Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installment of the
Speaker 1: year project. It's been difficult over here. I've been trying
Speaker 1: to get a break in the conversation. These two distractions
Speaker 1: to my left and right on my screen just wouldn't
Speaker 1: even let me start the show because they're so chatty.
Speaker 1: Good morning, TIV, Good morning, Good morning Patrick, Good morning Patrick,
Speaker 1: and Fritz.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry you ordered his sweet speak now did you?
Speaker 2: You're complaining about me talking too much? So I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I'll have a bit of time out.
Speaker 1: Oh look at you being hilarious, just a bit of comedy,
Speaker 1: straight up hanging. I just got to go get a
Speaker 1: needle and thread to sew up my sides. God, hello, Patrick,
Speaker 1: Hello Fritz. Why doesn't Fritz talk? He's a dog and
Speaker 1: he doesn't understand. He's very cute. Look at that. That's
Speaker 1: a fucking lovable face. He seems very stoic. Now I've
Speaker 1: figured out what kind of dog. I've narrowed it down
Speaker 1: to two dogs.
Speaker 3: Okay, what are we getting?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: See, I feel like it's a no win situation because
Speaker 1: whatever dog you say that you're thinking that you might get,
Speaker 1: there's going to be people that go no, definitely don't
Speaker 1: get one of those, because they'll eat your fucking house
Speaker 1: when you're asleep, or you know, they'll dig up your garden,
Speaker 1: or or they eat too much, or they die too early,
Speaker 1: or they get hip displaysure or so what's see, I
Speaker 1: haven't even told I haven't told anyone this, So I'm
Speaker 1: telling the whole world at once. So the first one
Speaker 1: is going to be no surprise because I've already had
Speaker 1: one golden retriever. The second one, seventy percent of our
Speaker 1: audience will go, I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: each three guesses, and if either of you guess it,
Speaker 1: I'll give you fifty bucks. But tif get off your phone.
Speaker 4: You're not allowed to.
Speaker 3: I'll try for that breed you talked about. Is it
Speaker 3: that breed you talked about the other day that I
Speaker 3: won't read?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Then then you're out, so you straight on my You know,
Speaker 4: what about a harrier? Nah, it's a harrier? Okay?
Speaker 2: What about an Alaskan melomotor in the ballpark?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is that going to get twenty five bucks?
Speaker 1: No? No, the dog I'm thinking about, but it's like,
Speaker 1: this is not a dog. You get lightly like this
Speaker 1: dog is a commitment, and that's why I'd probably lean
Speaker 1: more towards the Golden Retriever because they're just like me,
Speaker 1: fat and lasyer and eat food, fat la Lasian like
Speaker 1: cuddles a Belgium Melamoire, which they're they're they're kind of
Speaker 1: like a slightly smaller German Shepherd and some say smarter
Speaker 1: and better in that kind of highly trainable, fiercely loyal,
Speaker 1: and I no, I don't want a big, alpha male dog. Everyone.
Speaker 1: I just love them, like I've met a couple and
Speaker 1: they're so fucking cool.
Speaker 4: It's like black faces. Yeah, gold with a black face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're like a human, lower maintenance anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I've got to wait till I finish
Speaker 1: my PhD because I just don't have time to like,
Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing I think. And you
Speaker 1: both dog owners, but I think if you're going to
Speaker 1: get a dog, like for me, I want to train
Speaker 1: the dog really well and invest the time properly in
Speaker 1: the first six twelve months to build a relationship, create
Speaker 1: good dynamics, and train that dog in it. Not so
Speaker 1: that it's fucking weapon, but just I think it's irresponsible
Speaker 1: to have a totally untrained dog, and because they just
Speaker 1: don't like because dogs are pack animals, they like being
Speaker 1: led as long as they're loved and all of that.
Speaker 1: But you know so, I feel like, especially if I've
Speaker 1: got a Belgium Melamie, I really need to invest some
Speaker 1: time into some proper training because if you don't train
Speaker 1: some dogs, they're fucking nightmares. But if you train them properly,
Speaker 1: they're great. If you're looking at one right.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yeah, And you definitely don't want one of
Speaker 3: those untrained.
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: No terrifying no things.
Speaker 1: So one of the guys that I listened to, his
Speaker 1: name's Tim Kennedy, is Special Forces x USC. He's got
Speaker 1: one and he calls it the fur Missile. So what
Speaker 1: are you doing over there, Ti, if you're talking to
Speaker 1: your dad?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just popped his head in the studio, Make
Speaker 3: Luna for a walk.
Speaker 1: Tell everyone what's happening in your world before we get underway,
Speaker 1: because it's it's there's lots going.
Speaker 5: On, speaking of animals.
Speaker 3: I am going to be off on a plane to
Speaker 3: India tomorrow, and so my dad flew in yesterday. He
Speaker 3: is manning the chaotic house that is bear.
Speaker 5: And Lunar HQ. So he's learning the ropes.
Speaker 3: He's learning the ropes, and he's getting rap around the
Speaker 3: pores of those who run the household here.
Speaker 1: Do they love him already? I mean they know him.
Speaker 3: Yesterday I was in the kitchen and I could just
Speaker 3: hear giggling like a schoolgirl. And I snuck my head
Speaker 3: around the corner and Dad's on the couch with a
Speaker 3: doner on him, with Luna under the doner, with him
Speaker 3: smooching him, and he's giggling. And then when they're four
Speaker 3: hours after going into hiding, when he first arrived, came out,
Speaker 3: next minute she's he's laying under the doner and she's
Speaker 3: on top of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's hilarious. I wonder if I wonder if this
Speaker 1: is a probably a dumb question, but maybe not. Patrick.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that that the animals would know that
Speaker 1: TIFF's dad is TIFF's dad because there's some smell or
Speaker 1: sense or some genetic familiarity.
Speaker 4: Well, that's a really good question, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Like they have like incredible senses.
Speaker 2: I think what they would sense is how Tiff feels
Speaker 2: about her father, So wow, he comes in and she
Speaker 2: is relaxed and loving towards her dad.
Speaker 4: That would be what they would sense, is what my friend.
Speaker 1: Well, TIFF's dad and Tiff and I had a coffee
Speaker 1: yesterday at one forty five, and by about two oh seven,
Speaker 1: TIFF's dad was nearly fucking asleep at the table. The
Speaker 1: poor old bugger. He was just he hit the wall
Speaker 1: because he didn't sleep the night before, and he was
Speaker 1: a little bit he was a little bit hyper aware
Speaker 1: about ticking all the boxes and going through the airport
Speaker 1: and getting everything. Was a little bit worried about some
Speaker 1: of that. God bless him.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a little nailed it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a little bit your conversation too, what maybe
Speaker 2: fall asleep?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it was definitely me. That's actually a
Speaker 1: good point. I didn't think of that, Maybe because I'm
Speaker 1: a boring prick. Yeah, no, thanks for bringing that to
Speaker 1: my attention. I was thinking it was a lack of
Speaker 1: sleep back in therapy for me. Now, now just quickly, Tiff,
Speaker 1: you're heading off to India tomorrow. Yeah, what's the what's
Speaker 1: the update? You organized? I know you're not organized, but
Speaker 1: where you are?
Speaker 3: Well, I started packing yesterday and I realized that I
Speaker 3: don't have any India friendly clothes when the description was
Speaker 3: loose fitting and cover your shoulders. So I had to
Speaker 3: duck out yesterday IVO and get some loose fitting linen
Speaker 3: pants and stuff. Yeah, but we've got a tight what
Speaker 3: do you call it, baggage allowance, So it's a challenge.
Speaker 3: I'm not good at packing. I normally take twenty kilos
Speaker 3: for a week in tazzy.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned.
Speaker 3: There's a lot early mornings coming up.
Speaker 1: And I love your rationale that you told me. You
Speaker 1: say about how they wanted you to take all of
Speaker 1: these prescription drugs for dysentery and all the potential stomach
Speaker 1: ailments that you might you know, and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: fuck it, other people will take them. I'll just use
Speaker 1: theirs if I get sick taking. I'm not sure that's
Speaker 1: a good plan.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not taking a bunch of prescription medication to
Speaker 3: go and sit in the bush and then have all
Speaker 3: of us that have no idea go, oh, we should
Speaker 3: take this prescription medication that we're not sure what we've
Speaker 3: got and we should take it.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Now, all you do, what you do is you have
Speaker 2: it all lined up. You google it and say right,
Speaker 2: this is for diarrhea.
Speaker 4: This is for this, this is for this.
Speaker 2: You don't have to read it, just say, okay, there's
Speaker 2: my diarrhea tablets. There's my tablets for headaches, there's my tablet.
Speaker 1: You know what you can do. You can just take a.
Speaker 3: Two week supply of protein bars and eat only that.
Speaker 1: The only problem is the water. You know what you
Speaker 1: can do is just chat, dear chatters. Okay, here's my situation.
Speaker 1: I'm in the jungle. I'm pooing through the eye of
Speaker 1: a needle. These are my drug options. I'm standing by
Speaker 1: for directions.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you, though, if you don't rely on
Speaker 2: other people's stuff, Because when I went to China for
Speaker 2: the first time, my tied cheek group is predominantly older women,
Speaker 2: twenty years older than me, so I get mothered the
Speaker 2: fair bits. But we got to the university in a
Speaker 2: place called bed to Her and there's no coffee, and
Speaker 2: one lady has brought those little tea bag type coffee,
Speaker 2: you know, the Harris coffee that's like in a tea bag.
Speaker 2: You reckon, satles, you reckon. She's going to share it
Speaker 2: with anybody.
Speaker 4: Man. She's selling the shit. People really see people's colors
Speaker 4: when they're the only one with an essential drug.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, perrel watch out hey, speaking of I
Speaker 6: don't know this is irrelevant to our general theme of
Speaker 6: the show, but fuck it, you'll both find this interesting.
Speaker 1: So it was Melissa's birthday yesterday, shout out to Melissa
Speaker 1: twenty three, and this is she'll probably kill me for
Speaker 1: telling you this, but fuck it. So Melissa has been
Speaker 1: Melissa has no drugs. She's never been drunk, she'd never
Speaker 1: been high, she never had a sip of alcohol. She
Speaker 1: doesn't drink coffee, she doesn't drink tea. But she's jealous
Speaker 1: of us coffee drinkers, right because I go, I tell
Speaker 1: her how fucking amazing coffee is and that she's missing out,
Speaker 1: and just like a good what do you call a
Speaker 1: drug dealer, I'm just like trying to get her over
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So, anyway, she started drinking coffee purely just for the
Speaker 1: cognitive benefits of having some caffeine in her system, because
Speaker 1: she works a lot, right, and so by about two
Speaker 1: or three pms she sometimes hits the wall. So she's
Speaker 1: having like a lunchtime coffee and she hates it. But
Speaker 1: she goes and buys a coffee. She thinks it's disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's the worst shit she's ever tasted. So for and
Speaker 1: her and I have an arrangement where we don't buy
Speaker 1: each other birthday presence. Right, But I heard this thing
Speaker 1: advertised on the radio called Wakey, Wakey. Have you heard
Speaker 1: of it? I know, I know it sounds like no, Patrick,
Speaker 1: it's not the second line that you think of either.
Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking. I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: that because I'm not going there on this podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: doing one episode with no dick jokes.
Speaker 2: Right, No, anyway, story is that I'm talking about today?
Speaker 2: Have you read my notes?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I have? That's funny. That is funny. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: you're opening that door, not me. But anyway, So I
Speaker 1: went to the supermarket and I couldn't anyway. They've got
Speaker 1: these little they're like Baroka chew tubes full of these
Speaker 1: pills or these large tablets and they have the equivalent
Speaker 1: of a cup of coffee. Now, not that I'm suggesting
Speaker 1: anyone does this, but I thought, well, she's only doing
Speaker 1: it for the caffeine, and we're talking about a six
Speaker 1: dollar present. So I didn't really buy her anything. But
Speaker 1: so I just got her. I haven't given them to
Speaker 1: it yet, I'm saying yet, but i'll So I bought
Speaker 1: her these things where you can buy them, and it's
Speaker 1: orange flavored, no calories, no sugar, So you get a
Speaker 1: coffee without having a coffee. So I told her. She's
Speaker 1: quite excited.
Speaker 4: What about an.
Speaker 1: Well, that's different, that's different altogether, you know, do you know,
Speaker 1: like while we're opening this door on nootropics, So nootropics
Speaker 1: is cognitive enhancing. So any drug that has a nootropic
Speaker 1: effect is a potential cognitive benefit, thinking clearer and sharper
Speaker 1: for longer, and even improving IQ for a period of time.
Speaker 1: We know that people think that's a joke. Like your IQ,
Speaker 1: your functional like actually fluctuates during the day, right, so
Speaker 1: obviously your cognitive performance, just like your energy fluctuates through
Speaker 1: the day. So your functional IQ fluctuates through the day,
Speaker 1: and your IQ actually improves after you lift weights for
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, but it also does with coffee
Speaker 1: and nicotine. Patrick is really widely used. Oh really, people
Speaker 1: think oh yeah, yeah yeah, so and again everyone, this
Speaker 1: is just a conversation, no recommendation, no prescription, no endorsement,
Speaker 1: But so Nicorette two and four milligram chewing gum sells
Speaker 1: like fucking hot cakes back in the days when hotcakes sold. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of my friends use that, like at least twenty
Speaker 1: of my friends use that, and it's ay. But the
Speaker 1: problem is, like with all drugs, if you use it
Speaker 1: too much, it doesn't work. If you use it every day,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And so but the odd, the odd
Speaker 1: piece of nicorette seems to be I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: a good idea, but it seems to be effective. So
Speaker 1: people who let's say they've got they've got a focus
Speaker 1: for three or four hours because they've got some big
Speaker 1: meeting or something where they've got to be cognitively switched on,
Speaker 1: they'll do that. Another one also, another one which is
Speaker 1: much safer and also the most research supplement on the
Speaker 1: planet is creatine, which I use every day. Creatine and
Speaker 1: gladly endorse. Again, it's not a recommendation, but I use.
Speaker 1: It's very very it's a naturally occurring thing in the body.
Speaker 1: And there's also someone i'll shut up after this, but
Speaker 1: some really interesting research that's come out recently for people
Speaker 1: who are sleep dep revised a sleep sleep deprived, which
Speaker 1: I sound like I'm sleep deprivived. People who are sleep
Speaker 1: deprived are using what they call megadoses of like four
Speaker 1: or five times and normal things, so like thirty grams
Speaker 1: or twenty five grams instead of five as a dose,
Speaker 1: and that seems to offset the lack of sleep, which
Speaker 1: is not a solution, but it's just something that some
Speaker 1: people are doing. So there it is. Patrick.
Speaker 4: I was just reading up on creatine.
Speaker 2: I didn't know much about it, but it says that
Speaker 2: it's most often found in seafood and red meat, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, holy crap, I better look for vegan creatine
Speaker 2: because I'm not getting any.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you could just I mean, it is
Speaker 1: like if everybody's listened. Everybody who's listened to me knows
Speaker 1: I never endorse or recommend anything but I but I
Speaker 1: can say that I use that and it works. I
Speaker 1: can also say that I've had a few nicorette chewing
Speaker 1: gums over the years, but I've probably had in my
Speaker 1: life ten and I don't smoke. And by the way,
Speaker 1: not that nicotine is great for you, but it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not actually the bit of the cigarettes that cause cancer.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I don't. I generally don't use it,
Speaker 1: but if I have, if I need something where I've
Speaker 1: got to be up and about, I've done that a
Speaker 1: few times and it kind of switches on the brain
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, you too, feel so this is a
Speaker 1: conversation you too. Yeah, So when I stopped talking, that's
Speaker 1: a queue for one of you, two fucking dummies to
Speaker 1: start talking.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, let me start the whole.
Speaker 1: Fuck have you two been on a podcast before, so
Speaker 1: let me.
Speaker 4: Just not gas bagging.
Speaker 2: You just don't shut up so we can't get a
Speaker 2: worded Edgeway, I'm part.
Speaker 5: Of the audience. I'm going to leave this whole thing.
Speaker 1: The modelogue.
Speaker 4: I love this.
Speaker 1: Ah fuck, It's true. Even I get sick of me sometimes,
Speaker 1: So I don't blame you. You know, it wasn't until
Speaker 1: this podcast that both Tip and I learned how to
Speaker 1: fall asleep with our eyes open. Okay, all right, point taken,
Speaker 1: I'll be quiet.
Speaker 4: I hate that, but it's sorry.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want, whatever you want, whatever you want, sor right.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about Matte.
Speaker 4: I think I may have offended him. Tiff, She's so
Speaker 4: no sympathy at all.
Speaker 1: She does give a fuck. I'm just going to say
Speaker 1: before you launch on my list of topics that you
Speaker 1: sent through, it's always tech ai health Today. Working backwards
Speaker 1: from the list, I can see tech ai scams cars,
Speaker 1: and at the top of the list porn.
Speaker 4: Please explain. I thought that'd get your attention. Look, we
Speaker 4: don't often talk about porn, have we. We don't really
Speaker 4: talk about porn very often.
Speaker 2: So the first thing I can tell you, it's really
Speaker 2: funny this story is when I compile my notes. As
Speaker 2: you know, I often cheat, and I get one of
Speaker 2: my assistants to actually compile the list. So I get
Speaker 2: all the emails together and then I get them to
Speaker 2: compile it. But the guy who was helping me this
Speaker 2: week is seventeen, and I said, oh, don't put that
Speaker 2: story in because it's got links. So I didn't want
Speaker 2: him to put the porn Hub story in because I
Speaker 2: didn't want him to click on a link and potentially
Speaker 2: send him to porn Hub.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of So this is the heading
Speaker 1: that I see. Porn Hub colorizes vintage erotic scenes dating
Speaker 1: back to eighteen ninety six using AI. What a great
Speaker 1: use of technology.
Speaker 4: So they knew you'd like it now.
Speaker 2: What they did they used one hundred thousand current porn
Speaker 2: videos to teach AI what porn was, right, wow, yep.
Speaker 2: So they used it to analyze the colorizing. So because
Speaker 2: this stuff back to the eight ninety six, this titillating
Speaker 2: pawn because it wouldn't be you know what we're used
Speaker 2: to now. But what they did was they took this
Speaker 2: vintage footage of erotic scenes, but they trained it on
Speaker 2: current porn and then they added and colorized it so
Speaker 2: they to get the skin tones and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. And they're actually seriously remastered this stuff, so
Speaker 2: it's a it's a remastered film project, and there's a
Speaker 2: ten vintage videos of this erotica and where they weren't
Speaker 2: able to get any soundtrack that actually dubbed their own,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's seventies paorn soundtrack music.
Speaker 1: There's going to be some very distressed people out there going, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to see great great great great grandma? Like, firstly,
Speaker 1: why why why are we doing this? Well, it's just
Speaker 1: one of those because we can things, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I just look, maybe if they'd used AI to solved
Speaker 4: can to cure cancer or something might have been a
Speaker 4: nice idea, but it's porn, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, Yeah, so many things. I could say that.
Speaker 1: As I said, I'm going to try and refrain today,
Speaker 1: but I can't say that I'm going to line up
Speaker 1: to Have you seen it?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't clicked to and looked at it. Probably boring.
Speaker 1: Oh what do you mean?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know. I didn't want to click.
Speaker 1: Why is your voice going so high? Why do you
Speaker 1: sound like a twelve year old soprano all of a sudden?
Speaker 2: No, I just was worried that my If I clicked through,
Speaker 2: then of course it'll leave a cookie on my computer,
Speaker 2: and suddenly all the ads will be for things late
Speaker 2: to the pawn and we'll use my computer, my staff
Speaker 2: use my computer. I don't want to click on something
Speaker 2: I have. Yeah, it would just be highly inappropriate, I
Speaker 2: think to be all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, if people want to go and find that,
Speaker 1: Patrick will send you a link, then the federal police
Speaker 1: will be out his door at dinner time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, you'll find this interesting because we've
Speaker 2: had some really interesting, challenging conversations about belief systems, and
Speaker 2: this blows my mind. But there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who believe the Earth is flat, for example, but
Speaker 2: there are also conspiracy theorists that you believe, for example,
Speaker 2: that you know, Man never went to the moon, and
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of theories around that. And if
Speaker 2: you talk to somebody who is a conspiracy theorist, they
Speaker 2: have quite a number of really good rebuttals and arguments
Speaker 2: to support whatever the conspiracy theory is. So interestingly, what
Speaker 2: they've done is they've trained an AI model specifically to
Speaker 2: be able to argue against conspiracy theories. This is a
Speaker 2: team up between researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technologies
Speaker 2: at MIT, Cornell, and the American University. So what they
Speaker 2: did was they they created a chatbot call debunk Bot,
Speaker 2: and they were able then to sit down I think
Speaker 2: was over two thousand people and they would fire off
Speaker 2: their supporting arguments for a particular conspiracy theory. But because
Speaker 2: the AI was able to challenge those questions so quickly,
Speaker 2: nearly it was well nearly, quite a large number of
Speaker 2: them were actually shown to have reconsidered what their conspiracy
Speaker 2: theory was after sitting through three sessions of talking to
Speaker 2: the debunk bot. Because you know, when you think about,
Speaker 2: you know what people belief systems are. If I have
Speaker 2: an argument with you about something, you're usually an expert
Speaker 2: on that, and so it's very difficult to argue against
Speaker 2: the point that someone is really passionate about and potentially
Speaker 2: has researched a lot, whereas an AI can snappily get
Speaker 2: those results so quickly that it can debunk every single
Speaker 2: one of the arguments that's presented. And they and even
Speaker 2: after three months, they found a high percentage of those
Speaker 2: people were starting to challenge their belief system based on
Speaker 2: the arguments that they had with this AI chatbot.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's very interesting, and I think it's
Speaker 1: all you said, a really good thing or a really
Speaker 1: interesting thing, and you said that things that people are
Speaker 1: passionate about, the problem with that passion is that that's emotion.
Speaker 1: And so as soon as you're emotional about something, you're
Speaker 1: not rational or logical necessarily right. And it's the problem
Speaker 1: with us, all of us, and I mean humans, you
Speaker 1: may tiff, is that our beliefs are intertwined with our
Speaker 1: sense of identity. And so it's like when you go
Speaker 1: I am you're making an im statement. You say, I
Speaker 1: am a vegan. Well, that's an identity. I am a
Speaker 1: Collingwood supporter, I am a Buddhist, I am these I
Speaker 1: am statements. And then so regarding your belief and thinking
Speaker 1: about that particular ideology, philosophy, lifestyle, whatever, Yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: you and I'm the same. It makes you almost unteachable
Speaker 1: because you believe that you're right. So anything that doesn't
Speaker 1: echo what you think is right. So the fact that they,
Speaker 1: you know, did that and they got their responses really interesting.
Speaker 1: But also keep in mind that conspiracy theories exist for
Speaker 1: a reason. Like if you think that the government, for example,
Speaker 1: tell you everything, you're an idiot, because they definitely don't,
Speaker 1: and for good reason, I would imagine in many instances,
Speaker 1: you know. So the fact is that some conspiracies are
Speaker 1: actually true, a lot of them are not true, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's interesting. I wonder how long that would last.
Speaker 2: Kind of turnaround, Well, this MIT professor, he's the co author,
Speaker 2: guy with the name of David Rand and during his
Speaker 2: media conference he was saying that one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that AI was really overwhelmingly good is because it was respectful,
Speaker 2: it was non conspirat when you think about it, and
Speaker 2: you brought this up before the emotional side of it,
Speaker 2: because it's not emotional. It was able to get the
Speaker 2: explanations back in what was, you know, a rapid time,
Speaker 2: and it was able to tackle every single point, but
Speaker 2: it engaged in what they called critical thinking, providing the
Speaker 2: counter evidence. So there was no question from the other
Speaker 2: person's perspective. So the conspiracy theorist didn't feel like they
Speaker 2: were getting a red blooded, passionate other person on the
Speaker 2: other side of the argument, and what they were getting
Speaker 2: was just factual responses rebutting what they believed in. So
Speaker 2: it is an interesting way of kind of doing it.
Speaker 2: And you know, they talked about over two thousand adults
Speaker 2: they had conspiracy theories like the John F. Kennedy assassination,
Speaker 2: alien abductions, the world being flat and around it. I
Speaker 2: think around about twenty people were ready to walk away
Speaker 2: from their beliefs, and another high percentage when shown this evidence,
Speaker 2: showed a really strong sense of reconsidering what it was.
Speaker 4: That they had believed.
Speaker 2: So I just thought it was a really interesting use
Speaker 2: of AI and a third of the respondents left saying
Speaker 2: they were no longer certain of the belief and that
Speaker 2: persisted after two months. So in answer your question, after
Speaker 2: a two month period that was still their beliefs that
Speaker 2: they had still challenged that belief I.
Speaker 1: Think that a caveat needs to be I think that's
Speaker 1: interesting and I don't disagree with any of that or
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's not valuable. I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be an asterisk and a caveat,
Speaker 1: and that is that. I don't think we should just
Speaker 1: blindly trust artificial intelligence. I don't think that, you know,
Speaker 1: like I saw a post the other day and somebody
Speaker 1: had said, tell me, can you like somebody was asking chat,
Speaker 1: GPT or one of those AI tools, tell me a
Speaker 1: joke about Jesus and you know, and then it said
Speaker 1: tell me, and it told them a joke or a
Speaker 1: bunch of jokes about Jesus. And then it said, now
Speaker 1: tell me some jokes about Muhammad and it said, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't tell religious like it wouldn't right. And there
Speaker 1: was another one similar, like tell me basically tell me
Speaker 1: a story that makes uh Kamela Harris look, you know, silly,
Speaker 1: or and it wouldn't. But then with Donald Trump it
Speaker 1: would so not everything where it depends on what it's
Speaker 1: trained on. By the way, I don't think we should
Speaker 1: necessarily be telling jokes about Christianity or Islam or Jesus
Speaker 1: or Muhammad or I don't think so. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's just I think it depends on, like not everything
Speaker 1: that it produces is unequivocal truth. It depends on where
Speaker 1: it's getting its source of its information from.
Speaker 4: So the human bias of the programers is what you're saying,
Speaker 4: is also.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent because everything's programmed. Even it's like people
Speaker 1: think science is flawless, it's complete shit, like not sciences,
Speaker 1: but that idea, because science is a construct of the
Speaker 1: human mind. We created this idea and we go, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to test this hypothesis with these protocols. Then
Speaker 1: we're going to and this is someone who's like running
Speaker 1: his own research at the moment, And then you get
Speaker 1: the research, then you interpret the data, then you tell
Speaker 1: the world what it means. But the problem is all
Speaker 1: the way along there's human interpretation and every human and
Speaker 1: whether you're a minister or a scientist or an AI creator,
Speaker 1: like every single one of those people is still a
Speaker 1: human with bias. And the same with me, Like I
Speaker 1: recognize that when I have these conversations with you, my
Speaker 1: own bias, and there are times when you're right. No
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, and I don't want you to be right
Speaker 1: because it fucking bothers me. But you're right and I
Speaker 1: am wrong. Right, And this is we need to be
Speaker 1: able to acknowledge the human condition, and that is I
Speaker 1: am flawed. I look at the window through the world,
Speaker 1: through the Craig window I have. And until you can
Speaker 1: recognize and realize that, you're going to get a lot
Speaker 1: of shit wrong, and so is AI and so is science,
Speaker 1: then we're all kidding ourselves because we think I know
Speaker 1: the truth, but you don't. But the truth is, I
Speaker 1: think ironically, we don't really fucking know most things. We
Speaker 1: just think we know.
Speaker 2: And science always has a cab yet anyway, that this
Speaker 2: is a theory, So you know, the theory of relativity,
Speaker 2: the theory of gravity. You know, we can display and
Speaker 2: what you know, our best approximation of what we understand
Speaker 2: gravity to be. But it's still just a theory, you know.
Speaker 2: And when we talk about some of these, you can't
Speaker 2: have hard and far fast, one hundred percent proven facts.
Speaker 2: So science is always reticent to come out and say
Speaker 2: this is one hundred percent this, ah.
Speaker 1: But science doesn't communicate it like that. You're you're right,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, but you know so. One of the
Speaker 1: most famous fucking frauds of all time was by a
Speaker 1: guy called Ansel Keyes who ran a study. His essential
Speaker 1: theory was we've spoken about this couple of times on
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've spoken about it on our show,
Speaker 1: but he did a study that involved twenty different countries
Speaker 1: and his theory. Essentially, his hypothesis was that low fat
Speaker 1: equal low fat eating equals low fat people, and he
Speaker 1: basically dockted the results. He cut out thirteen of the
Speaker 1: twenty studies, so it went from a twenty country study
Speaker 1: to a seven country study because thirteen of the country's
Speaker 1: data contradicted his hypothesis, so he swept them under the
Speaker 1: academic carpets so people wouldn't know. He tried to hide that,
Speaker 1: and it went on and on and on, and the
Speaker 1: uncomfortable truth is that since the incidents and the occurrence
Speaker 1: of low fat eating, there's been a continual rise in
Speaker 1: all the countries that embraced that philosophy with obesity, you know,
Speaker 1: and so low fat, high carb high processed food, which
Speaker 1: is what they kind of in part recommended, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was allegedly the best science. So the food pyramid,
Speaker 1: that was the science. And now people are many, many,
Speaker 1: many people are kind of going, no, you know, so
Speaker 1: you and in ten years we're going to be thinking
Speaker 1: something else. It's a slippery landscape.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Hey, while we're on the topic of AI,
Speaker 4: I had a story I wanted to talk about that
Speaker 4: I really was adverse to. I kind of worry about this.
Speaker 2: So a few shows ago, I used AI to copy
Speaker 2: your voice and I did the of the show as
Speaker 2: you saying how good I was. So that should have
Speaker 2: been an indicator right off the bat that it wasn't
Speaker 2: really you.
Speaker 4: But what.
Speaker 1: Hell? What are you? What are you so nasty to
Speaker 1: me for today? Why are you picking on me today?
Speaker 4: Well? Have you ever? Let's listen to our past episodes.
Speaker 4: What I'm just getting really.
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't thrown you under the bus once today.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: Today, That's why I'm getting in early.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'll take it. Come on.
Speaker 2: So Audible, which is a subscription service that I really
Speaker 2: love because I love listening to audio books. They're now
Speaker 2: doing a limited training service of some of their more
Speaker 2: popular narrators and getting them to have their voices trained
Speaker 2: by AI with their permission for them to be able
Speaker 2: to read books using their AI voice. Now they will
Speaker 2: be getting royalties for it, so they're giving permission. And
Speaker 2: I kind of thought to myself, look, I kind of
Speaker 2: feel sad. I love the idea of voice acting, and
Speaker 2: some of the best audible books I've heard have been
Speaker 2: from so talented people. You know, sometimes you get one
Speaker 2: person who does the entire narration, does character voices, and
Speaker 2: I love that, and they're usually really talented actors. So
Speaker 2: I thought when I first saw this that it feels
Speaker 2: a bit sad. It feels like for somebody who does
Speaker 2: do voiceover work. I do on holds, I do voiceovers
Speaker 2: for corporate video and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And I thought, to myself, this feels a bit sad.
Speaker 2: Would I AI my voice and just you know, put
Speaker 2: the script in and just do it that way? What
Speaker 2: it feels like it's losing humanity. However, one thing that
Speaker 2: just occurred to me, and it happened this week. James
Speaker 2: Earl Jones passed away. Now, if you could, if I
Speaker 2: would beg you to think of another voice that is
Speaker 2: more iconic than James Earl Jones. You know Darth Vadamvasa
Speaker 2: from The Lion King. He has one of the most iconic,
Speaker 2: beautiful voices you've ever heard. Now, if his family consented
Speaker 2: and they trained an AI model on James Earl Jones,
Speaker 2: I'm really warring with this. It's not James Earl Jones,
Speaker 2: but it is James Earl Jones because it's sampled from him.
Speaker 2: It's using the nuances of his inflections and tonalities and all.
Speaker 4: That sort of stuff. But is it really him? If
Speaker 4: he narrates?
Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's interesting because what if you well, obviously
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just it's a program using his voice.
Speaker 1: But then but then maybe it is, like you think
Speaker 1: about if if you didn't know that it was AI created,
Speaker 1: but it was using his voice, you would have the
Speaker 1: same experience as if it was really him. It's the
Speaker 1: knowing that fucks it up, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's actually a really accurate points. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's the knowing that makes it not. But if you
Speaker 1: didn't know, it's like, remember you were telling was it
Speaker 1: you telling us about the Banksies?
Speaker 4: No? You know the art right? Last episode?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, I know We had that conversation, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't remember if you or I started. But you think
Speaker 1: about like you know it's a Banksye, it's worth two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. It really is a Banksy, but you
Speaker 1: think it's not. It's worth sixty dollars. It's not about
Speaker 1: the painting, it's about what you think you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking another very awesome voice, maybe maybe half a
Speaker 1: rung down Morgan Freeman. He's also right up there, isn't
Speaker 1: he like super voice?
Speaker 4: So you know what where my mind went is if
Speaker 4: you were blindfolded and put on a message table, I
Speaker 4: have very solh Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: You've obviously thought about this.
Speaker 2: A bit walked in and gave you a message and
Speaker 2: then I walked out.
Speaker 1: You've seen Tip's hands. She looks like a fucking construction worker.
Speaker 1: That's not even a joke. If somebody had to rub
Speaker 1: my back and ass, I would much rather you, because
Speaker 1: if you like getting fucking sand blasted.
Speaker 5: It would be good exfoliation. It's good for your skin.
Speaker 1: I don't want to massage from you, Eva, but thank you.
Speaker 1: We're still friends. But I don't want you rubbing my ship.
Speaker 1: But Patrick, maybe with a little bit of en you're
Speaker 1: in the background, and some fucking some baby oil. Just
Speaker 1: maybe Fritz licking my toes while Patrick does it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could think of worse things.
Speaker 4: I asked, I did notice.
Speaker 1: You you opened the door, and then I come in
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, how did that happen?
Speaker 4: You didn't just open the door, dude, You crow bart
Speaker 4: it and then widened it to make it French doores?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm staying quiet, you to keep going.
Speaker 2: I like, look, we're all mindful of AI fakes and
Speaker 2: fake them and all that sort of stuff. But Google,
Speaker 2: now of all companies, is planning to roll out a
Speaker 2: new tech that will identify whether a photo was taken
Speaker 2: with a camera, edited by software like Photoshop, or produced
Speaker 2: entirely by a I I think that's actually pretty good
Speaker 2: when it comes to, you know, being able to debunk
Speaker 2: fake news, but also knowing that if you were a
Speaker 2: client and you're asking for someone to produce some work
Speaker 2: for you and they're trying to pass it off as
Speaker 2: fake and looks so accurate, you could then check that
Speaker 2: so you know, or if you know, TIFF's got an
Speaker 2: autographed photo of Craig and she's trying to a thousand
Speaker 2: bucks on ay and I do it scan and I say,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's not Craig. That's been AI generated
Speaker 2: and the signature is too pixelated. And I'm not going
Speaker 2: to pay any them for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because that would that'd be a big seller.
Speaker 1: That'd be huge, don't you think though that? Moving forward? Mate,
Speaker 1: this is going to be an ongoing thing, like just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's real. I just thought of something.
Speaker 1: You know what we could do?
Speaker 2: We could do autograph photos of the three of us
Speaker 2: posted onto eBay and then put it out to see
Speaker 2: who gets the best.
Speaker 4: Bit.
Speaker 1: I feel like none of them are going to sell that,
Speaker 1: would you too much?
Speaker 4: No, I'll just put Fritz in there. Fritz will sell.
Speaker 1: Tiff was telling me that she met someone the other day.
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing her under the bus because this is
Speaker 1: lovely who was nervous to meet her because she because
Speaker 1: Tif's famous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can understand.
Speaker 1: How did you? How did you feel being famous? Tif?
Speaker 5: It's so funny, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's yep?
Speaker 3: I was like that put me on a pedestal because
Speaker 3: I'll fall off and break my leg. I'm not I
Speaker 3: don't belong up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know what happens when I stand on pedestals.
Speaker 4: Don't we do?
Speaker 5: Emergency?
Speaker 1: That replied, Big Gone, buddy.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to do one more AI story because
Speaker 4: this is a particularly good one, and it's also about
Speaker 4: a painter that I one of their pieces of art
Speaker 4: that I love because it's also associated with a movie
Speaker 4: that I love called The Woman in Gold and good
Speaker 4: Stuff Climped. So Good Stuff Climped Austrian painter. A lot
Speaker 4: of his paintings were lost. They were either stolen or
Speaker 4: they were and there's a whole group that were actually
Speaker 4: burnt in a fire. So there was a massive fire
Speaker 4: when the Germans left Vienna. They burnt a lot of buildings.
Speaker 2: And what they've done is they've taken black and white
Speaker 2: photographs of those paintings, then trained an AI model on
Speaker 2: Gustav Climt's style of painting, and then they've been able
Speaker 2: to recolorize the imagery to give us some better understanding
Speaker 2: of what the original painting would have looked like. So
Speaker 2: are you familiar with the movie The Woman in Gold?
Speaker 2: Helen Mirren was in it. It's a phenomenal story. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's a true story about the reparation of this painting
Speaker 2: by Clympt called The Woman in Gold that hung in
Speaker 2: a gallery in Vienna for years. It was kind of
Speaker 2: the Mona Lisa of Vienna, of Austria and the original family.
Speaker 2: So that this woman, this woman who lived in New York.
Speaker 2: It was her auntie. The painting was of her auntie
Speaker 2: and it belonged to her family, and it was stolen
Speaker 2: by the Nazis and then eventually it was you know,
Speaker 2: it was then put on display in Austria, and she
Speaker 2: fought to get the painting back and it happened. It
Speaker 2: was amazing. It's a phenomenal. If you haven't seen the film,
Speaker 2: it's great. I'll certainly encourage you to see it. But
Speaker 2: I just think this is an amazing way to restore
Speaker 2: something that was tragically lost to fire and using this
Speaker 2: late you know, this really great AI tech to not
Speaker 2: just recolorize, but to recolorize. So we're not talking porn
Speaker 2: hub here. We're talking good climped right the whole use
Speaker 2: your powers for good or evil in this game.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking this is a good version of our first story.
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think that's a better app but I
Speaker 1: wonder then even with that, Like when you get let's
Speaker 1: say you get the kind of the restored artificially AI enhanced,
Speaker 1: you know you still know that that's not the original.
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, so much of this stuff is
Speaker 1: about like what you think about it.
Speaker 4: Like, But I've got a.
Speaker 2: Production of the Gustaff Climped painting in my home. It's
Speaker 2: a really large format, it's almost a meter high, and
Speaker 2: it looks stunning. It's nowhere near what the original looks like,
Speaker 2: but it's nice because I love the painting and it's
Speaker 2: great to have a prince of it. When I see
Speaker 2: it, it makes me think about it. I couldn't you know,
Speaker 2: I think of, you know, some of the master painters.
Speaker 2: None of us are ever going to be able to
Speaker 2: afford h Monte or you know, anything like that. But
Speaker 2: you know, at least you can appreciate it by having
Speaker 2: a reproduction of it in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: We've got a friend of a friend of the You
Speaker 1: project who's been on a couple of times, my friend
Speaker 1: Dylan Dylan Key's art. You follow him, don't you tip?
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, and I think.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be famous one days. He's
Speaker 1: a big deal on Planet Craig. I love him. Dylan
Speaker 1: Key's art, go and follow him and he does the
Speaker 1: most incredible charcoal stuff. But what's interesting is, like he
Speaker 1: does you know, a lot of a lot of animals
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's so good.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't believe that this motherfucker drew that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did you with charcoal? And but what's interesting is
Speaker 1: you can buy, by the way, if you buy an original,
Speaker 1: I think you can still buy original for a grand
Speaker 1: or fifteen hundred or I don't know whatever. Like, but
Speaker 1: when I first met him, like he was doing all
Speaker 1: this incredible stuff and he only had a two or
Speaker 1: three hundred followers, and I saw his stuff and I
Speaker 1: reached out and went, hey, your shit's awesome. You should
Speaker 1: be famous or something like that. And then we connected
Speaker 1: and we spoke, and then he got a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a following. So I think he's up to
Speaker 1: like three or four thousand followers or something on install
Speaker 1: or something. But my long winded point is you can
Speaker 1: buy one of his originals for still what I think
Speaker 1: is really cheap. By he does these incredible prints which
Speaker 1: are pretty much indistinguishable from the original, and that's like
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks. And I think it's so funny, like
Speaker 1: you would somebody would have to tell you that this
Speaker 1: is a print, that's how good they are. He sent
Speaker 1: me one, and I didn't know that if it was
Speaker 1: print or like, I didn't know, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is fucking amazing. But yeah, then you go, well
Speaker 1: you could get the like some things which are worth
Speaker 1: a million bucks, and then you could get a phenomenal
Speaker 1: print that to look at from a few meters away,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 1: would know, but for the average punter, like I look
Speaker 1: at stuff, you go wow, I wonder if you get
Speaker 1: the same joy. I wonder if it does the same
Speaker 1: thing to your emotions and your body if it's a
Speaker 1: print versus something real, if perceptually it's identical.
Speaker 2: My cousin is a artist who does the cartoons for
Speaker 2: the Times of Malta.
Speaker 4: So he lives in Europe and he does their weekly cartoon.
Speaker 4: And he's got a.
Speaker 2: Great portfolio, and I've got about five of his pieces
Speaker 2: of work now. I actually I've only ever bought one original,
Speaker 2: and that was to give away as a gift. But
Speaker 2: the other stuff My favorite print of his is called
Speaker 2: Imbeciles of Frontier, so it's Imbeciles without Borders, and it's
Speaker 2: got all the world leaders and a big banner over
Speaker 2: the top and one of the guys standing behind the
Speaker 2: other guys doing a you know, the rabbit years behind
Speaker 2: him and all that.
Speaker 4: It's a cute. It's a really beautiful framed print, but
Speaker 4: it is just a print. And I think the original
Speaker 4: had already sold anyway, so I couldn't have bought the original.
Speaker 4: But it still gives me that same reaction, and everybody
Speaker 4: who comes to my house who sees it really loves it.
Speaker 2: It's just so wonderfully drawn and it's really detailed, you know,
Speaker 2: when I was looking at the stuff that you're just
Speaker 2: talking about. Now, people obviously can't see it, but it's
Speaker 2: they are indistinguishable from a black and white photo. There's
Speaker 2: soap and so people who can, you know, meticulously create
Speaker 2: beautiful art. I can say it's amazing, but sometimes you
Speaker 2: can't afford the original, but it's nice to have a reproduction.
Speaker 2: I think it still gives you that warm fuzzies, don't
Speaker 2: you what do you reckon?
Speaker 4: Tiff?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: Oh sorry god, Tiff.
Speaker 3: Yeah No, I think it's interesting. It's all about the
Speaker 3: context of what someone appreciates, because I was just thinking
Speaker 3: in my head, someone doesn't appreciate someone's the story of
Speaker 3: someone drawing it. What's the difference between getting a copy
Speaker 3: of the print that was his reference photo because they
Speaker 3: look exactly the same. But the idea is you appreciate
Speaker 3: someone's gift, and you appreciate telling the people that come
Speaker 3: to your house and go, oh, that's a nice print.
Speaker 3: You go, oh, that's drawn by Dylan Keyes. Have a
Speaker 3: look what this guy does.
Speaker 4: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: I saw this guy drawing. He was a street artist
Speaker 1: as a video and he was drawing with his feet
Speaker 1: because you've got no arm. And I mean I'm not saying, oh,
Speaker 1: gee's art was good for a bloke drawing with his foot.
Speaker 1: His art was just phenomenal, I mean amazing. And then
Speaker 1: on top of that, I'm like, this bloke's doing this
Speaker 1: with his foot. I could have all the bloody training
Speaker 1: and like education and resources and I couldn't do anything
Speaker 1: but one tenth of that. And then so the art
Speaker 1: all on the side of the art is amazing. And
Speaker 1: then you think how the art was created to me
Speaker 1: that time's at by one hundred and I go, I
Speaker 1: would love some of that guy's art, you know, just
Speaker 1: because of the story that accompanies it as well.
Speaker 2: You know, every year, my mum used to subscribe to
Speaker 2: a Christmas card bundle from artists without hands, and I
Speaker 2: vividly remember that she would there would get these gorgeous
Speaker 2: Christmas cards she would send all our family and it
Speaker 2: was specifically from artists who weren't paid in traditionally their hands,
Speaker 2: some with their mouths.
Speaker 4: That that'll my mind. That's yeah, isn't that great?
Speaker 2: The talent knows no bounds, and disability isn't always a
Speaker 2: hindrance to creativity?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, one hundred percent coup going Champ.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is I thought you might find this an
Speaker 2: interesting story because I know you like tech, but you
Speaker 2: also like old tech. You like an analogue display on
Speaker 2: your motorbike, not a digital display, would I be right?
Speaker 4: Correct? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So in the United States there's a massive push at
Speaker 2: the moment, and it's actually gone to the House Committee.
Speaker 2: They're talking about forcing manufacturers to put AM radios.
Speaker 4: Back in cars.
Speaker 2: Wow, because new cars don't have AM radios, they are
Speaker 2: only digital services and streaming services. And the thing they're
Speaker 2: saying is you've got to put AM radios back in cars,
Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to make it a subscription service
Speaker 2: because of course some manufacturers and I know Elin Musks
Speaker 2: been a little bit criticized for this. If you buy
Speaker 2: one of his cars, you can then upgrade just by
Speaker 2: buying a subscription, so the physical vehicle doesn't change, you're
Speaker 2: just subscribing to extra features, and so that's how they're
Speaker 2: upselling people these days.
Speaker 4: They're actually not just selling the car.
Speaker 2: They're saying, yes, you can buy the AXE, but if
Speaker 2: you want to have the sharpened version, you've got to
Speaker 2: buy a subscription. So the reasoning or the rationale behind
Speaker 2: the AM radio though, is that AM travels a lot
Speaker 2: further than FM or DATA. I mean we're talking much, much,
Speaker 2: much greater range because it's about the way that the
Speaker 2: wave is generated. So that's called vertical polarization and horizontal
Speaker 2: polarizing waves, and that's how the sound waves generated, but
Speaker 2: the radio waves are generated. So this is interesting though
Speaker 2: that they're trying to put a lot of pressure on
Speaker 2: car makers to have the AM rang so that if
Speaker 2: there's a national disaster or an emergency, they broadcast using AM.
Speaker 2: So for example, here in Australia, if there's bushfires, if
Speaker 2: you're tuning into an FM signal, you don't have the
Speaker 2: range that you will on an AM signal. And it
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense when you start to think
Speaker 2: about it in those terms, because we recently this week,
Speaker 2: we had no cell phone coverage, We had no mobile phones,
Speaker 2: so the second I stepped out of my house, my
Speaker 2: phone was useless. I couldn't get Internet and I couldn't
Speaker 2: make or receive phone calls. So the only way you
Speaker 2: could make and receive calls was if you were in
Speaker 2: a Wi Fi hotspot, So that.
Speaker 4: Was a real challenge for a lot of people in town.
Speaker 2: They were doing upgrades that were getting rid of three
Speaker 2: G going to the five G towers, but it meant
Speaker 2: that anybody who was using the Telstra towers was effectively
Speaker 2: without a device. So if there's a bushfire and you're
Speaker 2: trying to tune in to find out the latest information,
Speaker 2: you may not have phone coverage, you may not have data,
Speaker 2: and which case AM may be the only way to
Speaker 2: get a really distant signal and be able to get
Speaker 2: an update on an emergency situation.
Speaker 1: I love it, good AM station mate. I think they're
Speaker 1: going the way of the Dodo. But I tune into
Speaker 1: SCN in the mornings, Melbourne's home of Sport and Garry
Speaker 1: and timbang on. Yeah that's interesting. Hey, can I share
Speaker 1: some tech with you that you might not know?
Speaker 4: You might know it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So this is hot off the presses. Elon
Speaker 1: Musk's neural link device blind Site gets FDA approval FDA
Speaker 1: Breakthrough Device designation. Blind Site is an experiment mental implant
Speaker 1: aimed at restoring vision in people who have lost sight
Speaker 1: in both eyes, even for people who are born blind.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's Brain computer interface implant startup neural Link as
Speaker 1: received FDA Breakthrough Approval designation for blind Site and implant
Speaker 1: that restores vision. So it implants a micro electrode array
Speaker 1: into the visual cortex of a person's brain, then activates neurons,
Speaker 1: which provides the individuals with an image. I read about
Speaker 1: it yesterday and said, at like, right now, it's giving
Speaker 1: people like a grainy view of the world, but eventually
Speaker 1: it's going to be way better than twenty twenty human
Speaker 1: vision and give you a capacity to see infrared as well.
Speaker 4: Wows seeing in the dark.
Speaker 2: A good friend of mine, he went progressively blind in
Speaker 2: his late teenage years. He's a mad car fanatic and
Speaker 2: he actually has a couple of collectible cars. He still
Speaker 2: is a car enthusiast, so even though he's now blind
Speaker 2: fully blind, he's very passionate about cars. And for him
Speaker 2: to have suddenly lost the ability to drive in his
Speaker 2: late teens, well early twenties, so he still drove a
Speaker 2: little bit and then actually got progressively blind, this would
Speaker 2: be amazing for him to be able to get out
Speaker 2: on the road again or be able to appreciate his
Speaker 2: collection of cars. I think for peace, people who are
Speaker 2: vision impaired from birth, they see the world in such
Speaker 2: a different way in terms of augmented senses that have
Speaker 2: made up for their lack of vision. Whereas somebody has
Speaker 2: lost vision because of older age or potentially because of
Speaker 2: an accident. You can see there'd be massive, a massive
Speaker 2: jump to try to do this. I wonder whether somebody
Speaker 2: who's been vision impaired, and I've got some friends who
Speaker 2: have been vision impaired from birth as well, and I'd
Speaker 2: love to ask them whether or not they would want
Speaker 2: to get sight.
Speaker 4: It's a really interesting one, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I never thought of that That is a great question.
Speaker 1: That is because I just thought, oh, of course, but
Speaker 1: then maybe.
Speaker 4: Not that is bias because we can see one.
Speaker 1: Hundred I saw this documentary on this guy. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously black bat's a blind Patrick tell people, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know how they navigate the world. So nar, yeah,
Speaker 1: echo location, sonar? Yeah yeah, yeah. So so this guy
Speaker 1: taught this blind dude taught himself echo location.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So he may slight dish like these noises and depending
Speaker 1: on how quickly it comes back to him, and he
Speaker 1: could navigate the world with his own version of sonar
Speaker 1: I guess or echo location that he developed, and he
Speaker 1: would know when things were in front of him that
Speaker 1: like nobody had told him. But yeah, because he developed
Speaker 1: this unbelievable almost like extra sense.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Can I just debunk one little statement you just made
Speaker 2: sure that's not actually blind. They do have small eyes,
Speaker 2: they have a little bit of vision. They're very sensitive vision,
Speaker 2: but it's actually sensitive to being able to see at
Speaker 2: night as well. But they're not I mean, the term
Speaker 2: blind is a bat. I know we use a lot,
Speaker 2: so they don't have very good site, but they're not
Speaker 2: actually blind.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, all right, So the site the vision impaired.
Speaker 2: Well not necessarily they're not. It's not sharp, colorful vision
Speaker 2: or anything like that. So they don't see like you do.
Speaker 1: I'm vision impaired if you look at my face.
Speaker 4: But the echo location, they're much better at that.
Speaker 2: So I guess when they're flying, particularly at night, if
Speaker 2: they can use their echo location to see a rat
Speaker 2: or a mouse.
Speaker 4: Or something and be able to swoop down.
Speaker 1: Hell do they do? They? I don't know, all right,
Speaker 1: black bats are not blind, just vision impaired.
Speaker 4: Well that's subjective.
Speaker 2: Not at night at night that's going to outperform you
Speaker 2: hands wings down?
Speaker 1: But is that is that with eyes or echo location both?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna I'm going to do a deep
Speaker 1: dive intoday. No not so, I don't have time next.
Speaker 4: You know, give us some advice. I like the advice thing.
Speaker 2: You know, we should ask people if they want me
Speaker 2: to kind of look up stuff for them at any point.
Speaker 4: Uh, happily have a chat. Hey, batteries in your laptops,
Speaker 4: so the life of the battery in your laptop can
Speaker 4: be compromised if you plug it in continuously all the time,
Speaker 4: which is what I do. And I forget to unplug it.
Speaker 4: So one of the things that we've now found with
Speaker 4: improving the longevity of standard batteries is not to discharge
Speaker 4: them by one hundred percent and not to charge them
Speaker 4: to one hundred percent. And in fact, I believe Tesla's
Speaker 4: and a lot of electric car manufacturers, when you plug
Speaker 4: them into charge, they try.
Speaker 2: To charge to say about eighty five ninety percent. They
Speaker 2: don't ever go full to one hundred. So it's only
Speaker 2: occasionally that you would do the part of me that
Speaker 2: you would do that. And so just a bit of advice.
Speaker 2: So when you're looking at you know the way that
Speaker 2: you use battery power. I mean, for a lot of us,
Speaker 2: I guess we keep out. I mean I work off
Speaker 2: allaptop a lot. Sitting here right now, I'm off the laptop,
Speaker 2: but I have a desktop machine. But the longevity of
Speaker 2: the battery will be really be dictated by how we
Speaker 2: use it. So for good battery health. And this is
Speaker 2: not just laptops, it's smartphones, anything that uses a battery, scooters,
Speaker 2: you name it. But don't plug it in and leave
Speaker 2: it plugged in overnight. I know we do it with
Speaker 2: our phones all the time. Phone manufacturers are getting better
Speaker 2: at regulating battery charging so that they don't damage the battery,
Speaker 2: and they have some really good tech built into some
Speaker 2: of the newer phones. But yeah, so they're saying, you know,
Speaker 2: don't keep your laptop plugged in or tablet or whatever
Speaker 2: it happens to be. So I just thought i'd throw
Speaker 2: that one out there. If you want to try to impress.
Speaker 1: Are you saying I shouldn't plug my phone in overnight
Speaker 1: and leave it all night.
Speaker 2: Well that's what they say. Yeah, you shouldn't leave it
Speaker 2: on all night. You should charge it and then take
Speaker 2: it off charge. Don't leave it plugged in overnight, so
Speaker 2: before you go to bed.
Speaker 3: So Mom's got setting and it only and it only
Speaker 3: charges to eighty percent. So I leave it in overnight,
Speaker 3: but it only evers.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, some of the smartest.
Speaker 5: Settings on your laptop. When I had my laptop.
Speaker 3: Setup, I had a guy set up and he was
Speaker 3: he did all that clever stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so fully charging and fully discharging puts the battery
Speaker 4: under a lot more stress, and that's thought to shorten
Speaker 4: its live but we're not. We're talking about.
Speaker 2: A massive increase in the duration of the life of
Speaker 2: the battery. If you try to avoid doing that, so
Speaker 2: you will get a lot longer out of the battery
Speaker 2: if you do that.
Speaker 4: And listen.
Speaker 2: Once upon a time, remember we used to be able
Speaker 2: to change the batteries in our phones. We just swap
Speaker 2: them over, and then of course we don't do that now,
Speaker 2: so we need to be more mindful about how we
Speaker 2: do that and how we charge and discharge so that
Speaker 2: we're not, you know, not damaging the battery.
Speaker 4: So not one hundred percent, not zero percent. There you
Speaker 4: go somewhere in.
Speaker 1: Betaatrick, did you, Oh, you don't have an iPhone? You
Speaker 1: have a Samsung? Do you?
Speaker 4: I've got a pixel, Google Pixel. So I just.
Speaker 1: Updated because I'm I'm a dummy with tech obviously, but
Speaker 1: I updated. Is it iOS eighteen or seventeen, tifth the
Speaker 1: latest or you know eighteen? So I just updated to
Speaker 1: iOS eighteen on my iPhone fourteen. But what's interesting is
Speaker 1: I was having a look at I was having a
Speaker 1: listen to the start of a podcast the other day.
Speaker 1: I can't remember one of ours? Or are you project one?
Speaker 1: And now with a new update, you open it up
Speaker 1: and the text as you're talking, like right now, if
Speaker 1: somebody's listening to this on an iPhone and you've got
Speaker 1: the update. You can go in and it gives the
Speaker 1: whole text of the whole show in real time as
Speaker 1: you're talking. It scrolls up the screen with so no.
Speaker 4: Typeost I've had that. I've had that built into my
Speaker 4: phone for about five years. It's great that I haven't.
Speaker 1: You haven't.
Speaker 4: They probably had an event.
Speaker 1: It's not your job to bring me down every time
Speaker 1: I just mentioned something.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me give you some pro Apple stories then,
Speaker 2: because they did have a big look Lunch event recently.
Speaker 2: And I've got to say, there are two little things
Speaker 2: that did pique my interest in knowing that you're an
Speaker 2: Apple person.
Speaker 4: The new AirPods that are coming up are coming out.
Speaker 4: I actually have a hearing.
Speaker 2: Test built into them, so you can test your own
Speaker 2: hearing using the new Apple AirPods.
Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty good. And the other thing
Speaker 4: that is really good that you're probably going to need Crago.
Speaker 1: Is if that's about five, you could put.
Speaker 2: Your Apple Watch on and it will detect sleep apnear.
Speaker 1: So why would I have sleep AP Now? I'm fucking
Speaker 1: lean and healthy. What do you think because I'm old,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sound like a walrus when I sleep.
Speaker 3: People with diagnosed sleep APNE right now are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: not lean.
Speaker 4: Email what he puts the podcast on himself to sleep well?
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people who are overweight have sleep
Speaker 1: ap there.
Speaker 4: That's Trotye who's overweight. Thank you. That is in there
Speaker 4: for all our listeners.
Speaker 1: Well, and also not everyone who's got sleep APNA is
Speaker 1: out of shape. Of course guys should have clarified that
Speaker 1: at the start. But why would you assume I wouldn't
Speaker 1: need it, but you are tears? Wouldn't like what's behind that?
Speaker 4: Look, he's very old. You are older than us though,
Speaker 4: and it does tend to come age, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Now you're being agist. I can't talk about Parker now.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm getting gaged up on
Speaker 1: my own show.
Speaker 4: You gotta kind of are no, But I think, well,
Speaker 4: I was just doing a pro Apple story. This is
Speaker 4: me doing a pro Apple story. I thought you'd be interested.
Speaker 1: I'm not pro Apple though, I'm not anything. I just
Speaker 1: happen to have an iPhone. In fact, Melissa hates my laptop.
Speaker 1: I've got a what do you call non Apple? Like
Speaker 1: I've just got an old school piece. I've just got
Speaker 1: a laptop. Fucking that she thinks is a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: But I'm used to it, so I won't change it.
Speaker 1: Probably is a piece of shit. Give us one more
Speaker 1: to wind up, Just something, no pressure, just something.
Speaker 4: Amazing photovoltaic cells. How's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Good?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I thought you'd like carry on. No, this is really
Speaker 4: interesting because for those of us.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have an old When I subscribe to
Speaker 2: Time magazine about thirty years ago, I got a free
Speaker 2: calculator with a solar panel in it, and I've never
Speaker 2: had to charge that bugger.
Speaker 4: Up for thirty years.
Speaker 2: You sit it out anywhere inside, you don't have to
Speaker 2: be outside, just any ambient light, and that bugger works.
Speaker 2: And I've always thought to myself, why the hell don't
Speaker 2: we have other stuff that we can use indoors. Well, finally,
Speaker 2: a new tech startup in Wogga Wogger is going to
Speaker 2: be the first Australian company to produce a new type
Speaker 2: of solar cell and they're saying it'll be able to
Speaker 2: generate enough electricity just indoors and eventually get rid of
Speaker 2: disposable batteries so you remote control anything that you use
Speaker 2: indoors Potentially could be run off. This new photo voltaic
Speaker 2: cell that is.
Speaker 1: That is actually a really good story because that I'd
Speaker 1: never thought of that. But those little kind of solar
Speaker 1: powered calculators. I used to have one and they were
Speaker 1: they are great, So yeah, why can't they do that
Speaker 1: with all the you know the stuff that we use
Speaker 1: in the house.
Speaker 2: Well, things like keyboards need to be connected constantly, and
Speaker 2: bearing in mind, a calculator uses similar tif to your
Speaker 2: tablet uses it kind of an e ink. Liquid crystal
Speaker 2: displays don't take much power to power to have them
Speaker 2: come up. But you know, these days, a lot of
Speaker 2: the technology we use just takes more power. It's not
Speaker 2: it needs something a bit more robust than a standard
Speaker 2: Betric battery. But I think it's kind of really cool.
Speaker 2: It's called Hallo cell, and they reckon they're going to
Speaker 2: start producing seven centimeter long photovoltaic to generate enough power
Speaker 2: to replace a pair of disposable batteries in a TV remote,
Speaker 2: or so the charging cable for a set of headphones.
Speaker 1: You could build a wind farm in your backyard, mate,
Speaker 1: you've got enough.
Speaker 4: Space, well not even the backyard, I just have it indoors.
Speaker 4: I've got a pretty big house.
Speaker 1: And you produce a lot of wind, so you should
Speaker 1: be able to run the whole fucking house. Patrick. Where
Speaker 1: can people connect with you? My friend?
Speaker 4: No one's going to want to connect with me after
Speaker 4: this show.
Speaker 1: Here they are, Yeah, they are. We love you even
Speaker 1: though you threw me under the bus and I apparently
Speaker 1: throw you under the bus a lot so.
Speaker 2: It didn't just run over you reversed about four time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just go to websites noow dot com
Speaker 2: TODAYU is probably the easiest way.
Speaker 4: To find me. So websites now to com today you.
Speaker 2: But if you want to send a message and get
Speaker 2: us to talk about something on the next show, I'd
Speaker 2: love to hear from people if there's something in particular,
Speaker 2: if you've condoling, if you need to send some messages
Speaker 2: of support.
Speaker 1: Because it's no probably are going to go fuck Craig.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need it, and you're right, I don't. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Why don't we do
Speaker 1: the entire next show off listener requests so they can
Speaker 1: do two places. One is email, you say your email again.
Speaker 2: I'll just go to websites now, dot com, tod au.
Speaker 2: You can fill out the form there and send something
Speaker 2: through to me, it'll come straight directly through to me,
Speaker 2: or you.
Speaker 1: Can go tother you project Facebook page, you project podcast
Speaker 1: Facebook page. Say this is for Patrick, and leave you
Speaker 1: a question or your idea for a bit of research
Speaker 1: or an exploration of a topic, and next time will
Speaker 1: be a completely listener generated and directed discussion.
Speaker 4: It seems like a lot of work for me.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of work for one of
Speaker 1: your underlings. You said, by the way, it was your
Speaker 1: suggestion fucking thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 4: I think, all I'm just now nervous.
Speaker 1: You make a suggestion and then you go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of work for me. We don't fucking
Speaker 1: raise it.
Speaker 2: What happens if we do a whole one hour show
Speaker 2: on one topic, Well we won't.
Speaker 4: That little asked it out.
Speaker 1: Well, we need to put in some rules. I was
Speaker 1: talking to Tiff last night, right, I fucked up earlier
Speaker 1: this week. I know we're finished, but I'm running a
Speaker 1: mentoring group and I kind of I've got about seventeen
Speaker 1: people in the group, and I kind of forgot we're
Speaker 1: running through and I've forgot to say at the start,
Speaker 1: just keep it to two or three minutes. Each of
Speaker 1: you and I thought we'd get through the whole group.
Speaker 1: Bit of a debrief on the week. It was my fault.
Speaker 1: I didn't make it clear, so nobody's at fault. But
Speaker 1: let's just say that we got through about seven people
Speaker 1: in an hour, and I thought we'd get through the
Speaker 1: whole group in about forty minutes. So I think with
Speaker 1: the topics for yours, will dedicate you know, kind of
Speaker 1: three or four minutes to each topic or question, then
Speaker 1: we'll be able to get through twenty or so.
Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds really good. I'm in for that.
Speaker 2: Go for it websites now dot com, dot au or
Speaker 2: the new project Facebook page.
Speaker 1: Tiff. Good luck, you don't need luck, but have fun
Speaker 1: on the have fun on the sojourn, enjoy your time
Speaker 1: in India. Thanks huh, and good luck trying to find
Speaker 1: a coffee and drugs for when you're puoing through the
Speaker 1: I of a needle. And stay hydrated, but care for
Speaker 1: what you drink.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, stay hydrated, but don't drink the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck with that, We'll say goodbye, fair but Patrick,
Speaker 1: thank you, TIF, thank you listeners, thank you