Speaker 1: Hi, Russ Jared, Welcome back to the You Project, Champ.
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, It's been a little bit of time between
Speaker 2: coffees and drinks for podcasting, but I'm glad to be back.
Speaker 1: Both literally and metaphorically. When so, we're recording this the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth of May, the year of no The fourteenth
Speaker 1: of May. I apologize my eyesight. Shit, I'm not wearing glasses.
Speaker 1: The fourteenth of May, the year of our Lord. As
Speaker 1: my mum says, twenty twenty five. How long since you
Speaker 1: and I have had a face to face coffee. It's
Speaker 1: a minute. It's been a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while, but.
Speaker 2: I reckon, we're well overd You put it that way,
Speaker 2: because we always you know, coffees. Coffees always taste better
Speaker 2: when you're having it with a good friend and you
Speaker 2: can talk about all sorts of serious or unseerious stuff
Speaker 2: or you know, tell a bad joke or do whatever.
Speaker 2: It's always better in person.
Speaker 1: It certainly is. And your son and my godson turned
Speaker 1: twenty five recently, and I don't hear from him that much,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. And I always hear from him when
Speaker 1: it's coming up to his birthday. He goes. He sends
Speaker 1: me a message it's my birthday and Friday. I'm like,
Speaker 1: so what and you know, like and like you're twenty
Speaker 1: five bro. Anyway, God bless him. I'm going to catch
Speaker 1: up with him and give him a little something something
Speaker 1: in the near future. So, Mitchell, a little fucker. Well
Speaker 1: done on completing a law degree and being an actual
Speaker 1: grown up now and you know, coming into the fucking
Speaker 1: family empire, which is expanding at an exponential rate. But
Speaker 1: before we talk about I don't know business and life.
Speaker 1: How have you been, mate? How you we talk about everything?
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever talk about you. How are
Speaker 1: you holding up mentally, emotionally, physically, Because I'm busy, but
Speaker 1: I reckon you make me borderline lazy at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been a person that likes to be busy.
Speaker 2: I think that's the way I function the best. I
Speaker 2: don't like too much downtime or empty time or.
Speaker 3: Non productive time.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm I'm wasting time if I'm not
Speaker 2: doing something or being productive. Maybe I can take that
Speaker 2: a little bit too far, but no, Look I'm doing personally,
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. My focus these days is very much,
Speaker 2: very simple, and I find that as the business develops,
Speaker 2: you know, that is certainly one large aspect of my world.
Speaker 3: But I find myself increasingly thinking.
Speaker 2: What I tend to think about these days is how
Speaker 2: am how am I? How am my people going that
Speaker 2: rely on me? And that's where I get satisfaction and calmness.
Speaker 2: When people that rely on me are in a good
Speaker 2: place and doing well, then I'm happy because I think
Speaker 2: that's probably one of my major responsibilities to make sure
Speaker 2: that tire as well, and the boys are well, and
Speaker 2: the people at work for us are all in good place.
Speaker 2: And then if they're in a good place, I'm in
Speaker 2: a good place. Because you do have a you know,
Speaker 2: I feel a burden of responsibility, and that's I think
Speaker 2: that's normal for anyone that's got employees and staff and
Speaker 2: all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: You like to make sure they're they're all doing well
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: I wish it was normal. I wish it was normal
Speaker 1: that bosses cared as much as you. I that, firstly,
Speaker 1: there are some brilliant, caring, amazing bosses, but I would
Speaker 1: say you're in the minority, sadly, somebody that actually has
Speaker 1: the level of empathy and social and emotional awareness that
Speaker 1: you have, where like, your priority is not that you're
Speaker 1: make a lot of doe. Your priority is that your
Speaker 1: people are good and that you're being what they need
Speaker 1: to feel safe and seen and valued and confident and competent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well well done you. I reckon when I had
Speaker 1: lots of stuff, I wasn't to that. I was I was,
Speaker 1: I tried to be that. But I reckon, you've you've
Speaker 1: definitely surpassed me.
Speaker 2: But well, it's it's look, it's honestly, neither was I
Speaker 2: like you. You remember, mate, when I had Harper's and
Speaker 2: you and I were partners, I was a very ordinary leader.
Speaker 2: But looking back, I think I could have done more
Speaker 2: with that business, and I could have done a lot
Speaker 2: more with other businesses if.
Speaker 3: I'd been a better leader.
Speaker 2: And so one of the things, one of the commitments
Speaker 2: I made to myself with this one was, you know,
Speaker 2: just a bit of a look in the room of
Speaker 2: mirrors and a conversation with myself around if this business
Speaker 2: is going to be everything I wanted to be, I
Speaker 2: need to be a better leader, full stop, bottom line,
Speaker 2: And so I work on myself a bit a lot
Speaker 2: more than I used to.
Speaker 3: You know self development, reading books, listening to podcasts. Tara.
Speaker 3: Tara will deliver and that's the beauty of our relationship.
Speaker 2: She will deliver home truths and you know, strong conversations
Speaker 2: when needed. And if she thinks that I'm not, you know,
Speaker 2: not living those values, You're quickly pulling the line and go,
Speaker 2: you needed to be a little softer there, you went
Speaker 2: too hard or you know, you should have addressed that early,
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: So she keeps an eye on me as well.
Speaker 1: Bull China Shop, Russell Garrett. Yeah, yeah, you do have
Speaker 1: that me too. It's like both you and I have
Speaker 1: this thing where some people at various stages of our
Speaker 1: journeys would have labeled both of us a little bit
Speaker 1: intense or intimidating. Who the fuck said that, you know?
Speaker 1: But it is I love that I just wrote down
Speaker 1: the Room of Mirrors. I think I'm going to call
Speaker 1: this episode the Room of Mirrors. And and for those
Speaker 1: people who don't understand that metaphor, that's just something many
Speaker 1: many odzis use that term. But Russ and I, who
Speaker 1: have known each other for thirty plus years, it's an
Speaker 1: expression we use when and many people use when you
Speaker 1: talk about you know, going to have a good look
Speaker 1: at yourself, which is really just opening the self awareness stoor,
Speaker 1: which is like, what am I doing well? What am
Speaker 1: I doing? Shit? What part of the problem am I?
Speaker 1: What part of the solution am I? And more specific
Speaker 1: to all my research, what's it like being around me? Like?
Speaker 1: What is the Russell experience like? For Russell's team, what
Speaker 1: is Craig's audience? How do they see me? Like? What
Speaker 1: is the Craig experience like? For a listener? Do I
Speaker 1: come across like a try hard? And is there too
Speaker 1: much of this? Too little of that? Do I talk
Speaker 1: too quick? Is my shit relevant? Is it irrelevant to
Speaker 1: my I'm always thinking of that because you know, to
Speaker 1: have that understanding of being on the other side of
Speaker 1: a listening experience, whether that's a face to face conversation
Speaker 1: or as a podcast listener, but to have an insight
Speaker 1: into the other person's experience of what's coming out of
Speaker 1: your gob and what and in your situation, more specifically,
Speaker 1: what it's like being around you energetically, you know, physically, sociologically.
Speaker 1: That's like a leadership superpower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you do have to have a self
Speaker 2: awareness and you're probably It's a.
Speaker 3: Skill that only comes with time.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've known me a long time, and you
Speaker 2: know that initially when I was in those senior or
Speaker 2: leadership positions, I lacked that ability to realize how I
Speaker 2: came across and you used to regularly pull me aside
Speaker 2: and go Russ.
Speaker 3: You just got to.
Speaker 2: Wind it back, mate, like your intentions are good, but
Speaker 2: your delivery is not great, you know. And I still
Speaker 2: have I still have the tendency to do that, but
Speaker 2: I checked myself much earlier these days, and I and
Speaker 2: I as a person, I am much more laid back
Speaker 2: than I used to be, because what I've learned over
Speaker 2: time is everything tends to work itself out. And there's
Speaker 2: a saying I go by, and that is nothing's ever
Speaker 2: as good as it seems, and nothing's ever as bad.
Speaker 3: And if you consistently view the world through that lens
Speaker 3: and think about you know you have it. You have
Speaker 3: a shit moment in your day, or you have a
Speaker 3: bad conversation, it's it's not that bad. And when when
Speaker 3: everything goes great and I get a phone call and
Speaker 3: I have three people, go I want to open a
Speaker 3: franchise with you guys. You know, I temper myself and go, well,
Speaker 3: that's great, but that's that's just that's just.
Speaker 2: One phone call and there's lots of other phone calls
Speaker 2: and emails to complete today, so let's keep it, let's
Speaker 2: keep it nice and level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's just so I'm sure most of
Speaker 1: In fact, I was just rudely looking in my phone.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I was listening, but I was trying to find one
Speaker 1: of our very long standing listeners. Calin Webbin from New
Speaker 1: Zealand sent me a message the other door sent the
Speaker 1: group a message to the U Project. If you're not
Speaker 1: a member of the You Project Facebook, get the fuck
Speaker 1: in there? Will you our Facebook group? And when's Russell
Speaker 1: Jarrett coming back on? And then a few people went, yeah,
Speaker 1: ween'sday and I went, oh fuck, soon, ergo the phone
Speaker 1: call um? But she sent a few and I went,
Speaker 1: what do you want us to talk about? And I'm
Speaker 1: trying to I'll maybe cause us in a minute and
Speaker 1: we'll find her specific questions. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: like I, what I love about your business is that
Speaker 1: the one you found a niche, right, you found a gap,
Speaker 1: you filled the gap. You're filling the gap, and because
Speaker 1: clearly you're doing it, well, it's proliferating and it's a
Speaker 1: you know, it's a success story. Time will tell, but
Speaker 1: right now it's a fucking success story and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. So I'll be interested to see what the
Speaker 1: empire looks like in five years and whether or not
Speaker 1: you're still in it or you're out of it. But
Speaker 1: just the quick backstory, So Russell and I and his
Speaker 1: lovely wife Tara, we had a business was a harp
Speaker 1: as one of my gyms, one of our gyms, and
Speaker 1: russ owned and ran that in Corefield. That was kind
Speaker 1: of but his starting point. We met at Saint Kilda
Speaker 1: Footy Club and we just worked together and then he
Speaker 1: wanted his own space and set that up and then
Speaker 1: he's just gone on to bigger and better things from there.
Speaker 1: So we've been in and around each other's lives for
Speaker 1: the last three decades and you know, for me, I
Speaker 1: love there's a lot of things I love about what's
Speaker 1: happened in the last five years for you. But Russell
Speaker 1: and Tara's business is called at pilarates So the symbol
Speaker 1: at pilaratees. Could you just explain to the ten people
Speaker 1: who don't know what it is in one minute what
Speaker 1: at Pilarates is because I want to and this is
Speaker 1: not a promo promo for the business, because I'm in
Speaker 1: in a loving, caring way. Of course I care about
Speaker 1: the business, but for our listeners, I want to know,
Speaker 1: how do we build something? How do we? How do we?
Speaker 1: Because how old are you now?
Speaker 3: Fifty seven?
Speaker 1: Now? How old is at Pilarates?
Speaker 3: Well really probably I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it was anything until twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: so it's four and a half years old.
Speaker 1: Right, So this is what I love. You've now got
Speaker 1: this business that's proliferating internationally, right, that's growing like a
Speaker 1: fucking I was going to say a weed a rose garden,
Speaker 1: and you really like started that at I mean it
Speaker 1: started early, but in terms of its current you were
Speaker 1: fifty three, Like this is really encouraging for people that
Speaker 1: you know, after your fiftieth birthday you might do your
Speaker 1: biggest and best work, Like when people are starting to think,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I'm on the slide. What if? What if?
Speaker 1: And not even in a bullshitty feel good you know
Speaker 1: pop psychology, Our life gets better after fifty No fuck that,
Speaker 1: what if? Life actually can get better after fifty What
Speaker 1: if you can produce better results after fifty What if
Speaker 1: your brain works better after fifty? What if you plug
Speaker 1: in all your experience and knowledge and wisdom and insight
Speaker 1: and understanding, and you at fifty seven are a much
Speaker 1: better fucking leader and communicator than you were when you
Speaker 1: were running other businesses at thirty seven. You know, and
Speaker 1: not only is that possible, it's probable when you do
Speaker 1: the right things right.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's no doubt to your statement that the
Speaker 2: biggest and best work that I am doing and will
Speaker 2: do is definitely after fifty because because this business is
Speaker 2: the culmination of a lot of experiences, positive and negative,
Speaker 2: that I went through with all my other businesses. So,
Speaker 2: as you know, I've always been involved in strength and conditioning,
Speaker 2: but then there was a part of me that always
Speaker 2: worked in personal training with you. Then there was a
Speaker 2: part of me that worked in education with my RTO.
Speaker 2: So the culmination of all of that experience and wisdom
Speaker 2: and knowledge and the ability to operate in those different
Speaker 2: spaces has given me the skill set to then do
Speaker 2: something of this style with this business. So I've developed
Speaker 2: some understanding around business, understanding around people management, understanding around marketing,
Speaker 2: some understanding around it and technology.
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert.
Speaker 2: Or specialize in any of those fields, but I have
Speaker 2: a really good knowledge across all of them. So that
Speaker 2: ability to be a little bit of a jack of
Speaker 2: all trades has allowed me.
Speaker 3: To operate this business with Tara.
Speaker 2: And I think that's if I'm looking from the outside in,
Speaker 2: I think that's why I'm having success because I've worked
Speaker 2: in different fields. I've had to develop different skills, and
Speaker 2: even it's interesting at the moment when I work around
Speaker 2: our team. At the moment, we've got a very young staff,
Speaker 2: and I find myself sometimes thinking, my god, these people
Speaker 2: move so quickly.
Speaker 3: They produce things so fast, and their brains.
Speaker 2: Us process so quickly, and I'm thinking, how long can
Speaker 2: I keep up with these young ones? Because really they do.
Speaker 2: They move quick.
Speaker 4: You throw an idea at them and they.
Speaker 2: Shoot off in all sorts of tangents and they come
Speaker 2: back in and they present you with ideas and thoughts
Speaker 2: and concepts that I hadn't even considered.
Speaker 3: But then Tara's job and my job, our job.
Speaker 2: Is to then sift and filter through all of those
Speaker 2: wonderful ideas and go So that's a good one that's
Speaker 2: not so good that won't work, and this is the
Speaker 2: one we're going with. So our job is to direct traffic,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also, you don't need their You don't need
Speaker 1: their twenty four year old it tech, brilliant, creative, amazing brain.
Speaker 1: You just need to be able to know how to
Speaker 1: best lead them and use them as not the right word,
Speaker 1: but integrate them into your vision so that they you
Speaker 1: can operationalize their gifts while still making them feel appreciated
Speaker 1: and valued and seen and all of that and respected.
Speaker 1: I think that's now. It's like Melissa, who obviously everyone
Speaker 1: knows who works with me. She's got so much knowledge
Speaker 1: and skill and all of that. And she's not twenty five,
Speaker 1: she's thirty five or six, but still for me a teenager.
Speaker 1: But the shit that she can do in five minutes,
Speaker 1: I can't do in five hours. And because I just
Speaker 1: don't know, I just don't understand the things that she
Speaker 1: understands in terms of and we're not talking about human
Speaker 1: behavior or business the greater, but we're just talking about
Speaker 1: how to like a lot of tech and a lot
Speaker 1: of even the back end of business and stuff and
Speaker 1: building websites and coding and all of that stuff, which
Speaker 1: if you said to me, explain coding, I'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: hang on, and I'd talk for three minutes. It'd be
Speaker 1: clunky and ninety percent of it would be bullshit. Right, So,
Speaker 1: but just I kind of got detoured.
Speaker 2: You wanted to every business, Yeah, just tell everyone what
Speaker 2: the business is and how many centers studios you have
Speaker 2: and all of that. Now, So we are a pilates
Speaker 2: reformer business, but we're slightly different in the respect that
Speaker 2: we have come up with a system and a model
Speaker 2: that allows people to have a unlimited twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven access. So we're the only franchise in Australia that
Speaker 2: does this. And so our franchisees have their own businesses.
Speaker 2: They operate their own businesses under our guidance and under
Speaker 2: our process and procedure. But the member, the member experience
Speaker 2: is literally they have a membership to their studio. They
Speaker 2: pay a weekly direct debit. That weekly direct debit gives
Speaker 2: them unlimited access. They have our app on their phone
Speaker 2: where they make their booking and they turn up and
Speaker 2: they complete their class by visual or viewing an instructor
Speaker 2: through one of our large screens that revolves around the machine,
Speaker 2: so they select their class from a library of over
Speaker 2: three hundred That class has been recorded specifically for someone
Speaker 2: to do on their own with the same reformers. So
Speaker 2: they're being instructed by that instructor, but through a screen,
Speaker 2: not live.
Speaker 3: And so that's that's the general concept.
Speaker 1: You know, what's amazing is and I'm not just saying
Speaker 1: this because it's you and it's what you've done. Right. Firstly,
Speaker 1: no one else is doing this, not twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: you know. Secondly, I understand like I've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of friends who do pilarates right and shout out to
Speaker 1: Fie who does pilarates all the time. But one of
Speaker 1: the one of the limitations with traditional is that, well
Speaker 1: you've got to go at nine thirty and by the way,
Speaker 1: it's booked out at nine point thirty, so you go
Speaker 1: on a waiting list and then you might be you
Speaker 1: might get in, you might not. And by the way,
Speaker 1: depending on how you're paying for this, it could be
Speaker 1: thirty or thirty five dollars for a class, depending on
Speaker 1: where you're going and what payment system or methods you're using,
Speaker 1: and how often you go. And that's a fair bit right,
Speaker 1: And then and then there's you're doing that class. You've
Speaker 1: got one choice, which is if you're doing that time
Speaker 1: or that's the class. So you don't but when you go, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to train at eleven pm. Sure,
Speaker 1: And by the way, at eleven pm we have over
Speaker 1: three hundred classes that you can you know, I love
Speaker 1: and I know some people will go, oh, but I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it, but you're not. You're offering
Speaker 1: something different. But it's the I've been in. I've been
Speaker 1: in a few of your studios and I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying this, but it's fucking world class. It's beautiful. This
Speaker 1: is I've got this weird thing, right. I love smells.
Speaker 1: I love going somewhere that smells great, and they all
Speaker 1: smell great, you know, and they look great and all
Speaker 1: of that. But anyway, so congrats. So how many studios
Speaker 1: are in existence now?
Speaker 2: I got back from opening our most recent one, which
Speaker 2: was in Mackay, and I'll tell you something about that
Speaker 2: in the moment.
Speaker 3: But I got back from Mackay yesterday.
Speaker 2: That was opening number twenty six around Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 3: We're now into national by the end of July.
Speaker 2: We've got four more to open, so basically by the
Speaker 2: halfway point of this year will have thirty's.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. What happened in Mackay, Well.
Speaker 2: Mackay a lady wanted to buy Mackay for some time
Speaker 2: and there were other people sort of already having a
Speaker 2: reservation on that territory, so she kind of missed out.
Speaker 2: Then that other group they pulled out because they couldn't
Speaker 2: they couldn't achieve it amongst all of them. They had
Speaker 2: other commitments and other responsibilities, so they decided it wasn't
Speaker 2: for them. So I rang this lady and I said,
Speaker 2: so her name Zoe. I said, Zoe, this Mackay territory
Speaker 2: is it's available.
Speaker 3: Do you want it?
Speaker 2: She goes, absolutely, I'm taking it. Sign me up now.
Speaker 2: So we did that and she opened her studio on
Speaker 2: Saturday with three hundred and seventy members. Now, the previous
Speaker 2: best opening ever in the history of ever for US
Speaker 2: was two hundred and twenty, so she eclipsed the record
Speaker 2: by one hundred and fifty members.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen so much, so much excitement and activity,
Speaker 2: and it was literally like I don't know, it was
Speaker 2: hard to explain. But it was a bit of a
Speaker 2: moment for us to see that. I mean, I was
Speaker 2: getting people from Makay texting me going when are you
Speaker 2: guys coming to Makay, Like when are you opening? And
Speaker 2: apt pilates in Makay They somehow found my number and
Speaker 2: or that the DM me through Instagram and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is insane, like people from another part of Australia
Speaker 2: contacting us directly going, please put one here in our city.
Speaker 1: How many it's probably a question without notice, that's not fair.
Speaker 1: How many people live in Makay?
Speaker 3: Do you know about one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a big, big town, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big Yeah, it's a big regional city.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I you it was big, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I would not have picked one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, me either.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I did a bit of Google research.
Speaker 2: I knew it was a big regional city. And I
Speaker 2: know that McKay has a big mining element to it,
Speaker 2: both around Mackay but also in those other regional areas
Speaker 2: near it.
Speaker 3: And the next one we're going to open near there
Speaker 3: is Townsville. In July.
Speaker 2: So we go into Townsville as well, So any of
Speaker 2: your listeners up in Townsville, watch out here we come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get out, but a cup before we go and
Speaker 1: talk about a few things. By the way, of course,
Speaker 1: if you don't know, Russ has got a master's in
Speaker 1: exercise physiology. He's one of Australia's most experienced elite conditioning coaches,
Speaker 1: having worked in the AFL system and the Institute of
Speaker 1: Sport and lots and lots of Olympic athletes and teams
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So and having owned gyms
Speaker 1: and having been an educator in the space, owning his
Speaker 1: own registered training organization, and so we're going to we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about some exercise specific stuff. But
Speaker 1: my last kind of general question around what we're talking
Speaker 1: about before we dive in to the other stuff, is
Speaker 1: what have you changed? You kind of touched on it,
Speaker 1: but is there anything else that you have changed, either
Speaker 1: you've changed personally and or the way that you navigate business, communicate,
Speaker 1: solve problems, all the people's stuff. You alluded to some
Speaker 1: of it before, But is it just that you've got
Speaker 1: more awareness and empathy or is there more.
Speaker 3: Two things I reckon that make up that and that
Speaker 3: is one.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, I do feel like I've got a better
Speaker 2: level of self awareness, and that's something that I'm consciously
Speaker 2: trying to develop, because I don't think you can.
Speaker 3: I think that's a skill that comes with time. I
Speaker 3: also think that now more than ever, it's a more
Speaker 3: important skill.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is because, and I
Speaker 2: think you would you would know this yourself and probably
Speaker 2: agree with me, that we have more avenues to communication
Speaker 2: than we have ever had before, but we're worse at
Speaker 2: it than we've ever been before.
Speaker 3: And I think the.
Speaker 2: Level of I say to my franchisees, I often don't
Speaker 2: like a conversation that needs that's a that's a serious conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't like doing serious conversations over a phone call
Speaker 2: or via zoom.
Speaker 3: I will do them if I have to, but I.
Speaker 2: Much prefer to have a serious conversation with a person.
Speaker 3: In person, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because because I think there's there's value to reading
Speaker 2: body language and looking someone directly in the eye and
Speaker 2: reading reading their body language and how they're reacting to
Speaker 2: what you're saying. Because you've said it yourself, what is
Speaker 2: it Craig ninety percent of communication is nonverbal.
Speaker 1: Something like that, or ninety three is the number that
Speaker 1: gets wheeled out. But yeah, definitely, what when people are
Speaker 1: not talking, they're still telling your stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and so I like, I think I'm much
Speaker 2: better at being self aware.
Speaker 3: And the second thing is.
Speaker 2: Now more than ever, I think you have to be
Speaker 2: very mindful about how you deliver a message or communicate
Speaker 2: with people before you open your mouth, because people are
Speaker 2: a little bit I guess these days people are more
Speaker 2: sensitive there it's easier for them.
Speaker 3: To be upset.
Speaker 2: And I don't know all the reasons for that, but
Speaker 2: I just think back in the day, you know, when
Speaker 2: you and I were working at football clubs, and I
Speaker 2: know that's a male dominated environment where there's big egos
Speaker 2: and lots of confidence. But these days you have to
Speaker 2: be very careful and also very thoughtful about how you
Speaker 2: deliver messages and how you communicate because it's it's hard
Speaker 2: for the message to be received in the right way
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the challenges. I agree with you,
Speaker 1: and I think also for the deliverer of the message,
Speaker 1: you me whoever the boss or the leader, or the
Speaker 1: coach or even the coworker doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: person in leadership, right, but is to realize that your
Speaker 1: intention is not the other person's experience, right. You go, ah,
Speaker 1: but I was clear and I didn't raise my voice,
Speaker 1: and da da da. Yeah, But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: they're not intimidated. Right, That doesn't mean and I know this,
Speaker 1: like I intimidated and probably still do people without ever
Speaker 1: intending to create that outcome, right, And so you know,
Speaker 1: you you really have to. You know, there's an idea
Speaker 1: I've spoken about it here. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: mentioned this to you. There's an idea or a concept
Speaker 1: in psychology you called the false consensus effect. You'll love this, Rusty,
Speaker 1: And the false consensus effect just speaks to the fact
Speaker 1: that we humans think that other people think like us, right,
Speaker 1: And so what I'm thinking in my head and my
Speaker 1: intention and what I'm saying, that's going to be what
Speaker 1: you're getting, right, And that's just not true a lot
Speaker 1: of the time, which is where this trying to have it,
Speaker 1: you know. And what we can do is sometimes we
Speaker 1: can look at somebody's response and to us, that response
Speaker 1: might be over the top, like disproportionately hysterical, to what
Speaker 1: actually happened, and you're like, come the fuck on, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, do we really need to be up? Like
Speaker 1: that's a nine out of ten response to a one
Speaker 1: out of ten stimulus? Do we need? Right? And as
Speaker 1: you and I, as people who probably don't are not
Speaker 1: triggered that much by that many things, and we're just
Speaker 1: lucky for that. I guess what we're doing is we're
Speaker 1: not understanding that although maybe through our eyes that response
Speaker 1: is disproportionate to what happened, their experience is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent real. So even though you might go, look, this
Speaker 1: is really not a traumatic event, but to them, the
Speaker 1: trauma is real. And so it's not about whether or
Speaker 1: not objectively this thing is this or that, but rather
Speaker 1: subjectively they are truly hurt or they are, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's that whole theory of mind idea of
Speaker 1: trying to look at the thing through someone else's window.
Speaker 1: But for me, like that is something and I know
Speaker 1: you don't know this, probably in the middle of a
Speaker 1: podcast especially, but yeah, that's where you've really evolved because
Speaker 1: you were quite and you're right, you know, you and
Speaker 1: I grew up in a and this doesn't rational eyes
Speaker 1: or justify anything, but it explains it a bit. Where
Speaker 1: you know, when you and I were working in the
Speaker 1: AFL system in the nineties, well fuck your feelings, like
Speaker 1: you're getting paid to do this, and I'm getting paid
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do, and I've got people
Speaker 1: paying me to tell me what to do, and but
Speaker 1: bah bah, you know, and that's that's the But that
Speaker 1: was the model then, that was the model, that was
Speaker 1: the culture, and now thankfully it's evolved, you know, So yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think I think, like most things, what the way
Speaker 2: you and I worked in the nineties and the environments
Speaker 2: that we worked in and how we communicated with each
Speaker 2: other were certainly not the best way of doing it,
Speaker 2: because we know that there are people that have been
Speaker 2: through those environments that have got you know, some some
Speaker 2: damage and some real, some real unpleasant memories from working
Speaker 2: in those in those times. Because yes, there were there
Speaker 2: were people were communicated with inappropriately and treated inappropriately. I
Speaker 2: just think that we've probably in some situations, we've probably
Speaker 2: over compensated for that, and we just need to find
Speaker 2: our balance a little bit where because, as you know, mate,
Speaker 2: in life, especially in business, sometimes things don't work out
Speaker 2: the plan.
Speaker 5: And when you add financial success or failure into that conversation,
Speaker 5: emotions and reactions get very quickly heightened.
Speaker 2: Everything like a navy seal, a navy seal once. I
Speaker 2: listened to a navy seal once who said, if you
Speaker 2: want to make anything a fucking mess, just throw water
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: Right, Everything's worse when you put water on it. It's true.
Speaker 2: But in business, every conversation is more stressful and more
Speaker 2: heightened when there's a dollar sign attached to it. And
Speaker 2: that's what I've got to be very careful of because
Speaker 2: all I do just about all day now is talk
Speaker 2: to people about money, finance, business.
Speaker 3: Memberships, retention.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all about dollars and cents, and I'm
Speaker 2: okay with that, but a lot of people are not
Speaker 2: used to it. It's a very unfamiliar territory for them,
Speaker 2: and they get very stressed very quickly. And I've got
Speaker 2: to make sure I realize that someone who's been in
Speaker 2: business for six months they stress and panic a lot
Speaker 2: faster than I do when I've been doing it for,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think you do raise
Speaker 1: a good point, right, and that is that, yes, we
Speaker 1: need to be aware, and we need to be empathetic,
Speaker 1: and we need to try to understand someone else's version
Speaker 1: of right now, you know, so that that kind of
Speaker 1: you know, capacity to be able to look through their
Speaker 1: window for one of a better metaphor. But also, boys
Speaker 1: and girls, life doesn't give a fuck about your feelings.
Speaker 1: Life doesn't care if you're having a good or bad day.
Speaker 1: And so the challenge I reckon is for us to
Speaker 1: be simultaneously, people like you and me who are probably
Speaker 1: old buff eds, to be aware and thoughtful and empathetic,
Speaker 1: but also for all of us to be able to
Speaker 1: go yeah. True, but we also need to be resilient.
Speaker 1: We also need to work on being mentally tough and adaptable.
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, if I said to one
Speaker 1: hundred people in a room, do you want to be
Speaker 1: more resilient? Nobody's going to say no. You know, do
Speaker 1: you want to be able to perform under pressure? Because
Speaker 1: life is pressure, Nobody's going to say no. Everyone. So,
Speaker 1: how you build resilience, How you build a capacity to
Speaker 1: work under pressure, How you build a capacity to thrive
Speaker 1: in the chaos. How you can keep getting up when
Speaker 1: others would just stay down? Right? Well, that's built at
Speaker 1: the cold face of the cold face of the bullshit,
Speaker 1: like you know, and the obviously analogy for you and
Speaker 1: me is resistance training, where you go and literally work
Speaker 1: against physical resistance to create adaptation, which is strength, so
Speaker 1: too mental and emotional like, well, let's go to the
Speaker 1: mental and emotional jim, where we work against resistance and
Speaker 1: we also build strength. So when that hard thing happens,
Speaker 1: when the shit hits the metaphoric fan on planet you,
Speaker 1: which it absolutely will, you don't capitulate because now you're
Speaker 1: a bit stronger, a bit more resilient, a bit more capable,
Speaker 1: a bit more used to pressure, and a bit okay
Speaker 1: with it all right, So I think it's that balance
Speaker 1: between understanding others and being empathetic and aware, but also,
Speaker 1: like I'm more interested in from how do I help
Speaker 1: people point of view, how do I help them build
Speaker 1: resilience because resilience is fucking key, it is.
Speaker 2: And to your point, the best and worst time for
Speaker 2: me in the last thirty years of business was the
Speaker 2: COVID lockdown, and that's when I was at my most
Speaker 2: ever stressed. I tend to cope with stress reasonably well,
Speaker 2: but that was a moment where I definitely had some
Speaker 2: very very stressful times. But at the same time, had
Speaker 2: I not gone through that, things happen in my day
Speaker 2: now that ten years ago would have stressed me. Now
Speaker 2: I just literally laughed them off because it's all relative.
Speaker 2: Nothing is as stressful today.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: If someone rings me up and says, you know, I
Speaker 2: know we've had ten conversations and I want to open
Speaker 2: a franchise, but we're not going to do it where
Speaker 2: we've changed our mind or we're moving away. So that's
Speaker 2: potentially a significant sum of money that has just walked
Speaker 2: out of my office.
Speaker 3: That doesn't bother me because it's all relative.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there'll be another lead tomorrow, There'll be another
Speaker 2: franchise e next week.
Speaker 3: It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 2: Look at what look at what you have got, Look
Speaker 2: at what the environment you now have compared to what
Speaker 2: it looked like five years ago, and let's keep.
Speaker 3: Things in perspective.
Speaker 2: And I think had I not been through that really horrendous, difficult,
Speaker 2: stressful time, I wouldn't function as well and as calmly
Speaker 2: as I do now. I needed to live through that
Speaker 2: because I'm a way better operator because of it.
Speaker 1: And that the beautiful analogy. There is the ten kilos
Speaker 1: that used to be heavy. It's still ten kilos, but
Speaker 1: it's not heavy now, it's like and the weight hasn't changed,
Speaker 1: the lifter has changed. So all those you've probably got
Speaker 1: as an objective inbound stimuli. You've probably got more stress
Speaker 1: coming in, but you don't experience it as a person
Speaker 1: being stressed because you're not lifting the ten. You're lifting
Speaker 1: the thirty now. Yep, right, so you've just built this
Speaker 1: strength and this capability. All right, as promised, we've taken
Speaker 1: fucking way too long. I apologize everyone. What I'm going
Speaker 1: to do is this. You won't hear it, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to pause the recording temporarily. I'm going to find
Speaker 1: a couple of questions from Carolyn and we'll be back momentarily.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're back. You didn't know we'd even gone.
Speaker 1: Bloody hell. Technology. Fuck, it's fascinating, isn't it? All Right,
Speaker 1: So this is in the New Project podcast facebook page.
Speaker 1: Carolyn says. Caroline says, when we'll Russ Jarrett return? And
Speaker 1: I wrote soon? What do you want us to discuss? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go one, What a high performance life looks like? Oh?
Speaker 1: What a high performance life looks like. All right, well,
Speaker 1: I'll start and then you build on that. So for me,
Speaker 1: for me, a high performance life is just you getting
Speaker 1: the most out of what you've got to work with.
Speaker 1: So I call my mom a high performer because she's
Speaker 1: eighty five and she cooks and cleans and drives r
Speaker 1: On around and looks after ron And so for me,
Speaker 1: high performance is really about your capacity to get close
Speaker 1: to optimizing whatever it is you have to work with.
Speaker 1: It ain't about running one hundred meters in ten seconds,
Speaker 1: curing cancer, joining the space program, or you know, winning
Speaker 1: a Grammy award. That in terms of because I try
Speaker 1: to make that idea of high performance relevant to the
Speaker 1: average punter, which is Russ, which is me, which is
Speaker 1: most of you. So the question, Russ, is what a
Speaker 1: high performance life looks like to you? How would you
Speaker 1: expand on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two things that come to mind. There.
Speaker 2: There's a Japanese philosophy which many people will have heard
Speaker 2: of called kaisan, which is the concept of continuous life
Speaker 2: life long improvement. And whilst that might sound a little
Speaker 2: bit you know kumbai yah, I think that's it definitely
Speaker 2: has it has relevance for me. So I personally as
Speaker 2: someone who tries to be a high performer. You know,
Speaker 2: one of the things I want to do is make
Speaker 2: sure that even if I write a basic email, even
Speaker 2: if I have a conversation with someone about establishing a franchise,
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that that email and that
Speaker 2: conversation is done as well as I can do it.
Speaker 2: So I pride myself on trying to continuously improve the
Speaker 2: way I communicate, the way I operate, how efficient I
Speaker 2: can be in my day. I look at that all
Speaker 2: the time and say, if I am, if I've got
Speaker 2: someone in my chair and someone's doing my job, what
Speaker 2: would I be looking at them to do on a
Speaker 2: daily basis to get better and be better? And I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the most important elements of high
Speaker 2: performances to constantly go can I improve, you know, in
Speaker 2: some way, shape or form. And the other thing that's
Speaker 2: I think really critical is setting high standards for yourself.
Speaker 2: You know, the concept around oh that's you know, close
Speaker 2: enough is good enough. I don't like that, and I
Speaker 2: think in Australia we do suffer from that mediocrity attitude
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think you should no matter what you do.
Speaker 4: Whether you're a professional golfer footballer, or you're a tradee
Speaker 4: or you're an electrician or whatever it is, whatever your
Speaker 4: career in life is, I think we should all have
Speaker 4: an attitude of I want to be really really expert
Speaker 4: in this field.
Speaker 3: I want to be really good at it.
Speaker 1: Love it all, right, talking point. This is not a question,
Speaker 1: just a talking point, So riff on this for I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you two minutes strength training for people
Speaker 1: older than fifty, So strength training for the over fifties.
Speaker 2: The things that around that I would say is consistency
Speaker 2: beats load. So you know, maybe don't worry too much
Speaker 2: about what you are lifting in comparison to what you
Speaker 2: did used to lift, because I certainly don't lift as
Speaker 2: much as I used to, but that doesn't bother me
Speaker 2: or stress me anymore. It's about making sure that I
Speaker 2: lift regularly. Consistency is key for people over fifty. Also
Speaker 2: for people over fifty, making sure that they're doing exercises
Speaker 2: that don't leave them with unnecessarily high levels of fatigue
Speaker 2: or soreness, or stiffness or lack of mobility. So find
Speaker 2: what works for you, and if that means that your
Speaker 2: key exercises are probably you know, maybe six or seven.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be doing you know, weird and
Speaker 2: wonderful new exercises all the time.
Speaker 3: If you know what works for you, stick with it.
Speaker 2: So I know certain exercises hurt my lower back and
Speaker 2: I don't do them as regularly, or I don't just heavy,
Speaker 2: and I know other exercises I can go super heavy
Speaker 2: and I get no real joint pain or discomfort from it.
Speaker 3: So I know what works for me. For me, I
Speaker 3: know how my body works, so.
Speaker 2: When I get when you get to that old older
Speaker 2: age bracket, train consistently. Find that your best exercises, do
Speaker 2: the ones that don't give you unnecessary levels of joint
Speaker 2: pain and stiffness, and stick to that because when you're sore,
Speaker 2: you tend not to train as much.
Speaker 3: And that's when everything starts to spiral downwards.
Speaker 1: Love it. Also, by the way, everyone, there are no
Speaker 1: new movements, just to be clear, Just to be clear,
Speaker 1: so forget YouTube. There are no new movements like anatomically
Speaker 1: there aren't. So there might be new names for old things,
Speaker 1: and people think they invented a movement that's never been
Speaker 1: done by a human they haven't. They might be doing
Speaker 1: something in a slightly different way, but you know, internal external, otflextion, extension,
Speaker 1: you know, in the different planes of movement. It's been
Speaker 1: around forever. So stick with the basics and make it
Speaker 1: as functional as you can. I'm with Rusty, all right,
Speaker 1: another minute or two. Russell's thoughts on training for longevity.
Speaker 1: I think that question might intersect with the last question somewhat.
Speaker 1: But training for I'm going to say training for longevity,
Speaker 1: and I reckon more importantly health span. So how long
Speaker 1: we are? You know, if you live for ninety but
Speaker 1: the last twenty years a dogshit, that's not a great outcome.
Speaker 1: But if you live to ninety and most of those
Speaker 1: ninety years you're pretty functional and operational and good, well,
Speaker 1: that's a great outcome. So let's talk about longevity, but
Speaker 1: perhaps more importantly, health span, living long and strong.
Speaker 2: So if you look at a lot of the research
Speaker 2: that floats around now, and there's a guy that I
Speaker 2: know you look at and listen to, and that's that
Speaker 2: doctor out of the US.
Speaker 1: Peter A Tea Tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they he talks all the time about
Speaker 2: leg strength being a key indicator and maintaining leg strength
Speaker 2: and lack of leg strength being an early indicator for
Speaker 2: all cause morbidity and grip strength, so carrying stuff, holding stuff,
Speaker 2: and keeping your leg strong.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I do chin ups, as you know, as part of
Speaker 2: my Apple body work. I do a lot of I
Speaker 2: still do a lot of leg work, but I often
Speaker 2: just hang on the bar for you know, for as
Speaker 2: long as I can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I do kettlebell fie farmers, walks and carries and things
Speaker 2: like that. I still I also believe crego that we
Speaker 2: should be doing low impact as an older trainer, low
Speaker 2: impact but high intensity cardio, so rower, bike, ski, urg
Speaker 2: and things. So I don't run very much, but I
Speaker 2: still get my heart rate up. And I still do
Speaker 2: high intensity efforts, but they tend to be more low impact.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't do as much. Back in the day,
Speaker 2: I used to love doing stair climbs and running upstairs
Speaker 2: and running up hills and things.
Speaker 3: I probably don't do that as.
Speaker 2: Much now for obvious reasons, but I still like to
Speaker 2: get my heart rate up nice and high one hundred psent.
Speaker 1: Love it, agree with it. I'm going to chuck in
Speaker 1: a left field addition to that, my left field edition
Speaker 1: is this which Russ and I never thought about. I
Speaker 1: tell you twenty or thirty years ago, we never thought
Speaker 1: about this. But now we know that socialization has an
Speaker 1: impact on longevity health span. We know that if somebody's
Speaker 1: ticking all the boxes. They eat well, they train well,
Speaker 1: they sleep well, but they're socially isolated, they're lonely, they're disconnected,
Speaker 1: they don't feel loved, valued, scene nurtured, they don't feel
Speaker 1: like they belong, that person will die sooner. So on average,
Speaker 1: if everything else is as I do, so all of
Speaker 1: those things that Russ said, plus so being part of
Speaker 1: something like Russ's being part of whether or not it's
Speaker 1: a part of a couple or a part of a family,
Speaker 1: or a part of a business or a part of
Speaker 1: a social group where people feel like they matter, actually
Speaker 1: has a physiological impact on everything from endocrime system, immune system,
Speaker 1: cognitive function, emotional system, psychology, everything. And so we know
Speaker 1: that the body and the brain and the mind and
Speaker 1: the emotions are all intertwined, and so emotional and psychological
Speaker 1: health or mental health and emotional health have an impact
Speaker 1: on physical health. Ergo, they have an impact on longevity
Speaker 1: and health span. So go and give some old fucker
Speaker 1: a cuddle. There you go, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: That's the take home message.
Speaker 1: And if you see me, just come and give me
Speaker 1: a fucking hug because a little bit lonely. All right.
Speaker 1: Russ's thoughts on how how should okay so with high
Speaker 1: hypertrophy training? Now, Carolyn's a trainer in New Zealand who's
Speaker 1: also a powerlifter, so she's gone from zero, never having
Speaker 1: really trained that way to now. I think she's got
Speaker 1: one or two national records in her weight in her
Speaker 1: age group in the land of the long White Cloud.
Speaker 1: Is that what they call it? Anyway? Shout out to
Speaker 1: our friends over there. So human weight training versus men
Speaker 1: weight training? Any any advice thoughts mister exercise physiologists with
Speaker 1: the masters.
Speaker 3: On female versus male or hyperchafe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hyperchvy dudes girls Prince's question mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So obviously hypertrophy becomes a little bit more of
Speaker 2: a challenge as we age, and I would say that
Speaker 2: over time the hyperchase if he outcomes start to diminish,
Speaker 2: but the strength outcomes can still well and truly be
Speaker 2: maintained and even improved. So as as I age, I'm
Speaker 2: not so concerned about adding lean muscle tissue. I'm more
Speaker 2: concerned about maintaining what I do have and making sure
Speaker 2: that my nervous system and my neuro muscular system is
Speaker 2: still efficient and firing. So I think my general answer
Speaker 2: to that is, over time, you should think about adjusting
Speaker 2: your goals, but not but not diminishing your goals, just
Speaker 2: changing the outcome a little bit. So Mitch my son,
Speaker 2: who's twenty five, he's like I was at twenty five.
Speaker 2: He's all about more muscle mass, bigger frame, add leaning
Speaker 2: muscle tissue.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not so much. He doesn't doesn't care
Speaker 3: so much about how he well.
Speaker 2: He does care how he functions, but he cares probably
Speaker 2: a tad more about how he looks.
Speaker 3: It's an aesthetic.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't believe that. Fucking hell. Let me
Speaker 1: sit down, all right, That is true. I always when
Speaker 1: I just talk to people about you know, i'd say
Speaker 1: the three things that we kind of care about the most,
Speaker 1: I look, feel, function, how we look, how we feel
Speaker 1: how we function, and the order changes as you get older.
Speaker 1: Like I was when I was twenty five, I couldn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about what worked and didn't work. Prop
Speaker 1: I'm like all about look at me, look at me.
Speaker 1: And then as you get older and shit starts to
Speaker 1: break and you go, oh, blood pressure, what's that? Oh?
Speaker 1: My back? Fucking hell, lumbar? What you know? And then
Speaker 1: you when you've been in lots of like with my back.
Speaker 1: I've been a few times in my life, more than
Speaker 1: a few times in really acute pain. You couldn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck if you looked like humpty dumpty, as long
Speaker 1: as you had fucking a pain free back, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like I didn't care. I just
Speaker 1: oh my god. So all right, let's just ask a
Speaker 1: couple more. What are the top three things you would
Speaker 1: tell a beginner starting resistance training? What are the top
Speaker 1: three things you'd tell a beginner starting resistance training or
Speaker 1: strength training.
Speaker 2: Number one, technique trumps everything, So don't worry about how
Speaker 2: much you're lifting.
Speaker 3: Worry about how you're lifting it. That's that's most important.
Speaker 2: Number two is be be open to all forms of
Speaker 2: resistance as a modality. So don't get hung up on
Speaker 2: I have to use a bar bell, or I have
Speaker 2: to use a dumb belt, or unless I'm using a
Speaker 2: leg press machine, I'm not training. Don't get hung up
Speaker 2: on what type of equipment or what style.
Speaker 3: You know, German.
Speaker 2: Volume method is better than don't worry about don't worry
Speaker 2: about that. Don't get hung up, learn, explore, try stuff,
Speaker 2: open open your mind. So that's number two, and number
Speaker 2: three is be patient unless you're going to unless you're
Speaker 2: going to supplement with other substances that you know people do,
Speaker 2: but we don't advise. If you're going to do things
Speaker 2: the natural way, which most people do and should, be
Speaker 2: patient hyperjury training. Strength training takes a very long time
Speaker 2: in most cases, unless you're you know, genetically predispositioned. But
Speaker 2: for most people, strength training and adding lean muscle tissue
Speaker 2: takes time.
Speaker 3: Be patient.
Speaker 2: Most people are nowhere near patient enough, and they give
Speaker 2: up just as they're about to tip over the.
Speaker 3: Cliff a case. I'll give you the example here Mitch,
Speaker 3: because he carries my genetics.
Speaker 2: You know, when he was fifteen sixteen, was almost painfully thin,
Speaker 2: and you know, I said, look, mate, the best thing
Speaker 2: you can do is start doing some strength training and
Speaker 2: I'll teach you. So we started doing that seventeen and
Speaker 2: eighteen he's like, Dad, this is just ridiculous, Like I
Speaker 2: trained three four times a week, five times a week.
Speaker 2: Nothing's happening, And I said, there's reasons for that. I
Speaker 2: go keep training. Your technique's great, you're learning, you know
Speaker 2: a lot already. I said, it'll come, you know, nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, And as soon as he got to
Speaker 2: that age level and his testosterone level started to increase,
Speaker 2: all of those years of grinding and waiting and training
Speaker 2: and being patient, they all came out.
Speaker 3: And now the kid's got a fair for zecon him.
Speaker 3: So patients, they're the three. They're the three. He's got
Speaker 3: to be patient.
Speaker 1: All right. There's more, but I think we'll leave it there.
Speaker 1: It's always good to catch up with you, mate. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Congrats to you and Tara and Mitch. Mitch
Speaker 1: is in the family business of course, and all the
Speaker 1: people who are doing that. I find it really encouraging.
Speaker 1: I personally find that encouraging, you know, but I hope
Speaker 1: our audience find that encouraging. That you can keep learning, growing, evolving,
Speaker 1: doing good shit start a business in your fifties, you know,
Speaker 1: as objective as I can be. I was thinking when
Speaker 1: you were talking before, I was just looking at you
Speaker 1: and you're fifty seven, and I reckon, this is the
Speaker 1: best that you've been like as having. I don't know
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever they you know, got your shit together.
Speaker 1: You like your knowledge, your confidence, your ability to connect,
Speaker 1: articulate things well, think clearly, solve problems, create, build lead.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to piss in your pocket, but i'd
Speaker 1: hand on heart mean that. And even when we paused
Speaker 1: before and I was trying to find Carol, I said
Speaker 1: to you off air, I said, mate, you're fucking crushing it.
Speaker 1: And it's true. I'm super proud of you. So well done.
Speaker 1: Tell people where they can connect and learn more about
Speaker 1: whatever you know, whether or not that's you on LinkedIn
Speaker 1: or the business or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yes, thanks mate, I appreciate those words. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: on LinkedIn. The website is at Polarti dot Studio at
Speaker 2: Polartes dot Studio because you can't search with the APT symbol,
Speaker 2: so it's at Pilartess dot Studio. We've got a Polarates
Speaker 2: dot two four seven Instagram page. I've got my own
Speaker 2: Instagram page. So there's many ways you can reach out
Speaker 2: to us. Probably the best thing to do always is
Speaker 2: go to our website and all avenues of connection and
Speaker 2: contact from.
Speaker 1: There perfect I say goodbye Pharaoh as always, but thanks Champ.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your what is it Wednesday? Enjoy your Wednesday, big boy.
Speaker 3: Thanks mate,