WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 25 November 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:00.600 Lately. 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:05.160 General, welcome the late base. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.799 Well, thanks for joining us for a brand new week. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.920 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staer and Caleb Bond. We've 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.120 got a lot to get through tonight, including Florida police 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.880 who catch a car thief and then taunt him online. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.599 Appropriate or inappropriate. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.240 We'll show you the video and you can decide. Plus, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.880 when we look at what's making news tomorrow, The Australian 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.200 has got a front page exclusive detailing just how bad 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.720 the economy is under Jim Chalmers spoiler alert. It's worse 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.320 than you could possibly imagine. And you know those protests 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.920 in Newcastle yesterday with the climate change protesters. One of 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.280 the people arrested was released on bail despite the fact 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.600 she had sixteen previous charges for similar offenses. All of 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.240 that when we look at the papers. You know, I 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.560 always thought it was the job of police to protect 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:01.920 the public, but a UK police policy ours transgendered officers 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:07.320 to strip search women risks, turning police from protectors into predators. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.600 The British Transport Police policy means that male officers who 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.000 identify as female can require a woman to strip naked 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.880 and then submit to a search. Now critics are calling 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.800 it state sanctioned sexual abuse, and it's pretty easy to 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.080 understand why. But when all of this came to public attention, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:33.560 unbelievably the police have defended the policy saying it's in 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.760 line with equality laws. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.520 Can you believe it? That just goes to demonstrate how. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.440 Badly abused the word equality is these days. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:43.959 In addition, police. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.320 Said, well, a woman always has the right to object 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.400 if she feels uncomfortable, which puts the onus on the 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.480 woman to protect herself from the police. And that's if 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.800 she realizes in time that she's being strip searched by 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.640 a biological male. In a addition, if she's got the 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:06.120 courage to challenge a police officer who's arresting her when 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:11.440 she's in a very vulnerable position. The other thing that 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.840 occurs to me, Lizen Caleb, is that if you question 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.160 the sex of a police officer who's arresting you in 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.320 the UK the way things are, you're likely to be 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.000 charged with a hate crime to go along with your 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.560 strip search. This risks the safety of women, It brings 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.720 the reputation of the police force into disrepute, and as 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.400 I said, instead of seeing police as protectors, it invites 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.120 the public to imagine police officers as predators. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.600 It almost feels like the whole world has lost its mind. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.840 Police officer Sky Marden, who identifies as a woman, also 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.840 thinks that the world has lost its mind, except we 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.000 both can't be right. I'll let you watch and you 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:52.440 can work out who's right. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.120 We are capable of so many amazing things. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:57.519 But yet. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.720 Twenty twenty three we can fly helicopters Thune lass. But 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:09.160 yet the minutes somebody says, Hi, I'm trans I'm not binary, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:10.920 I'm just different. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.359 The world it loses its. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.640 Mind, lose. It's hard to disagree. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.360 The world has certainly lost its mind, just not quite 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.040 in the way Officer Marden might imagine. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.440 May if that guy tried to strip search me, one 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.360 of us would be leaving that encounter with no teeth 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.360 and a permanent limp, and it would not be me. Honestly, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.240 I know we are the weakest ex ladies, but it's 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.680 amazing what adrenaline can do. The fact that the Transport 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.440 Police have tried this on when the National Police the 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.880 NCCP tried this on in January and were forced to 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.680 withdraw it because the Tory government at the time a 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.920 bit different now that we're four and a half months 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:59.960 into a chair Starmer government, the Tory government at the time, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.240 I'm kicked up such a fuss that the NCCP said, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:09.800 oh okay, look we'll withdraw that the Transport Police have 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.360 done this in the knowledge that that is what happened 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.360 in January. So I hope very much that Brits rally 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.359 once again and make sure they kick up enough of 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.360 a storm. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:22.799 To turn this over. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:28.760 Also, the question that absolutely boggles me every time something 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:34.640 like this happens is who is making these decisions. It's 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.640 always nameless, faceless bureaucrats. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.840 It's always this invisible higher up. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.640 So no one gets blamed, no one gets shamed, no 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:49.520 one gets named when something inevitably goes wrong. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:50.880 Down the track. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.160 And isn't this a galling reminder? In the UK it's 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.520 called the Gender Recognition Act, so that's what the Transport 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.839 Police are referring to when they say, well, look, this 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.000 is just in line with the current laws. This is 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:09.400 a galling reminder that when each of our states pasts 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.560 exactly the same legislation saying you can change your birth 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.520 certificate to reflect whatever gender you think you are at 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.920 the time, and everyone was told, were we all told, Oh, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.800 what harm is it going to be? 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.279 It's just a piece of paper. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.440 This goes to show you that's what the police are 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.320 relying on. They're saying, Look, if they've changed their birth 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.920 certificate or they have one of those gender change recognition 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.160 pieces of paper, that means they identify as a female, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.839 and they get to feel women up under the guise 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.279 of a strip search, Whether women like it or not, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:48.600 it is utterly outrageous. How much time and effort, the legislation, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.560 the debates, the very fact that we're talking about it 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:56.720 yet again this evening. How much time governments and media 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.159 are spending on such a tiny minority the population. But 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.400 when fifty percent of us know that our rights are 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:10.560 being absolutely rail roaded by this tiny percentage, we've got 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.680 no choice but to fight for basic reality. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.960 If I may briefly interrupt a serious discussion which I 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.040 will come back to for small moment of levity, are 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.599 we really taking advice on these sorts of things from 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:28.159 someone who thinks that we're flying helicopters on Mars. Here 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.560 is a police officer sky Morden. Again. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.400 You know we can fly helicopters on Mars. But the 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.120 minute somebody says I'm trans, I just want to go 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:41.920 and buy a pint of milk and be myself and 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.680 not cause anybody any grief. The word literally seems to 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.000 me to lose its MinC. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.039 I mean, if you can find me the job application 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.080 to go and fly helicopters on Mars, I'm all on 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.720 board with it. But we had this discussion last week 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.359 about to the first transgender person who's been elected to 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.160 Congress in the US, and there was a real put 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.520 forward to strict women's toilets for funnily enough biological women, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.960 and there was this great human cry about that, No, 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.480 is it discrimination, et cetera. And the point I made 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.600 last week was that you are well within your rights 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.880 to be a transgender person. I couldn't give two hoots 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.840 if you were transgender or not. But it is when 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.480 you start saying I am transgender, therefore my rights trump 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.800 everyone else's rights that we start to have a problem. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.200 And that's what this is talking about. There's no reason 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:33.200 you can't be a transgender police officer, but perhaps there's 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.760 certain duties that you just can't do as a transgender 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.000 police officer. And if a woman is being stript searched 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.360 or whatever the search might be by a transgender police officer. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.440 I mean, knowing how this stuff is treated, and the 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.400 fact that according to the coppers, it's all good and 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.160 well for someone who is a biological male to be 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.360 searching a woman. Why would you, as a biological woman, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.560 actually want to put your hand up and say I'm 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.040 not comfortable with this, because someone's going to jump down 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.440 your throat and say that you're discriminating against them. Right. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.400 That's the problem here, is that you can't actually stand 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:07.800 up again. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.240 Well, a lot of women because they are very conscientious, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.920 and most women will just forbear something that they are 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:19.360 wildly uncomfortable with. I'm certainly not one of those, but 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:24.400 the wallflower types, people like my mum, would just be utterly. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.400 Frozen and not know what on earth to do. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.560 In such a situation. And I would say go so 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.680 far as to say that would be the majority of 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.240 women just trying to be polite in the situation, not 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.160 really sure, Like you say, Mac, no one wants to 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.640 be that person being like, hang on a minute, are 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.760 you transgender? 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.520 It is considered wildly polite in. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.640 Today's society, and yet they're the ones this tiny minority 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.200 that are allowed to make women feel like, my goodness, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.800 we have no rights left when you're allowed to strip searcher. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.439 How bad it is. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.400 In twenty twenty two, the UK police actually said if 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.559 you disagree with gender ideology, you. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.120 Should not be in the police s force. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.760 So could you imagine trying to challenge that. But the 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.720 whole argument is dishonest. For instance, we heard the police 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.559 officer say, why can't a transgender person just go to 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.760 the shop and buy a pint of milk? Except're not 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.720 talking about that. Weactly right, strip search people. So that's 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.320 a false equivalency. And the other dishonest part, and this 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:25.760 is the nub of the issue. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:27.520 Whilst everwes we're. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.880 Insisting that trans women are women, we're always going to 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.880 have these problems. So you've got to come right back 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.960 to the basic premise, can you or can you not 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:41.160 change your gender? Answer that question and everything flows from that. Exactly, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.320 if you get that wrong, everything is wrong. If you 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.160 get that right, then everything will be right. That's the 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.640 question that has to be determined once and for all. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.800 And lastly, the question has to be asked, how many 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.360 trans transport police do you have UK like or. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.480 Are your people are your higher ups in that system? 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.440 Liter just picking apart the shreds. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:08.040 Of decency left in society because you can't tell me, oh, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.080 we've got hundreds of them and we're standing up for 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.200 their rights and this is about equality. You've probably got 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.760 a handful in total if that, And were they even consulted, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.800 because if they're decent human beings, they'd say, actually, I'm 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.960 happy to pass on the strip searching women. I can 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.480 understand that they would be wildly uncomfortable with that. You've 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.800 got to ask yourself who is making these decisions. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.120 Nobody in their right mind would support this. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.160 Nobody on the street, even the most avid I'm for 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.240 the trans movement supporter would be like, oh, hang on 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.560 a minute, yeah, that's a bit, especially if we're talking 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.360 about DV victims, women who have oh my goodness, I mean. 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.280 Well virchasing bureaucrats is the answer to that. But who 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.760 would have thought that in the mid twenty twenties, questions 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.600 like what is a woman would be the things that 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.080 really bring our politicians unstuck. Speaking of politicians and the 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.880 UK years, Stamer's government is just going from strength to strength. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.520 That would seem they've been in power for about four 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.440 and a half months now, after sweeping the Tories out 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.360 of power. It was a landslide, it has to be said. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.360 But Britain's are having a little bit of buyer's remorse. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.280 They've set up a petition, an official petition on the 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:23.000 UK Parliamentary website which now has just shy of two 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.600 million signatures. Can you believe it, saying we want another 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:32.559 general election please. We have had it with this kire 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.000 two tier kre or a free gear kre as he 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.320 was called at one point when it came at all 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.000 these freebes he was taking. We've had enough of his government. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.480 If you look at the recent polling. Actually I mean, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.880 but you're in night. Four and a half months they 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.960 have been in power, they're now three points behind the Tories, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.360 having four and a half months ago absolutely swept the country. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.120 Seventy percent of Britains now say they are worse off 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.880 under the Starma government and no wonder. I mean the 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.959 budget that this government handed down. They jacked up the 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.560 national insurance contributions that employers have to make it similar 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.200 to income tax. Of course, we told you the story 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.760 last week about how they're going after farmers in the UK. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.040 Family farms will now have to be part of inheritance tax. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.720 It is no wonder that people in the UK would 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.400 be saying, get us the hell out of here. And 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.560 you can addenter that one of the other promises they made, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.120 which was we will close down Margrant hotels. Now you 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.720 would know because we've talked about it here. Margaret's coming 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.840 across the channel to come over on boats, much like 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.120 we were dealing with here about a decade ago. They 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.320 get into the UK and then they have to be 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.680 put up somewhere and they have been put up in 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.120 hotels to the tune of about four point two million 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.160 pounds a day. And the Starmer government said we will 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.320 shut these down, and I'm pleased to report that they have. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.240 They shut seven down last month, but they opened fourteen 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.280 new ones up, so they're actually, yes, sleep shutting them down, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.480 but they're expanding the number of hotels. Is it any 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.200 wonder that they're going now we want another election. This 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.440 is going so badly for and a half month in. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:10.040 They want out. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.760 Keir Starmer's popularity rating was plus eleven points right after 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.880 the election. It's now minus thirty eight, so he's dropped 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:22.439 forty nine points in four months. Caleb mentioned byers remorse 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.960 it was the lowest voter turnout in twenty years. 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:27.240 There's an old adage, what is it? 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.440 You might not be interested in politics, but politics is 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.720 definitely interested in you. So if you don't turn out 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.160 to vote, it's no good. Four months later saying, oh, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.720 we should have another election so I can make my 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.880 voice her. But it reminded me Sunday just gone was 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.319 seventeen years since Australia decided, you know what, we're a 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.400 bit bored with John Howard, why don't we elect Kevin Rudd? 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.559 I mean, what could possibly go wrong? 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:56.319 And I know, but there's so many parallels with a country, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:01.640 and I know the Tories were horrible, but people elected Kiirstarma, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.800 who is much like Stalin Liz, but without the personality. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.600 Yeah, which is why someone took to the internet to 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:12.200 put together this very interesting infographic for you all. They're saying, look, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:18.120 he ticks all the boxers, persecution of farmers, high taxes, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:23.520 state corruption, the list goes on and well it is 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.600 gallingly similar. They're not kidding you on, but can I 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.000 get up that map of where. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.440 These petition signees are coming from? Again, because this is 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:35.680 really important. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.960 As Caleb said, we've currently got under two million, just 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.840 under two million, and this thing, this petition has only 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.920 been up for forty eight hours, so you can imagine 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.080 how much bigger this petition. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.600 Is going to get. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.400 So if we can just get the map up here, 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.800 which tells MPs who must be currently quaking in their 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:03.160 boots where these petitions are coming from, I imagine there 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.800 are a lot of nervous backbenches. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.080 This is the people's revolt in the UK. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.320 we are watching it in real. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.920 Time and if you are an MP sitting in the 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.680 House of Lords, you are watching that map with great 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.880 interests because your constituencies are telling you we want you 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.200 the heck out. It's been four and a half months. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.240 We've already had enough. Call another general election. We have 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.360 lost trust in this government. Do it again. We need 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 a do over. And you know who would do really 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:42.280 well if that actually happened is our mate Nigel Farage 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:48.520 because his party's popularity Reform UK has gone from strength 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:53.240 to strength. It is literally just skyrocketed in the last 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.920 four months since the election, as people have realized the 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.520 extent of the socialist tyrannical government that they. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.520 I said before that Labor is now three points behind 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.680 the Tories. Reform UK is only six points behind Labor, 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.720 so they're at about I think they're at seventeen percent, 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.800 Labors at twenty three twenty four or something and the 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.680 Tories are at like twenty six twenty seven. So Reform 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.600 UK has actually come through as a very strong third 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.920 player in the UK and I'd be very interested to 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.680 see when they go to another general election, probably not 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.480 one caused by this petition. It probably should be said 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.160 what will happen whether you end up in a sort 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.160 of coalition between Reform UK and the Tories or how 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.280 it all works out. But they are just going through 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.160 the roof because people have gone, hang on a minute, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.360 we wanted an alternative to the Tories, but we didn't 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.480 get what we wanted. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.040 And you pointed out a very important point, and that 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.560 is that despite the excitement about this petition, it actually 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.320 has zero power. The UK is stuck with kiirs Arma 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.800 for the next four and a half years, so then 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.560 they'll get their election, but not before and so not 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:01.480 because of a petition. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.479 No, it just means that it does bring on a 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.480 debate in the House. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.360 That's all it means, because. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.320 That petition is on the government's own website where they 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.479 make the pledge that any petition getting over one hundred 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.600 thousand signatures will then. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:16.440 Go to a debate. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.479 Well, I can't wait to watch that one. I'm stucking 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.040 up on popcorn. Back to Australia now, where we all 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.760 know the Combating Misinformation Disinformation. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.879 Bill is now dead in the water and we can 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.040 all breathe a collective sigh of relief. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.560 But as I always say, when we dodge these bullets, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.320 never forget that they tried. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.320 This is when government shows their hand. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.760 Okay, so the bill didn't get up, But you know 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.720 what they want now, don't you they You know what 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.960 kind of country we'd be living in with zero freedom 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.480 of speech if they had their way. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.120 Now all eyes are on this. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.840 Oh, we're protecting kids and we're banning kids under sixteen 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:04.720 and from certain sites on the Internet. Now, I have 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.200 said from day one in this campaign, it's got nothing 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.920 to do with protecting children because you've known that social. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.480 Media is really bad for kids forever. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.040 There are mountains of research and you've done nothing about it. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.280 But you pass your Digital ID Bill and about two 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:28.320 weeks later, all of a sudden, you were wildly concerned 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.119 with the welfare of children on social media and you 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.199 had to mount legislation to do something about it. 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.040 Coincidence, I think not. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.880 And who shares my opinion none other than Elon Musk, 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.879 who very recently shared a tweet by our own Prime 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.000 Minister which was growing, Oh we're introducing this bill today, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.159 Elon must rightly writes, seems like a backdoor way to 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.400 control access to the Internet. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.320 By all Australians. Riddle me this. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:04.200 If this is about protecting children, why, as Senator Matt 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:10.919 Canavan discovered today, why isn't porn hub the biggest pornography 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.520 platform in the world. Why isn't it included on the 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.040 list of websites that kids will not be able to access? 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.040 Returning to Center Rood's question, what is porn hub category 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.520 covered by it? What wouldn't it be It's just it's 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.320 just explicit material. But it's yeah. 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.560 It's covered, So is cover The first thing of sixty 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.680 sixty three C. One A is that the platform sole 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.480 or significant purposes to enable online social interaction. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.280 But if YouTube's covered and there's a video sharing for 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:49.440 non explicit content, video content. What wouldn't pornhub be cover 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:50.280 It's porn covered. 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:51.960 I think they have very different purposes. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.119 If you are not protecting children from pornography, you're not 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.960 protecting children at all. I once wrote a submission for 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.480 a Minister for Child Protection to a certain committee that 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.720 was doing an inquiry into the effects of pornography on 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.119 a child's brain. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.320 And let me tell you, it messes them up. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:19.080 Properly, has the same effect as literal drugs. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.320 I kids you not. I can send you the paper. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:22.800 If you're curious, just email me. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.280 But here we are, just a week sittings week left, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.920 and everyone's wondering, Okay, how is this bill going to work? 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:32.679 Well, here's Akma telling us. 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.160 No, No, that whole digital ID thing that you're worried 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.159 about that's got nothing to do with anything we think. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.360 I know you said it clarity, but I'll go so important. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.720 No, there'll be no link to the digital ID it's 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.960 the voting off limits won't be there. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.399 This has nothing to do with the digital idea. But 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.080 are what you want to allow platforms to use it? 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:59.520 There's no requirement for platforms to use the digital ID system. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.640 We've got to pass the Lord, once I go through 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.520 the SAT, that's it. Got I get to touch it again? 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.960 Does not there anything in the law that says that 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.639 that says the Saticus's nothing on this law that says that. Okay, 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:09.080 thank you. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:11.760 How do you like the double speaker? 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.440 Well, we're not requiring them to use digital ID. We're 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.600 just threatening these platforms with massive fines and massive penalizations 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:25.159 if they don't age verify everybody. So how else are 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:26.920 they supposed to do it? 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:27.200 Then? 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.680 And as Matt Canavan just found out for you, Thanks 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.320 thanks again, Matt, brilliant work. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.760 Well, actually there's no other way to do it. How 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.000 else are you going to do it? 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:45.000 They're threatening punishment, But how else are these platforms. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:45.159 Supposed to do it? 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.600 And there's no laws to stop the ES Sagetycommissioner from 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.399 requiring it. I just can't believe we're this close to 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:56.560 them ramming this through both houses and they still can't 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.720 give a straight answer about the most simplest bits. 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.680 And even if it is not digital ID, there are 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:07.040 many other dangerous and worrying techniques that they could use 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.359