WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 22 May

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<v Speaker 1>On scoring US Australia. It's the Reader Panehy Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up tonight. The Victorian government refuses to rule out reparations

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<v Speaker 2>in its treaty negotiations.

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish students quitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Their University of Melbourne courses in response to heighten anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism on campus. The Great Douglas Murray joins me shortly

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<v Speaker 2>and he has a message for the Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 2>the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to miss that. That comes after Penny Wong,

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<v Speaker 3>through a department.

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<v Speaker 2>Endorsed the extraordinary ICC decision to seek the arrest of

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettan Yahoo.

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<v Speaker 3>M Horowitz with the latest from.

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<v Speaker 2>The US and as always will bring you lefties losing

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<v Speaker 2>it tonight it's an ABC and MSNBC extravaganza.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop the hammering out there.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's got a hammer?

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<v Speaker 6>Where is it?

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<v Speaker 4>Where's the hammer is it? I'm the go up on

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<v Speaker 4>the other floor. Somebody go up there and stop the hammering.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop the hammering.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is the Deputy Executive Director of the

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<v Speaker 2>Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild. Daniel let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian Labor Party. They've been in power for so long,

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<v Speaker 2>seen so strong, but there's a poll out today in

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<v Speaker 2>the Age showing that they are no longer heading the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberals by wide margin.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, they're trailing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is according to the latest Resolved Strategic poll which

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<v Speaker 2>shows the Allen government is at twenty eight percent, an

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<v Speaker 2>eleven point decline since Stan Andrews resigned as premier and

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<v Speaker 2>Justinto Allen took over, the coalition sits at thirty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a nine point lead Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>If this poll is accurate, then could John Pursuto, Puller

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Bradbury.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, look, I think it's certainly possible the Liberals Nationals

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<v Speaker 7>could win. The government is declining and rapidly and the

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<v Speaker 7>reason for that is the economic pain that is being

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<v Speaker 7>inflicted upon Victorians. We know their budget spending has grown

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<v Speaker 7>at half the rate as the economy, or the economy

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<v Speaker 7>is half the rate of spending, and that's.

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<v Speaker 8>Why debt is going up.

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<v Speaker 7>Victorians are also, i think bitterly disappointed at what happened

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<v Speaker 7>during COVID and the lack of political accountability there, and

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<v Speaker 7>then it's just becoming a reality that as we see

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<v Speaker 7>these projects that aren't getting done on time, that are

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<v Speaker 7>over budget, that businesses are leaving, that the pain is

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<v Speaker 7>starting to be felt, and that's why the numbers are

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<v Speaker 7>going down.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had Victorians, the majority of them vote know

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<v Speaker 2>in the race based referendum. But the state government is

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<v Speaker 2>pressing ahead with a treaty, and the Herald Sun reports

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<v Speaker 2>so the Allen government has refused to rule out reparations

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<v Speaker 2>or giving compulsorily acquired private.

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<v Speaker 3>Property to indigenous groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Minister for Jobs and Industry, Women and Treaty and First

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<v Speaker 2>People's Natalie Hutchins said, after two hundred years colonization, where

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<v Speaker 2>this state took away lands in the settlement, murdered people

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<v Speaker 2>and took away culture and language, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be ruling anything in or out as we go to

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<v Speaker 2>the negotiation table in regards to treaty. Dan I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>about this in today's Herald's son This is the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of undergraduate neo Marxist retric you'd expect to hear at

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<v Speaker 2>a student rally, not coming from a senior minister in

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<v Speaker 2>a state government.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, that's right.

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<v Speaker 7>Victorians don't want this and Victorias don't support this. As

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<v Speaker 7>you rightly say they voted no to the voice nationwide,

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<v Speaker 7>a sixty percent no vote, including forty percent of labor.

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<v Speaker 8>Voters who voted no.

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<v Speaker 7>A treaty and potential reparations are far worse than would

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<v Speaker 7>have voiced done.

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<v Speaker 2>If we had a referendum on treaty, it wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>got ten percent, let alone thirty nine percent that the

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<v Speaker 2>Constitutional recognition got. So this is incredible that the arrogance

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<v Speaker 2>to press ahead and to have the Minister say we're

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<v Speaker 2>not ruling anything out, not even compulsorily quite private property

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<v Speaker 2>being handed over.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, what the Coalition needs to do at state level

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<v Speaker 7>is to build upon its growing electoral success or at

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<v Speaker 7>least in the polls, by muscling up to this weak,

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<v Speaker 7>divisive Labor government. I believe only Tim Smith spoke out

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<v Speaker 7>against the treaty at the time. Now they're opposed to it,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's gone on for too long and they really

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<v Speaker 7>need to speak up on behalf of mainstream Victorians who

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<v Speaker 7>are saying I'm going backwards and you're going to be

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<v Speaker 7>giving massive handouts to one group based on race and

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<v Speaker 7>won't rule out compulsory acquisition is extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, And we've got so many of these neo

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<v Speaker 2>Marxist activists in senior roles in state labor, people who

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<v Speaker 2>have never worked outside of the union movement or the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party. And I guess it shouldn't be a surprise

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the sort of debt that we're in in

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<v Speaker 2>this state, record amounts of debt, and vig labor also

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<v Speaker 2>losing favor with frontline workers they cheered on so enthusiastically

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<v Speaker 2>during the record breaking lockdowns we had here. The state

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<v Speaker 2>can't afford pay rises demanded by nurses, paramedics, police teachers,

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<v Speaker 2>and fire fighters.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, we've got more than two hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Workers who are effectively at war with the Allen government

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, look, this is what happens when the economy goes down.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't pay your bills. And now we're starting to

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<v Speaker 7>see that. We all knew this day was going to come.

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<v Speaker 7>We've been saying for years that there will come a

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<v Speaker 7>point where the Victorian government cannot afford to deliver the

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<v Speaker 7>services the Victorians need.

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<v Speaker 8>We are now seeing that.

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<v Speaker 7>And these are the real world consequences of fiscal and

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<v Speaker 7>economic mismanagement. It's not just numbers on a page. It's

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<v Speaker 7>not just the borrowing cost. You know, the interest payments

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<v Speaker 7>on debt are by far the fastest growing item of

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<v Speaker 7>Victorian government spending. That's also true at a federal level.

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<v Speaker 7>But we're now seeing, as I say, the results of

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<v Speaker 7>this dramatic economic mismanagement, and look, this is the in

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<v Speaker 7>the coal mine and it's going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Get worse to Queensland. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Premier Stephen Miles is insisting migration is to blame for

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<v Speaker 2>road congestion and public transport woes in his state. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a doubled down on his course for the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>to slash overseas migration numbers by half. He's gopped a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of criticism over this stand, but I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>he does have a point. A state government analysis has

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<v Speaker 2>found that net overseas migration contributed one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent increase in trips on Queensland's transport network.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousand trips in twenty nineteen to one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand trips last year. One hundred and twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people moved to Queensland last year, and eighty eight thousand

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<v Speaker 2>of them were overseas migrants.

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<v Speaker 8>Yell the Premiere of Queensland. It's spot on.

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<v Speaker 7>He's right to point out that many of the problems

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<v Speaker 7>we have, whether it's housing, whether it's the congestion on

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<v Speaker 7>our roads, pressure on social services is from the seem

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<v Speaker 7>increased to demand from this unplanned mass migration. You know

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<v Speaker 7>things are bad when even a Labor premier is calling

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<v Speaker 7>out his federal colleagues on their fouled migration progress.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an election around the corner that may have

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<v Speaker 2>something to do.

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<v Speaker 7>With it, And you make a really good point because

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<v Speaker 7>I've got to say, those are the words of a

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<v Speaker 7>man who wants to win.

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<v Speaker 8>He is willing. He's wedged the coalition.

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<v Speaker 7>There on or the L and P on net zero,

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<v Speaker 7>and the LP went along with it, is now wedging

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<v Speaker 7>them on the migration issue. So look, I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>it's probably back to even Stevens in terms of that election.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he has played it very well, indeed, and the

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<v Speaker 2>L ANDP that massive own goal by signing up to

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's Bolder mission targets. Now they've really taken out that issue,

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living, energy policy out of the equation, and

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<v Speaker 2>he seems to be coming in stronger than even they

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<v Speaker 2>are on something that people care passionately about, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>migration numbers, even though it's a federal issue not a

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<v Speaker 2>state issue. Now an increase the number of Jewish students

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<v Speaker 2>at the University of Melbourne are dropping out, deferring placement,

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<v Speaker 2>or fleeing campus altogether, as pro Palestinian activists continue to

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<v Speaker 2>occupy buildings on the Parkville campus. The Arts West building

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<v Speaker 2>has been occupied for over a week now by students

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<v Speaker 2>who are refusing to move. They've even renamed it Mahmud

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<v Speaker 2>Hall after a Gaza victim. They struck classes for seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand students.

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<v Speaker 3>What action is the.

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<v Speaker 2>University taking down to restore order here?

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<v Speaker 3>It seems to be very little, indeed very little.

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<v Speaker 8>They're allowing it to happen.

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<v Speaker 7>They've given into the worst of the campus protests students.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, you talk to students that are they can't

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<v Speaker 7>go to class, they can't study. I mean some of

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<v Speaker 7>them are trying to do exams. They can't go to

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<v Speaker 7>the library and study because they're all side chanting.

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<v Speaker 8>So how come these.

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<v Speaker 7>Students are paying thousands of thousands of dollars and they're

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<v Speaker 7>not even receiving an education. The universities need to be

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<v Speaker 7>rebating the students who can't go to class.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a complete disgrace.

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<v Speaker 7>And the other point to make here is, of course

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<v Speaker 7>you can have your say, but this is a university.

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<v Speaker 7>You're there to be educated, you're there to learn, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just has gone far beyond the protest that they've got

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<v Speaker 2>caps set up. I mean, surely that's against the rules

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<v Speaker 2>and regulations.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure they are clear them out. How hard is

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<v Speaker 7>it for them to clear them out? But this is

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<v Speaker 7>the point reader these universities, in the vice chancellor's lack

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<v Speaker 7>moral courage, they will not do it. They'll take in

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<v Speaker 7>the international students for the money. They're diminishing the quality

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<v Speaker 7>of education, and they won't stand up to this bullying behavior.

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<v Speaker 8>They are as a cohort of disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for a time this evening.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bring in Douglas Murray, best selling author of The

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<v Speaker 2>Strange Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, and his

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<v Speaker 2>latest work, The War on the West. Douglas will get

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<v Speaker 2>to the ICC shortly, but first today we learned through

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<v Speaker 2>our new court filing that was unsealed today, the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Justice authorize the use of deadly force. When FBI

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<v Speaker 2>agents executed a raid at President Donald Trump's Marra Lago

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<v Speaker 2>residents in August twenty twenty two, this seems all a

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<v Speaker 2>bit heavy handed, Douglas when looking for classified documents.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, I mean, when this first happened, I said to you,

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, the best interpretation was that some librarians in

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<v Speaker 9>the National Archives got cross But who knew that librarians

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<v Speaker 9>could send in the gunman. I wonder if the same

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<v Speaker 9>consideration of lethal force was ever considered when documents needed

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<v Speaker 9>to be retrieved from President Biden's chevrolet and his garage

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<v Speaker 9>and various other places. It just seems extraordinary to me,

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<v Speaker 9>as I think it will to most viewers. After all,

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<v Speaker 9>what would the FBI have been expecting. Were they expecting

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<v Speaker 9>a sort of standoff? Were they expecting to shoot security

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<v Speaker 9>officers and others who, of course would surround President Trump

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<v Speaker 9>at all times anyway, in and out of office. It

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<v Speaker 9>seems extraordinary to me, and could have been if it

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<v Speaker 9>had been followed through on one of those absolute keroscene

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<v Speaker 9>on the fire events that everybody in American politics is

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<v Speaker 9>ratefully fearful of.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, these threats to democracy we keep hearing about

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<v Speaker 2>now let's go to the ICC. And you warned us

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<v Speaker 2>about the International Criminal Court and its chief prosecutor, Kareem

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<v Speaker 2>Khan some time ago, and you were right on the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Khan has now defended his recommendation of arrest warrants for

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Prime Minister benjaminitting Now and the Israeli Defense Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Khan says he took this action because Israeli courts did

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<v Speaker 2>not appear to be investigating alleged abuse in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an extraordinary thing.

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<v Speaker 9>And by the way, anyone interested in dystopias should look

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<v Speaker 9>at the announcement that this so called prosecutor Khan made

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<v Speaker 9>with these two equally non descript people standing behind him.

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<v Speaker 9>It looked like a bad nineteen seventies B movie BBC

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<v Speaker 9>made for.

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<v Speaker 1>Television coop film.

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<v Speaker 9>People have to remember that the ICC, the International Criminal Court,

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<v Speaker 9>is simply not what it claims to be. It does

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<v Speaker 9>not have jurisdiction and in my view, it should not

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<v Speaker 9>have jurisdiction. In my view, it should not have jurisdiction

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<v Speaker 9>over British troops or British politicians, nor should it in

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<v Speaker 9>my view, and this is a case for the Australian

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<v Speaker 9>public of course have jurisdiction over Australian soldiers or over

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<v Speaker 9>Australian politicians. But of course Israel isn't a signatory to

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<v Speaker 9>the court. Quite rightly in my view, as this is demonstrated,

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<v Speaker 9>and nor is America, because America knew from the beginning

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<v Speaker 9>of this extra national entity, this supranational entity, that if

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<v Speaker 9>you allow these nondescript, highly motivated ideologue like so called

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<v Speaker 9>prosecutor Khan, they will do all of.

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<v Speaker 1>Their hobby horses.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm fascinated that Khan has immediately decided to go for

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<v Speaker 9>the Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he has.

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<v Speaker 9>He singled out the one Jewish state in the world

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<v Speaker 9>and is trying to prosecute it's democratically elected leader. This

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<v Speaker 9>is the first time the International Criminal Court comes with

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<v Speaker 9>a democratically elected leader. Has mister Khan bothered to go

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<v Speaker 9>for Oh, I don't know Basha al Asad or the

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<v Speaker 9>supreme leader in Iran who hangs women who've been raped

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<v Speaker 9>for the crime of being raped. Has he gone for

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<v Speaker 9>any of them?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, of course not.

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<v Speaker 9>He's not interested in pursuing all of these Muslim leaders

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<v Speaker 9>in the Middle East who carry out atrocities.

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<v Speaker 1>Day in day out.

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<v Speaker 9>No he's gone for the democratically elected leader of the

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<v Speaker 9>one Jewish state.

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<v Speaker 1>He's ane.

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<v Speaker 9>The Court has no jurisdiction over this, and it is

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<v Speaker 9>simply a smear, and Kahn is playing right into the

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<v Speaker 9>hands of Hamaz. Whether he means to do so or not,

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<v Speaker 9>I suppose it's only for him to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a list of the experts who back the

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<v Speaker 2>ICC warrants against Israel. The panel includes an International law

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<v Speaker 2>on human rights expert Danny Friedman, British House of Lords

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<v Speaker 2>member Helena Kennedy, and British Lebanese barrister and human rights

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer Amaal Cooney, who posted a statement on the website

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<v Speaker 2>of the Clooney Foundation for Justice. She wrote, we unanimously

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<v Speaker 2>conclude that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Benjamin Etti Nahu and Israeli Defense Minister Joaf

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<v Speaker 2>Gallant have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity, including

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<v Speaker 2>starvation as a method of warfare, murder, persecution, and extermination.

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<v Speaker 3>I served on this panel because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe in the rule of law and the need to

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<v Speaker 2>protect civilian lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Douglas, what's your response to.

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<v Speaker 9>That these are all more preposterous political ideologues pretending to

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<v Speaker 9>be cool, level minded lawyers. Helena Kennedy is a far

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<v Speaker 9>left wing career political operative.

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<v Speaker 1>In the UK.

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<v Speaker 9>You spent her whole life campaigning for Looney left causes

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<v Speaker 9>and giving them some legal patterner Amal Clooney another highly

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<v Speaker 9>motivated political operator. In her case, doubtless she will use

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<v Speaker 9>this to raise more funds for the Clooney Foundation and

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<v Speaker 9>to burnish her own credentials in some other way. But

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<v Speaker 9>if you just consider what they've done that. First of all,

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<v Speaker 9>these preposterus so called judges and lawyers have done no

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<v Speaker 9>on the ground research, nothing original. They haven't been into Gaza,

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<v Speaker 9>they haven't been in any of the areas of the fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>So when they say we find.

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<v Speaker 9>That Benjamin Netanya, who could have overseen murder in a

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<v Speaker 9>war zone, they don't even know that it has happened.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I suspect there is some killing in a

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<v Speaker 9>war zone. It strikes me as being kind of drega

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<v Speaker 9>and that's why Hamaz shouldn't have started a war. But

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<v Speaker 9>the other thing these people have done is, as I

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<v Speaker 9>said earlier, Khan decided to go for the one Jewish state.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world. But he waited and did it at.

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<v Speaker 9>The same time as going for or claiming that he's

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<v Speaker 9>going to go for Sinoa, the Hamaz leader who planned

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<v Speaker 9>and organized the seventh of October massacres. So what he's

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<v Speaker 9>doing is this neat political, I would say, even Islamist

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<v Speaker 9>ideological thing, which is, if you can't get through in

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<v Speaker 9>the way you want, you pretend there is moral parity

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<v Speaker 9>between Hamaz and the idef between Sinoa, who planned the

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<v Speaker 9>seventh of October atrocities, and Benjamin Ettanna, who whose task

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<v Speaker 9>it is the unenviable task of getting the hostages home

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<v Speaker 9>and punishing the leadership of Hamaz. They have just drawn

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<v Speaker 9>an equivalence between those two things. I think it's, as

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<v Speaker 9>I say, highly motivated, highly political at best. The whole

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<v Speaker 9>thing stinks of an agenda. And I would just say

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<v Speaker 9>that everybody who's just stumbled upon the International Criminal Court

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<v Speaker 9>should remember again, it isn't what it says it is.

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<v Speaker 9>It has no jurisdiction in this matters, nor should it.

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<v Speaker 9>If it is agreed that these highly motivated individuals can

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<v Speaker 9>come for Benjamin Ettannahoo and the Minister of Defense Gallant,

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<v Speaker 9>they will be coming for an Australian Prime minister next

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<v Speaker 9>or a British Home secretary or an American sective state,

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<v Speaker 9>and they have no more right.

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<v Speaker 2>There, You're one hundred percent right there. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>decision to announce this action against the Hamas leadership and

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister on the same day.

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<v Speaker 3>It is such a clear political move to put.

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<v Speaker 2>Them on the same page as if there is some

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<v Speaker 2>equivalence there. It's just transparent, Yeah, it is, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to work legally, absolutely well. This decision by the

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<v Speaker 2>ISC has been condemned by Israel's strongest allies. We've had

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<v Speaker 2>the United States come out strongly, the United Kingdom, but sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>our Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi has been a shamefully weak

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue and his Foreign Minister, Penny Wang I'd argue,

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<v Speaker 2>has been even worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's hear from the Prime Minister first.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let

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<v Speaker 10>alone court processes globally of which Australia is not a party.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently he can't make any comment on court cases overseas.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a few minutes later, he made comment on the

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<v Speaker 2>Julie Assange case, which is happening overseas, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>even stay consistent there. But his Foreign Minister, Penny Wong

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<v Speaker 2>used her department to issue a statement expressing support for

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<v Speaker 2>the ICC. The statement said, Australia respects the ICC and

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<v Speaker 2>the important role it has an upholding international law. The

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<v Speaker 2>decision on whether to issue arrest warrants is a matter

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<v Speaker 2>for the court. Douglas, Australia's response seems not just weak

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<v Speaker 2>but unprincipled compared.

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<v Speaker 3>To what we've seen from the UK and the US.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, first of all, don't be so sure that the

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<v Speaker 9>US and UK are so principled on this. I think

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<v Speaker 9>there's a political gain going on here and the Biden

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<v Speaker 9>administration will be perfectly happy to give over Net and

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<v Speaker 9>Yahoo in order to get a preferred candidate. So there's

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of different types of politics going on. And

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<v Speaker 9>in the UK, the Labor Party, who are likely to

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<v Speaker 9>be the overwhelming party of government in Britain later this year,

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<v Speaker 9>They're idiot representative actually welcomed the ruling, so that would

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<v Speaker 9>be British policy too. As for albin Asia and Wang,

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<v Speaker 9>I mean they can console themselves, and certainly one can

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<v Speaker 9>console herself that she is on exactly the same side

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<v Speaker 9>as Hamas leader Khalid Maschal. Let me just read you

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<v Speaker 9>quickly what Khalid Maschal said earlier this week in a speech.

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<v Speaker 9>He said that it's extremely important to annihilate the Zionists

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<v Speaker 9>for the good of humanity, and that being far away

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<v Speaker 9>from a zone of jihad does not mean that you

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<v Speaker 9>are absolved from carrying out jihad. He says that the

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<v Speaker 9>Alaxa flood, which which is what he and his friends

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<v Speaker 9>in Hamaz all the seventh of October massacre. He said,

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<v Speaker 9>the unaxs of flood must be followed by and has

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<v Speaker 9>been followed by, quote the great student flood. All of

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<v Speaker 9>those students on western campuses, they're doing what the head

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<v Speaker 9>of Hamaz is wanting them to do. He said, we

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<v Speaker 9>need a media flood. Well, Kalid Maschal's got the media

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<v Speaker 9>flood all the way from the New York Times to

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<v Speaker 9>Al Jazeera. He says, then we need a legal flood,

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<v Speaker 9>such as the incidents and the attempts.

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<v Speaker 1>To use the Hague.

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<v Speaker 9>He's also said, of course, that we need gihad and

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<v Speaker 9>resistance and the g had flood. So Wong can console

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<v Speaker 9>herself like all of those wrongheaded students on various campuses

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<v Speaker 9>who've made common cause with Hamas. They're on exactly the

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<v Speaker 9>same page lockstep with one of the people who planned

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<v Speaker 9>the seventh of October massacre. I hope they're proud of themselves.

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<v Speaker 9>History will be horrible to them.

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<v Speaker 2>On those wrongheaded students have seen them across university campuses

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<v Speaker 2>in the US UK right here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd be feeling even more emboldened.

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<v Speaker 2>By their decision by the ICC, and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be enough to see them remove their masks. Douglas,

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<v Speaker 2>you wrote about this trend of anti Israeli protesters wearing

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<v Speaker 2>masks outdoors, and you've called on these cowards to show

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<v Speaker 2>their faces.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was fascinating to me, you know, Rita.

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<v Speaker 9>When I was in Australia recently, I noticed that all

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<v Speaker 9>the anti israel protesters all seemed to be, whilst they

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<v Speaker 9>were doing their thingers celebrating Hamas. They seemed also have

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<v Speaker 9>been incredibly scared of COVID are very twenty twenty here

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<v Speaker 9>in New York up at Colombia. All these students who

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<v Speaker 9>are shouting things like go back to Poland to the

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<v Speaker 9>Jewish students at Columbia, they've all Weirdly, they're also terrified

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<v Speaker 9>of respiratory viruses.

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 9>Same thing in the UK where the brave students at

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<v Speaker 9>Cambridge University shout their filth and also shout it through masks. Now,

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<v Speaker 9>I suggest this is all bunk. They're not actually afraid

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<v Speaker 9>of COVID. Whilst they're doing their bit for Hamas, they

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<v Speaker 9>know that what they're doing might be shameful. They know

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<v Speaker 9>it might get them into trouble. They know that when

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<v Speaker 9>you stand along a group among a group of people

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<v Speaker 9>all wearing their yas arafat Ka fears and feeling so

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<v Speaker 9>proud of dressing up in hamas terrorist chic, they sort

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<v Speaker 9>of sense maybe at some point in the future this

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<v Speaker 9>will go wrong and I might have to account for

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<v Speaker 9>my presence here on my actions.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do I do? I go all twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 9>And I put a mask on, and the authorities in

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<v Speaker 9>my view and everyone else suld say.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in America, in particular, the last group of

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<v Speaker 1>racists who are allowed to parade through a.

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<v Speaker 9>Marria with their faces covered with the ku Klux Klan. Now,

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<v Speaker 9>people used to say, then, if you're so proud of

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<v Speaker 9>your racist ideology, why don't you show your face. And

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<v Speaker 9>it's the same thing with these students and others. I'd

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<v Speaker 9>like them to show their faces. I show my face

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<v Speaker 9>when I speak. You show your face, Rita. We're not

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<v Speaker 9>afraid of being held to account for our opinions. We

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<v Speaker 9>put them out there like anyone else who's sensible, and

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<v Speaker 9>we expect to hold be held to account for them.

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<v Speaker 9>These people do not. They are acting simultaneously as radicals

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<v Speaker 9>and cowards. It's not surprising those two things often go together.

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<v Speaker 9>But I'd say to them, to you the phrase that

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<v Speaker 9>might trigger them, man up, guys, show your face. Let

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<v Speaker 9>the world see the bigotry face to face.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I saw some of.

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<v Speaker 2>Them when they were arrested. I think it was UCLA.

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<v Speaker 2>It was some university campus where the police made a

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<v Speaker 2>point after they put them in handcuffs to remove their

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<v Speaker 2>mand asks, and they did not.

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<v Speaker 3>Seem to enjoy that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to the UK quickly, where The Times is reporting

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<v Speaker 2>that police are being told to make fewer arrests because

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<v Speaker 2>of the lack of space in prisons. Yes, Chief constables

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<v Speaker 2>are being advised to consider pausing non priority arrests and

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<v Speaker 2>also suspend operations that may trigger large number of arrests

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<v Speaker 2>until there is enough capacity in the prison system.

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<v Speaker 3>What could go wrong with that? Douglas, I have.

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<v Speaker 9>To say the UK police advice is late. The UK

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<v Speaker 9>police don't bother arresting anyone anyway, I mean unless obviously,

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<v Speaker 9>for instance, you've tweeted something out about a trans child

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<v Speaker 9>perhaps not being operated on and molested by pervy surgeons.

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<v Speaker 9>But you know, if you have your house rob and

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<v Speaker 9>I mentioned this to you before, reata half the police

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<v Speaker 9>forces in England and Wales haven't made one rest in

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<v Speaker 9>recent years for burglary.

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<v Speaker 1>Not one.

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<v Speaker 9>So actually this advice, and it's always the most ridiculous

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<v Speaker 9>advice that you know, we're running out of prison places,

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<v Speaker 9>so let's just arrest fewer criminals. As opposed to it,

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<v Speaker 9>we will build as many prison places as there are

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<v Speaker 9>criminals who need to go into them. No, they're worried

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<v Speaker 9>about the number of people in prisons and they don't

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<v Speaker 9>need to worry the way that the police in Britain

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<v Speaker 9>are going. The prisons may be filled with tweet crime people,

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<v Speaker 9>but are there won't be any burglars and of course,

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<v Speaker 9>as we know from Sadi Khan's London, there aren't any

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<v Speaker 9>stabbers or murderers. So actually I'm amazed as any shortage

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<v Speaker 9>of prison spaces. I'd have thought that if you did

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<v Speaker 9>have the bad luck to be locked up in choking

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<v Speaker 9>in the UK these days, you'd be able to effectively hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Desk it are among the cells.

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<v Speaker 9>You probably have your choice of cell because most of

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<v Speaker 9>them are empty because the police can't arrest anyone for

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<v Speaker 9>any actual crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't bothered in years.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Before you go, I want to get your opinion on

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<v Speaker 2>this new therapy craze that seems to be very popular

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<v Speaker 2>with some women who are going to the woods and

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<v Speaker 2>just scream and bash the ground with sticks.

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<v Speaker 11>It's called rage therapy, is.

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<v Speaker 3>A rage ritual.

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<v Speaker 2>Therapies can be a costly affair. If you're on the

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<v Speaker 2>full package, it can cost upwards of four thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>money well spent, Douglas.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, it struck me that a few of them

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<v Speaker 9>just ought to take it out by going to the gym.

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<v Speaker 9>It'd be cheaper and necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to want to body shame anyone. But there's something

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<v Speaker 1>just so.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a sort of civilizational breakdown thing.

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<v Speaker 5>This.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, we have somebody there saying they feel sad,

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<v Speaker 9>and another one feels afraid. I hate to break it

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<v Speaker 9>to them, but if any of them are watching, human

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<v Speaker 9>life is sad, is also joyful. Youse are sometimes going

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<v Speaker 9>to be afraid in your life, and sometimes you won't be.

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<v Speaker 1>You might even be brave.

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<v Speaker 9>Human life one of the great things about it is

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<v Speaker 9>it's filled with lots of emotions, but in general it's

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<v Speaker 9>a good idea to keep them in check and keep

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<v Speaker 9>yourself sane. And one of the ways in which you

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<v Speaker 9>can tell that you're not being sane is when you're

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<v Speaker 9>standing in the middle of a wood being rinsed for

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<v Speaker 9>four thousand bucks by some charlattan smashing the ground and screaming.

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<v Speaker 9>That's a sign that you've not got it together. And

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<v Speaker 9>an overpriced stick beating on the ground session ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 9>help you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue.

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<v Speaker 9>All sorts of other things could, but these are just

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<v Speaker 9>people whose lives are not together. I wish some luck,

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<v Speaker 9>but this isn't going to put it together. They are

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<v Speaker 9>going to have to do a lot more work than

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<v Speaker 9>this rita.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but at least they're outdoors in the woods getting

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<v Speaker 2>some fresh air.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's look at the possles. Douglas Murray, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Each they're not online.

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<v Speaker 9>At least they're not online screaming like that as many

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 9>people are. At least they're doing it in the woods, offline, precisely.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Douglas Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Still to come a special ABC MSNBC edition of Lefties

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<v Speaker 2>Losing It, and Armi Horowitz joins me with the latest

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<v Speaker 2>from the US.

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<v Speaker 3>You will not believe what the.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge in the Trump trial has done. Now, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's time for Lefties losing it and the ladies

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<v Speaker 2>of the view are the gift that.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 3>Keeps on giving. So much Lefty is losing its content

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<v Speaker 3>each and every week. And today it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The ironically named joy Beha who stars with this bit

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<v Speaker 2>of derangement.

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<v Speaker 4>You keep wearing that red hat that says make America

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<v Speaker 4>great Again, that tells people, then you go along.

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<v Speaker 12>With this, so you must well just put a swastika

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<v Speaker 12>on the hat.

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 13>Don't worry, that's because we see it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, she's bonkers and devoid of joy. Can you imagine

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>becoming so unhinged by a making America great Again cap?

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 3>And we have more joy for you, not real joy.

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<v Speaker 2>The bitter lefty losing it type here admitting that she's

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<v Speaker 2>not honest with her audience about Joe Biden's failings because

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't want to help Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 14>So but I'm nervous about saying anything against Biden because

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 14>I feel, you know, not.

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<v Speaker 2>That I have so much power and you have some

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>them than I do, obviously, But are you afraid that.

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<v Speaker 3>You might you know, and influence of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Who are on the fact, I think you lose all

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<v Speaker 5>credibility I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, my bond with my audience has always been

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<v Speaker 3>I don't pull a punch.

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<v Speaker 14>My bond with my orient is You're not going to

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<v Speaker 14>like everything I say, but you know I'm saying what

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<v Speaker 14>I really think is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was some subtle shade thrown by Ma, and

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>The worst of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, Joy claims that Biden's brain is still good.

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<v Speaker 3>He's great.

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<v Speaker 5>We are not young, but we don't present as old

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<v Speaker 5>Biden does.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him yesterday making that speech.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm sorry he's cadaver like, but his brain

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 5>is good.

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<v Speaker 3>He's still great. Oh that is just unintentionally hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>And now to more unintentional hilarity from the male version

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of Joy Beha MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell. He had this

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>analysis on Michael Cohen's disastrous testimony where the serial perjura

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<v Speaker 2>admitted to being a thief who stole thirty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from the Trump organized.

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<v Speaker 14>Yes, he stalled thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin was

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<v Speaker 14>asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it didn't

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<v Speaker 14>really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars. It sounded a

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<v Speaker 14>lot like Michael Cohen doing the little that he could

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<v Speaker 14>within that calculation to rebalance the bonus sea fighting deserves,

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<v Speaker 14>and it still came out as less than the bonus

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<v Speaker 14>sea fighting deserved.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you get that?

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<v Speaker 2>So if you think you're entitled to something, you can

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<v Speaker 2>just take it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not really stealing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lawrence actually said it sounded like Cohen doing what

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<v Speaker 2>he could to rebalance the bonus.

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<v Speaker 3>He thought he deserved.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, left is losing it indeed, And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the first time Lawrence has embarrassed himself.

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<v Speaker 3>Reporting on this trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember is bizarre creepy description of Stormy Daniels.

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<v Speaker 14>At ten two am entered wearing all black as if

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<v Speaker 14>on her way to a funeral. The loose fitting, plain

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 14>black clothing draping from her shoulders to her toes suggested.

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<v Speaker 6>The modesty of a nun.

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<v Speaker 14>The makeup was minimal, the way she and the other

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<v Speaker 14>moms in her neighborhood might look when shopping at the

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<v Speaker 14>local grocery store. The long blonde hair held up with

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<v Speaker 14>a clip at the back of her head, the way

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<v Speaker 14>it might be in a utilitarian way while she was

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<v Speaker 14>doing dishes or checking one of the horse shoes on her.

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Horse checking horseshoes. The modesty of a nun. Stormy Daniels,

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<v Speaker 3>really this bizarre and creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was under selling it with that. But

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<v Speaker 2>the best Lawrence clip of all time, if you ask me,

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<v Speaker 2>is from when Trump was president and MSNBC was extra crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy this leaked footage where he is sure he can

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<v Speaker 2>hear a hammer, a hammer no one else can hear,

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<v Speaker 2>and it makes.

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<v Speaker 3>Him very angry.

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<v Speaker 14>Indeed, James Fellows and Josh Arnest, thank you both for

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<v Speaker 14>joining us and I really appreciate it. Coming up, is

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 14>Donald Trump going to be called to testify to Congress?

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<v Speaker 14>Michael Liscoff has the latest on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop the hammering. Stop the hammering out there?

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<v Speaker 5>Who's got a hammer? Where is it?

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Where's the hammer Is it on the go up on

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 4>the other floor. Somebody go up there and stop the hammering.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop the hammering. I'll go down to the goddamn floor

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 4>myself and stop it. Keep the goddamn commercial break going.

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<v Speaker 4>Call Phil Griffin. I don't care who you have to call.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop the hammering. Empty out the goddamn control room and

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<v Speaker 4>find out where this is going on. It's either there

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<v Speaker 4>or there or out there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>He seems agitated, But it wasn't just the hammering. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also a woman talking about Labor Day in Izia incessantly.

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<v Speaker 4>The woman talking in my ear was talking about the

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<v Speaker 4>Labor Day special repeatedly every time we went to a st.

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<v Speaker 14>Get out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is filmmaker and journalist Army Horoids Army.

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<v Speaker 2>The Biden administration has set records for illegal immigration, losing

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<v Speaker 2>complete control of that southern border. We've talked about it often,

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<v Speaker 2>and that crisis is set to worsen, with illegal migrants

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<v Speaker 2>using what could be the final months of Biden's presidency

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<v Speaker 2>to rush across the border before a second Trump term.

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<v Speaker 2>To Columbian illegal migrants across the border in Arizona last week,

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<v Speaker 2>told the New York Posts that they fear the election

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<v Speaker 2>will make border crossings Hotta saying we don't want Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fakes volumes, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, No, it.

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<v Speaker 12>Says everything about where we are and where the election

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<v Speaker 12>is going. Frankly, I mean, look, I've been to the border,

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 12>unlike Kamala Harris, and I've spoken to these migrs across

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<v Speaker 12>coming across, and they don't hide the fact. They don't

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 12>hide the ball. They say, look, we're here because we

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 12>know we can get in under the Biden administration. We

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 12>didn't coump under the Trump administration because we couldn't get

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 12>in as simple as that rita. But this administration is

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<v Speaker 12>so bad at this, never mind the demographic consequences, the

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<v Speaker 12>economic consequences to the US of having seven million people

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<v Speaker 12>across the border illegally, just from an electoral standpoint, just

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<v Speaker 12>from the fact that this is the number two issue

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<v Speaker 12>in our country. You're really gonna fail at that knowing

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 12>that it is going to cost you the election. Biden

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<v Speaker 12>is so bad and I again I've said it before,

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<v Speaker 12>perhaps off to the Texas governor, the Florida governor, who

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 12>at the time were just political theater when they took

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 12>the migrants and they shipped them to blue states and

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 12>blue cities across the country. Turned out to be an

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 12>absolute massive win politically because it had actually turned the

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 12>tide of people who live in this big cities who

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 12>are now saying we cannot deal with this problem.

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<v Speaker 6>It is absolute brilliance.

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<v Speaker 12>And this topic, along with inflation, is going to sink

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<v Speaker 12>the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all those sanctuary cities where they don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants anymore. They love to have

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 2>that title, but they don't want to actually put it

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<v Speaker 2>into practice. Now to Donald Trump's trial in Manhattan, He's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be testifying in this criminal trial, and

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>it comes, as Alan Dershowitz writes in The New York Post,

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<v Speaker 2>just when I thought this case couldn't be any more bizarre,

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I read this piece. He said, there's never been in

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<v Speaker 2>such a spectacle as this hush money criminal trial against Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point in the trial, Judge Merchant cleared out

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 2>the courtroom after a witness for the defense, Robert Costello,

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<v Speaker 2>raised his eyebrows at one of his rulings. Joshiwitz wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason, I was allowed to stay and I

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>observed one of the most remarkable wrongheaded biases.

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I have ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge actually threatened to strike all of Costello's testimony.

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<v Speaker 3>If he raised his eyebrows again, Army.

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<v Speaker 2>Just when you think this case couldn't be any more

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>crazy or corrupt, you read something like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, it's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 12>I think the issue, at least for me, I think

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<v Speaker 12>the biggest issue is the contrasting coverage of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 12>The problem is it's not being televised. Okay, so it's

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 12>not being televised. Really, you're just at the whim of

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 12>the biased interpreters of what they are watching. So if

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 12>you're watching for and I've watched both. You watch CNN,

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 12>for example, you think that the prosecution is destroying the

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<v Speaker 12>defense and that Trump is one hundred percent going to

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 12>be prosecuted. If you watch Fox News, it's the exact opposite.

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 12>They're saying, there's no question Trump is.

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<v Speaker 6>Gonna be acquitted.

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<v Speaker 12>They look at a guy like they look at a

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<v Speaker 12>guy like the judge Merchand if you do watch CNN,

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.879
<v Speaker 12>he's the greatest judge we've ever seen. If you watch

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<v Speaker 12>Fox News, he's totally biased. We don't know because we

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<v Speaker 12>can't watch this ourselves. Now, I will tell you this.

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<v Speaker 12>I know I'm not a lawyer, but I'm playing one

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<v Speaker 12>on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 6>One thing you don't want to do is you don't.

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<v Speaker 12>Want to demonize the judge when you're not really playing

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<v Speaker 12>to the court of public opinion, you're playing to the

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 12>jurors themselves. The one thing I have been a juror,

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<v Speaker 12>and the one thing I can tell you is that

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 12>the jurors have a special connection to the judge. They're

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 12>not thinking about politics. What they know is he was

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 12>there when they were first chosen, he was there when

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 12>he walked them through the process, he's there when they

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:00.720
<v Speaker 12>have lunch.

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<v Speaker 6>They have a deep connection with it.

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<v Speaker 12>They don't like when the prosecution continuously attacks the joke.

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<v Speaker 12>So I think that is a tactical mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>But the worst part is we just don't with army.

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<v Speaker 3>Army don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This jury and judge do share a deep connection. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a hatred.

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, please, let's not pretend that this is some

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of unbiased trial in an unbiased territory. This is

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 2>deep Democrat territory where the jury pool comes from a

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 2>very Democrat voting base and we've seen just the elements

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>of this trial that are unlike anything else legal experts

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>who observe these things for years have seen. So I

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 2>take your point about the different coverage, but I would

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>argue the most conservatives expect to see a conviction in

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>this case, but they don't see it that way because

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 2>they think Donald Trump's getting a fair trial. They see

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 2>it because it seems to be almost predetermined. But then

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>it will be appealed and probably overturned at some later date.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to get your response to this next issue, Armie.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the reaction we've seen to the Biden

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 2>White House offering its condolences to the butcher of Tehran,

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Ibraham Racey, who died in a helicopter crash early this week.

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Just the moral decay that would see an administration offer

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 2>condolences to this monster who tortured pregnant women and slaughtered

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 2>thousands of innocent people. Has there been much backlash or

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<v Speaker 2>are we used to this sort of degeneracy now?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and again I can think of Bears repeating he's

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 12>called the butcher of Tehran for a reason, not just

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 12>what you just mentioned before that you've done in the

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 12>ten thousand people he kill in torture. But I want

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 12>to point out that one particular thing he did, though

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 12>was particular deviousness, is that before he murdered some very

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 12>young women who were virgins, and since there is a

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 12>prohibition against killing a virgin, the girls would be raped

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 12>before they were hugged, so they could legally be killed.

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 12>This is the kind of deviant monster we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 12>And first let me talk about the UN real quick

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 12>another cesspool of deviancy, where they lowered the flag to

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 12>half mass and they had a moment of silence for

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 12>this animal. They didn't have a moment of silence for

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 12>the twelve hundred Israelies who were raped and murdered on

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 12>October seventh, but they did for the Iranian president.

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<v Speaker 6>Now you expect that from the UN. I covered the

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<v Speaker 6>UN for five years.

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<v Speaker 12>I know how disgusting that place is, the moral equivalency,

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 12>the lack of morals when it comes to that place.

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 12>But like you said, to have the State Department and

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:57.799
<v Speaker 12>by extension, the Biden administration put out their condolences. I

0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 12>don't know what they're playing at. I don't know what

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:01.919
<v Speaker 12>the point is. I don't even know why they would

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 12>do that. The only thing I can think about is

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 12>this this bizarre notion that we have to befriend our

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 12>enemies so they can understand.

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 6>That we're not the bad guys.

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 12>We're not the guys you should be going after, go

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 12>after the other people. That's the only way I can

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 12>rationalize this. And of course it look you could look

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 12>at the Bidam. I will say this, at least the

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 12>Bide administration showed outrage for the ICC ruling against Israel,

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 12>But the IC really happened, not in small part because

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 12>the Biden administration publicly said that Israel was going after

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<v Speaker 12>and targeting civilians and ban weapons.

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<v Speaker 6>If you don't think that played a role in that,

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<v Speaker 6>you're crazy.

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<v Speaker 12>So I think all of this is kind of is

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 12>kind of coming together and coalescing, and it, you know,

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 12>to the point where we're actually having a moment of

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 12>silence for a depraved human being like the president, former

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 12>president thankfully of Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think a lot of people watch that at

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the UN and their first thought was let's defund the UN,

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>let's get out of their mi Horowitz, thank you so

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.240
<v Speaker 2>much for your time this evening still to kam Iran

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 2>sentences a musician to death for taking a stand against

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 2>the brutal Islamist regime. Human Khalili joins me. Next, welcome back.

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 2>My next guess is on a mission to unite the

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 2>women protesting against the Iranian regime with.

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 3>The Jewish people of Israel through art.

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Whoman Khalili has designed eleven murals in Israel and two

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 2>in the US in support of the women life freedom

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>movement in Iran that started after the death of Masa

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Amini at the hands of the state's morality police. Likening

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the female protesters to the Hebrew heroine Esther, Khalili is

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 2>hoping to show those fighting for freedom and liberty in

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Iran that the Jewish people stand with them.

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Whom and Khleli joins me.

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Now, what inspired you to undertake this project and to

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 2>unite these two people whose countries are effectively at war?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Rita for having me. I'm really honored to

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 5>be here. Yeah. I know.

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 13>When this revolution started September sixteenth, twenty twenty two, I

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 13>was watching it from a distance. I'm a filmmaker. The

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.799
<v Speaker 13>idea of creating murals was brought to me.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 5>I helped birth the.

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 13>Mural in San Francisco because of the picture going.

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 5>Viral on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 13>The former Vice President of Jerusalem found me Flur Hassen

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 13>and another really prominent Israeli Emily Schrader, and they said, listen,

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 13>we want murals in support of the Iranian women here

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 13>in Israel. We want to show the world that we

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 13>choose are standing with the freedom fighting women of Iran.

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 13>So I, you know, being raised in church loving Jesus,

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 13>I thought, God, I think you're calling.

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 5>So I jumped on a plane and met with Flura

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 5>Hassan Uh.

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 13>We had a quick conversation, and miraculously, twenty six days later.

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.879
<v Speaker 5>The first mural was born in Jerusalem.

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 13>And when that mural went up on January ninth, twenty

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 13>twenty three, for one day, the eyes of the world

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 13>came upon Israel, and Israel had the very best press.

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 13>Everybody loved the state of Israel on January ninth because

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.840
<v Speaker 13>that was the first mural in the Middle East in

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 13>support of the freedom fighting women of Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Now your latest mural honors rapper too, muje Salihi, who

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 2>has been sentenced to death by the Iranian Revolutionary Court

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>on charges they accuse him of corruption on Earth. What

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>he actually did was protest against the Iranian regime.

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 3>He took stand with the women of Iran.

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 2>He's reportedly been tortured and now faces a death sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any hope that international attention and pressure can

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 2>save him.

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a great question.

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 13>You know, Tomage is arguably the most famous musician in

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 13>all of Iran. Right now, you've got multiplay reaching out

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 13>to the international community.

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:30.760
<v Speaker 5>You most recently had sting.

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 13>And this man is such a person of principle. He

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 13>won't concede to the demands of the Islamic regime. He

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 13>is holding his hard line stand, criticizing them. Once again,

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.320
<v Speaker 13>Emily Schrader called and said, it's time to do a

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 13>mural of homage here in Israel. Once again, the State

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 13>of Israel said, please come do this mural here. And

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 13>so the only two murals I know of of Toomage

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 13>in the world are in the State of Israel. Once again,

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 13>Israel is saying, look, we are standing with the even

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 13>during a time of war. We are standing with the

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.720
<v Speaker 13>freedom fighting women and the freedom fighting people of Iran.

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:19.280
<v Speaker 13>And you know, this opens up a wider question, which

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 13>is when you look at the murals of the world

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 13>and support the woman life freedom murals. You know, You've

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 13>got many in the United States, many in Australia, Europe, Canada.

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 13>But the only country in the Middle East standing with

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 13>the freedom fighting women of Iran is Israel.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 5>To date, there are no murals in.

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 13>Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Gitar Lebanon, UAE, Saudi Arabia. I cannot

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:54.280
<v Speaker 13>understand this unbelievable criticism for Israel when Israel is saying

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 13>we love the Persian people even.

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 5>During a time of war. We are standing with the

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 5>women of Iran.

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 3>You know what.

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And we've seen similar sentiments from young people in Iran.

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I've seen footage of students refusing to walk on the

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Israelian American flags of the regime paints that they're supposed

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 2>to stomp on. They make an effort to walk around them.

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 2>So there is this goodwill amongst the populations. Your work

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 2>is beautiful.

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.359
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for your time this evening.

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 5>My pleasure. And one last thing.

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<v Speaker 13>Ninety five percent of the people in Iran stand with

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 13>the State of Israel, and that is a beautiful thing.

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 3>That's it from me.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next is Newsnight. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night,