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Speaker 1: Apogae Production. Welcome back to another episode about I a

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Speaker 1: Mad Mum podcast. I feel like we're on the countdown

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Speaker 1: now to Christmas, and I feel like so many people

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Speaker 1: put their trees up in November. That's weird for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a few have told me that they're up.

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Speaker 3: I am not that person, but at the same time

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Speaker 3: kind of felt like it we're killing a few hours

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Speaker 3: on the weekend. I sort of looked and the thought

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Speaker 3: crossed my mind, and then I thought, fuck, no, I

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Speaker 3: can't be bothered early.

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Speaker 1: This is probably really like o c D of me.

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Speaker 1: There's a part of me that feels sad when I

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Speaker 1: put Christmas decorations up because I like how my house

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Speaker 1: is with the stuff it's got in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you know when you have to do start cluttery,

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Speaker 1: packing away certain things to make room for the Christmas decorations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I want it. Like So, for example,

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Speaker 1: I've got my cousin and his family coming over at

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Speaker 1: Christmas and they're just going to see the house with

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Speaker 1: Christmas decorations because I want them to see that.

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Speaker 2: Half is that they might like that. They want love Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Some people just love Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Gracie and I went shopping for groceries and ended up

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Speaker 3: somehow in pillow Talk. But it was funny because we

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Speaker 3: passed Tkmax and she said, why don't we go in

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Speaker 3: and look at Katie's paper Shop?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, how do you know that that's

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Speaker 2: Katie's chop? But anyway, walked into pillow Talk. The lady

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Speaker 2: was like, can I help you?

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Speaker 3: Yadda yadda, and they've got like lots of sales on

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Speaker 3: but all of the Christmas stuff is new, and I went, oh,

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Speaker 3: is that for the Christmas stuff too? Not in my

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Speaker 3: mind wanting to read because I'm not that person that

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Speaker 3: changes the color every year. No, I will recycle and

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Speaker 3: reuse majority of it. We might add a little couple

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Speaker 3: of things, a couple of things, but nothing crazy.

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Speaker 2: And when I.

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Speaker 1: Went to the post office and they were selling that

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Speaker 1: Christmas like light up Star, Yeah, and I bought it.

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Speaker 1: It was nowhere near Christmas, No, it.

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Speaker 2: Was probably January.

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Speaker 3: I think that it was, Gracie goes, oh, so will

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Speaker 3: this come down in price?

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Speaker 2: For the Black Friday sales hadn't even crossed my mind,

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Speaker 2: and my twelve year old daughter is asking. I was like, yes,

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Speaker 2: get a girl. And then she was like.

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Speaker 3: Then she looked at me, she goes, well, let's just

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Speaker 3: wait for the Black Friday sales and come back. Then

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Speaker 3: she was like, because she would like to change a

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Speaker 3: few things on the Christmas tree. I was impressed, so

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Speaker 3: I said, yes, we'll come back. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: in my head, I was like, I'm not changing the

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Speaker 3: color scheme. But like, I know people that changed the

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Speaker 3: color scheme like every two years.

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Speaker 2: Really not for me.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't even remember what my color scheme is.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a color scheme. It's just like gold

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Speaker 3: and just drove whatever's on. Although I did upgrade from

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Speaker 3: tinsel to this like stuff, it was like a heavier rope,

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Speaker 3: still got a fleck of you know, gold through it,

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Speaker 3: but it was a heavier robe that doesn't drop tinsel everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a tinsel fan, oh man.

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Speaker 3: When the kids are younger, one hundred percent, you have

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Speaker 3: to have tinsel because they love putting their shit all

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I remember our house and

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Speaker 1: my mom put all fucking decorations all over the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: all hanging from the ceiling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot image all that tinsel.

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Speaker 1: We have to Oh shit, I'm like a tree, that's enough.

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Speaker 2: Same, We've got a tree in a corner that is us.

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Speaker 1: We've got a cat, so no ball balls from like

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Speaker 1: mid tree down.

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Speaker 2: This is so funny.

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Speaker 3: I only just had a conversation with another friend who

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Speaker 3: said that her mum is actually buying a Bunnings gate.

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Speaker 1: What they called like a child gate, a fire like.

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Speaker 3: the dog doesn't eat the ball balls. The dog, the dog,

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Speaker 3: and me in my hat. I was like, blood our cat, Trev.

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Speaker 3: He must just be too old. Now, maybe he doesn't

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Speaker 2: So then he just walked off.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what happens with our dog? And

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Speaker 1: what happened with our dog last year? I wrapped up

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Speaker 1: Toy, every little toy every year. She gets so excited

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Speaker 1: is for her. She unwrapped her own present when we

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Speaker 1: the wrapping paper was left. I was like Where the

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Speaker 3: She's like, this is great, Now you're gonna get me

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Speaker 3: another one.

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Speaker 2: Am I a bad mom for not knowing what to do?

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Speaker 3: That's always but this one is in coming in at

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Speaker 3: a different angle. And we always talk about this whole

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Speaker 3: in a pickle with Elsie.

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Speaker 2: Else's just hit that next peak.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know that untapped confidence that they start to

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Speaker 3: becoming like the king of the castle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what to do.

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Speaker 3: And I remember being tough with Grace, but she just

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Speaker 1: And I do think that because I hear this quite

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's always had it, this kid like people go, oh, wow,

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Speaker 3: you're an amazing parent. You got your child out of

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I didn't do that.

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Speaker 3: I let her watch Gracie and she wanted to do

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Speaker 3: what Gracie does, So she was on the toilet.

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Speaker 2: I want to wear an appy anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and then you fast forward it and

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Speaker 3: like I think it was like two. She's on like

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Speaker 3: a scooter, a two wheeler scooter, just burning around, helmet on,

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Speaker 3: no dramas, running into the side of glass doors, like no,

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Speaker 3: nothing scared her, nothing, just the confidence. Yeah, and Gracie

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Speaker 3: she's fuck man, she's rude at the moment, she's rude. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and Nanade is copying it lately, like left Front Center,

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Speaker 3: like some of the rudest shit. I would never have

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Speaker 3: dreamed of speaking to my grandparents the way that she

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Speaker 1: I will say, and that's not nice, Like it doesn't

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Speaker 1: when you were being spoken to you so rude. However,

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Speaker 1: there is an element of she's safe to be around, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you know how, you know how they say with kids,

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Speaker 1: like kids play up with the parent that they see

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Speaker 1: the safest like, they'll give you a hard time because

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Speaker 1: they know you're safe, right, So Nan obviously is a

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Speaker 3: Rud She's copying some of the stuff, O Katie. Genuinely,

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Speaker 3: this morning, I was going, what am I going to do?

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Speaker 3: How do I bring it back into line? And when

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Speaker 3: I say I don't want to crush your spirit, I

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Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because some people think.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're discipline your kids too much, they'll rebel,

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Speaker 3: you're crushing their soul.

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Speaker 2: They won't try and take on the world. That's not

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Speaker 2: what I want to do.

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Speaker 1: I had an issue where I had to do kind

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Speaker 1: of a similar thing to Holly, which is interesting because

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Speaker 1: actually when I knowing her and knowing how she feels

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Speaker 1: had to have the conversation around life doesn't revolve around you.

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Speaker 1: It's not all about you, And it is that kind

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Speaker 1: kind of putting them in their place. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a hard one to balance of being like, well, I

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Speaker 1: but no, no, I don't squash your personality.

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Speaker 3: But like, it's that fine line we talked about it

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Speaker 3: before on here of like that whole time and place,

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Speaker 3: so funny, YadA, YadA YadA. With someone else, we can't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm in this stage where me going what

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Speaker 2: What did I do?

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Speaker 1: I found that punishments weren't really working because they didn't

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Speaker 1: what they do care about is money, and so I

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Speaker 1: introduce the fine. You're gonna pay a fine. So it's

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Speaker 1: like it's almost like we laugh about the swear jar, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So when they're little, you go, oh, if you if

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Speaker 1: I swear, I have to give you a dollar or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's like that, But the other way around, it's like

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Speaker 1: if you're rude to me, I'm gonna take five dollars

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Speaker 1: out of your account. That's the price. It's the price

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Speaker 1: to pay for when you're rude. But be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how many times she does it before she goes, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I'm losing money.

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Speaker 3: It was so funny though, because like, yes, money is

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why we get fined for stuff. That's why

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Speaker 1: when we park in the wrong place, we get a

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Speaker 1: fine because then hopefully we won't park in that place again,

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Speaker 1: so not pay anymore for me.

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Speaker 2: My grandparents, my grandfather on my mother's.

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Speaker 3: Side, every time we sat down for dinner, because we

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Speaker 2: Things these days.

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Speaker 3: But like we'd get to dinner, we'd sit down, you'd

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Speaker 3: all be like three, yeah, I had brothers glore, And

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Speaker 3: then we'd sit down and then like there was a

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Speaker 2: He never never touched us with it, never.

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Speaker 3: But there were a few heightened moments where he would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the good old days, they got right.

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Speaker 3: And so I spun that out on the table and

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Speaker 2: with parenting, you can't do any of that anyway.

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Speaker 1: You can't hit kids with belts anymore. Remember when they

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Speaker 1: like our parents the caine, you got hit at school

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Speaker 3: The only one teacher that mum remembers, his name was

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Speaker 3: put it above your something because he used to pick

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Speaker 1: I had a teacher pilled mister Potter.

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Speaker 2: Funny, he.

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Speaker 1: Didn't pick a snotter me.

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Speaker 3: And I said, if a teacher did that to me

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Speaker 2: That is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: It is disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Wow that Caine.

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Speaker 2: It's not throwing.

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Speaker 1: Mister Potter picked a snotter. Oh imagine being known for that.

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Speaker 1: Is a teacher, Mister potterpiced, not