Speaker 1: Lately.
Speaker 2: General, welcome the late base.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for joining us for a brand new week.
Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staer and Caleb Bond. We've
Speaker 3: got a lot to get through tonight, including Florida police
Speaker 3: who catch a car thief and then taunt him online.
Speaker 4: Appropriate or inappropriate.
Speaker 3: We'll show you the video and you can decide. Plus,
Speaker 3: when we look at what's making news tomorrow, The Australian
Speaker 3: has got a front page exclusive detailing just how bad
Speaker 3: the economy is under Jim Chalmers spoiler alert. It's worse
Speaker 3: than you could possibly imagine. And you know those protests
Speaker 3: in Newcastle yesterday with the climate change protesters. One of
Speaker 3: the people arrested was released on bail despite the fact
Speaker 3: she had sixteen previous charges for similar offenses. All of
Speaker 3: that when we look at the papers. You know, I
Speaker 3: always thought it was the job of police to protect
Speaker 3: the public, but a UK police policy ours transgendered officers
Speaker 3: to strip search women risks, turning police from protectors into predators.
Speaker 3: The British Transport Police policy means that male officers who
Speaker 3: identify as female can require a woman to strip naked
Speaker 3: and then submit to a search. Now critics are calling
Speaker 3: it state sanctioned sexual abuse, and it's pretty easy to
Speaker 3: understand why. But when all of this came to public attention,
Speaker 3: unbelievably the police have defended the policy saying it's in
Speaker 3: line with equality laws.
Speaker 4: Can you believe it? That just goes to demonstrate how.
Speaker 3: Badly abused the word equality is these days.
Speaker 4: In addition, police.
Speaker 3: Said, well, a woman always has the right to object
Speaker 3: if she feels uncomfortable, which puts the onus on the
Speaker 3: woman to protect herself from the police. And that's if
Speaker 3: she realizes in time that she's being strip searched by
Speaker 3: a biological male. In a addition, if she's got the
Speaker 3: courage to challenge a police officer who's arresting her when
Speaker 3: she's in a very vulnerable position. The other thing that
Speaker 3: occurs to me, Lizen Caleb, is that if you question
Speaker 3: the sex of a police officer who's arresting you in
Speaker 3: the UK the way things are, you're likely to be
Speaker 3: charged with a hate crime to go along with your
Speaker 3: strip search. This risks the safety of women, It brings
Speaker 3: the reputation of the police force into disrepute, and as
Speaker 3: I said, instead of seeing police as protectors, it invites
Speaker 3: the public to imagine police officers as predators.
Speaker 4: It almost feels like the whole world has lost its mind.
Speaker 3: Police officer Sky Marden, who identifies as a woman, also
Speaker 3: thinks that the world has lost its mind, except we
Speaker 3: both can't be right. I'll let you watch and you
Speaker 3: can work out who's right.
Speaker 1: We are capable of so many amazing things.
Speaker 2: But yet.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three we can fly helicopters Thune lass. But
Speaker 1: yet the minutes somebody says, Hi, I'm trans I'm not binary,
Speaker 1: I'm just different.
Speaker 2: The world it loses its.
Speaker 4: Mind, lose. It's hard to disagree.
Speaker 3: The world has certainly lost its mind, just not quite
Speaker 3: in the way Officer Marden might imagine.
Speaker 5: May if that guy tried to strip search me, one
Speaker 5: of us would be leaving that encounter with no teeth
Speaker 5: and a permanent limp, and it would not be me. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I know we are the weakest ex ladies, but it's
Speaker 5: amazing what adrenaline can do. The fact that the Transport
Speaker 5: Police have tried this on when the National Police the
Speaker 5: NCCP tried this on in January and were forced to
Speaker 5: withdraw it because the Tory government at the time a
Speaker 5: bit different now that we're four and a half months
Speaker 5: into a chair Starmer government, the Tory government at the time,
Speaker 5: I'm kicked up such a fuss that the NCCP said,
Speaker 5: oh okay, look we'll withdraw that the Transport Police have
Speaker 5: done this in the knowledge that that is what happened
Speaker 5: in January. So I hope very much that Brits rally
Speaker 5: once again and make sure they kick up enough of
Speaker 5: a storm.
Speaker 2: To turn this over.
Speaker 5: Also, the question that absolutely boggles me every time something
Speaker 5: like this happens is who is making these decisions. It's
Speaker 5: always nameless, faceless bureaucrats.
Speaker 6: It's always this invisible higher up.
Speaker 5: So no one gets blamed, no one gets shamed, no
Speaker 5: one gets named when something inevitably goes wrong.
Speaker 6: Down the track.
Speaker 5: And isn't this a galling reminder? In the UK it's
Speaker 5: called the Gender Recognition Act, so that's what the Transport
Speaker 5: Police are referring to when they say, well, look, this
Speaker 5: is just in line with the current laws. This is
Speaker 5: a galling reminder that when each of our states pasts
Speaker 5: exactly the same legislation saying you can change your birth
Speaker 5: certificate to reflect whatever gender you think you are at
Speaker 5: the time, and everyone was told, were we all told, Oh,
Speaker 5: what harm is it going to be?
Speaker 6: It's just a piece of paper.
Speaker 5: This goes to show you that's what the police are
Speaker 5: relying on. They're saying, Look, if they've changed their birth
Speaker 5: certificate or they have one of those gender change recognition
Speaker 5: pieces of paper, that means they identify as a female,
Speaker 5: and they get to feel women up under the guise
Speaker 5: of a strip search, Whether women like it or not,
Speaker 5: it is utterly outrageous. How much time and effort, the legislation,
Speaker 5: the debates, the very fact that we're talking about it
Speaker 5: yet again this evening. How much time governments and media
Speaker 5: are spending on such a tiny minority the population. But
Speaker 5: when fifty percent of us know that our rights are
Speaker 5: being absolutely rail roaded by this tiny percentage, we've got
Speaker 5: no choice but to fight for basic reality.
Speaker 2: If I may briefly interrupt a serious discussion which I
Speaker 2: will come back to for small moment of levity, are
Speaker 2: we really taking advice on these sorts of things from
Speaker 2: someone who thinks that we're flying helicopters on Mars. Here
Speaker 2: is a police officer sky Morden. Again.
Speaker 7: You know we can fly helicopters on Mars. But the
Speaker 7: minute somebody says I'm trans, I just want to go
Speaker 7: and buy a pint of milk and be myself and
Speaker 7: not cause anybody any grief. The word literally seems to
Speaker 7: me to lose its MinC.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can find me the job application
Speaker 2: to go and fly helicopters on Mars, I'm all on
Speaker 2: board with it. But we had this discussion last week
Speaker 2: about to the first transgender person who's been elected to
Speaker 2: Congress in the US, and there was a real put
Speaker 2: forward to strict women's toilets for funnily enough biological women,
Speaker 2: and there was this great human cry about that, No,
Speaker 2: is it discrimination, et cetera. And the point I made
Speaker 2: last week was that you are well within your rights
Speaker 2: to be a transgender person. I couldn't give two hoots
Speaker 2: if you were transgender or not. But it is when
Speaker 2: you start saying I am transgender, therefore my rights trump
Speaker 2: everyone else's rights that we start to have a problem.
Speaker 2: And that's what this is talking about. There's no reason
Speaker 2: you can't be a transgender police officer, but perhaps there's
Speaker 2: certain duties that you just can't do as a transgender
Speaker 2: police officer. And if a woman is being stript searched
Speaker 2: or whatever the search might be by a transgender police officer.
Speaker 2: I mean, knowing how this stuff is treated, and the
Speaker 2: fact that according to the coppers, it's all good and
Speaker 2: well for someone who is a biological male to be
Speaker 2: searching a woman. Why would you, as a biological woman,
Speaker 2: actually want to put your hand up and say I'm
Speaker 2: not comfortable with this, because someone's going to jump down
Speaker 2: your throat and say that you're discriminating against them. Right.
Speaker 2: That's the problem here, is that you can't actually stand
Speaker 2: up again.
Speaker 5: Well, a lot of women because they are very conscientious,
Speaker 5: and most women will just forbear something that they are
Speaker 5: wildly uncomfortable with. I'm certainly not one of those, but
Speaker 5: the wallflower types, people like my mum, would just be utterly.
Speaker 6: Frozen and not know what on earth to do.
Speaker 5: In such a situation. And I would say go so
Speaker 5: far as to say that would be the majority of
Speaker 5: women just trying to be polite in the situation, not
Speaker 5: really sure, Like you say, Mac, no one wants to
Speaker 5: be that person being like, hang on a minute, are
Speaker 5: you transgender?
Speaker 6: It is considered wildly polite in.
Speaker 5: Today's society, and yet they're the ones this tiny minority
Speaker 5: that are allowed to make women feel like, my goodness,
Speaker 5: we have no rights left when you're allowed to strip searcher.
Speaker 4: How bad it is.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, the UK police actually said if
Speaker 3: you disagree with gender ideology, you.
Speaker 4: Should not be in the police s force.
Speaker 3: So could you imagine trying to challenge that. But the
Speaker 3: whole argument is dishonest. For instance, we heard the police
Speaker 3: officer say, why can't a transgender person just go to
Speaker 3: the shop and buy a pint of milk? Except're not
Speaker 3: talking about that. Weactly right, strip search people. So that's
Speaker 3: a false equivalency. And the other dishonest part, and this
Speaker 3: is the nub of the issue.
Speaker 4: Whilst everwes we're.
Speaker 3: Insisting that trans women are women, we're always going to
Speaker 3: have these problems. So you've got to come right back
Speaker 3: to the basic premise, can you or can you not
Speaker 3: change your gender? Answer that question and everything flows from that. Exactly,
Speaker 3: if you get that wrong, everything is wrong. If you
Speaker 3: get that right, then everything will be right. That's the
Speaker 3: question that has to be determined once and for all.
Speaker 5: And lastly, the question has to be asked, how many
Speaker 5: trans transport police do you have UK like or.
Speaker 6: Are your people are your higher ups in that system?
Speaker 6: Liter just picking apart the shreds.
Speaker 5: Of decency left in society because you can't tell me, oh,
Speaker 5: we've got hundreds of them and we're standing up for
Speaker 5: their rights and this is about equality. You've probably got
Speaker 5: a handful in total if that, And were they even consulted,
Speaker 5: because if they're decent human beings, they'd say, actually, I'm
Speaker 5: happy to pass on the strip searching women. I can
Speaker 5: understand that they would be wildly uncomfortable with that. You've
Speaker 5: got to ask yourself who is making these decisions.
Speaker 6: Nobody in their right mind would support this.
Speaker 5: Nobody on the street, even the most avid I'm for
Speaker 5: the trans movement supporter would be like, oh, hang on
Speaker 5: a minute, yeah, that's a bit, especially if we're talking
Speaker 5: about DV victims, women who have oh my goodness, I mean.
Speaker 2: Well virchasing bureaucrats is the answer to that. But who
Speaker 2: would have thought that in the mid twenty twenties, questions
Speaker 2: like what is a woman would be the things that
Speaker 2: really bring our politicians unstuck. Speaking of politicians and the
Speaker 2: UK years, Stamer's government is just going from strength to strength.
Speaker 2: That would seem they've been in power for about four
Speaker 2: and a half months now, after sweeping the Tories out
Speaker 2: of power. It was a landslide, it has to be said.
Speaker 2: But Britain's are having a little bit of buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2: They've set up a petition, an official petition on the
Speaker 2: UK Parliamentary website which now has just shy of two
Speaker 2: million signatures. Can you believe it, saying we want another
Speaker 2: general election please. We have had it with this kire
Speaker 2: two tier kre or a free gear kre as he
Speaker 2: was called at one point when it came at all
Speaker 2: these freebes he was taking. We've had enough of his government.
Speaker 2: If you look at the recent polling. Actually I mean,
Speaker 2: but you're in night. Four and a half months they
Speaker 2: have been in power, they're now three points behind the Tories,
Speaker 2: having four and a half months ago absolutely swept the country.
Speaker 2: Seventy percent of Britains now say they are worse off
Speaker 2: under the Starma government and no wonder. I mean the
Speaker 2: budget that this government handed down. They jacked up the
Speaker 2: national insurance contributions that employers have to make it similar
Speaker 2: to income tax. Of course, we told you the story
Speaker 2: last week about how they're going after farmers in the UK.
Speaker 2: Family farms will now have to be part of inheritance tax.
Speaker 2: It is no wonder that people in the UK would
Speaker 2: be saying, get us the hell out of here. And
Speaker 2: you can addenter that one of the other promises they made,
Speaker 2: which was we will close down Margrant hotels. Now you
Speaker 2: would know because we've talked about it here. Margaret's coming
Speaker 2: across the channel to come over on boats, much like
Speaker 2: we were dealing with here about a decade ago. They
Speaker 2: get into the UK and then they have to be
Speaker 2: put up somewhere and they have been put up in
Speaker 2: hotels to the tune of about four point two million
Speaker 2: pounds a day. And the Starmer government said we will
Speaker 2: shut these down, and I'm pleased to report that they have.
Speaker 2: They shut seven down last month, but they opened fourteen
Speaker 2: new ones up, so they're actually, yes, sleep shutting them down,
Speaker 2: but they're expanding the number of hotels. Is it any
Speaker 2: wonder that they're going now we want another election. This
Speaker 2: is going so badly for and a half month in.
Speaker 4: They want out.
Speaker 3: Keir Starmer's popularity rating was plus eleven points right after
Speaker 3: the election. It's now minus thirty eight, so he's dropped
Speaker 3: forty nine points in four months. Caleb mentioned byers remorse
Speaker 3: it was the lowest voter turnout in twenty years.
Speaker 4: There's an old adage, what is it?
Speaker 3: You might not be interested in politics, but politics is
Speaker 3: definitely interested in you. So if you don't turn out
Speaker 3: to vote, it's no good. Four months later saying, oh,
Speaker 3: we should have another election so I can make my
Speaker 3: voice her. But it reminded me Sunday just gone was
Speaker 3: seventeen years since Australia decided, you know what, we're a
Speaker 3: bit bored with John Howard, why don't we elect Kevin Rudd?
Speaker 4: I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 3: And I know, but there's so many parallels with a country,
Speaker 3: and I know the Tories were horrible, but people elected Kiirstarma,
Speaker 3: who is much like Stalin Liz, but without the personality.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is why someone took to the internet to
Speaker 5: put together this very interesting infographic for you all. They're saying, look,
Speaker 5: he ticks all the boxers, persecution of farmers, high taxes,
Speaker 5: state corruption, the list goes on and well it is
Speaker 5: gallingly similar. They're not kidding you on, but can I
Speaker 5: get up that map of where.
Speaker 6: These petition signees are coming from? Again, because this is
Speaker 6: really important.
Speaker 5: As Caleb said, we've currently got under two million, just
Speaker 5: under two million, and this thing, this petition has only
Speaker 5: been up for forty eight hours, so you can imagine
Speaker 5: how much bigger this petition.
Speaker 6: Is going to get.
Speaker 5: So if we can just get the map up here,
Speaker 5: which tells MPs who must be currently quaking in their
Speaker 5: boots where these petitions are coming from, I imagine there
Speaker 5: are a lot of nervous backbenches.
Speaker 6: This is the people's revolt in the UK. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 6: we are watching it in real.
Speaker 5: Time and if you are an MP sitting in the
Speaker 5: House of Lords, you are watching that map with great
Speaker 5: interests because your constituencies are telling you we want you
Speaker 5: the heck out. It's been four and a half months.
Speaker 5: We've already had enough. Call another general election. We have
Speaker 5: lost trust in this government. Do it again. We need
Speaker 5: a do over. And you know who would do really
Speaker 5: well if that actually happened is our mate Nigel Farage
Speaker 5: because his party's popularity Reform UK has gone from strength
Speaker 5: to strength. It is literally just skyrocketed in the last
Speaker 5: four months since the election, as people have realized the
Speaker 5: extent of the socialist tyrannical government that they.
Speaker 2: I said before that Labor is now three points behind
Speaker 2: the Tories. Reform UK is only six points behind Labor,
Speaker 2: so they're at about I think they're at seventeen percent,
Speaker 2: Labors at twenty three twenty four or something and the
Speaker 2: Tories are at like twenty six twenty seven. So Reform
Speaker 2: UK has actually come through as a very strong third
Speaker 2: player in the UK and I'd be very interested to
Speaker 2: see when they go to another general election, probably not
Speaker 2: one caused by this petition. It probably should be said
Speaker 2: what will happen whether you end up in a sort
Speaker 2: of coalition between Reform UK and the Tories or how
Speaker 2: it all works out. But they are just going through
Speaker 2: the roof because people have gone, hang on a minute,
Speaker 2: we wanted an alternative to the Tories, but we didn't
Speaker 2: get what we wanted.
Speaker 3: And you pointed out a very important point, and that
Speaker 3: is that despite the excitement about this petition, it actually
Speaker 3: has zero power. The UK is stuck with kiirs Arma
Speaker 3: for the next four and a half years, so then
Speaker 3: they'll get their election, but not before and so not
Speaker 3: because of a petition.
Speaker 5: No, it just means that it does bring on a
Speaker 5: debate in the House.
Speaker 6: That's all it means, because.
Speaker 5: That petition is on the government's own website where they
Speaker 5: make the pledge that any petition getting over one hundred
Speaker 5: thousand signatures will then.
Speaker 6: Go to a debate.
Speaker 5: Well, I can't wait to watch that one. I'm stucking
Speaker 5: up on popcorn. Back to Australia now, where we all
Speaker 5: know the Combating Misinformation Disinformation.
Speaker 6: Bill is now dead in the water and we can
Speaker 6: all breathe a collective sigh of relief.
Speaker 5: But as I always say, when we dodge these bullets,
Speaker 5: never forget that they tried.
Speaker 6: This is when government shows their hand.
Speaker 5: Okay, so the bill didn't get up, But you know
Speaker 5: what they want now, don't you they You know what
Speaker 5: kind of country we'd be living in with zero freedom
Speaker 5: of speech if they had their way.
Speaker 6: Now all eyes are on this.
Speaker 5: Oh, we're protecting kids and we're banning kids under sixteen
Speaker 5: and from certain sites on the Internet. Now, I have
Speaker 5: said from day one in this campaign, it's got nothing
Speaker 5: to do with protecting children because you've known that social.
Speaker 6: Media is really bad for kids forever.
Speaker 5: There are mountains of research and you've done nothing about it.
Speaker 5: But you pass your Digital ID Bill and about two
Speaker 5: weeks later, all of a sudden, you were wildly concerned
Speaker 5: with the welfare of children on social media and you
Speaker 5: had to mount legislation to do something about it.
Speaker 6: Coincidence, I think not.
Speaker 5: And who shares my opinion none other than Elon Musk,
Speaker 5: who very recently shared a tweet by our own Prime
Speaker 5: Minister which was growing, Oh we're introducing this bill today,
Speaker 5: Elon must rightly writes, seems like a backdoor way to
Speaker 5: control access to the Internet.
Speaker 6: By all Australians. Riddle me this.
Speaker 5: If this is about protecting children, why, as Senator Matt
Speaker 5: Canavan discovered today, why isn't porn hub the biggest pornography
Speaker 5: platform in the world. Why isn't it included on the
Speaker 5: list of websites that kids will not be able to access?
Speaker 8: Returning to Center Rood's question, what is porn hub category
Speaker 8: covered by it? What wouldn't it be It's just it's
Speaker 8: just explicit material. But it's yeah.
Speaker 9: It's covered, So is cover The first thing of sixty
Speaker 9: sixty three C. One A is that the platform sole
Speaker 9: or significant purposes to enable online social interaction.
Speaker 8: But if YouTube's covered and there's a video sharing for
Speaker 8: non explicit content, video content. What wouldn't pornhub be cover
Speaker 8: It's porn covered.
Speaker 4: I think they have very different purposes.
Speaker 5: If you are not protecting children from pornography, you're not
Speaker 5: protecting children at all. I once wrote a submission for
Speaker 5: a Minister for Child Protection to a certain committee that
Speaker 5: was doing an inquiry into the effects of pornography on
Speaker 5: a child's brain.
Speaker 6: And let me tell you, it messes them up.
Speaker 5: Properly, has the same effect as literal drugs.
Speaker 6: I kids you not. I can send you the paper.
Speaker 6: If you're curious, just email me.
Speaker 5: But here we are, just a week sittings week left,
Speaker 5: and everyone's wondering, Okay, how is this bill going to work?
Speaker 6: Well, here's Akma telling us.
Speaker 5: No, No, that whole digital ID thing that you're worried
Speaker 5: about that's got nothing to do with anything we think.
Speaker 10: I know you said it clarity, but I'll go so important.
Speaker 5: No, there'll be no link to the digital ID it's
Speaker 5: the voting off limits won't be there.
Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with the digital idea. But
Speaker 2: are what you want to allow platforms to use it?
Speaker 5: There's no requirement for platforms to use the digital ID system.
Speaker 8: We've got to pass the Lord, once I go through
Speaker 8: the SAT, that's it. Got I get to touch it again?
Speaker 8: Does not there anything in the law that says that
Speaker 8: that says the Saticus's nothing on this law that says that. Okay,
Speaker 8: thank you.
Speaker 6: How do you like the double speaker?
Speaker 5: Well, we're not requiring them to use digital ID. We're
Speaker 5: just threatening these platforms with massive fines and massive penalizations
Speaker 5: if they don't age verify everybody. So how else are
Speaker 5: they supposed to do it?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 5: And as Matt Canavan just found out for you, Thanks
Speaker 5: thanks again, Matt, brilliant work.
Speaker 6: Well, actually there's no other way to do it. How
Speaker 6: else are you going to do it?
Speaker 5: They're threatening punishment, But how else are these platforms.
Speaker 6: Supposed to do it?
Speaker 5: And there's no laws to stop the ES Sagetycommissioner from
Speaker 5: requiring it. I just can't believe we're this close to
Speaker 5: them ramming this through both houses and they still can't
Speaker 5: give a straight answer about the most simplest bits.
Speaker 2: And even if it is not digital ID, there are
Speaker 2: many other dangerous and worrying techniques that they could use
Speaker 2: to verify your age. Of course, one of them is
Speaker 2: facial recognition technology. Now we talked last week about the
Speaker 2: fact that a number of companies, companies Bunnings came out
Speaker 2: and the good guys had got in trouble for the
Speaker 2: fact that they used facial recognition in their shops and
Speaker 2: not told people about it. Bunnings was hauled over the
Speaker 2: calls by the Privacy Commissioner over this. And of course
Speaker 2: one of the great issues with facial recognition is that
Speaker 2: it has to collect your facial data. It's called biometric data,
Speaker 2: and that is extremely valuable because it tells you a
Speaker 2: lot of things. It's like having your fingerprint. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you wouldn't feel comfortable handing your fingerprint to Mark Zuckerberg,
Speaker 2: why would you feel comfortable handing your biometric data to
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg. This can be used all over the world
Speaker 2: to link you to all sorts of things. Matiman was
Speaker 2: just over in China. Wait until you find out what
Speaker 2: they doing over there at the moment in terms of
Speaker 2: facial recognition and other tracking. But again this question was put,
Speaker 2: could facial recognition be part of it? And the answer
Speaker 2: is yes.
Speaker 10: The trial will invite the participation of Australians, including young Australians,
Speaker 10: in order to test how a variety of technologies and
Speaker 10: methods work. Not all of these required documentations. Some of
Speaker 10: these would be facial age estimation or other biometrics. Some
Speaker 10: of these can rely on where and person's email is
Speaker 10: used elsewhere on the internet as and.
Speaker 2: Of course you know Facebook already recognizes faces per se
Speaker 2: to tag someone that sort of recognizes that they're already there.
Speaker 2: But this is assessing your face to work out what
Speaker 2: your age is. It has to look in very fine
Speaker 2: detail that your face. It then collects that What happens
Speaker 2: to that data after that eye as it's sitting on
Speaker 2: some American servits somewhere. Who knows what's going on with
Speaker 2: this whichever way you cut it. The data that they're
Speaker 2: potentially collecting is data that is valuable to someone else,
Speaker 2: but at a social media company or a hacker or
Speaker 2: whoever it might be, that I shouldn't have to hand
Speaker 2: over to use the Internet.
Speaker 4: And that's the great irony of this legislation.
Speaker 3: It's purported to be all about protecting people, and yet
Speaker 3: it's rife for abuse, as you just.
Speaker 4: Plainly pointed out.
Speaker 3: And it's always a bad law when the bureaucrats responsible
Speaker 3: for crafting the laws are confused about it themselves and
Speaker 3: can't answer basic questions. It should absolutely be thrown out.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the strange things about left leaning politicians around
Speaker 3: the world at the moment, and they all have these
Speaker 3: things in common. They're more committed to their own leisure
Speaker 3: time than they are leadership. Remember when there were massive
Speaker 3: pro there's a lot of violence in Ellis Springs, and
Speaker 3: Anthony Albanzi, I think, flew in for like a couple
Speaker 3: of hours.
Speaker 4: And then he spent three days at the tennis. Remember that.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing about politicians is they're all
Speaker 3: committed to gestures, but not really to anything of substance,
Speaker 3: and certainly not governance. It's happening all around the Western world,
Speaker 3: and it certainly happened in Canada over the weekend. A
Speaker 3: brilliant example of this hypocrisy by politicians where Prime Minister
Speaker 3: Justin tred to.
Speaker 4: Trudeau, thank you.
Speaker 3: You won't believe what he was doing while Montreal was
Speaker 3: literally on fire with anti israel protesters setting fire to cars,
Speaker 3: smashing windows, burning effigies of the Israeli Prime minister. Will
Speaker 3: show you the protests first, they I'll show you what
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Canada was doing. But this is
Speaker 3: Montreal Friday night, absolutely horrendous for Jewish Canadians. But while
Speaker 3: all of that is happening, here's the Prime minister. He's
Speaker 3: at the Tayler Swift concert. Aside from being a shocking, look,
Speaker 3: how do you think it would make Jewish Canadians feel
Speaker 3: when Montreal is absolutely got anarchy happening in.
Speaker 4: The streets directed at Jewish people.
Speaker 3: You've got people calling for the Final Solution to be
Speaker 3: used against Jews, and there's the Prime minister of the
Speaker 3: country at a Taylor Swift concert. At the very least,
Speaker 3: you get out of there as soon as you know
Speaker 3: what is happening and you provide some leadership. But we're
Speaker 3: seeing this all around the Western world. As I said,
Speaker 3: we're talking about Keir Starmer earlier, who's only been in
Speaker 3: office four months. He spent twenty six days out of
Speaker 3: the country on international trips, which is reminiscent of airbus
Speaker 3: elbow we used to pull our prime minister. This is
Speaker 3: a theme right around the Western world, these left leaning
Speaker 3: leaders who just seem very committed to, you know, appearances
Speaker 3: and not that interested in governing.
Speaker 2: Well, you might say for Trudeau, burn baby burn disco inferno,
Speaker 2: because that seemed to be what he was up to
Speaker 2: on the weekend, right, I mean, it's so crazy to
Speaker 2: think that as a leader, you wouldn't think that the
Speaker 2: first thing you should be doing. And he didn't come
Speaker 2: out and later issue a tweet the next day. That
Speaker 2: fixes very much. That fixes everything up when you know
Speaker 2: there is serious civil unrest in your country in Montreal,
Speaker 2: which as an MP he represents, his seat is in Montreal. Right,
Speaker 2: So here's four hundred kilometers down the road at a
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift concert, not in his own city, going out
Speaker 2: there to say, pull your heads in heads, this is
Speaker 2: not how we do things in a civil society. No, No,
Speaker 2: he'd much rather be a Taylor Swift concert dancing around.
Speaker 2: That's not leadership. Now, he knows that he's about to
Speaker 2: be turfed out when they go to an election. He's
Speaker 2: had his time, and to be quite frank, he doesn't
Speaker 2: give a toss what's going on in his country now
Speaker 2: because he said it all up and it's burning and
Speaker 2: who cares. Someone else is going to go in and
Speaker 2: fix it. But it's just the most basic optics, right.
Speaker 2: If they are are massive protests, riots, is what they were,
Speaker 2: you know, fire bombs, cars on fire, shop windows being
Speaker 2: smashed up, etc. You've got to be out there doing
Speaker 2: something about it. He doesn't think so, though.
Speaker 5: And even if you're not out there doing something about it,
Speaker 5: and you're just at home, say tweeting, the last thing
Speaker 5: you want to do is being seen at a constant
Speaker 5: rancing around with a few young chicks for crying out loud.
Speaker 5: Tell you the guy who probably will be PM come
Speaker 5: next year of Canada, we hope, is the leader of
Speaker 5: the opposition, Pierre Polivier. He tweeted this in response to
Speaker 5: Trudeau's tweets, saying, oh, this is unacceptable. Well, Pierre was
Speaker 5: said you at surprise.
Speaker 6: We are reaping what you sew.
Speaker 5: This is what happens when a prime minister spends nine
Speaker 5: years pushing toxic work, identity politics, dividing and subdividing people
Speaker 5: by race, gender, vaccine, status, religion, age, wealth, etc. On
Speaker 5: top of driving people apart, you systematically break what used
Speaker 5: to bring us together, saying Canada is a post national
Speaker 5: state with no core identity. He goes on to talk
Speaker 5: about the military, the economy.
Speaker 6: It's a very long.
Speaker 5: Tweet and it's a call to arms, and it ends
Speaker 5: with the simple line of call a general election because
Speaker 5: you are going out and we all certainly hope that
Speaker 5: is the case. In Canada, the polls reflect that it
Speaker 5: will be, so something else to smile about into the future.
Speaker 6: And here there's another one for you. Trump, now that
Speaker 6: he is once again president elect.
Speaker 5: He did this last time he was in office, he's
Speaker 5: doing it again, saying anyone who's transgender in the military,
Speaker 5: you're going home. And he's talking about fifteen thousand currently
Speaker 5: active members of the military. He's saying, we are simply
Speaker 5: not having this, not on my watch. They will be
Speaker 5: medically discharge, which would determine that they are unfit to serve.
Speaker 5: So America can celebrate because it means on January twentieth,
Speaker 5: they'll be saying goodbye to all of this crap.
Speaker 11: We must set our sites higher and focus on intentional
Speaker 11: inclusivity because there are still far too many people out there,
Speaker 11: not just LGBTQ individuals, that feel marginalized, shut out, or
Speaker 11: discriminated against. So for all of you out there, I
Speaker 11: ask you to set out your symbols of pride, share
Speaker 11: your pronounce in your email. Particularly if you're a person
Speaker 11: who doesn't think they need to.
Speaker 5: Now plenty of critics have come out and says, look,
Speaker 5: every single department of our military are failing in their
Speaker 5: recruitment targets, much.
Speaker 6: Like owls here in Australia.
Speaker 5: Why would you do this at such a time We
Speaker 5: need everyone. Trump's like, nope, we do not need people
Speaker 5: who purport to this ideology and have indeed very much
Speaker 5: overrun the military.
Speaker 6: Again, it sounds familiar, doesn't it Australia. Yes, sadly, yes,
Speaker 6: overrun the military.
Speaker 5: With a pile of ideological crap instead of as the
Speaker 5: new Secretary of Defense says peak heads there, he's just like, mate,
Speaker 5: unless you are a war making machine, we don't care.
Speaker 6: We don't care. You do not get to join the military.
Speaker 5: We are about one thing, and one thing alone, that
Speaker 5: is waging war if and when needed.
Speaker 6: If that is not your number one, then don't come well.
Speaker 3: As you said, the activists have claimed, if you remove
Speaker 3: fifteenths transgendered servicemen, you're going to leave the military short
Speaker 3: and recruiting numbers are bad. But has ever occurred to
Speaker 3: them The reason recruiting numbers might be bad is because
Speaker 3: they've allowed all this diversity, equity and inclusion stuff into
Speaker 3: the military. Typically, the military is attractive to young white conservatives.
Speaker 3: And if you look at recruiting numbers in the US military,
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, forty four thousand young white men joined
Speaker 3: the military, compared to twenty twenty three just twenty five
Speaker 3: thousand young men. And over the last five years, the
Speaker 3: number of white men joining up to serve their country
Speaker 3: has fallen every single year. This might be the thing
Speaker 3: that turns recruitment around, because, as you said, Liz, young
Speaker 3: men want to join the military to fight and to
Speaker 3: defend their country, not to be berated over what pronouns
Speaker 3: you use on your email. And as for the new
Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense, he's criticized the military for being weak, effeminate,
Speaker 3: and spending money on gender realignment rather than non fighting
Speaker 3: America's enemies. This is a good move by Trump, which well, actually,
Speaker 3: I think turn recruiting numbers around.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I mean, let's be serious here, I've got
Speaker 2: a bung foot in my left leg is about an
Speaker 2: inch shorter than my right leg. As far as I'm aware,
Speaker 2: that would exclude me from ever serving in the military,
Speaker 2: at least it used to. Maybe this so desperate these
Speaker 2: days that they wouldn't care. But generally that would preclude
Speaker 2: you from being able to sign up to the military.
Speaker 2: So if I've got that, which is a pretty minor
Speaker 2: physical disability, why would someone who has a diagnosable mental
Speaker 2: condition which is gender dysphoria and potentially has then gone
Speaker 2: through a medical surgery that then requires lifelong attention and
Speaker 2: medications and whatever to continue through that. Why would you
Speaker 2: then say that that is someone of the capability and
Speaker 2: strength that we want in the military. I think it's
Speaker 2: as simple as that, right. But turfing all transgender people
Speaker 2: out of the military, Let's be real, ain't going to
Speaker 2: really do anything unless you rebuild the whole thing, roots
Speaker 2: and branch, because it's not just transgender people, it's all
Speaker 2: the other bureaucrats and whatever that exist within the defense
Speaker 2: force system that allow this kind of ideology to flourish.
Speaker 2: You have to kick every single one of those people
Speaker 2: out unless you are in the military for the express
Speaker 2: purpose of defending your country and not I don't know,
Speaker 2: getting people to wear rainbow pins, which is what's gone
Speaker 2: on in the ADF here in Australia. Get out, get out,
Speaker 2: don't even wait to fire them, Donald Trump, that's his thing, right,
Speaker 2: You're fired that's what he needs to go and do
Speaker 2: in the military, make the military strong again. Now, the ABC,
Speaker 2: as we know, loves to crap all over our own country.
Speaker 2: What else would a national broadcast to do? Then tell
Speaker 2: us everything that we have wrong? And again it's that
Speaker 2: wore old chestnut Australia Day. Now. The suggestion this time
Speaker 2: is that the Australia Day honors, which of course are
Speaker 2: announced Australian of the Year, etc. Are an ounced on
Speaker 2: January the twenty fifth, the day before Australia Day, so
Speaker 2: then it can be celebrated on Australia Day itself. Well,
Speaker 2: that's not comfortable for some Aboriginal people because, being the
Speaker 2: racist nation that we are, Aboriginal people get nominated for
Speaker 2: many of these awards and they then feel like they
Speaker 2: can't accept them because they would then have to stand
Speaker 2: up the day before Australia Day to accept it. I mean, sorry,
Speaker 2: riddle me that we are such a terrible nation that
Speaker 2: we are recognizing Indigenous people on our national day and
Speaker 2: they can't accept it because that's bad. Apparently it's a
Speaker 2: period of mourning or something. This article from the ABC
Speaker 2: actually noted one bloke, Rodney Dillon. He is a Palowa
Speaker 2: elder who it says here has actually accepted a nomination
Speaker 2: for the awards twice. But he says that it's not
Speaker 2: uncommon for people to feel uncomfortable and that there are
Speaker 2: a lot of Aboriginals Australia around Australia who feel like
Speaker 2: that as well. Well, clearly he didn't feel uncomfortable enough
Speaker 2: to participate in the colonial system when he accepted those
Speaker 2: nominations on two occasions? Did he? But trust the ABC
Speaker 2: to be lecturing us like it's two months away Australia
Speaker 2: Day and they're already banging this drum.
Speaker 3: It's such a manufactured story, right, because when I read it,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, well, who are these indigenous leaders who are
Speaker 3: being nominated for awards and are really conflicted about accepting them?
Speaker 3: And they only found two who were nominated for Young
Speaker 3: Tasmanian of the Year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6: Tasmania doesn't count. We all know that.
Speaker 5: And all the other people the article were people Tasmanian who.
Speaker 3: Were nominated and gleefully accepted the nomination. Remember Keith Williams
Speaker 3: back in August, he's the chair of the ABC. Williams, sorry,
Speaker 3: Kim Williams. He said He said that he wanted the
Speaker 3: ABC to focus on hard news stories, not on these
Speaker 3: soft lifestyle stories. But this story featuring a couple of
Speaker 3: young Tasmanians of the Year nominees. This was the lead
Speaker 3: story on the website today on the ABC. Completely tell
Speaker 3: you about the ABC's prioritized over actual news that Australians
Speaker 3: need to understand, rather than this race baiting division that
Speaker 3: the abc'd love to indulge in.
Speaker 6: It's so not worth talking about.
Speaker 5: I just want to use my time once again to say, honestly, Tasmanians,
Speaker 5: I love you guys. I went through Tania two years
Speaker 5: ago for the first time ever and I was literally
Speaker 5: speechless at the beauty of the place. So yeah, that's
Speaker 5: that's how much I consider talking about the ABC.
Speaker 6: We're talking about the should we should we know? ABC?
Speaker 2: Well, Well yes, we're just the ABC's bagger off. But
Speaker 2: should we note before we go to a break, it's
Speaker 2: going to be very hot day in Sydney tomorrow, New
Speaker 2: South Wales all over the shop going to be quite warm.
Speaker 2: So what should you do when it gets hot? Not
Speaker 2: turn on your air conditioner? Yes, that is another whore
Speaker 2: old chestnut that has come back. The latest advice from
Speaker 2: the Energy Market Operator is that due to the fact
Speaker 2: we have three coal fired power stations out of use
Speaker 2: at the moment because of course all the money has
Speaker 2: been going into renewable energy, so the coal fired power
Speaker 2: stations haven't been kept up to standards, so they have
Speaker 2: to go offline so they can do the necessry work
Speaker 2: on them so that we can actually get some power
Speaker 2: out of them. They won't be available on one of
Speaker 2: the hottest days of the year so far, and so
Speaker 2: we may well have blackouts across New South Wales. I
Speaker 2: mean this happens without fail every summer now and now
Speaker 2: it's not even summer. It's in winter as well. Because
Speaker 2: there's a really cold day, don't turn on your heating.
Speaker 2: We're meant to be living in a first world country here,
Speaker 2: I mean, how do we tolerate this that if there
Speaker 2: is one hot day we can't turn our earcorns onto
Speaker 2: the desired temperature because we might run out of power. Well,
Speaker 2: we're running out of power because of this bloody green dream.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe we to be thirty three degrees
Speaker 3: in Sydney on Wednesday, and the Australian Energy Market Operator
Speaker 3: is asking industry could you please cease operations on Wednesday
Speaker 3: so we don't have statewide blackouts doubts country have we
Speaker 3: got where we're telling our manufacturers please don't make anything today.
Speaker 3: We need to conserve power. It's absolutely unbelievable. We're going
Speaker 3: to go to a break. When we come back, we'll
Speaker 3: look at what's making news tomorrow, including just how bad
Speaker 3: the economy is. The Australian's got a front page exclusive.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it in just a moment. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow and Caleb.
Speaker 3: The Australian does not have good news regarding the economy.
Speaker 2: It does not home drawn and courted, it says. The
Speaker 2: Albanezi government is presiding over the longest household recession, with
Speaker 2: GDP per capita going backwards for the past six quarters,
Speaker 2: in a trend that exceeds any period in the past
Speaker 2: fifty years, and economists worn is likely to continue as
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi seeks to steer the political gender back to
Speaker 2: cost of living this week before Parliament rases for the
Speaker 2: long summer break. Official statistics show the household recession, which
Speaker 2: began in the March quarter of twenty twenty three is
Speaker 2: a risk of becoming entrenched. Now, you may remember some
Speaker 2: ads that the Coalition ran during the last election it
Speaker 2: won't be easy under alban easy, and it had that
Speaker 2: awful song there's a hole in your bucket, dear labor,
Speaker 2: dear labor. Well there's not a hole in labour's bucket,
Speaker 2: it should be said, because they've been turning around surpluses.
Speaker 2: There's a hole in your bucket as a result of labor.
Speaker 2: But don't fear two hundred and seventy five dollars off
Speaker 2: your power what's that one? We gave you three hundred
Speaker 2: dollars off your power bill with the rebate. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is just living proof, it absolute proof of exactly
Speaker 2: what this government has done to the economy. They have
Speaker 2: trashed it. They cannot go to an election and argue, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, so we pulled inflation back. It's all looking
Speaker 2: good now. Okay, sure you reduced inflation a little bit,
Speaker 2: but I have less money in my pocket than I
Speaker 2: did three years ago. And that's what I'm going to
Speaker 2: vote on the basis of.
Speaker 3: I love the statement they're going to come back to,
Speaker 3: you know, focusing on the cost of living.
Speaker 4: They spent a year focusing on the voice. All of
Speaker 4: a sudden, I.
Speaker 3: Realize we'd better do something about the cost of living.
Speaker 3: This is front of mind, this is our major focus.
Speaker 3: Then they got distracted by the Misinformation Bill. Now there's
Speaker 3: that social media thing. Oh we've got an election coming up.
Speaker 3: We better get back to cost of living. My favorite
Speaker 3: part of this article, and this is why the government
Speaker 3: have got so much trouble, it says Jim charm Was
Speaker 3: on Monday defended the government's record on economic management, but
Speaker 3: acknowledged his The acknowledgment household experience was not necessarily reflected
Speaker 3: in the economic and inflation numbers. That is absolutely right.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what they say about the numbers. Everybody
Speaker 3: goes to Coal's and when they start scanning their groceries
Speaker 3: because the coal staff won't do it for you, you all
Speaker 3: of a sudden get a shock at just how bad
Speaker 3: things are. So the government can say whatever they like.
Speaker 3: We're the ones who are going to the store. We
Speaker 3: know you've got to basically sell a kidney to afford
Speaker 3: the week's groceries.
Speaker 6: Yeah, bring on the next selection.
Speaker 2: And that's precisely why they keep importing all these margrants
Speaker 2: despite telling us that they want to reduce the number
Speaker 2: of margrants because officially there is no recession. They know
Speaker 2: that it'd be really bad for business, but just quietly.
Speaker 4: There is actually.
Speaker 2: One another story on the front of the Elves tomorrow.
Speaker 2: University leaders to take a haircut. Unbelievable million dollar salaries
Speaker 2: for vice chancellors are set to end with a new
Speaker 2: university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top
Speaker 2: public servants. Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the
Speaker 2: first National Expert Governance Council within days to set independent
Speaker 2: rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also
Speaker 2: crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
Speaker 2: And was it a and U last week that we
Speaker 2: talked about where the vice chancellor had asked all of
Speaker 2: the start if they would be willing to take a
Speaker 2: pay cut so that they could get their budget back
Speaker 2: in order. Well, here is mister Chalmers to say, actually, no,
Speaker 2: the one is going to take the pay cut. Thanks,
Speaker 2: mister clear don't give mister Charmers any credit for any
Speaker 2: of this. But actually I don't think that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 2: Normally I'm not on board with government interference. But it
Speaker 2: should be noted the government gives a lot of money
Speaker 2: to universities. Were a lot of.
Speaker 5: Money quiet diversities, and what do we get for it?
Speaker 5: The friends international students over Aussie's every single flip in time.
Speaker 5: Why because the internationals pay a lot more, and they
Speaker 5: pay up front.
Speaker 6: They're not interested in us. We just fund them through
Speaker 6: the nose, and then.
Speaker 5: When our kids want to go to UNI, they get
Speaker 5: turfed out the door in favor of the international students.
Speaker 5: To the front page of the Newcastle Herald. Now from
Speaker 5: port to court protesters out on bail tell Us More, a.
Speaker 6: Woman with sixteen previous charges.
Speaker 5: Related to protest activity and a man with similar convictions
Speaker 5: in multiple states have been released on bail after being
Speaker 5: arrested during a blockade of the new Castle Harbor. Every
Speaker 5: time I read one of these, I'm reminded, oh, just
Speaker 5: as well, we've got those new butte really cracking down
Speaker 5: hard on these protests, the laws here.
Speaker 6: In New South Wales.
Speaker 5: And then you read something like this, realize these are
Speaker 5: absolute repeat offenders and they just get to do it
Speaker 5: again and again and again.
Speaker 6: So is this going to be the time that we
Speaker 6: see these.
Speaker 5: De butte rarely cracking down hard on these young protesters.
Speaker 6: Is it actually going to happen this time?
Speaker 2: Well, it you ought to because they keep getting away
Speaker 2: with it, which just says to everyone else, will go
Speaker 2: for your life. And if we bring up the front
Speaker 2: page again there just look at the average age of
Speaker 2: the people in that photograph who were at the protest.
Speaker 2: Since they've got nothing else to do, they're retired, they're
Speaker 2: sitting at a Oh, just go and join a protest.
Speaker 2: What happened to knitting once upon a time you took
Speaker 2: up knitting? Now they all gone bloody protest.
Speaker 3: The focus of this article the woman who's got previous
Speaker 3: charges and has been released on bail. The court was
Speaker 3: told she was already on bail related to an alleged
Speaker 3: unauthorized protest on a railway. She was subject to two
Speaker 3: community based court orders and had sixteen charges relating to
Speaker 3: unauthorized protest activity.
Speaker 4: The police prosecutor.
Speaker 3: Said she has a propensity not to comply with court orders.
Speaker 3: Is a bit of an understatement, and the magistrate said,
Speaker 3: I share your concerns and granted the lady bail. Absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 3: We're to go to a break when we come back.
Speaker 3: A Florida police officer who capturees a car thief and
Speaker 3: then taunts him on social media. Not quite sure if
Speaker 3: it's appropriate or not, but certainly taught the young man
Speaker 3: lesson will show you in just a moment. So I'm
Speaker 3: trying to work out if Joe Biden's staff were just
Speaker 3: unintentionally funny or if they really do hate Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: and were brilliantly trolling her.
Speaker 4: Have a look at this tweet for the official White
Speaker 4: House account.
Speaker 3: There's a photograph of Kamala Harris waving goodbye as she
Speaker 3: gets on a plane, and the caption reads building a
Speaker 3: brighter future for every American as she flies off.
Speaker 4: Into the sunset.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether this was intentional or not this
Speaker 3: but I reckon maybe Jill Biden was the one who
Speaker 3: tweeted that.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised. Check this out.
Speaker 5: One reporter in the White House has had the temerity
Speaker 5: to ask, where the heck is Kamala?
Speaker 6: We have not seen her since the election.
Speaker 5: Check out what the Press secretary had to say to Hawaii.
Speaker 10: While Dancy staffers are just wondering what they're going to be.
Speaker 12: Vice president has taken time off to go spend time
Speaker 12: with her family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 12: She has worked very hard over at the last four years,
Speaker 12: and her taking a couple of days to be with
Speaker 12: her family good for her.
Speaker 5: How could you possibly question that she's just taking some
Speaker 5: time with her to Florida Now where check this out.
Speaker 5: These sheriffs literally catch kids stealing cars and then post
Speaker 5: about it on their socials.
Speaker 6: With the kid in the video.
Speaker 5: In this case sat down leaning against the car that
Speaker 5: he stole and got caught in while the sheriff just
Speaker 5: tells you all about it.
Speaker 2: His catch of the.
Speaker 7: Day, y'all say.
Speaker 13: Lucy County sheriff keeps hears the juvenile companion thought they
Speaker 13: were going to come through Saint Lucy County with the
Speaker 13: stolen vehicle with a Broward Task Force on their tail.
Speaker 13: Scat packs up them down and wants to shout out
Speaker 13: to the Broward County Sheriff's office. I'll see all the
Speaker 13: county Sheriff's office, even.
Speaker 6: The backing music. It's so good.
Speaker 5: Compare the pair with our Queensland cops who are like, look,
Speaker 5: even though we've got record breaking amount of kids stealing
Speaker 5: a record breaking amount of cars.
Speaker 6: We're not even allowed to chase them.
Speaker 5: These guys are like, here's the car that they.
Speaker 6: Stole, here's them down on the ground. We got him,
Speaker 6: Here's the car that I caught him in.
Speaker 3: I love, I sympathize, but I'm not sure it's appropriate.
Speaker 3: I mean, this kid hasn't yet gone to court. Isn't
Speaker 3: he innocent until proven guilty? I know, I know, but seriously,
Speaker 3: isn't the principle still one that should apply out from
Speaker 3: behind this?
Speaker 2: There is? I know, but you've still got to be
Speaker 2: there's a halfway there's a halfway house here then, I
Speaker 2: mean in that video, of course the kid was blurred
Speaker 2: out right, but there's a halfway house. You can familiate.
Speaker 2: You can humiliate, Yeah, but you can humiliate the kid
Speaker 2: just put a mask on him or something like, don't it.
Speaker 2: There must be a way to do it. I get
Speaker 2: what you're saying, because and of course in Australia we
Speaker 2: can't identify youth offenders, so there's all sorts of different
Speaker 2: rules about it. But maybe it should be part of
Speaker 2: the bit that if you are convicted of the crime,
Speaker 2: that they then go and film the video and then
Speaker 2: the minute you turn eighteen and it can become part
Speaker 2: of the public record you put it out there. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but what we do know is that what
Speaker 2: we're doing at the moment does not work in this
Speaker 2: country and any alternative option we should be looking at
Speaker 2: rather than the one we talked about last week, which
Speaker 2: was they're going to treat stealing cars as an addiction.
Speaker 2: Come on, the.
Speaker 6: Americans, name and shame. It's called personal responsibility.
Speaker 3: We got to go, but stick around. Coming up in
Speaker 3: just a moment is the reader Penehy Show.
Speaker 4: Good Night,