferries at the bottom of 152 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the garden, kind of cuddling toadstools that ground the environment 153 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: and climate is now something that Labour talks about, even 154 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: the coalition talks about. Have they lost their kind of 155 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: reason for being now? 156 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: Well, when you consider Peter Dutton, they've lost. But the 157 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: one thing he did about nuclear energy was framed as 158 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: an environmental issue. And yet the Greens who used to 159 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: lead a charge out there, you know, ban uranium, bit 160 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: like banning oxygen, they have failed in this campaign because 161 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: they have moved so far away from the environment to 162 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: radical politicization of issues that there are older Greens who were, 163 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: by the way, you know, turning the first the people 164 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: who actually voted for Bob Brown, that you mentioned in 165 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. How old are they now? The Greens 166 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: have aged, the Greens have become gray Greens. They have 167 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: moved out into more affluent suburbs, and this is part 168 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: of the loss of the Green's power. The other issue 169 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: is their economic irresponsibility, and this is where there is 170 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: a real weakness and an opportunity for the Decima Liberals, 171 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: because any smart coalition leader would turn around and say 172 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: to Anthony Alberanzi, listen, we don't want you to have 173 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: to deal with the Greens, so join us in a 174 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: let us join you in an economic responsible way. If 175 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: the coalition can say to the public and to the government, 176 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: we can do away with the balance of power situation 177 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: for the Greens, they can then do that and completely 178 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: make the Greens irrelevant to match their falling support and 179 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: their falling performance across the country at different levels of government. 180 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: That would require quite a bit of courage from a 181 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: new Liberal leader or new letter of the coalition. 182 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: Well, the Liberals have to decide who they want to represent, 183 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: who they want to get back. Anthony Albernasia, in an 184 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: interview with The Australian during the campaign, said one thing 185 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 2: he wanted to do was make Labor the party of aspiration, 186 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: and that is where the Liberals need to direct themselves. 187 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: Putting themselves over on the side of one nation away 188 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: with Clive Palmer, both of whom have done very poorly, 189 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: only makes them even more marginalized. Yes, it's going to 190 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: take courage, but huh, they're going to need courage to 191 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: get any sort of credibility back. 192 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's National editor. 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