Speaker 1: Thank you, good evening, and it's a big show tonight.
Speaker 1: The shock news that Alan Jones has been charged with
Speaker 1: twenty four offenses after an investigation into alleged indecent assault
Speaker 1: and sexual touching spanning two decades.
Speaker 2: More details on that in a moment.
Speaker 1: Also tonight, how Australians could be jailed for misinformation under
Speaker 1: the Albanese governments or Wellian laws. Prominent journalist Michael Schellenberger
Speaker 1: is on the show tonight for an exclusive interview.
Speaker 2: He says Albanese's laws are the worst in the world.
Speaker 1: Plus selfish pro Palestinian protesters want to counsel Christmas for
Speaker 1: uzzie kids. Why are police so powerless to stop them?
Speaker 1: My thoughts on this in a minute. But before we
Speaker 1: get into all of that, let's go to the breaking
Speaker 1: news now Here was Alan Jones leaving the police station
Speaker 1: after getting bail late this afternoon, charged with twenty four offenses,
Speaker 1: including aggravated in decent assault and sexual touching relating to
Speaker 1: eight individuals. Jones was surrounded by a pack of media.
Speaker 1: He looked shaken and distraught.
Speaker 3: Allen, any, now you don't insisted your innocent stairs.
Speaker 4: The charge is coming to shock to you.
Speaker 5: What about you people are a key point and what have.
Speaker 6: I got to say to all of your listeners, the
Speaker 6: people that support you anything at all.
Speaker 1: This is a major far from grace for the broadcaster
Speaker 1: who put the fear of God into politicians on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. That shock news of his arrest at home
Speaker 1: in Sydney breaking just this morning. Ray Hadley said he
Speaker 1: became aware of the allegations in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: I first became aware of the allegations in twenty nineteen. Obviously,
Speaker 6: given there is likely to be a series of charges
Speaker 6: laid and announced by a police sometime this morning, and
Speaker 6: given there's a search warrant being executed at this moment
Speaker 6: inside of premises, that's circular key, you'd understand. I have
Speaker 6: to be careful of what I say and what I
Speaker 6: do actually know. My main concern at the moment is
Speaker 6: for the alleged victims who are obviously seeking justice in
Speaker 6: relation to these matters.
Speaker 1: Now Jones denies the allegations, and of course he is
Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. This is now all in the
Speaker 1: hands of police and the Cots will come back to
Speaker 1: this with a report from Caroline Marcus from the police station.
Speaker 1: A bit later, But now the Coalition is warning that
Speaker 1: Australians could be jailed under Anthony Albanize's new misinformation laws,
Speaker 1: laws that have already passed the House of Representatives and
Speaker 1: they're set to go to a vote in the Senate
Speaker 1: next week. These are dangerous Wellian style laws that were
Speaker 1: not only curb free speech, but provide the sort of
Speaker 1: censorship that's commonplace in totalitarian dictatorships like China and Russia.
Speaker 1: We've already seen disturbing censorship of public interest investigations in
Speaker 1: the name of misinformation, my COVID origins, reporting the Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden laptop story, those who campaigned against the Voice, and
Speaker 1: also concerns about COVID era mandates.
Speaker 2: And that was all before these laws.
Speaker 1: Legal experts and the Coalition are now concerned that individuals
Speaker 1: linked to digital platforms like podcasts could be imprisoned for
Speaker 1: a year if they don't cooperate with public hearings and
Speaker 1: investigations into misinformation.
Speaker 2: There are also other penalties.
Speaker 1: People could be fined thousands of dollars and tech giants
Speaker 1: millions simply for posting content the government bureaucrats claim is misinformation.
Speaker 1: Now the Communications Minister trying to weave away out.
Speaker 2: Of this in an interview with Ben Fordham.
Speaker 6: Okay, we've heard about potential jail sentences.
Speaker 7: Under what circumstances would someone go to jail?
Speaker 2: Well, this isn't about individuals going to jail, Ben, That
Speaker 2: is just false.
Speaker 7: So who would go to jail?
Speaker 6: Well, your users aren't going to jail under this.
Speaker 8: This is purely goes to the conduct of the platforms
Speaker 8: and their systems and processes.
Speaker 5: Okay, I understand my listeners won't go to jail. Who
Speaker 5: might go to jail?
Speaker 9: Well, none of your listeners are going to go to
Speaker 9: jail here, Ben, But there is a graduated enforcements enforcement
Speaker 9: scheme that's under the Act that has penalties in it.
Speaker 1: A graduated enforcement scheme that has penalties in it.
Speaker 2: Well, as you heard.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, she couldn't deny the fact that jail was a penalty,
Speaker 1: with The Daily Telegraph reporting that the Section two h two,
Speaker 1: if someone refuses to appear and misinformation inquiries or refuses
Speaker 1: to cooperate without a reasonable excuse, they.
Speaker 2: Can be jailed up to a year.
Speaker 1: Now, the legislation defines misinformation to mean anything that's reasonably
Speaker 1: verifiable as false, misleading, or deceptive. But who decides this,
Speaker 1: who's the arbiter of this bureaucrats? One lawyer Justin Quiyle
Speaker 1: points out, once they deem something false or misleading, it
Speaker 1: opens up a Pandora's box of powers, including the right
Speaker 1: to question people in investigations, and if someone doesn't cooperate,
Speaker 1: potentially jail them. Well, what's especially terrifying and orwellian is
Speaker 1: that the Communications Minister can personally order public show trials herself.
Speaker 1: We've already seen the Prime Minister and senior cabinet ministers
Speaker 1: throw around accusations of misinformation, often in Parliament. Well, there'd
Speaker 1: be nothing stopping the Minister under the law ordering a
Speaker 1: public hearing accusing X and Elon Musk of misinformation if
Speaker 1: she felt it was running more conservative views or misinformation
Speaker 1: during an election period. And here's how the Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi, remember has already spoken about Elon Musk.
Speaker 10: We'll do what's necessary to take on this arrogant billionaire
Speaker 10: who thinks.
Speaker 5: He is above the law.
Speaker 10: Social media has a social responsibility. If mister Musk doesn't
Speaker 10: understand that, that says more about him than it does
Speaker 10: about my government.
Speaker 1: And now this woken grotesquely out of touch Prime Minister
Speaker 1: wants to be able to find people for so called misinformation.
Speaker 1: It's an insult to the intelligence of Australians. It's taking
Speaker 1: critical thinking out of our hands. And this isn't all
Speaker 1: as far fetched as it sounds, because in the UK
Speaker 1: we're already seeing innocent people being arrested for what they've
Speaker 1: said on social media.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I've been campaigning on this issue for a long time.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was the first journalist to report on
Speaker 1: concerns about this misinformation bill. This was before the Coalition
Speaker 1: had even decided to oppose the laws, and I encouraged
Speaker 1: them to do so publicly in June last year. High
Speaker 1: profile journalist Michael Schellenberger has been fighting back against similar
Speaker 1: misinformation laws internationally. His advocacy has been incredible and he's
Speaker 1: on my show tonight. He says what we're seeing now
Speaker 1: in Australia is the worst censorship we've seen anywhere in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 11: I think the Albanize government is treating its particular brand
Speaker 11: of woke politics as a religion.
Speaker 2: Is right.
Speaker 1: The Albanese government is doing a lot of damage to
Speaker 1: our country. Its lack of action on social cohesion and
Speaker 1: antisemitism is right up there. But in terms of legislation,
Speaker 1: this is the single most concerning law the government is introducing.
Speaker 1: No government of any political persuasion should be the arbiter
Speaker 1: of the truth should be given the power to determine
Speaker 1: what's factual and what's misinformation. Because free speech is part
Speaker 1: of what distinguishes us from dictatorships. We need to fight
Speaker 1: for our values and our democracy and stop the Albaneze
Speaker 1: government from finding and even maybe jailing people who refuse
Speaker 1: to puppet their woke ideology. The pursuit of causes that
Speaker 1: may be unfashionable or unpopular at a single point in
Speaker 1: time is fundamental for the growth of Western civilization and
Speaker 1: as I said, i'll come back to that with Michael
Speaker 1: Schellenberger a bit later, but I also want to quickly
Speaker 1: speak about the pro Hamas activists who are trying to
Speaker 1: deprive Australian children of the chance to celebrate Christmas. Christmas
Speaker 1: is a magical time for kids all over the world. Joy, sparkle, hope,
Speaker 1: and yes presence. Well over the weekend, there were ugly
Speaker 1: scenes in Melbourne where pro Palestinian protesters hijacked the opening
Speaker 1: day of the Maya Christmas windows, even though the official event.
Speaker 2: Had to be canceled.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's going to be a day we
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with this every single weekend? And
Speaker 1: now the pro Palestinian extremists are saying that children in
Speaker 1: Australia can't be happy because children in Gaza are suffering.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, my windows unveiling has been canceled. You
Speaker 12: know what else has been canceled tens of thousands of Palestinians.
Speaker 12: If you care more about the windows than Palestinian kids,
Speaker 12: then that says something about you, not protesters.
Speaker 1: Another activist, Sara Saila, said, and I quote, oh you
Speaker 1: want to celebrate Christmas but ignore the massacres happening in
Speaker 1: the lands where Jesus was from. Well, this demand that
Speaker 1: Australian children be deprived of joy because of a war
Speaker 1: thousands of kilometers away is disgraceful. As activists Drew Pavlo responded,
Speaker 1: they would never ever demand Muslims not observe important religious holidays.
Speaker 1: They never demand the Anma suspend eed celebrations over the
Speaker 1: imprisonment of one million week Muslims. They only attack Christian
Speaker 1: and Jewish religious holidays. If these activists truly cared about
Speaker 1: Palestinian children, then on October eighth, twenty twenty three, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have celebrated the massacre in Israel. Instead, they would
Speaker 1: have demanded that her must release our innocent hostages. They
Speaker 1: would have demanded that her must release the hostages, lay
Speaker 1: down arms, and stop attacking Israel. This would have not
Speaker 1: only been the right thing to do, but it also
Speaker 1: would have avoided further Palestinian suffering.
Speaker 2: But they didn't demand this.
Speaker 1: In my view, they don't truly care about the Palestinian
Speaker 1: cause because they don't say a word when footage emerges
Speaker 1: of her Musk mistreatment and torturing of Palestinians, or when
Speaker 1: the Channel twelve Israeli journalists went into Gaza and interviewed
Speaker 1: dozens of Palacetinians who spoke of how Hermas had ruined
Speaker 1: their lives, taken away their sons, and destroyed their families.
Speaker 2: Here's that footage.
Speaker 5: Login ba has hanahes.
Speaker 2: Extraordinary reporting.
Speaker 1: Then I had the journalist on my show on Thursday
Speaker 1: who went into Gaza and interviewed those Palestinians, but not
Speaker 1: a word from any of the pro Palestinian activists about
Speaker 1: Hermas is truly ruining the lives of Palestinians, and it
Speaker 1: has been doing so for over four hundred days, well
Speaker 1: then actually seventeen years before that too. These activists only
Speaker 1: protest because it's against Israel, against Jews, and now they
Speaker 1: want to ruin the joy of Christmas for Australian children. Now,
Speaker 1: many families have an annual tradition of visiting department stores
Speaker 1: to see the beautiful Christmas display in the window. These
Speaker 1: are memories they'll have for a lifetime, traditions they'll continue
Speaker 1: with their own children and grandchildren. Families catch the train
Speaker 1: to go into the city and have a beautiful day out.
Speaker 1: But now this was canceled thanks to that angry mob
Speaker 1: of Israel haters. Will Ray Hadley performed an epic spray
Speaker 1: against Albanezi over all of this on Friday morning. I
Speaker 1: was cheering in my car while listening, and here's some
Speaker 1: of his strongest comments through the.
Speaker 6: Alban I didn't think you'd be as low as the
Speaker 6: snake's belly, but I think you're pretty low at the moment.
Speaker 6: And Penny Wong's right behind you. He is the worst
Speaker 6: Prime minister We've ever had, the worst throw all of
Speaker 6: them in Marc on on Fraser GoF Whitlam, go through
Speaker 6: the list whoever you like. He's the worst prime minister
Speaker 6: we have had by this length of the Strait, and.
Speaker 1: The Australian public can see very clearly what's happening here,
Speaker 1: how a rabbid mob is trying to destroy the joy
Speaker 1: of Christmas here in Australia, and how Alban Easy is
Speaker 1: too weak to stand up to any of them because
Speaker 1: he's putting politics over the right of kids to enjoy
Speaker 1: Christmas in peace. Okay, let's bring in now Sky News
Speaker 1: contributed Joe hilde Brand and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome
Speaker 1: to you both, and now Joe. Victorian Premiergistinto Allen was
Speaker 1: very strong in her comments about this.
Speaker 2: But yet police seemed in the face of these protesters.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the problem is.
Speaker 4: You don't seem to need any permit to protest in Victoria,
Speaker 4: even though of course if you're there to protest against
Speaker 4: COVID restrictions you get locked up pretty quickly. And the
Speaker 4: difference between that and New South Wales where we have
Speaker 4: a much more moderate, sensible, right wing labor government as
Speaker 4: opposed to the left wing labor government. That's the sort
Speaker 4: of empty sort of husk of the legacy of Dan
Speaker 4: Andrews in Victoria. For one thing, there's two things here.
Speaker 4: I think you can say whatever you want, you can
Speaker 4: call it the protesters morons or whatever. But if you
Speaker 4: have fostered a culture that basically rewards extreme leftist behavior
Speaker 4: and basically sort of you know, politicizes almost the entire state,
Speaker 4: which is what's happened under three terms of socialist left
Speaker 4: labor in Victoria, then you are going to get those things.
Speaker 4: I don't see why you can't have a permit system
Speaker 4: to protest in Victoria. We have the exact same thing
Speaker 4: in New South Wales, and yet still we have these
Speaker 4: doesn't interfere with freedom of speech. They still have their
Speaker 4: bloody protests every single week. But when it comes to
Speaker 4: things like, you know, protesting, you know, in support of
Speaker 4: October seventh, or saying that you know, and this is
Speaker 4: these are people who sympathize with the people who launched
Speaker 4: the October seven terrorist takes. Yeah, having their protests there,
Speaker 4: which would have been right outside the Great Synagogue in Sydney,
Speaker 4: for example, meant that police had.
Speaker 7: The power to say, oh no, you don't, you have
Speaker 7: to move it somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I think it's just not good enough, Holly, that these
Speaker 1: protesters effectively are bullying everyone and they get away with
Speaker 1: ruining what should have been just a simple joy, the
Speaker 1: annual tradition that so many families have of going to
Speaker 1: see the Christmas displays.
Speaker 8: And but it just shows their idiocy watching some of
Speaker 8: the tweets you just put up that this is the
Speaker 8: land that Jesus was from. Yeah, not absolutely, that is
Speaker 8: where Jesus the Jew was from. And so they actually
Speaker 8: destroy their own argument. And for any of us that
Speaker 8: have been to Israel and know that Bethlehem is actually
Speaker 8: run by the Palestinians, I've been to the church, the
Speaker 8: Nativity where Jesus was born, what Christmas is all about,
Speaker 8: and I actually brought a Bible there and a few
Speaker 8: other things and brought them from Palestinians. So these are
Speaker 8: people who are completely ignorant to everything about what is
Speaker 8: going on. They have no comprehension the fact that so
Speaker 8: many Palestinians actually blame Hamas for the troubles and the
Speaker 8: hardships that they've endured, the treatment of women, the treatment
Speaker 8: of gays, all of those things that Hermas has been
Speaker 8: responsible for yet these so called you know, look, they're
Speaker 8: just they're morons. And sorry, Joe, I know you said
Speaker 8: you can say that they're completely but they are just
Speaker 8: they are idiotic.
Speaker 2: They are stupid. They don't understand history.
Speaker 8: You know, they refer to colonization when you know Alasco
Speaker 8: is on the top of Temple Mount.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're colonizing.
Speaker 8: Somewhere you don't build underneath the temple, like, come on,
Speaker 8: and it's the Second Temple. I mean, you know, they
Speaker 8: don't understand the basics of the history. They don't understand
Speaker 8: the basics of the actual geography of the region. And
Speaker 8: to now say, well, you can't celebrate Christmas, well, I
Speaker 8: can tell you whether you celebrate Christmas from a religious
Speaker 8: perspective or whether you're more focused on Santa and the
Speaker 8: presence under the tree. There aren't many Australian kids who
Speaker 8: are going to be thankful to you if those presents
Speaker 8: aren't under the tree from Santa.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe this is the hope.
Speaker 8: Maybe you know, all those kids that have been indoctrinated
Speaker 8: at university, hopefully the kids in the generation after them
Speaker 8: are like, well, hang on, you try to ruin Christmas.
Speaker 8: We're not going to side with you anymore, and we
Speaker 8: might have hope for future generations because it seems like
Speaker 8: some of this one is lost.
Speaker 4: Also worth noting that the Jerusalem that Jesus was living
Speaker 4: under was also colonized by the Romans, and Jesus absolutely refused,
Speaker 4: point blank all the exhortations from those around him to
Speaker 4: ever use violence as a political solution to that colonization.
Speaker 4: So again, you know, I'm pretty well read on old JC.
Speaker 4: And for the protest is to invoke his message or
Speaker 4: his name in their crazyness, it's great.
Speaker 2: That just shows the house you think they are. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really does.
Speaker 1: Stupid and selfish and of course just adding to the history, Lisson, well,
Speaker 1: Jews were, of course indigenous to the land of Israel
Speaker 1: there for more than four thousand years. All right, let's
Speaker 1: turn to the Prime Minister now, because now China is
Speaker 1: holding Albanesi up as the role model for Western leaders.
Speaker 1: This should be an embarrassment, Joe, because you know, we're
Speaker 1: seeing that Albanizi potentially struggling to forge ties in Washington,
Speaker 1: but yet he's being praised by the communist dictatorship of China.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously this is not the sort of
Speaker 4: praise that you want to hear. But this is not
Speaker 4: of Albanese's doing. This is something that this is something
Speaker 4: that China is trying to use to try to paint
Speaker 4: Albanesi and the Australian government as something that they are
Speaker 4: not in an effort to make other countries fall into
Speaker 4: line and behave similarly. And the fact that it is so.
Speaker 1: Fall into line and behave similarly, that's exactly the point.
Speaker 4: Yes, you're falling forward the Chinese propagandica. This is what
Speaker 4: the Chinese are trying to do and the reason they
Speaker 4: are doing it, and this is what so many people
Speaker 4: are missing, is because they are clearly and genuinely rattled
Speaker 4: by the election of Donald Trump, and that is a
Speaker 4: good thing. They are desperate and they say, oh my god,
Speaker 4: it looks like, you know, America is now this unknown quantity.
Speaker 4: We don't know how it's going to behave. And they says, oh, look,
Speaker 4: we're going to you know, present this picture of Australia,
Speaker 4: which they know is America's greatest ally in the region,
Speaker 4: paint them as being supplicant in the hope that America
Speaker 4: will say, oh Australia is doing, will do it too.
Speaker 4: It is hopelessly naive, but and stupid and shamelessly transparent.
Speaker 4: But it does show how worried China is and that is.
Speaker 7: A good thing.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think, Holly, I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world, isn't it getting praise from
Speaker 1: dictators when everyone can see that Albanezy government's petrified about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's election.
Speaker 8: It's like paint by numbers, Joe, if they're painting a picture.
Speaker 8: Because let me tell you, when they want to present
Speaker 8: our easy as supplicate, it's because he is, you know,
Speaker 8: the handsome boy. This isn't the first time they've hate
Speaker 8: praise on him. And if you spend a minute to
Speaker 8: listen to Comrade Albanesi and his colleagues, they will all
Speaker 8: tell you how wonderful they have been at their relationship
Speaker 8: with China, which is basically just being will do what
Speaker 8: you want us to do. They are absolutely fawning at China.
Speaker 8: We know that it is absolutely frightening for Australians to
Speaker 8: think that our Prime minister is more comfortable cozying up
Speaker 8: to left wing communist dictatorships than he is with having
Speaker 8: relationships with capitalist Western values leaders around the world. And
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be saying this is something that should be
Speaker 8: shirked at. And if China is worried, let me tell
Speaker 8: you every Australian elector out there, if they're worried about
Speaker 8: the election of Trump, let's give them Peter Darton as
Speaker 8: well to make sure that they do have a couple
Speaker 8: of strong men, not one strong man and week supplicant
Speaker 8: there standing out for Australia.
Speaker 1: Very good points the fact that Albinize is more comfortable
Speaker 1: criticizing our ally in Israel than he is China.
Speaker 2: Says a lot.
Speaker 1: All right, Holly Hughes, Johuda Brand, great to see both
Speaker 1: of you. Well, let's return to the misinformation laws, which
Speaker 1: have already passed the House of Representatives. They'll go to
Speaker 1: a vote in the Senate next week. No doubt the
Speaker 1: government will be offering the cross bench all sorts of
Speaker 1: deals and sweeteners to try and get their support this week,
Speaker 1: and the Coalition, as I spoke about, has won that
Speaker 1: Australians could even be jailed under these new laws were
Speaker 1: Prominent journalist and author Michael Shellenberger is sounding the alarm.
Speaker 1: He's seriously concerned about these laws and their impact on
Speaker 1: free speech. Here's my exclusive interview with him, Michael Shellenberger,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. The Australian government
Speaker 1: is introducing an o'wellian Misinformation Bill, where individuals could be
Speaker 1: fined thousands of dollars if they don't take down what
Speaker 1: bureaucrats determine is misinformation.
Speaker 2: How dangerous do you think this would be for democracy?
Speaker 7: Well, thanks for asking.
Speaker 11: I mean, I think it's a huge threat to democracy,
Speaker 11: not just in Australia but potentially around the world. The
Speaker 11: authors of the legislation have made clear that they think
Speaker 11: it should apply both internally and externally. We saw the
Speaker 11: e Safety Commissioner earlier this year attempt to ban a
Speaker 11: video from x formerly Twitter, not just in Australia but
Speaker 11: around the world.
Speaker 7: If you don't have free speech, you don't have democracy.
Speaker 11: Democracy depends on people being able to speak their mind,
Speaker 11: and so what's happening in Australia it's really one of
Speaker 11: the worst censorship efforts that we've seen anywhere over the
Speaker 11: last several years.
Speaker 1: In the policy documentation, the Albanezy government accuses Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: the President elect, of being a source of misinformation, claiming
Speaker 1: he told people to ingest Bleach, which he never did,
Speaker 1: but in doing so, this is disinformation.
Speaker 2: It's isn't it?
Speaker 1: And doesn't this pose two problems? First, it's false accusations
Speaker 1: against the incoming president, but also it shows how the
Speaker 1: truth can be so easily distorted and labeled misinformation.
Speaker 11: Well, that's exactly right. The case you're referring to, of course,
Speaker 11: is the Ministry of the Ministry of Communications had falsely
Speaker 11: suggested that Trump suggested that people should drink bleach or
Speaker 11: inject bleach. That's been widely debunked, and yet they're citing
Speaker 11: that as reason why they need these new censorship powers.
Speaker 11: I think it points to something very important here, which
Speaker 11: is that almost always the demands for censorship are of
Speaker 11: accurate information, and almost always they are involved spreading misinformation.
Speaker 11: So you see a very funny sort of projection by
Speaker 11: the people that want censorship accusing other people of misinformation
Speaker 11: while they themselves are spreading misinformation. The reason that that
Speaker 11: happens is because the people that want censorship are really
Speaker 11: blind to their own foibles. They are are very arrogant,
Speaker 11: they don't have very much self awareness, and so.
Speaker 7: In fact that researchers have studied this, it's a.
Speaker 11: Form of narcissism known as the first person effect, where
Speaker 11: people can't perceive that they themselves are guilty of the
Speaker 11: thing they're accusing others. So it's really this is the
Speaker 11: basis of tutulitarianism, that you're going to be ruled over
Speaker 11: by people that are really imagine themselves to be pure
Speaker 11: and perfect and always right, and seeking to censor people
Speaker 11: that they disagree with. I'm often on the basis of
Speaker 11: false information.
Speaker 1: The United States is moving towards a total free speech model,
Speaker 1: particularly since Elon Musk bought X and yet the Albanesi
Speaker 1: government with its censorship bill, is moving in precisely the
Speaker 1: opposite Orwellian direction. What are the risks here with the
Speaker 1: Labor government's approach.
Speaker 11: Well, it's pretty shocking that the Albanesi government is proposing
Speaker 11: this sweeping censorship bill. They have not made made no
Speaker 11: secret of the fact that they want to censor Trump,
Speaker 11: that they want to censor Elon Musk. That strikes me
Speaker 11: as a very unwise and counterproductive act of aggression against
Speaker 11: the incoming Trump administration.
Speaker 7: You know, we Americans have.
Speaker 11: Always valued our relationship with Australia. We look, you know,
Speaker 11: very kindly on all of our English speaking allies around
Speaker 11: the world.
Speaker 7: This is just a very strange act.
Speaker 11: Of hostility by the Albonizi government against Donald Trump and
Speaker 11: one of his main supporters, who also happens to run
Speaker 11: the largest free speech platform in the world. You Know,
Speaker 11: the funny thing is people say that Elon Musk has
Speaker 11: you know, a strong free speech standard. You know, Musk
Speaker 11: actually censors a significant amount of content that is legally
Speaker 11: allowed under our constitution, mostly under pressure from various groups
Speaker 11: that want to see a lot of censorship. So what's
Speaker 11: being proposed in Australia is downright to talitarian. I mean,
Speaker 11: you're having the government demand that Musk censor things that
Speaker 11: are true that are income to the Albanesi government.
Speaker 7: But I just can't understand. I don't think the people
Speaker 7: of Australia really.
Speaker 11: Understand just how big of a fight the Australian government
Speaker 11: is picking with the incoming Trump administration. I can't see
Speaker 11: that as being in the interests of the people of Australia.
Speaker 1: Michael, this has barely been reported at all, but actually
Speaker 1: religious leaders across many different faiths are condemning this bill
Speaker 1: because it would give bureaucrats the ability to determine whether
Speaker 1: the content of a religious belief is misinformation or not.
Speaker 2: This is highly concerning because.
Speaker 1: People should be able to believe whatever they like according
Speaker 1: to their religion. I mean, how can you have bureaucrats
Speaker 1: determining whether religious beliefs are misinformation.
Speaker 2: It's just absurd.
Speaker 7: Well, it's terrifying. I mean, this is something that we've had.
Speaker 11: We've had protections of religious freedom for hundreds of years
Speaker 11: in the West, start starting in Europe in the you know,
Speaker 11: as early as the sixteen seventeenth centuries. What you're really
Speaker 11: seeing here is a mentality of the Inquisition. You know,
Speaker 11: one of the characteristics of totalitarianism is the penetration by
Speaker 11: politics of all realms of life. And so I think
Speaker 11: the Albaniza government is treating its particular brand of woke
Speaker 11: politics as a religion, and so they're out on a
Speaker 11: hunt for heretics. This is a very familiar pattern of
Speaker 11: all titalitarian systems, whether it's the Inquisition or fascism or communism.
Speaker 11: The fact that this is dressing itself up as protecting
Speaker 11: people is actually precisely what or Well worried about when
Speaker 11: he wrote nineteen eighty four. So it's scary to look
Speaker 11: at it's like a Black Mirror episode to see Australia
Speaker 11: demanding censorship in the name of free speech and defending
Speaker 11: censorship in the name of protecting people. In fact, they're
Speaker 11: going they're making very clear that they intend to use
Speaker 11: it as a tool to persecute people who have other
Speaker 11: religions than the official state religion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so dangerous, and you articulate the risks
Speaker 1: very very well, Michael Donald. Trump has committed to transparency
Speaker 1: around information on a range of topics that are currently
Speaker 1: top secret or highly classified. You've done a lot of
Speaker 1: reporting in this space. What do you think needs to
Speaker 1: be released under Trump's administration.
Speaker 7: Well, there's so much secrecy that has piled up over
Speaker 7: the years.
Speaker 11: Exactly fifty years from when Trump takes office, the Senate
Speaker 11: of the United States held very big investigation.
Speaker 7: It was called the Church Committee hearings. We need that again.
Speaker 11: It's fifty years of secrets have accumulated. Boy, there's so
Speaker 11: many different things that the government is hiding that need
Speaker 11: to come out. I would say at the top of
Speaker 11: the list is the origin of COVID. We need to
Speaker 11: know what the government. What the US government knows that
Speaker 11: it hasn't made public. Yet Americans still don't have all
Speaker 11: the files around the investigation into the fascination of President
Speaker 11: John F.
Speaker 7: Kennedy over sixty years ago.
Speaker 11: We also there's been a big debate in the United
Speaker 11: States over what used to be called UFOs that are
Speaker 11: now called unidentified anomalist phenomena. I, like many others, do
Speaker 11: not claim to know what they are, but the military
Speaker 11: has taken them seriously, but it continues to refuse to
Speaker 11: release what we know are many films and videos about UAPs,
Speaker 11: something actually that is a big That's been an issue
Speaker 11: as well in Australia, where if you don't care what
Speaker 11: the if you think their weather balloons or Chinese spy
Speaker 11: satellites or birds or some sort of optical illusion. These
Speaker 11: are things that, like all these things are best out
Speaker 11: in the open where we can have an open discussion
Speaker 11: of scientific based discussion.
Speaker 7: So I think the key here is transparency.
Speaker 11: Donald Trump has promised to release all that information, plus
Speaker 11: certainly the information around the corruption of the and the
Speaker 11: weaponization of federal agencies to target him and falsely claim
Speaker 11: that he was compromised by the Russian government that was disproved,
Speaker 11: But we still haven't gotten to the bottom of the weaponization,
Speaker 11: including the weaponization of the FBI and CIA, not just
Speaker 11: in twenty sixteen, but again in twenty twenty. As it
Speaker 11: related to running a disinformation operation. This has now proven
Speaker 11: this is not a theory disinformation operation around the Hunter
Speaker 11: Biden laptop, the laptop that shows showed that the Biden
Speaker 11: family is involved in it was involved in a vast
Speaker 11: influence pedaling scheme involving the Ukrainians, the Chinese, and many
Speaker 11: other governments. So really it's time to come clean. I
Speaker 11: think that the goal should be truth in reconciliation, not revenge.
Speaker 11: But we can't have truth in reconciliation until we have
Speaker 11: the proper disclosure and transparency of what's been kept secret
Speaker 11: from us for so long.
Speaker 1: Michael, You're reporting has been extraordinary across so many different issues.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us. I really appreciate
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much hereon back at you. I really
Speaker 11: appreciate your reporting on the issues as well.
Speaker 1: And I also asked Michael Schellenberger a bit more about
Speaker 1: his recent reporting on UFOs or UAPs as he said
Speaker 1: they're now called, And that'll be online at skynews dot
Speaker 1: com dot au tonight if you'd like to watch that.
Speaker 1: And Michael's on route to Australia as we speak to
Speaker 1: continue this fight on the misinformation laws and Paul Maray's
Speaker 1: going to tell you how you can help, so watch
Speaker 1: his show tonight at nine o'clock. Still to come on
Speaker 1: my program more details on the shock arrest of radio
Speaker 1: legend Alan Jones. I'll bring you Caroline Marcus's report from
Speaker 1: the police station.
Speaker 2: That's right after the break. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: Well, a political polster will join me here in a
Speaker 1: minute to talk about how quickly alban Easy is losing
Speaker 1: the trust of voters. But let's return to today's biggest
Speaker 1: story now, the arrest of shock jock Alan Jones just
Speaker 1: before eight o'clock this morning. Once the most feared man
Speaker 1: in broadcasting, now he's the center of a media, police
Speaker 1: and legal storm. Detectives executed a search warranted his iconic
Speaker 1: toaster apartment in Circular Key before arresting him over allegations
Speaker 1: he indecently assaulted young men during his radio career. We
Speaker 1: learned today he's been the subject of a highly secretive
Speaker 1: investigation by the State Crime Commands.
Speaker 2: Child Abuse Squad. Here's more from Caroline Marcus.
Speaker 13: Police allege Alan Jones's eight victims ranged from a seventeen
Speaker 13: year old to.
Speaker 2: A man aged in his fifties.
Speaker 13: They say the alleged offenses took place between two thousand
Speaker 13: and one and twenty nineteen and involved both people who
Speaker 13: had worked for him, as well as people he'd allegedly
Speaker 13: assaulted upon first meeting. The eighty three year old has
Speaker 13: been charged with a total of twenty four offenses, including
Speaker 13: eleven counts of aggravated and decent assault where a victim
Speaker 13: has been under his authority, nine counts of assaults with
Speaker 13: act of indecency, two counts of sexually touching another person
Speaker 13: without consent, and two counts of common assault.
Speaker 1: And as I said before, Alan Jones has denied the allegations.
Speaker 1: He's innocent until proven guilty and he'll face caught On
Speaker 1: December eighteen. Were now in the wake of the US election,
Speaker 1: a new Freshwater Strategy poll has found that nearly half
Speaker 1: of voters believe Peter Dutton would be better than Albin
Speaker 1: Easy at engaging with Donald Trump. The pole also found
Speaker 1: that Albo had all but lost his lead in the
Speaker 1: preferred prime minister survey. And I'm now joined by Director
Speaker 1: of freshwater strategy. Leo Shanahan, Leo, thanks for your time. Look,
Speaker 1: this is concerning that Albin Easy can manage China, but
Speaker 1: voters believe he's going to have a problem with the
Speaker 1: new president of the US.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it is an interesting one, Cherry. I think that
Speaker 14: just juxtaposician you point to is kind of telling in
Speaker 14: that he has been on stage recently with Chinese leader
Speaker 14: is trying to, you know, as you should, mend the
Speaker 14: Australia Chinese relationship. But people aren't fools, and when they
Speaker 14: see someone like Donald Trump elected, they understand that the
Speaker 14: side of politics that the Albanezi comes from is not
Speaker 14: going to work as well with the type and side
Speaker 14: of politics that Donald Trump stands for. And I think
Speaker 14: that leads into this overall issue of management of the
Speaker 14: Trump administration by a labor government. And it doesn't really
Speaker 14: help that a former labor Prime minister in Kevin Rudd,
Speaker 14: is the ambassador there, and it's obviously on record making
Speaker 14: numerous disparaging remarks about the next president of the United States.
Speaker 14: So I don't think anyone is fooled by the fact
Speaker 14: that by the obvious alliance that Donald Trump would have
Speaker 14: more in common. I think believe with Peter Dutton as
Speaker 14: well as it goes to personality to some degree, I
Speaker 14: think there's a recognition that Donald Trump is more of
Speaker 14: a strong man and has sympathies for other strong leaders,
Speaker 14: and I think Peter Dutton is viewed very much in
Speaker 14: that category.
Speaker 1: Looking at how Dutt and versus Albanezi would handle some
Speaker 1: of the issues that are dominating voters concerns ahead of
Speaker 1: the next election, well, can you run us through some
Speaker 1: of those key issues?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think you know, once again, the cost and
Speaker 14: standard of living by far is that key issue for people.
Speaker 14: Seventy seven percent of people nominating that issue, and that's
Speaker 14: rolled up in a kind of super issue, as I've said,
Speaker 14: with housing and accommodation forty two percent people nominating that.
Speaker 14: Management and the economy once again, health and crime and
Speaker 14: social order, and among those top five the Coalition is
Speaker 14: leading on all counts. On all five, sorry I should
Speaker 14: say on health and social care they're still but they're
Speaker 14: only marginally behind. And for a coalition opposition to be
Speaker 14: marginally behind a labor government on health and social care
Speaker 14: is a concern.
Speaker 2: And what about immigration?
Speaker 14: Immigration is an interesting one show because I think you know,
Speaker 14: it didn't track as a major issue immigration and asylum
Speaker 14: for a few years, and it has really grown in
Speaker 14: people's consciousness. At sixteen percent, now, that might not sound
Speaker 14: that high, but compared to something like the environment and
Speaker 14: climate change, which we were told with such dominant issues
Speaker 14: for so many years, that's only at nineteen percent, So
Speaker 14: they almost a parity in terms of issues of importance,
Speaker 14: and the Coalition very much leading on that issue of.
Speaker 7: Asylum and immigration.
Speaker 2: All right, Leah Shanahan, thank you very much for joining
Speaker 2: us to explain that.
Speaker 7: Thanks Ery.
Speaker 1: Now coming up after the break, it's a war of words.
Speaker 1: Ray Hadley sprays alban easy while Jim Charmers flies off
Speaker 1: the handle about Peter Dutton.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about those moments with my political panel next
Speaker 2: and move on to.
Speaker 1: Well, let's bring in our Monday night political panel former
Speaker 1: chief of Staff to Bill Shotton, Cameron Milner and Farmer
Speaker 1: Howard Advisor David Gazard.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both as always.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to return to this epic spray that
Speaker 1: Ray Hadley had about Anthony Alberizi on Friday morning because
Speaker 1: it was so spot on.
Speaker 6: Let's recap it's just infuriating, It's infuriating. It makes you
Speaker 6: just dead set angry to even contemplate that we are
Speaker 6: led by a pack of cowards, a pack of cowards.
Speaker 6: Anthony Albanesi. I thought he might make a galvet. He
Speaker 6: is the worst prime minister we've ever had, the worst.
Speaker 2: Quite the spray, Cameron, what do you reckon? Do you agree?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 15: It was the spray, wasn't it? And Ray Hadley's reflecting
Speaker 15: what his own viewers and what we're seeing in polling Shari.
Speaker 15: He's seen as weak, fundamentally weak in tough times when
Speaker 15: he's strong leaders and Albanize is giving us complete weakness.
Speaker 15: But he's also wounded, which is why people are after him.
Speaker 15: White people at the attack is being placed on Albanese.
Speaker 15: So Albaniz is like a wilderbeast in savannah. Further further
Speaker 15: back in the pack aging, stumbling from cliff Top mansion
Speaker 15: to Qutas Upgrade. He's wounded and he's weak, and there's
Speaker 15: certainly the scent of blood about him in terms of
Speaker 15: where people are going after him. And no wonder Ray
Speaker 15: Hadley gave him the spray.
Speaker 1: He said he was lower than a snake's belly. David Gazzart,
Speaker 1: I mean this perception of alban Ezy accurate perception, I
Speaker 1: would say, is starting to cut through with voters.
Speaker 16: We haven't seen a prime minister sort of in the
Speaker 16: same position really for quite some time without a sign
Speaker 16: that he's going to be able to recover, and his
Speaker 16: numbers have been steadily sliding now for a year. He's
Speaker 16: faced with a number of intractable problems and you just
Speaker 16: don't know how Anthony Albanezi will turn the corner. Now,
Speaker 16: Ray Hadley, he's been around for a while, He's seen
Speaker 16: a lot of pms. He is leaving to GB very influential,
Speaker 16: so he can sort of speak his mind without any recriminations,
Speaker 16: I would imagine. But he's certainly let fly there, hasn't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think all of us can speak our
Speaker 1: mind and we hope that there would be no recriminations
Speaker 1: at all. But you know, he is coming up to
Speaker 1: the end of his time in radio, Ray Hawdley, and
Speaker 1: this is what he thinks of Alvin easy Camra Milner,
Speaker 1: You've written a column tonight in The Nightly where you
Speaker 1: don't hold back either. You talk about the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: going on many overseas trips and just not paying enough
Speaker 1: attention to the issues that matter here in Australia.
Speaker 2: Can you expand on that for us?
Speaker 15: Well, he knew the present US presidential election was going
Speaker 15: to be on and so that was a known thing.
Speaker 15: He knew where APEC was on you when G twenty
Speaker 15: was on, but he scheduled Pilam at the same time
Speaker 15: so he didn't have to turn up to work. Shari,
Speaker 15: this spoke's half a world away, you know, getting backslaps
Speaker 15: and hugs from Trudeau and others and being told about
Speaker 15: how he's made in China by President Z. Well, no,
Speaker 15: he should be back here doing his job. He should
Speaker 15: be back here taking questions in Parliament. I mean, this
Speaker 15: bloke is a guy who's absent from work, absent from
Speaker 15: work half a world away, and people and Australians are
Speaker 15: going to see that and going to vote for it.
Speaker 15: They're not going to tolerate someone who's not on the
Speaker 15: job twenty four to seven fighting the cost of living.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's extraordinary just how much of Parliament he is missing.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, the Treasurer Jim Chalmers has attacked Peter Dutton
Speaker 1: on air this morning after that poll that I was
Speaker 1: just speaking about before, showing Dutton would be more effective
Speaker 1: at handling Trump.
Speaker 17: Have a look, I think when it comes to Peter Dutton,
Speaker 17: I think he has a kind of a reckless arrogance
Speaker 17: which doesn't lend itself to foreign policy and maintaining and
Speaker 17: managing some of these complex relationships. I think he would
Speaker 17: be a risk to our economy. I think that kind
Speaker 17: of reckless arrogance doesn't lend itself to managing these relationships.
Speaker 1: David Gazarde, I think this is the key point. Labour's
Speaker 1: entire pre election strategy was on playing the man with
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton, but it's not going to work.
Speaker 16: I look, they've tried this before with Scott Morrison and
Speaker 16: was successful. From my position, they effectively Assassin's character. So
Speaker 16: I mean what you do when you've got an unpopular
Speaker 16: leader is you can't reverse the fortunes and make people
Speaker 16: like him. So what you do is you drag the
Speaker 16: other bloke down to a point these blow within him,
Speaker 16: and that's what they managed to do. I mean Scott
Speaker 16: Morrison was seeking a fourth term, which is always difficult,
Speaker 16: and you can do that from opposition. It's a lot
Speaker 16: more difficult to do that from government. People expect you
Speaker 16: to govern people expect you to take responsibility for where
Speaker 16: things that are at.
Speaker 7: And I think you know, this has been six months of.
Speaker 16: Peter Dutton and Peter Dutton, Peter dudd and Peter dund
Speaker 16: Peter Dunnan's the fault of all the problems in society,
Speaker 16: Peter Dunnan's missed the economy. Like you just kind of
Speaker 16: want to shake them and say you've got to govern now,
Speaker 16: this is your job to govern. So I think we're
Speaker 16: in the same template now as we were before the
Speaker 16: last election. They want to drag Peter Dutton back, and
Speaker 16: you're going to see a mother of scarecamp, mother of
Speaker 16: all scare campaigns between now and the election whenever that
Speaker 16: may be.
Speaker 1: Look and it's the same strategy that the Democrats played
Speaker 1: against Trump and the US. They made it all about
Speaker 1: him personally, but the reality is that there are some
Speaker 1: serious issues that people are worried about globally, cost of living,
Speaker 1: the economy, and social cohesion, and people are voting on
Speaker 1: those issues, not on personality. Karon Milner David Gazard, thank
Speaker 1: you both very much for your time.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next Monday. Thank you, and don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: We turned to the US where Donald Trump and He's
Speaker 1: new inner circle of Elon Mascarfk and Vivek Ramezwami are
Speaker 1: the new squad taking over the Internet. Plus our look
Speaker 1: at Trump's cabinet shaping up to be a young but
Speaker 1: powerful one. All of that with Koshergata after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Remember when Taylor Swear and her girl gang with the
Speaker 1: coolest squad in town. Well now they've been overtaken by
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Vivak Ramaswami, RFK, Tolsy Gabbard and
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson.
Speaker 2: They went to the UFC together. A bunch of them
Speaker 2: have posed for.
Speaker 1: Pictures on private jets eating McDonald's and Moore and I
Speaker 1: was actually surprised to see RFK eating macas they're given.
Speaker 1: He has declared a war against junk food. All right,
Speaker 1: Sky News contributed Koshagada joins me. Now, Kocha, this is
Speaker 1: the new cool group in politics. You know, the fans
Speaker 1: on the internet are going crazy. But Trump and Elon
Speaker 1: Musk in particular basically joined at their hip and they're
Speaker 1: promising to shake things up.
Speaker 2: They sure are.
Speaker 9: They have not left each other aside as you see,
Speaker 9: and they look like they're having a time of their
Speaker 9: lives in this past week in mar Lago and elsewhere.
Speaker 9: You know, there's this famous seeing that says politics is
Speaker 9: downstream from culture. I think what Trump and Musk and
Speaker 9: this whole group are proving, at least in this instance,
Speaker 9: it's in the reverse, and culture is downstream from politics.
Speaker 9: Everything from his dance move to these photos that they're
Speaker 9: releasing and they're having fun at the UFC and flying
Speaker 9: on jets and all of that. It's interesting because on
Speaker 9: top it's layering and packaging something about how that cool
Speaker 9: factors are saying and how this team is going to
Speaker 9: work together, this group of outsiders, on top of the
Speaker 9: actual policy pics that.
Speaker 2: Of making a lot of news right now.
Speaker 9: And I think it's all deliberate with Trump that he's
Speaker 9: trying to signal this cohesive team that shares the same
Speaker 9: vision and having a lot of fun at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've been talking about Trump's cabinet appointees in recent days.
Speaker 1: One of his latest is the new Press Secretary, the
Speaker 1: youngest ever at the White House, Carolyn Levitt. Also another
Speaker 1: controversial pick has been RFK Junior to head the Department
Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services. What's the reaction Kosher been
Speaker 1: like to these two appointments.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the reaction to these two, as with
Speaker 9: all the others, is really like a tale of two cities,
Speaker 9: tale of two realities. And there's the side the losers
Speaker 9: who lost in this election, the Democrats and their allies
Speaker 9: are not happy with any of these picks because they
Speaker 9: are these outsiders, brawlers, come from a different point of
Speaker 9: view often than the traditional type. And then on the
Speaker 9: other side, the people that gave Trump the mandate are
Speaker 9: actually thrilled with these types of picks. For these two
Speaker 9: in particular, Caroline Lovett very young twenty seven years old.
Speaker 9: She was a pretty fierce, far breathing spokesperson for him
Speaker 9: during the campaign, and she would go in and do
Speaker 9: battle with CNN and MSNBC on a regular basis. So
Speaker 9: I think she's sort of got her own fandom, and
Speaker 9: I think the press briefings are going to be spicier
Speaker 9: this time.
Speaker 2: Around because of that.
Speaker 9: And then RFK of course is interesting in terms of
Speaker 9: his policy positions and what he wants to look at
Speaker 9: in terms of the food supply and the vaccine complex
Speaker 9: and all of that. But I also think on that
Speaker 9: symbolic level, The fact that he is this iconic democrat
Speaker 9: that supported Trump and now has earned a position in
Speaker 9: the cabinet is really interesting. When people have spent the
Speaker 9: better part of the last decade framing Trump as this
Speaker 9: divisive figure. It's just interesting that one of the most
Speaker 9: iconic democrat in US history is actually in his cabinet
Speaker 9: now potentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. Kosher.
Speaker 1: I just want to shift to Russia because Russia has
Speaker 1: targeted Ukraine in a major drone in missile attack and
Speaker 1: this comes kind of shortly after Joe Biden greenlit Ukraine's
Speaker 1: use of long range missiles against Russia.
Speaker 2: Do you think these two things are linked. It would
Speaker 2: appear so.
Speaker 9: And it is interesting that the Biden administration made this
Speaker 9: move at the eleventh hour, which is two months left
Speaker 9: in his presidency. And some would say that it's sort
Speaker 9: of he's pushing in or packing in a little bit
Speaker 9: of an escalatory move while he has that time left,
Speaker 9: because the Trump administration has made no secret of the
Speaker 9: fact that they're going to go a different way, probably
Speaker 9: towards a peace settlement of some sort. And I do
Speaker 9: think that the two things are linked, and that's probably
Speaker 9: the most logical conclusion we can draw from what's happened
Speaker 9: in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, that Russia attack overnight in Ukraine has been
Speaker 1: highly concerning and it has been reported that it targeted
Speaker 1: some critical site. So look, we have to hope that
Speaker 1: that aggression from Russia doesn't escalate as well in the
Speaker 1: next two months. I mean, Trump has said he's going
Speaker 1: to sort this out. We're yet to hear the proper
Speaker 1: detail of that. His remarks, as you said during his
Speaker 1: election campaign about Zelenski, We're very concerning. You know, let's
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't go down any weak national security path
Speaker 1: because we do need a strong US leadership on this
Speaker 1: front and not to side with Russia. All Right, Koshagada,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time. I won't be
Speaker 1: here tomorrow night. I'm at the Walkeley Journalism Awards. I'll
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday at eight o'clock. But right now
Speaker 1: he's Paul Murray and he is going to fire up
Speaker 1: about those misinformation lots here.
Speaker 2: He is