WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 14 April 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:08.440 Welcome Wait Bay, Well, good evening. It's great to have 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.800 your company on the late debate. I'm James Macpherson with 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.400 Caleb Bond and filling in for Liz Storer rocking the 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:14.080 Fara Force. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.000 That look is Denika de Georgio. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.720 You are Charlie's angels tonight. The of us are Charlie's angel. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.759 I thought we had a different bond girl, for sure 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:24.080 you could. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:25.959 Apparently not. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.240 I have to say, before we came on here, Denika 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.080 was posing like she was one of Charlie's. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:35.559 Tell everybody, you've got a little here we there we go. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.120 Very good? Is all right? We've got a lot to 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:38.960 get into tonight. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.320 The coalition trailing in the polls have come up with 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.879 a rap song attacking Anthony Albanesi. Could that be the 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.000 thing that changes the direction of this election. We'll let 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.520 you decide when we play it a little later. Plus, 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.240 when we look at the papers, the ABC in hot 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.360 water for apparently insulting the Australian War Memorial and a 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.640 fresh plot to our Liberal MP. More redeem from the 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.440 Victorian Liberal Party is if the Liberals needed. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.720 More strife in Victoria. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:06.880 We'll get to that when we look at what's making 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.560 headlines tomorrow. But first, obviously, as you are very well aware, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.080 in three weeks time Australians go to the ballot box 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.080 for what most people are insisting as one of the 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.640 most consequential elections. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:19.640 We've had in years. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.800 The economy is an absolute disaster, national security as a shambles, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.040 immigration is out of control, power bills are unaffordable. And 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.800 what do you think everybody's talking about whether or not 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.240 Senator Jacinta Nampa Jimber Price should have said make Australia 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.399 great again. Those four words have dominated the political debate 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.960 in the last twenty four hours. The senator uttered those 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.320 fateful four words during a press conference over the weekend 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:47.560 with Peter Dutton. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.120 Here's a reminder of what happened. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.240 I'm so proud to be able to stand beside and 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.240 to ensure that we can make Australia right again, that 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.400 we can bring Australia back to its form glory, that 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.720 we can get Australia back on track. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.400 Well, the media and the government immediately seized on her 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.840 use of that phrase and accused Senator Price of channeling 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.760 Donald Trump. Now, I found it kind of amusing that 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:17.960 that's where we've gotten to. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:19.800 And you would have thought that would be the end 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:20.000 of it. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.639 Just Enter Price said she didn't realize she'd made the comment, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.440 and that may well have been the case. National's leader 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.880 David little Proud said it was an inadvertent slip of 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.080 the tongue. But then, thanks to some brilliant investigative journalism, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.560 a damning photograph turned up of Senator Price and her 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.480 husband Colin wearing make America Great Again habs for Christmas. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.080 And this is proof, as if we needed it, that 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.639 just into Price and the entire Liberal Party a channeling 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.360 the evil Donald Trump. There's a couple of things about this, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.320 Caleb and Danika that really annoyed me. First, this illustrates 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.960 the inanity of the political discourse in this country. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.920 We're headed for a national debt of a trillion dollars, 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:06.360 but that's not the problem. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.680 The problem is that the Center Price used a phrase 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.920 borrowed from the evil Donald Trump. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.120 Second, it demonstrates the low. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:20.240 Opinion our political leaders have of the Australian public. As 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.080 if we really believe that if someone says make Australia 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.680 Great Again, that's proof positive that we're going to end 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.960 up a clone of America probably the fifty first state 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.200 or the fifty second state if Trump nuke's Canada. It 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.000 also demonstrates what a threat to center Price is to 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:41.320 the left. She's clearly the most articulate of the coalition MPs. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.000 When she speaks, people listen, people trust her, and so 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.520 rather than take issue with any of her policy portfolios, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.080 they've taken issue with four words that she said in 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.040 order to smear her as a Donald Trump clone and 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.320 therefore right off and dismiss everything that she stands for. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.080 But just on that point, the thing that annoys me 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.800 is that the Liberal Party didn't seem to own this. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.480 I mean, what's wrong with making Australia great again? And 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.880 what's wrong with borrowing a couple of policies if that 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.280 indeed is what they're doing, And I suspect they are 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:19.919 with just Enterprise's doge like policy responsibility, where she's responsible 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:23.080 for cutting government waste. But I mean, so what if 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.920 she's channeling a little bit of the best of Donald 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:31.080 Trump Anthony ALBANIZI once channeled was it Michael Douglas speech 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.159 from the president, So it's just enterprise. If she is 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.400 channelling Trump, she's channeling a real person, unlike Elbanisi who 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.000 channeled a fictional character. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.440 Yeah, my problem with this, firstly with that photo that 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.600 was dug up. It was actually dug up by our 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.440 friends over at the Guardian. Nonetheless, they've done some excellent journalism. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.520 They found that photo and they went to town with her. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.880 Look whole big scary there she is just in Deprice 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.839 at her husband. Making America great again. Controversial. Oh, for 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.120 goodness sake, Who who cares if they're wearing maga hats? 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.720 I don't care. It's not going to affect. It's not 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.160 going to change anything, is not going to change any discourse. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.720 Who really cares? And God forbid that we actually want 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.280 to make Australia great again. What do you think? Let's 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.080 paint the picture of our country right now. Cost of 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.560 living crisis, housing crisis, We've got terrorist flags being waved 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.720 so brazenly in the streets, protests week in week out. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.520 People have been brought into this country, some who hate us, 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.160 some who do not want to assimilate in this country. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.040 So yeah, it's not the country that many of us 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.159 know and love. Many of us grew up in a 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.760 country that we don't even recognize anymore. So God forbid, 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.400 we actually do want to make Australia great again. I 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.359 am very disappointed that the Liberal Party have not owned this. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.279 In fact, they have not been rolling just into price 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.560 out from the very beginning. They should have. They have 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.039 kept her on the back burner. She only really joined 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.359 the campaign when you think about it, in the last week. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.160 Correct me if I'm wrong. It's only been in the 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.320 last week. She is the secret weapon. Australians love her. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.240 They took to her obviously during this voice campaign. And 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.360 my question now is have they kept her hidden because 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.680 she's become the face of doge and that's their worry 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.920 now that they've been that they've so been painted like 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.000 Donald Trump and Donald Trump's policies that they've got we 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.239 better keep her to the side. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.039 And this is the worrying thing about all of this. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.520 I mean, look from a strategic point of view, or 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.400 the fallout from this was probably predictable and so from 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.760 that point of view, to open your mouth and say 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.080 make Australia graggin was probably dumb to some degree because 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.800 you could have seen this coming a mile off. We 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.240 knew it was going to happen. They're seizing on polling 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.960 we've seen recently showing that Donald Trump is quite unpopular 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.960 in Australia. And we know, of course that Alberizi has 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.360 benefited from the tariffs that Trump has slapped on us. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.160 Ten percent. That the lowest that was given to anyone, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.080 So it wasn't that big of a deal, but Albanizi 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.320 has benefited from it. But what it proves to me 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.960 is that this campaign is so bereft of any vision anywhere. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.440 Two things. You've got a center right politician, mainstream right 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.839 politician saying similar things to a mainstream right politician in 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.760 another part of the world. So what's the big deal? Like, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.960 you know, people carry on in Australia like Donald Trump 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.200 is some sort of bogey man, and oh, I can't 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.200 believe those stupid Americans who voted for him. The majority 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:22.000 of American electors voted for him. He is a main stream, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:27.360 center right politician. He's not some strange, far right right 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.680 sort of bloke like they try to make out he is. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.080 But the reason they're so upset that she would try 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.680 to use the language of a man who actually has 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.800 vision and an idea for what he wants his country 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.720 to look like. And that of course is Donald Trump 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.320 in the US. Is that no one in this election 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.800 actually seems to have any serious vision, and the Coalition 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.160 is just as guilty of that as the Labor Party. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.000 Everyone is talking about what's happened for the last three 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.200 years and maybe what will happen tomorrow, as opposed to 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.720 how this country will look in ten years time. And 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.240 so when you use the phrase make Australia great again, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.400 you're talking about the future. And somehow that seems to 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.080 be a crime in politics these days to actually talk 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.720 about how you want to improve your country, and that 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.440 means talking about big picture, long term things like reforming 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.960 government spending, like reforming immigration, etc. All the stuff that 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.400 people don't seem to want to touch because they just 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.160 want to limp through an election with lots of money 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.720 and promises that get them over the line so they 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.000 can plant their bums on the leather seats in Parliament 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.560 again for another three years. Well I'm sick of it. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.959 Well it's actually feeding into the left's narrative. The left 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.040 loved it's the modus operandi to create this fear, and 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.400 we actually saw it in the US in the lead 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.839 up to the US election. Remember it was the Democrats. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.920 It was the lefty media over there, the liberal media. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.199 They really push this fear that Donald Trump is going 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.960 to take over American and he's going to be big 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.839 and evil and all these bad things are happening, and 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.199 you can see exactly what is happening here in Australia. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:01.440 Now. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.160 It's the same narrative, but they're painting the Liberals as 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:06.840 the big, bad, scary book. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.120 That's the irony, right. So the Democrats in the US 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:14.719 Trump is Hitler. The Labor Party in Australia Duton is Trump. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.960 So they're stealing from the Democrats' playbook and then accusing 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.360 the Liberal Party of aping the Republicans. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.640 It's pathetic, isn't it. And this is what happens when 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.160 you're up with all these people who keep getting churned 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.199 out of universities and they've had all this lefty stuff 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.120 implanted in their brains, and the Greens know what's good 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.199 for them. They want more of these people, of course, 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.960 so they've announced today another one of these things that 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.440 they'll be taking off to Alberanizi if, of course, we 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.800 end up with a hung Parliament on May third, and 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.600 Adam Bandt will have his little grab bag of goodies 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.040 that he's going to go off to albow with to say, look, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.360 we'll give you a government if you just hand us 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.720 a few things. Today. It's free university. Yes, it's going 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.440 to cost a hell of a lot of money. I'll 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.840 tell you how much after mister Band tells you just 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:58.840 how great this is. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.080 The Greens will make big corporations and billionaires pay their 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.040 fair share of tax so that everyone in this country 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.000 can have a good quality, free public education. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.920 Ah. Yes, those naughty billionaires, they have to pay their 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.599 fair share of tax. I suppose mister Band doesn't realize 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.160 that the top ten percent of income earners in this 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.440 country actually pay ninety percent, or actually a little bit 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.840 more than ninety percent of the total income tax that 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.000 is paid in this country. People who earn money pay 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.640 plenty of tax and already pull their weight. But that 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.040 doesn't matter because we've got to run this Robin Ord argument. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.960 But this would cost forty six and a half billion 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.240 dollars every year to give free university in Tafe to 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.800 anyone who wants it. Now, Look, Taife, I'm not so 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:51.679 upset about because if it means we can get a 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.760 few more tradees out there, that we know we need. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.520 That's a different matter, but we need more university students 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.959 being churned out like we need a whole in the head. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.560 To put it into perspective, Forty six and a half 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.640 billion dollars is almost as much every year as being 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.120 spent on the NDIS. And we know how out of 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.719 control the NDIS is. So he wants to spend the 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.200 same amount of money on tuning out more university students 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.360 to do what I mean, what jobs are these people 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.440 magically going to fill that aren't already being filled. The 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.960 jobs we need to fill in this country right now 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.040 are things like trades, and we're trying to get people 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.360 to come from overseas to do them. We don't need 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.959 more people coming out with a Bachelor of Art to 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.680 be a bugger all degree, do we? But of course 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.800 Whitlam did it once and so it's a good thing. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.679 And I mean, for goodness, the Prime Minister had free university. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.520 I think that's probably the best argument to not have 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.760 free university. And it annoys me every time we have 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.160 these discussions about oh, we should you know, forgive student 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.760 loans or university should be free. We have the Heck system, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.160 which is one of the most equitable systems of paying 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.000 for university in the world. It's not like the US, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.920 where you have to take out massive loans that you 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.600 are responsible for in order to get into college or university. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.000 The government pays for it for you, and then you 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.720 pay them back over time once you reach an income threshold. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.280 At the moment it's fifty four grand, four hundred and 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.360 thirty five bucks. As of the next financial year, you'll 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.080 have to be earning at least sixty seven thousand dollars 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.720 before you start paying back any of that hex loan. 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.280 So it is a very free and fairly available system 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.120 that can be used by anyone from any socioeconomic background 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.640 anywhere in this country. It's not a great impost, but 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.320 we must have free university to cost it forty six 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.240 and a half billion dollars to the tax payer. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.080 But I hesitate to correct you because you are very 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.079 rarely wrong. But I'm pretty sure it's forty six point 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.600 five billion dollars over four years rather than every year. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.360 But still it's an extraordinary amount of money. The cost 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.400 of university is an issue. I mean, it's ridiculous fifty 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.280 thousand dollars for an arts degree, not that I know 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.839 what you would do with an arts degree, but with. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.400 It it's about what it's good for, and even that 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.160 would be doubtful. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.640 But free university degrees actually undermine university degrees. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:16.319 It's interesting as a. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.800 Father of kids, I watch my kids go through school 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.360 and they really didn't apply themselves terribly well, I must say. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.200 Then they got into university or one of my sons 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.920 is doing UNI, the other ones at Tafe, and all 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.280 of a sudden they are studying because suddenly they are 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.640 personally invested. There's nothing like personal investment to make someone 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.400 commit to something. So this is something that Greens would 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.679 need to explain. If you're going to suddenly make university 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.800 degrees free for anybody who wants to take them up, 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.960 how do you do that without devaluing them and having 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.080 a whole of people in role in courses that they're 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.000 really not committed to. We already have people chopping and 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.360 changing ad nauseum. That is only going to increase. As 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.480 for the cost will be born by big business, how 0:13:58.520 --> 0:13:59.880 long do you reckon it will be before we do 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.040 have much big. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.439 Business in this country. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.640 As the Greens determined what is their fair share of 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.120 tax to pay? Adam Bant, of course, always uses the 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.040 same argument, and it sounds convincing if you enjoy the 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.079 comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. He says, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.000 in a wealthy country like ours, and then just add 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.600 at the end of that phrase, whatever you want to 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.840 be free in a wealthy country like ours, this should 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.280 be free. That should be free. And that's a great 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.560 argument for about five minutes. But after you've done that 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.280 a couple of times, our country is not a wealthy 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:37.840 country anymore because everything's free. We've destroyed big business and 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.400 suddenly you've run out of other people's money to pay 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.920 for all your grandiose schemes. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.880 Well, here's the thing, it's never Firstly, it's not free 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.400 because we're all going to be paying for it. Let's 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.280 be realistic. Secondly, we are already facing a trillion dollars 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.920 in debt under labor, so you know, why not add 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.160 in this some money grows on trees minority government type 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.680 scheme under and banned as well. And thirdly, what sort 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.840 of fantasy land is Adam ban actually living under? This 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.520 is a disastrous scheme. Now, obviously, free education would have 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.520 been fantastic. I would have loved to have done free 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.480 education and not having to have paid my hex debt. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.040 But he hasn't clearly thought this through. It is only 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.800 designed to win over the younger vote. But they want 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.560 to high cup taxes. Just to go to your point 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.440 there on big corporations or do you think that businesses 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.880 big corporations is going to go, oh yeah, no worries, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.280 this is all well and good, no problems. Keep taxing us, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.920 keep taxing us. Of course not. They are going to 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.400 stop investing. They're going to close down. It means that 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.440 less money into the economy. It means that less work 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.480 because they're going to have to start laying off workers 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.280 and they're going to go overseas. They're going to take 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.200 their business overseas. So terrific policy there. But also to 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.960 make universities free, the standards would have to rise dramatically 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:53.560 because all the courses would become incredibly competitive. It would 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.680 be very hard, and the entry requirements would have to 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.800 be tougher, and it just goes to show really that 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.400 the Greens have absolutely no idea how business works in 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:02.200 this country. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.280 One if the standards would have to go down to accounts, well, 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:05.760 I feel like. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.480 The standards would have to go up, wouldn't they? 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.680 I mean means, how many more students you want to 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.680 shoehorn through? Right, because that's how the ATR system works. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.920 It's all just based on demand. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.680 Well, look, actually, speaking of standards, we know that one 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.080 in three students in this country are currently not actually 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.760 reaching basic literacy and numerousy exams they're not passing, they 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.840 are failing. And we now know that possibly it could 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.680 be teachers to blame for this, because a new report 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.360 by the Grattin Institute has found that one in twelve 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.360 trainee teachers actually dropped out of maths in high school 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.200 one in twelve. The Gratin Institute also found that thousands 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.880 of primary school teachers are struggling to teach mathematics, resulting 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.720 in teenagers who use their fingers to count. So these teenagers, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.240 these teachers are expected to teach maths but actually can't 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.600 do basic maths themselves. Now, if we bring up Giordana Hunter, 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.480 she was actually the lead on this report. This is 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.520 what she says. She says, quote taught poorly, students are 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.160 robbed of a core life skill. Enumerate adults have worse 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.199 job prospects and are more likely to struggle with routine 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:19.040 tasks such as managing budgets and understanding health guidance. Now, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.520 I remember once I graduated from high school. About two 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.840 or so years later, the ATAR so that the entry 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:30.040 requirements to get into university for teaching and for nursing 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.919 for that matter, they actually dropped the entry requirements. They 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.720 dropped it to a lower level, and simply for the 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.159 fact that they couldn't find enough teachers, nor could they 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.280 find enough nurses. But that in itself is a big problem. 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.720 We find out a week ago that to get into 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.800 teaching they had to drop that ATAR result so low 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.560 because they're so desperate that some students are able to 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.160 go into university with an ATAR of thirty nine thirty nine. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.479 It basically means you can fail your year twelve exam, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.520 completely fail it, and you can still enter as a teacher. Now, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.320 how concerning is that when you think that these are 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.240 the people that are teaching the next generation and if 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.679 you can't even count, if you have to use your 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.719 hand one, two, three, four, five, and you have failed 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.800 all of your exams and then you're teaching the next generation, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.200 I think that is an absolute failure, and it is worrying. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.320 Now I'm not pretending like I'm good at math. I 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.880 am not good at maths, full stop. That's why I'm 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.200 now on television. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:25.919 The reason we are winning. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.240 Why I'm on television because I can't do math. But 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.520 the point is that I'm got a teacher, and I 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.520 worry for the next generation that they're being taught by 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.320 these people. And literacy and numerously standards are so low 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.360 in this country as it is. And here's the pro well. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.880 That eight thirty nine point ninety five or whatever, that's 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.719 the bottom four percent of school leavers, right, which is 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:50.080 just insane. And in what they did at the Grat Institute, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.639 they found that eight percent of teachers did no mass 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.879 at all in year twelve. Those who did maths, the 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.000 vast majority did like the easiest version of the subject 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.280 available to them, which is exactly what I did in 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.360 high school. But I didn't want to be a teacher. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.400 Thirteen percent of primary school teachers nine percent of high 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:13.520 school teachers failed a standard global maths test in year ten. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.200 And these are the people who are sent off into 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.680 the classroom to nurture the next generation. Is it any 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.760 wonder that the results just keep getting worse and worse 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.919 and worse and worse and worse, because of course it's 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.000 a bit like compound interest. The more money you put 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.959 into a system, the more money you end up making, 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:29.639 and of course the more money you take out of 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.960 the system, the worse it ends up being because you 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.000 just keep churning these same people through who know less 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.200 and less and less and less and less every time 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.600 you go along. So it's diminishing returns, right, But I 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.800 had to chuckle at the answer that the Gratin Institute 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.960 came up with, which was that we need to reteach 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.399 all of these teachers about mathematics, and in order to 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.120 do it, we need to send people in on two 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.280 hundred and fifty grand a year to teach these teachers 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.920 how to do maths. I mean, how do you get 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.399 out the other side of a university degree to be 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:08.280 a teacher and not know how to teach basic numeracy? 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.440 Like it just seems so straightforward, and we're like, well, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.479 let's check a bit more money, let's check a bit 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.320 more money at it. The Australian Education Union has been 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.959 telling us for decades the biggest problem in the education 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.760