WEBVTT - The Media Show | 2 August 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:05.760 This is the Media Show, with Jack outing Hello and 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.880 welcome to the Media Show. Tonight, we'll take a look 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.720 at coverage of the Olympics and an end to damaging 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.200 strikes at nine plus. Later on we reveal the salary 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.799 of a key media watch staffer. But first, all eyes 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.840 are on Paris, with one Australian newsroom forking out hundreds 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.919 and millions of dollars for broadcast rights. But the event, 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.720 which is supposed to showcase the best athletes that humanity 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.080 has to offer, has been marred by scandal after scandal 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.080 which has dominated news headlines. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.040 It's the self declared Green Games. But while Paris is 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.320 being busy spooking its carbon friendly credentials, the push to 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.520 go green has left many athletes seeing red. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.720 We haven't seen this at Olympic Games before. We haven't 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.760 had this amount of complaints about a village in Olympic history. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.880 From hard cardboard beds to running out of meat in 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.880 the athletes village. Parisians are seeking to be more climate friendly, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.840 and they've shifted the focus from the app athletes to 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.280 poor conditions. But how much of it is about so 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.839 called sustainability and how much is a bunch of cheap 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:13.560 beds and bad food a cost cutting initiative. CNBC reports 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.440 why the Paris Olympics costs so much less than Rio, 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.440 London or Tokyo. The chief advantage this time can be 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.959 summed up in two words. Existing infrastructure. Temporary facilities also 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.760 played a role in keeping costs down. Now journalists blindly 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.360 accepting that this was all green initiative are just feeding 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:38.080 you pr talking points. Having less meat on order might 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.880 seem green, but it's actually way cheaper when you have 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.880 to mass produce food. Make no mistake though, Those processed 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.680 plant based burgers are horrendously bad for you. It is 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.760 texturized goo and not something anyone should be eating. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:54.920 Well. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.200 Joining me this week on the Panels the Australians Darren 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.520 Davidson and two Double Sea hosts Stephen Senetiero. Well, Darren, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:02.440 let's start with you. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:03.600 I mean, this. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:08.160 Whole vegan scandal, this is the one thing that I 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.440 look at. I just cannot believe that they thought that 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.280 athletes who are every single calorie, they're counting, every single 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.800 vitamin that they're watching, they've got very specific diets. What 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:19.840 on earth were they thinking? 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.120 Yeah, I mean, it's a shame that everything's becoming politicized 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.920 at the Olympics. They are, as you pointed out, horrendously 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.160 expensive to host and stage, and they leave cities and 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.600 economies with these big kind of legacy cost issues after 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.320 everyone's pat up and gone home. But really everyone should 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.800 be focusing on the credible, herculean efforts and the amazing 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.800 feats that we're seeing that you'd hope that would be 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.799 the main story. And there's some of these incredible young 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.080 athletes who have been training so hard for many years. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.600 You know, you would really want the focus to be 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.840 on that, and that's where you know, media companies are 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.919 investing their dollars and big amatizing and sponsors are investing 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.560 their dollars, and I think they would hope as well 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.400 that that's where we're the focus is. It's a shame 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.840 that this has become the story that it has. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.799 Yeah, and Stephen, I think a lot of journalists are 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.640 really allowing some of these propaganda points around climate change 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.640 and green initiatives to bleed into their reporting, because yes, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.440 lowering the carbon footprint is one thing, but we know 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.800 that a lot of companies do this just to save money, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.559 and we're letting them, letting them give these athletes poor conditions, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.040 but we're putting this kind of this air of nobility. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.799 Around it, making it seem like a moral good thing. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:30.560 What are your. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:34.400 Thoughts, Well, look, I think you're right, but I will 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.120 give Paris one will let off here, and that is 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.720 that nobody else wanted to host these games because they 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.560 are too expensive. So the fact that France and Paris 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.040 have actually picked it up and run with it, I 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:45.760 suppose it's a good thing. We still get to see 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.600 all the athletes, and we're covering the games on our station, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.480 so you know, we talk about the sport, but you 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.560 know there's a lot going on around these games that, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.920 as Darren says, is just distracting away from what we 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.640 should talk about. Obviously, there was something recently, that boxing 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.560 issue that has distracted away from what should be all 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.320 about the athletes as well. But look, it's the Olympics. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.280 It's a bit of a circus. Paris at the best 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.080 of times is a bit of a circus. You put 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:13.760 those two things together and I think this is what 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.400 you get. But I think you've got to remember that 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.680 the Aussies and this could actually play into our favor 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.919 because the Australian Olympic Committee has actually sent container loads 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.080 of our own food over. They've got taco Tuesdays in 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.080 the Australian village on every Tuesday they've sent over. I 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.120 think something like three four and twenty pis so our 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.440 ossie athletes will be fine. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.240 Yeah, I think there's going to be a lot of 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.960 top chefs that are humiliated with the kind of feedback 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.039 and headlines that are coming out because it's the culinary 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.559 capital of the world. I mean they claim they hold 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.479 themselves up a very high standard. Jack, I'm Italian. Let's 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.760 be fair and inc Italy is the culinary capital of 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.200 the world. Yeah, well, you guys love to go head 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.120 to head on that. But look, let's stay on the Olympics, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.080 but move on to another scandal which has dominated headlines 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.520 and left view is extremely confused and angry. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.719 Well, this was a moment of history. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.800 It happened earlier today in France, and a major controversy 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.320 too has now erupted out of Paris. An Algerian boxer 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.400 shown in the red uniform, who failed a gender eligibility 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.599 test last year, has now won an opening fight after 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:23.160 only forty six seconds, her opponents breaking down in tears, 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:24.839 calling it quote unjust. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:31.120 Algerian boxer Amin Khalif, who has male chromosomes, ended the 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.560 fight in just forty six seconds. Now that reports the 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.240 Khalif is inter six as opposed to transgender, and many 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.520 in the media were scathing at the IOC for allowing 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:42.640 the fight to go ahead. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.160 A boxer deemed a biological male beating an Italian female opponent, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.760 with the Italian crying out, I couldn't take it anymore. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.520 Despite failing that gender test by the International Boxing Association 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.279 and being banned from an international tournament last year, Algerian 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.239 twenty five year old Emman Khalif was okayed by Olympic 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.400 authorities to compete, and apparently today it was a very 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.880 one sided fight with Italian Angela Karini, also twenty five. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:15.039 After just forty six seconds and several sharp punches to 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.000 the head, including the nose by Khalif, Karini abandoned the 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.880 faith well. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.120 In response to the media reporting, the Algerian Olympic Committee 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.479 came out swinging. They said, the CoA strongly condemns the 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:34.719 unethical targeting and maligning of our steamed athlete Iman Khalif 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:39.880 with baseless propaganda from certain foreign media outlets. Now let's 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.080 bring the panel back into discuss I mean, this is 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.719 again another scandal that the Olympics did not need to have. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.039 They probably should have figured out that there was going 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.480 to be this backlash. It is the when we're talking 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.560 about men or intersects and the advantage over women in sports. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.120 When it's violence, when its actual you know, boxing and 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.919 fists been thrown, that is when the public really just 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.839 does not tolerated. But now you've got a situation where 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:11.160 media outlets Darren have spent hundreds of millions of dollars 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.360 to cover the sports and we're not even really talking 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:14.520 about the sports anymore. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.120 Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that the investment that media companies 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.520 and sponsors have made is that is huge, and this 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.760 is not where they would like, you know, the focus 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.400 to be. And as we were saying earlier, I'd hope 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.280 that the focus of the stories and what we were celebrating, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.640 these incredible herculeting efforts and the skill and the professionalism 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.080 and the dedication of the athletes. And you know, Mike 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.920 m I've got two infants, two and a half and 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.920 four and a half, and they are obsessed with the 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.600 NPX like they are totally obsessed. They're memorized by the 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.800 gymnastics and things like that. And for me, my reaction 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.400 when I saw that clip, I mean, it's just absolutely brutal. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.800 It's really ugly, and it's quite upsetting to see this 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.080 boxer on the on the on the canvas, crying about 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.400 being absolutely pummeled by what looks like may have been 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.800 an uneven fight that maybe shouldn't have happened. I don't 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.280 know details whether that's actually been verified or not. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:06.400 But yeah, the reports are intersex and Stephen, the reports 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.960 are x y chromosomes, male chromosomes. You can't be a 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:15.760 woman and have those chromosomes. That's the main point. Was 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.920 there an advantage? I mean, to Darren's point, you look 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.840 at the footage, the force behind the punch, the way 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.120 that this woman was hitting the face, and then her 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.720 reaction breaking down in tears as her Olympic dream is 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.200 put to an end by this placement. It to me 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:33.680 does not seem fair. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.199 Well, there's a couple of things that need to be clarified. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.240 Angela Careni actually called the fight off herself. She went 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.079 to her corner and said, I'm not doing this anymore. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.959 After forty six seconds and two punches. That was all 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.040 it took. Because the reality is that this other boxer 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.920 and look, I'm not blaming the other boxer for this, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.280 because the International Olympic Committee's got to take full ownership 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.280 and responsibility for what happened to here. But Imman Khalif 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.600 was actually banned from women's competition by the International Boxing 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.720 Asation previously. Now, because the IOC has decided to take 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.480 over boxing and shunt the IBA aside, they've made their 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.160 own rules up and they put somebody in this fight now. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.120 Angela Karini is a two time Italian champion. She's not 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.760 adverse to getting punched in the face, that's what boxers do. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.080 But she said to her corner in that moment, I 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.880 have never been punched that hard before in my life. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.840 Why because she's fighting against an athlete that has a 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:29.080 superior advantage because of levels of testosterone and X Y chromosomes. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.720 The reality is she was fighting against somebody that should 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.800 not have been in the same category as her, and 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.079 after forty six seconds said I don't want to borrow 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.320 this anymore. That's what happened here, and the IOC has 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.280 got to take full ownership of this, and of course 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.840 they're skating away saying no, it's all the media's fault. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.520 Move along, nothing to see here. Well, when it gets 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.920 to boxing, now we saw there's two athletes in the 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.520 Zambian football team who played against the Matildas the other 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.360 day that have previously banned from previous competition but were 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:00.280 allowed to play in the Olympics because of the same issue. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.200 Again sanctioning that. But in this case, we're talking about 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.200 pugilistic sport. We're talking about marshall sports where somebody can 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.640 get physically hurt, and that is where you've got to 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:10.679 at least draw the line. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:11.360 That's the point. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.000 But staying on the Olympics, the United States has shot 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.120 up in the gold medal tally, but at the time 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.080 we went to air was still trailing behind China. It 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.640 might be why US media outlets have flipped the metal 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.760 tally counting method to count total medals equally as opposed 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:28.920 to the number of golds. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:30.439 The Nightly Reports. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.680 The official Olympic website ranks countries on golds rather than totals, 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.000 but several American outlets, including the country's hosts broadcast to NBC, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.480 have opted to rank countries on their total number of medals, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.480 one which moves the USA team up into first place 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.480 and bring the panel back. Now, Stephen, it doesn't get 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.280 more American than that. If they're not ahead, let's change 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.200 the metrics by which we're measuring and then go Team USA. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.559 Look, you know my American patriotism. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.240 Don't get me wrong. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.000 I think where I'd like to see it's more like 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.439 that here in Australia. But this is just typical American bs. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.720 I mean, look, they call this, but the Baseball over 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.240 is the World Series. Nobody else plays in it. You know, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.560 whoever wins the NFL that was Super Bowl is the 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.720 world champions. I mean, look, they kid themselves on every 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.640 level in America when it comes to this concept of 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.760 American exceptionalism, and this is just another example. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:24.520 Look good on them. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.600 If it's only being done in their own media and 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.400 they can live in their own delusion, so be it, Darren. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:30.160 Let's bring you in. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.439 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that mythology will change again 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.000 at some point before the end of the games, and 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.360 one way the other they'll be winning. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.720 But if they're down by total metals, they'll flip. Mexico 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:40.920 wouldn't put it past them. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.559 We're going to take a quick break, but when we return, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.040 find out how much the ABC pays producers to make 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.280 just fifteen minutes of television a week. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:53.080 Welcome back. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.160 There's been an end to strikes which have plagued nine 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.440 newsrooms and put a dampener on their expensive newspaper coverage. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.040 Now keeping in mind that a large contingent of these 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.600 reporters put down tools while on an all expense paid 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.720 trip to Paris, it's pretty ungrateful stuff. And while staff 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.320 appraising as a victory, they only received a tiny bump. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:15.360 Over three years. 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.640 The AFI reports nine entertainment journalists and editors and production 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.800 staff have voted to approve a new enterprise bargaining deal, 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.640 ending a six month standoff that culminated in postponed events, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.800 diminished news coverage, and the first strike at the mastheads 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.880 since twenty seventeen. Let's bring the panel back in, Darren. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.600 It was really really bad timing for Nine management that 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.600 have been dealing Nine as a broader company has obviously 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.880 been dealing with a lot of scandals separately to this, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.560 but then they've forked out hundreds of millions of dollars 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.440 for the games and staff in Paris have put down 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:50.559 tools and just walked away. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:51.120 Yeah. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.280 Look, to be clear, you know, no one is denying 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.320 the rights of workers to join a new you and 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.400 take industrial action. And obviously I worked for one of 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:02.120 nine's competitors and this is not an opportunistic swing at 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.640 them in any way whatsoever. But the timing was awful, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.800 like really bad. I mean it kind of showed to 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.960 come and run at such a time during such a 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.680 big size ofic news event, showed an unwillingness to negotiate 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.760 with management and good faith. But the deal that they 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.160 actually put on the table wasn't that bad. I think 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.400 it was about ten point five percent over three years, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.480 which is a much better deal than most Australia and. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.439 Now what they're going up to about eleven and a 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.960 half percent. They've gone through all of that for about 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.680 an extra one or two percent, Yeah, over three years. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.680 And the original claim was or ask was twenty percent, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.520 which is pretty ambitious in this climate. At the moment, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.880 CPI running at two to three percent. I mean it's 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.360 it's I feel for the advertisers. They've pointed out earlier, 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.040 they've invested so much money. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.920 You're a good managing editor, feeling for the advertisers. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.560 And the readers as well, though more importantly the readers. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.559 You know, they're denying them the coverage. They're the exclusive 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.559 rights holder. They've abandoned their readers, They've abandoned their advertisers. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.960 And you know that's not a good thing. Why not 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.200 wait until after the Olympics? 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:03.640 You know what? 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:05.360 That have really made any difference? 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.920 Yeah, it's a good point, Steven. Let's bring you in here. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.440 I mean, the result obviously was a positive result in 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.679 that they are going to get paid a little bit 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.840 more money, but not not significantly more money. And they've 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.960 gone through a lot of pain to do that. They've 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.800 cost themselves. I think of it as a journalist. I mean, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.440 what greater honor is there to go over to another 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.600 country and cover the Olympics? To me, I just I 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:35.080 cannot rationalize why you would forego five days of that 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.520 and you know, not cover it as well as you 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.600 possibly could for one or two percent pay. I can't 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.920 personally rationalize it. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.520 What do you think, Well, there's a couple of things here. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.080 I imagine that they're thinking, was let's do it during 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.320 the Olympics, because we've got them. You know, we've got 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.160 them where we want. We got them, we have to 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.120 actually give us what we want. Other world, Yeah, you know, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.680 so I imagine that's why they picked the timing. But 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.280 I've got a lot of friends who work at nine 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.920 Radio who are over there. We're earning considerably less than 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.400 a lot of the people at nine newspapers, and they 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.240 are treating this like the greatest. 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.040 Honor they've ever experienced. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.960 And they're doing a great job, working ridiculous hours. So 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.880 they must be looking at their colleagues over in the print. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.120 Ar'm thinking, what are you guys thinking? But I've got 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.680 to the bottom of what it really I reckon They've 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.040 looked at what ABC journals are being paid and thought, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.560 weang on a sec, what are we doing here? 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.320 Yeah, well, definitely to get onto that in a little bit. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.800 But Darren, in terms of it's a really good point 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.120 about the other parts of nine. Obviously this only impacted 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.160 nine newspapers, but there does appear to be a cultural rift, 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.840 and we saw that the television side of it. You 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.160 had Karl Stefanovic was in the hotels, Mike Sneezbee is 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.640 running around with the torch. There appears to be a 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.880 little bit of a class warfare going on in the company, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.880 and it seems to be really hurting. It's leaking out publicly. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.720 Yeah, look, I mean not just for veny different the US. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.000 Are there differences. There are lots of journalists. We know 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.400 this because James Madden Austraining has been editor, has spoken 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.560 to loads of journalists within the publishing division over the 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.440 past week and they had just made how this is 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.720 being handled. So they're not actually even unified within the 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.880 newspaper publishing division, much less radio and other parts of television, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.920 other parts of the business. But as you said earlier, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.040 like I really feel as well, just personally, for those 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.640 fifteen to twenty journalists that went over there from the 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.920 papers that were handed the assignment of a lifetime won 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.520 a privilege and it's for five days, had to sit 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.200 on their hands and not do anything, and this whole 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.520 thing for them has been for evertonished by the timing 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:30.960 of this industrial action. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.600 Yeah, I would have been a scab personally. I just 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.760 want have kept on going. But look, let's move on 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.040 down to the ABC, which recently got to serve from 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.920 its former chair eid To Buttros, who admitted she thought 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.320 the broadcaster had a degree of unconscious bias and needed 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.760 to steal itself against criticism. Now, if you miss those comments, 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.680 take a listen. Do you think the ABC is delivering 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.040 with regards to objectivity and impartiality? 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.360 I think there is an unconscious bias, and I think 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.680 it's I think there's no harm in presenting both sides 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.080 of an argument, and I don't understand the reluctance of 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.960 some of our interviewers not to do that. We're also 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.880 always unafraid to call out a news corporation, for instance, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.280 who has who have gone after ABC frontline reporters and 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.119 presenters pretty hard, including may full disclosure. Is that something 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.000 that you think is concerning and does it have a 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.959 sort of chilling, chilling kind of I think quite frankly, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.919 I think you're too sensitive about NewsCorp you know. And 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.560 if we can't take the critics, if the ABC can't 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.840 take the criticism, well then it just just should give up. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.160 Well, the Media Union was unhappy with the obvious being 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.199 pointed out. Ida Butcher's has no relevant role at the 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.040 ABC any longer, and it comments are insulting to journalists 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.479 who strive for accuracy and partiality as required by the 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.960 NEAA Code of Ethics every day, and then this great 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.320 line was published by the Australians. James Madden The Australian 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.360 asked the Union why it suggested Miss Buttrose, who has 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.480 worked in the media for more than five decades, was 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.760 no longer qualified to discuss industry matters. The MEAA did 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.960 not reply, Let's bring the panel back in, Steven. Let's 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.320 go to you first on this. I mean, what are 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.240 your thoughts. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:31.320 The breathtaking hypocrisy. Firstly, I've got to quit congratulate Ida 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.040 for having her come to Jesus moment. One wonders where 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.320 this attitude was when she was the chair of the 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.800 ABC and was actually trying to present the same defense 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.919 that Patricia Carvellis and the meule A are pushing now. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.000 But good honor for pointing out what is right now. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:47.920 The other thing that I. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.359 Would point out that people seem to miss all the 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.800 time is that and they'll point the finger at news 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.440 or they point the finger at opinion commentators like myself. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.359 I get paid to offer my opinion based on what 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.760 the news is. Journalists at the ABC, under the ABC's 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.320 charter are paid to deliver straight down the line journalism 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.840 and balance, They don't do that. And the other thing 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.000 people are going to realize is that we the taxpayer 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.720 pay a billion dollars a year to the ABC to 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.760 deliver that charter. Other organizations taxpayers don't have to pay 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.320 for and you don't have to watch, You don't have 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.439 to subscribe this guy if you don't want to. You 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.840 don't have to buy the Sydney Morning Herald or the 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.680 Daily Telegraph or any of these other newspapers. The ABC 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.600 you've got to pay for whether you want like it 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.240 or not, and we should be able to expect a 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.600 higher standard from them that we don't get. But again, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.600 good on Eider for finally waking up to it. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.000 Yeah, it's a really good point. I mean, the thing 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.160 that I take away from this is that resilience. It's 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.359 so important. And I think what Ida Butchers is she? 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.240 I don't think she's actually saying the criticism is legitimate. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.199 I think she's just saying, why do you care? And 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.639 I would challenge anyone from the ABC to go and 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:56.800 get a job at News Corp And deal with one 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:02.280 ayota of the negative vitriol reporters at this company or 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.400 this network, deal with They've got no idea, they get 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.000 a tie it, they get a slightly negative tweet after 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.520 an interview Darren, and then they just they lose their minds. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:10.880