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Speaker 1: On scoring US Australia. It's the Reader Panehy Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight. The Victorian government refuses to rule out reparations

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Speaker 2: in its treaty negotiations.

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Speaker 3: Jewish students quitting.

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Speaker 2: Their University of Melbourne courses in response to heighten anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism on campus. The Great Douglas Murray joins me shortly

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Speaker 2: and he has a message for the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 2: the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to miss that. That comes after Penny Wong,

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Speaker 3: through a department.

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Speaker 2: Endorsed the extraordinary ICC decision to seek the arrest of

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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettan Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: M Horowitz with the latest from.

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Speaker 2: The US and as always will bring you lefties losing

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Speaker 2: it tonight it's an ABC and MSNBC extravaganza.

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Speaker 4: Stop the hammering out there.

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Speaker 5: Who's got a hammer?

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Speaker 6: Where is it?

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Speaker 4: Where's the hammer is it? I'm the go up on

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Speaker 4: the other floor. Somebody go up there and stop the hammering.

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Speaker 4: Stop the hammering.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is the Deputy Executive Director of the

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Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild. Daniel let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the Victorian Labor Party. They've been in power for so long,

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Speaker 2: seen so strong, but there's a poll out today in

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Speaker 2: the Age showing that they are no longer heading the

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Speaker 2: Liberals by wide margin.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they're trailing.

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Speaker 2: This is according to the latest Resolved Strategic poll which

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Speaker 2: shows the Allen government is at twenty eight percent, an

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Speaker 2: eleven point decline since Stan Andrews resigned as premier and

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Speaker 2: Justinto Allen took over, the coalition sits at thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 3: That's a nine point lead Dan.

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Speaker 2: If this poll is accurate, then could John Pursuto, Puller

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Speaker 2: Stephen Bradbury.

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Speaker 7: Well, look, I think it's certainly possible the Liberals Nationals

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Speaker 7: could win. The government is declining and rapidly and the

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Speaker 7: reason for that is the economic pain that is being

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Speaker 7: inflicted upon Victorians. We know their budget spending has grown

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Speaker 7: at half the rate as the economy, or the economy

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Speaker 7: is half the rate of spending, and that's.

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Speaker 8: Why debt is going up.

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Speaker 7: Victorians are also, i think bitterly disappointed at what happened

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Speaker 7: during COVID and the lack of political accountability there, and

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Speaker 7: then it's just becoming a reality that as we see

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Speaker 7: these projects that aren't getting done on time, that are

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Speaker 7: over budget, that businesses are leaving, that the pain is

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Speaker 7: starting to be felt, and that's why the numbers are

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Speaker 2: And we had Victorians, the majority of them vote know

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Speaker 2: in the race based referendum. But the state government is

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Speaker 2: pressing ahead with a treaty, and the Herald Sun reports

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Speaker 2: so the Allen government has refused to rule out reparations

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Speaker 2: or giving compulsorily acquired private.

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Speaker 3: Property to indigenous groups.

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Speaker 2: Minister for Jobs and Industry, Women and Treaty and First

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Speaker 2: People's Natalie Hutchins said, after two hundred years colonization, where

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Speaker 2: this state took away lands in the settlement, murdered people

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Speaker 2: and took away culture and language, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: be ruling anything in or out as we go to

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Speaker 2: the negotiation table in regards to treaty. Dan I wrote

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Speaker 2: about this in today's Herald's son This is the sort

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Speaker 2: of undergraduate neo Marxist retric you'd expect to hear at

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Speaker 2: a student rally, not coming from a senior minister in

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Speaker 2: a state government.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 7: Victorians don't want this and Victorias don't support this. As

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Speaker 7: you rightly say they voted no to the voice nationwide,

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Speaker 7: a sixty percent no vote, including forty percent of labor.

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Speaker 8: Voters who voted no.

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Speaker 7: A treaty and potential reparations are far worse than would

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Speaker 7: have voiced done.

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Speaker 2: If we had a referendum on treaty, it wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: got ten percent, let alone thirty nine percent that the

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Speaker 2: Constitutional recognition got. So this is incredible that the arrogance

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Speaker 2: to press ahead and to have the Minister say we're

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Speaker 2: not ruling anything out, not even compulsorily quite private property

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what the Coalition needs to do at state level

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Speaker 7: is to build upon its growing electoral success or at

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Speaker 7: least in the polls, by muscling up to this weak,

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Speaker 7: divisive Labor government. I believe only Tim Smith spoke out

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Speaker 7: against the treaty at the time. Now they're opposed to it,

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Speaker 7: but it's gone on for too long and they really

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Speaker 7: need to speak up on behalf of mainstream Victorians who

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Speaker 7: are saying I'm going backwards and you're going to be

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Speaker 7: giving massive handouts to one group based on race and

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Speaker 7: won't rule out compulsory acquisition is extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And we've got so many of these neo

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Speaker 2: Marxist activists in senior roles in state labor, people who

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Speaker 2: have never worked outside of the union movement or the

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Speaker 2: Labor Party. And I guess it shouldn't be a surprise

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Speaker 2: we're in the sort of debt that we're in in

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Speaker 2: this state, record amounts of debt, and vig labor also

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Speaker 2: losing favor with frontline workers they cheered on so enthusiastically

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Speaker 2: during the record breaking lockdowns we had here. The state

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Speaker 2: can't afford pay rises demanded by nurses, paramedics, police teachers,

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Speaker 3: Dan, we've got more than two hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 2: Workers who are effectively at war with the Allen government

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 7: Well, look, this is what happens when the economy goes down.

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Speaker 7: You can't pay your bills. And now we're starting to

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Speaker 7: see that. We all knew this day was going to come.

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Speaker 7: We've been saying for years that there will come a

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Speaker 7: point where the Victorian government cannot afford to deliver the

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Speaker 7: services the Victorians need.

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Speaker 8: We are now seeing that.

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Speaker 7: And these are the real world consequences of fiscal and

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Speaker 7: economic mismanagement. It's not just numbers on a page. It's

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Speaker 7: not just the borrowing cost. You know, the interest payments

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Speaker 7: on debt are by far the fastest growing item of

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Speaker 7: Victorian government spending. That's also true at a federal level.

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Speaker 7: But we're now seeing, as I say, the results of

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Speaker 7: this dramatic economic mismanagement, and look, this is the in

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Speaker 7: the coal mine and it's going to.

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Speaker 3: Get worse to Queensland. Now.

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Speaker 2: Premier Stephen Miles is insisting migration is to blame for

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Speaker 2: road congestion and public transport woes in his state. He's

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Speaker 2: a doubled down on his course for the federal government

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Speaker 2: to slash overseas migration numbers by half. He's gopped a

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Speaker 2: bit of criticism over this stand, but I wonder if

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Speaker 2: he does have a point. A state government analysis has

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Speaker 2: found that net overseas migration contributed one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: seven percent increase in trips on Queensland's transport network.

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Speaker 3: So we have sixty.

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Speaker 2: Thousand trips in twenty nineteen to one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: seven thousand trips last year. One hundred and twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: people moved to Queensland last year, and eighty eight thousand

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Speaker 2: of them were overseas migrants.

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Speaker 8: Yell the Premiere of Queensland. It's spot on.

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Speaker 7: He's right to point out that many of the problems

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Speaker 7: we have, whether it's housing, whether it's the congestion on

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Speaker 7: our roads, pressure on social services is from the seem

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Speaker 7: increased to demand from this unplanned mass migration. You know

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Speaker 7: things are bad when even a Labor premier is calling

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Speaker 7: out his federal colleagues on their fouled migration progress.

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Speaker 2: There is an election around the corner that may have

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Speaker 2: something to do.

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Speaker 7: With it, And you make a really good point because

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Speaker 7: I've got to say, those are the words of a

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Speaker 7: man who wants to win.

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Speaker 8: He is willing. He's wedged the coalition.

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Speaker 7: There on or the L and P on net zero,

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Speaker 7: and the LP went along with it, is now wedging

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Speaker 7: them on the migration issue. So look, I think it's

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Speaker 7: it's probably back to even Stevens in terms of that election.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he has played it very well, indeed, and the

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Speaker 2: L ANDP that massive own goal by signing up to

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Speaker 2: Labour's Bolder mission targets. Now they've really taken out that issue,

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Speaker 2: cost of living, energy policy out of the equation, and

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Speaker 2: he seems to be coming in stronger than even they

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Speaker 2: are on something that people care passionately about, and that's

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Speaker 2: migration numbers, even though it's a federal issue not a

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Speaker 2: state issue. Now an increase the number of Jewish students

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Speaker 2: at the University of Melbourne are dropping out, deferring placement,

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Speaker 2: or fleeing campus altogether, as pro Palestinian activists continue to

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Speaker 2: occupy buildings on the Parkville campus. The Arts West building

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Speaker 2: has been occupied for over a week now by students

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Speaker 2: who are refusing to move. They've even renamed it Mahmud

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Speaker 2: Hall after a Gaza victim. They struck classes for seventeen

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Speaker 2: thousand students.

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Speaker 3: What action is the.

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Speaker 2: University taking down to restore order here?

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Speaker 3: It seems to be very little, indeed very little.

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Speaker 8: They're allowing it to happen.

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Speaker 7: They've given into the worst of the campus protests students.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you talk to students that are they can't

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Speaker 7: go to class, they can't study. I mean some of

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Speaker 7: them are trying to do exams. They can't go to

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Speaker 7: the library and study because they're all side chanting.

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Speaker 8: So how come these.

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Speaker 7: Students are paying thousands of thousands of dollars and they're

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Speaker 7: not even receiving an education. The universities need to be

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Speaker 7: rebating the students who can't go to class.

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Speaker 8: It's a complete disgrace.

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Speaker 7: And the other point to make here is, of course

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Speaker 7: you can have your say, but this is a university.

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Speaker 7: You're there to be educated, you're there to learn, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Just has gone far beyond the protest that they've got

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Speaker 2: caps set up. I mean, surely that's against the rules

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Speaker 2: and regulations.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure they are clear them out. How hard is

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Speaker 7: it for them to clear them out? But this is

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Speaker 7: the point reader these universities, in the vice chancellor's lack

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Speaker 7: moral courage, they will not do it. They'll take in

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Speaker 7: the international students for the money. They're diminishing the quality

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Speaker 7: of education, and they won't stand up to this bullying behavior.

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Speaker 8: They are as a cohort of disgrace.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for a time this evening.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Douglas Murray, best selling author of The

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Speaker 2: Strange Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, and his

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Speaker 2: latest work, The War on the West. Douglas will get

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Speaker 2: to the ICC shortly, but first today we learned through

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Speaker 2: our new court filing that was unsealed today, the Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice authorize the use of deadly force. When FBI

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Speaker 2: agents executed a raid at President Donald Trump's Marra Lago

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Speaker 2: residents in August twenty twenty two, this seems all a

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Speaker 2: bit heavy handed, Douglas when looking for classified documents.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I mean, when this first happened, I said to you,

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Speaker 9: I mean, the best interpretation was that some librarians in

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Speaker 9: the National Archives got cross But who knew that librarians

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Speaker 9: could send in the gunman. I wonder if the same

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Speaker 9: consideration of lethal force was ever considered when documents needed

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Speaker 9: to be retrieved from President Biden's chevrolet and his garage

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Speaker 9: and various other places. It just seems extraordinary to me,

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Speaker 9: as I think it will to most viewers. After all,

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Speaker 9: what would the FBI have been expecting. Were they expecting

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Speaker 9: a sort of standoff? Were they expecting to shoot security

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Speaker 9: officers and others who, of course would surround President Trump

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Speaker 9: at all times anyway, in and out of office. It

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Speaker 9: seems extraordinary to me, and could have been if it

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Speaker 9: had been followed through on one of those absolute keroscene

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Speaker 9: on the fire events that everybody in American politics is

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Speaker 9: ratefully fearful of.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, these threats to democracy we keep hearing about

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Speaker 2: now let's go to the ICC. And you warned us

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Speaker 2: about the International Criminal Court and its chief prosecutor, Kareem

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Speaker 2: Khan some time ago, and you were right on the money.

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Speaker 2: Khan has now defended his recommendation of arrest warrants for

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Speaker 9: People have to remember that the ICC, the International Criminal Court,

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Speaker 9: I'm fascinated that Khan has immediately decided to go for

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Speaker 9: He singled out the one Jewish state in the world

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Speaker 9: He's not interested in pursuing all of these Muslim leaders

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Speaker 9: No he's gone for the democratically elected leader of the

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Speaker 9: The Court has no jurisdiction over this, and it is

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: We have a list of the experts who back the

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Speaker 9: That these are all more preposterous political ideologues pretending to

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Speaker 1: In the UK.

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Speaker 1: In the world. But he waited and did it at.

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Speaker 9: The same time as going for or claiming that he's

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Speaker 9: it is the unenviable task of getting the hostages home

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Speaker 9: I say, highly motivated, highly political at best. The whole

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Speaker 9: It has no jurisdiction in this matters, nor should it.

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Speaker 9: they will be coming for an Australian Prime minister next

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Speaker 9: and they have no more right.

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Speaker 2: There, You're one hundred percent right there. And then the

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Speaker 3: It is such a clear political move to put.

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Speaker 2: our Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi has been a shamefully weak

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from the Prime Minister first.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let

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Speaker 2: Apparently he can't make any comment on court cases overseas.

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Speaker 9: History will be horrible to them.

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Speaker 2: On those wrongheaded students have seen them across university campuses

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Speaker 2: it'll be enough to see them remove their masks. Douglas,

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Speaker 9: Same thing in the UK where the brave students at

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Speaker 1: So what do I do? I go all twenty twenty.

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Speaker 9: And I put a mask on, and the authorities in

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Speaker 9: Marria with their faces covered with the ku Klux Klan. Now,

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Speaker 9: But I'd say to them, to you the phrase that

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Speaker 2: point after they put them in handcuffs to remove their

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Speaker 2: mand asks, and they did not.

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Speaker 3: Seem to enjoy that at all.

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Speaker 2: Now to the UK quickly, where The Times is reporting

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Speaker 2: that police are being told to make fewer arrests because

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Speaker 2: of the lack of space in prisons. Yes, Chief constables

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Speaker 2: are being advised to consider pausing non priority arrests and

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Speaker 2: also suspend operations that may trigger large number of arrests

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Speaker 2: until there is enough capacity in the prison system.

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Speaker 3: What could go wrong with that? Douglas, I have.

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Speaker 9: To say the UK police advice is late. The UK

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Speaker 9: police don't bother arresting anyone anyway, I mean unless obviously,

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Speaker 9: for instance, you've tweeted something out about a trans child

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Speaker 9: perhaps not being operated on and molested by pervy surgeons.

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Speaker 9: But you know, if you have your house rob and

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Speaker 9: I mentioned this to you before, reata half the police

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Speaker 9: forces in England and Wales haven't made one rest in

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Speaker 9: recent years for burglary.

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Speaker 1: Not one.

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Speaker 9: So actually this advice, and it's always the most ridiculous

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Speaker 9: advice that you know, we're running out of prison places,

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Speaker 9: so let's just arrest fewer criminals. As opposed to it,

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Speaker 9: we will build as many prison places as there are

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Speaker 9: criminals who need to go into them. No, they're worried

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Speaker 9: about the number of people in prisons and they don't

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Speaker 9: need to worry the way that the police in Britain

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Speaker 9: are going. The prisons may be filled with tweet crime people,

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Speaker 9: but are there won't be any burglars and of course,

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Speaker 9: as we know from Sadi Khan's London, there aren't any

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Speaker 9: stabbers or murderers. So actually I'm amazed as any shortage

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Speaker 9: of prison spaces. I'd have thought that if you did

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Speaker 9: have the bad luck to be locked up in choking

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Speaker 9: in the UK these days, you'd be able to effectively hot.

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Speaker 1: Desk it are among the cells.

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Speaker 9: You probably have your choice of cell because most of

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Speaker 9: them are empty because the police can't arrest anyone for

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Speaker 9: any actual crime.

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Speaker 1: Haven't bothered in years.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Before you go, I want to get your opinion on

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Speaker 2: this new therapy craze that seems to be very popular

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Speaker 2: with some women who are going to the woods and

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Speaker 2: just scream and bash the ground with sticks.

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Speaker 11: It's called rage therapy, is.

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Speaker 3: A rage ritual.

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Speaker 2: Therapies can be a costly affair. If you're on the

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Speaker 2: full package, it can cost upwards of four thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: money well spent, Douglas.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it struck me that a few of them

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Speaker 9: just ought to take it out by going to the gym.

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Speaker 9: It'd be cheaper and necessary.

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Speaker 1: Not to want to body shame anyone. But there's something

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Speaker 1: just so.

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Speaker 9: It's a sort of civilizational breakdown thing.

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Speaker 5: This.

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Speaker 9: You know, we have somebody there saying they feel sad,

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Speaker 9: and another one feels afraid. I hate to break it

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Speaker 9: to them, but if any of them are watching, human

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Speaker 9: life is sad, is also joyful. Youse are sometimes going

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Speaker 9: to be afraid in your life, and sometimes you won't be.

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Speaker 1: You might even be brave.

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Speaker 9: Human life one of the great things about it is

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Speaker 9: it's filled with lots of emotions, but in general it's

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Speaker 9: a good idea to keep them in check and keep

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Speaker 9: yourself sane. And one of the ways in which you

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Speaker 9: can tell that you're not being sane is when you're

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Speaker 9: standing in the middle of a wood being rinsed for

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Speaker 9: four thousand bucks by some charlattan smashing the ground and screaming.

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Speaker 9: That's a sign that you've not got it together. And

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Speaker 9: an overpriced stick beating on the ground session ain't gonna

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Speaker 9: help you.

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Speaker 1: I would argue.

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Speaker 9: All sorts of other things could, but these are just

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Speaker 9: people whose lives are not together. I wish some luck,

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Speaker 9: but this isn't going to put it together. They are

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Speaker 9: going to have to do a lot more work than

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Speaker 9: this rita.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but at least they're outdoors in the woods getting

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Speaker 2: some fresh air.

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Speaker 3: Let's look at the possles. Douglas Murray, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Each they're not online.

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Speaker 9: At least they're not online screaming like that as many

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Speaker 9: people are. At least they're doing it in the woods, offline, precisely.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Douglas Murray.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Still to come a special ABC MSNBC edition of Lefties

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Speaker 2: Losing It, and Armi Horowitz joins me with the latest

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Speaker 2: from the US.

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Speaker 3: You will not believe what the.

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Speaker 2: Judge in the Trump trial has done. Now, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time for Lefties losing it and the ladies

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Speaker 2: of the view are the gift that.

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Speaker 3: Keeps on giving. So much Lefty is losing its content

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Speaker 3: each and every week. And today it's.

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Speaker 2: The ironically named joy Beha who stars with this bit

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Speaker 2: of derangement.

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Speaker 4: You keep wearing that red hat that says make America

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Speaker 4: great Again, that tells people, then you go along.

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Speaker 12: With this, so you must well just put a swastika

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Speaker 12: on the hat.

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Speaker 13: Don't worry, that's because we see it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yep, she's bonkers and devoid of joy. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: becoming so unhinged by a making America great Again cap?

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Speaker 3: And we have more joy for you, not real joy.

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Speaker 2: The bitter lefty losing it type here admitting that she's

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Speaker 2: not honest with her audience about Joe Biden's failings because

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Speaker 2: she doesn't want to help Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: So but I'm nervous about saying anything against Biden because

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Speaker 14: I feel, you know, not.

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Speaker 2: That I have so much power and you have some

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Speaker 2: them than I do, obviously, But are you afraid that.

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Speaker 3: You might you know, and influence of people.

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Speaker 5: Who are on the fact, I think you lose all

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Speaker 5: credibility I do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my bond with my audience has always been

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Speaker 3: I don't pull a punch.

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Speaker 14: My bond with my orient is You're not going to

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Speaker 14: like everything I say, but you know I'm saying what

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Speaker 14: I really think is true.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was some subtle shade thrown by Ma, and

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Speaker 2: that wasn't.

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Speaker 3: The worst of it.

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Speaker 2: Here, Joy claims that Biden's brain is still good.

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Speaker 3: He's great.

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Speaker 5: We are not young, but we don't present as old

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Speaker 5: Biden does.

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Speaker 1: I saw him yesterday making that speech.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry he's cadaver like, but his brain

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Speaker 5: is good.

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Speaker 3: He's still great. Oh that is just unintentionally hilarious.

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Speaker 2: And now to more unintentional hilarity from the male version

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Speaker 2: of Joy Beha MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell. He had this

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Speaker 2: analysis on Michael Cohen's disastrous testimony where the serial perjura

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Speaker 2: admitted to being a thief who stole thirty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: from the Trump organized.

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Speaker 14: Yes, he stalled thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin was

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Speaker 14: asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it didn't

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Speaker 14: really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars. It sounded a

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Speaker 14: lot like Michael Cohen doing the little that he could

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Speaker 14: within that calculation to rebalance the bonus sea fighting deserves,

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Speaker 14: and it still came out as less than the bonus

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Speaker 14: sea fighting deserved.

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Speaker 3: Did you get that?

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Speaker 2: So if you think you're entitled to something, you can

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Speaker 2: just take it.

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Speaker 3: That's not really stealing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence actually said it sounded like Cohen doing what

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Speaker 2: he could to rebalance the bonus.

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Speaker 3: He thought he deserved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, left is losing it indeed, And it's not

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Speaker 2: the first time Lawrence has embarrassed himself.

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Speaker 3: Reporting on this trial.

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Speaker 2: Remember is bizarre creepy description of Stormy Daniels.

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Speaker 14: At ten two am entered wearing all black as if

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Speaker 14: on her way to a funeral. The loose fitting, plain

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Speaker 14: black clothing draping from her shoulders to her toes suggested.

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Speaker 6: The modesty of a nun.

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Speaker 14: The makeup was minimal, the way she and the other

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Speaker 14: moms in her neighborhood might look when shopping at the

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Speaker 14: local grocery store. The long blonde hair held up with

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Speaker 14: a clip at the back of her head, the way

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Speaker 14: it might be in a utilitarian way while she was

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Speaker 14: doing dishes or checking one of the horse shoes on her.

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Speaker 3: Horse checking horseshoes. The modesty of a nun. Stormy Daniels,

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Speaker 3: really this bizarre and creepy.

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Speaker 2: I think I was under selling it with that. But

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Speaker 2: the best Lawrence clip of all time, if you ask me,

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Speaker 2: is from when Trump was president and MSNBC was extra crazy.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy this leaked footage where he is sure he can

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Speaker 2: hear a hammer, a hammer no one else can hear,

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Speaker 2: and it makes.

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Speaker 3: Him very angry.

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Speaker 14: Indeed, James Fellows and Josh Arnest, thank you both for

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Speaker 14: joining us and I really appreciate it. Coming up, is

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump going to be called to testify to Congress?

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Speaker 14: Michael Liscoff has the latest on that.

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Speaker 4: Stop the hammering. Stop the hammering out there?

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Speaker 5: Who's got a hammer? Where is it?

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Speaker 4: Where's the hammer Is it on the go up on

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Speaker 4: the other floor. Somebody go up there and stop the hammering.

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Speaker 4: Stop the hammering. I'll go down to the goddamn floor

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Speaker 4: myself and stop it. Keep the goddamn commercial break going.

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Speaker 4: Call Phil Griffin. I don't care who you have to call.

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Speaker 4: Stop the hammering. Empty out the goddamn control room and

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Speaker 4: find out where this is going on. It's either there

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Speaker 4: or there or out there somewhere.

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Speaker 2: He seems agitated, But it wasn't just the hammering. There's

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Speaker 2: also a woman talking about Labor Day in Izia incessantly.

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Speaker 4: The woman talking in my ear was talking about the

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Speaker 4: Labor Day special repeatedly every time we went to a st.

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Speaker 14: Get out of control.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is filmmaker and journalist Army Horoids Army.

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Speaker 2: The Biden administration has set records for illegal immigration, losing

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Speaker 2: complete control of that southern border. We've talked about it often,

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Speaker 2: and that crisis is set to worsen, with illegal migrants

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Speaker 2: using what could be the final months of Biden's presidency

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Speaker 2: to rush across the border before a second Trump term.

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Speaker 2: To Columbian illegal migrants across the border in Arizona last week,

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Speaker 2: told the New York Posts that they fear the election

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Speaker 2: will make border crossings Hotta saying we don't want Trump.

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Speaker 3: That's fakes volumes, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it.

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Speaker 12: Says everything about where we are and where the election

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Speaker 12: is going. Frankly, I mean, look, I've been to the border,

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Speaker 12: unlike Kamala Harris, and I've spoken to these migrs across

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Speaker 12: coming across, and they don't hide the fact. They don't

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Speaker 12: hide the ball. They say, look, we're here because we

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Speaker 12: know we can get in under the Biden administration. We

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Speaker 12: didn't coump under the Trump administration because we couldn't get

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Speaker 12: in as simple as that rita. But this administration is

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Speaker 12: so bad at this, never mind the demographic consequences, the

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Speaker 12: economic consequences to the US of having seven million people

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Speaker 12: across the border illegally, just from an electoral standpoint, just

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Speaker 12: from the fact that this is the number two issue

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Speaker 12: in our country. You're really gonna fail at that knowing

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Speaker 12: that it is going to cost you the election. Biden

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Speaker 12: is so bad and I again I've said it before,

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Speaker 12: perhaps off to the Texas governor, the Florida governor, who

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Speaker 12: at the time were just political theater when they took

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Speaker 12: the migrants and they shipped them to blue states and

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Speaker 12: blue cities across the country. Turned out to be an

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Speaker 12: absolute massive win politically because it had actually turned the

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Speaker 12: tide of people who live in this big cities who

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Speaker 12: are now saying we cannot deal with this problem.

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Speaker 6: It is absolute brilliance.

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Speaker 12: And this topic, along with inflation, is going to sink

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Speaker 12: the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all those sanctuary cities where they don't want to

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Speaker 2: provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants anymore. They love to have

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Speaker 2: that title, but they don't want to actually put it

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Speaker 2: into practice. Now to Donald Trump's trial in Manhattan, He's

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Speaker 2: not going to be testifying in this criminal trial, and

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Speaker 2: it comes, as Alan Dershowitz writes in The New York Post,

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Speaker 2: just when I thought this case couldn't be any more bizarre,

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Speaker 2: I read this piece. He said, there's never been in

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Speaker 2: such a spectacle as this hush money criminal trial against Trump.

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Speaker 2: At one point in the trial, Judge Merchant cleared out

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Speaker 2: the courtroom after a witness for the defense, Robert Costello,

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Speaker 2: raised his eyebrows at one of his rulings. Joshiwitz wrote,

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Speaker 2: for some reason, I was allowed to stay and I

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Speaker 2: observed one of the most remarkable wrongheaded biases.

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Speaker 3: I have ever seen.

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Speaker 2: The judge actually threatened to strike all of Costello's testimony.

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Speaker 3: If he raised his eyebrows again, Army.

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Speaker 2: Just when you think this case couldn't be any more

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Speaker 2: crazy or corrupt, you read something like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 12: I think the issue, at least for me, I think

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Speaker 12: the biggest issue is the contrasting coverage of what's going on.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 12: The problem is it's not being televised. Okay, so it's

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Speaker 12: not being televised. Really, you're just at the whim of

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Speaker 12: the biased interpreters of what they are watching. So if

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Speaker 12: you're watching for and I've watched both. You watch CNN,

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Speaker 12: for example, you think that the prosecution is destroying the

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Speaker 12: defense and that Trump is one hundred percent going to

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Speaker 12: be prosecuted. If you watch Fox News, it's the exact opposite.

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Speaker 12: They're saying, there's no question Trump is.

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Speaker 6: Gonna be acquitted.

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Speaker 12: They look at a guy like they look at a

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Speaker 12: guy like the judge Merchand if you do watch CNN,

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Speaker 12: he's the greatest judge we've ever seen. If you watch

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Speaker 12: Fox News, he's totally biased. We don't know because we

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Speaker 12: can't watch this ourselves. Now, I will tell you this.

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Speaker 12: I know I'm not a lawyer, but I'm playing one

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Speaker 12: on Sky News.

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Speaker 6: One thing you don't want to do is you don't.

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Speaker 12: Want to demonize the judge when you're not really playing

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Speaker 12: to the court of public opinion, you're playing to the

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Speaker 12: jurors themselves. The one thing I have been a juror,

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Speaker 12: and the one thing I can tell you is that

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Speaker 12: the jurors have a special connection to the judge. They're

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Speaker 12: not thinking about politics. What they know is he was

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Speaker 12: there when they were first chosen, he was there when

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Speaker 12: he walked them through the process, he's there when they

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Speaker 12: have lunch.

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Speaker 6: They have a deep connection with it.

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Speaker 12: They don't like when the prosecution continuously attacks the joke.

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Speaker 12: So I think that is a tactical mistake.

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Speaker 6: But the worst part is we just don't with army.

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Speaker 3: Army don't know.

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Speaker 2: This jury and judge do share a deep connection. It's

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Speaker 2: a hatred.

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Speaker 3: Of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, please, let's not pretend that this is some

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Speaker 2: sort of unbiased trial in an unbiased territory. This is

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Speaker 2: deep Democrat territory where the jury pool comes from a

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Speaker 2: very Democrat voting base and we've seen just the elements

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Speaker 2: of this trial that are unlike anything else legal experts

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Speaker 2: who observe these things for years have seen. So I

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Speaker 2: take your point about the different coverage, but I would

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Speaker 2: argue the most conservatives expect to see a conviction in

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Speaker 2: this case, but they don't see it that way because

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Speaker 2: they think Donald Trump's getting a fair trial. They see

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Speaker 2: it because it seems to be almost predetermined. But then

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Speaker 2: it will be appealed and probably overturned at some later date.

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Speaker 2: But I want to get your response to this next issue, Armie.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the reaction we've seen to the Biden

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Speaker 2: White House offering its condolences to the butcher of Tehran,

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Speaker 2: Ibraham Racey, who died in a helicopter crash early this week.

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Speaker 2: Just the moral decay that would see an administration offer

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Speaker 2: condolences to this monster who tortured pregnant women and slaughtered

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Speaker 2: thousands of innocent people. Has there been much backlash or

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Speaker 2: are we used to this sort of degeneracy now?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and again I can think of Bears repeating he's

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Speaker 12: called the butcher of Tehran for a reason, not just

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Speaker 12: what you just mentioned before that you've done in the

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Speaker 12: ten thousand people he kill in torture. But I want

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Speaker 12: to point out that one particular thing he did, though

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Speaker 12: was particular deviousness, is that before he murdered some very

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Speaker 12: young women who were virgins, and since there is a

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Speaker 12: prohibition against killing a virgin, the girls would be raped

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Speaker 12: before they were hugged, so they could legally be killed.

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Speaker 12: This is the kind of deviant monster we're talking about.

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Speaker 12: And first let me talk about the UN real quick

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Speaker 12: another cesspool of deviancy, where they lowered the flag to

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Speaker 12: half mass and they had a moment of silence for

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Speaker 12: this animal. They didn't have a moment of silence for

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Speaker 12: the twelve hundred Israelies who were raped and murdered on

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Speaker 12: October seventh, but they did for the Iranian president.

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Speaker 6: Now you expect that from the UN. I covered the

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Speaker 6: UN for five years.

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Speaker 12: I know how disgusting that place is, the moral equivalency,

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Speaker 12: the lack of morals when it comes to that place.

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Speaker 12: But like you said, to have the State Department and

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Speaker 12: by extension, the Biden administration put out their condolences. I

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Speaker 12: don't know what they're playing at. I don't know what

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Speaker 12: the point is. I don't even know why they would

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Speaker 12: do that. The only thing I can think about is

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Speaker 12: this this bizarre notion that we have to befriend our

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Speaker 12: enemies so they can understand.

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Speaker 6: That we're not the bad guys.

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Speaker 12: We're not the guys you should be going after, go

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Speaker 12: after the other people. That's the only way I can

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Speaker 12: rationalize this. And of course it look you could look

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Speaker 12: at the Bidam. I will say this, at least the

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Speaker 12: Bide administration showed outrage for the ICC ruling against Israel,

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Speaker 12: But the IC really happened, not in small part because

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Speaker 12: the Biden administration publicly said that Israel was going after

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Speaker 12: and targeting civilians and ban weapons.

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Speaker 6: If you don't think that played a role in that,

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Speaker 6: you're crazy.

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Speaker 12: So I think all of this is kind of is

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Speaker 12: kind of coming together and coalescing, and it, you know,

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Speaker 12: to the point where we're actually having a moment of

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Speaker 12: silence for a depraved human being like the president, former

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Speaker 12: president thankfully of Iran.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think a lot of people watch that at

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Speaker 2: the UN and their first thought was let's defund the UN,

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Speaker 2: let's get out of their mi Horowitz, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time this evening still to kam Iran

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Speaker 2: sentences a musician to death for taking a stand against

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Speaker 2: the brutal Islamist regime. Human Khalili joins me. Next, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: My next guess is on a mission to unite the

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Speaker 2: women protesting against the Iranian regime with.

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Speaker 3: The Jewish people of Israel through art.

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Speaker 2: Whoman Khalili has designed eleven murals in Israel and two

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Speaker 2: in the US in support of the women life freedom

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Speaker 2: movement in Iran that started after the death of Masa

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Speaker 2: Amini at the hands of the state's morality police. Likening

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Speaker 2: the female protesters to the Hebrew heroine Esther, Khalili is

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Speaker 2: hoping to show those fighting for freedom and liberty in

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Speaker 2: Iran that the Jewish people stand with them.

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Speaker 3: Whom and Khleli joins me.

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Speaker 2: Now, what inspired you to undertake this project and to

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Speaker 2: unite these two people whose countries are effectively at war?

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Rita for having me. I'm really honored to

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Speaker 5: be here. Yeah. I know.

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Speaker 13: When this revolution started September sixteenth, twenty twenty two, I

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Speaker 13: was watching it from a distance. I'm a filmmaker. The

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Speaker 13: idea of creating murals was brought to me.

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Speaker 5: I helped birth the.

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Speaker 13: Mural in San Francisco because of the picture going.

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Speaker 5: Viral on Instagram.

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Speaker 13: The former Vice President of Jerusalem found me Flur Hassen

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Speaker 13: and another really prominent Israeli Emily Schrader, and they said, listen,

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Speaker 13: we want murals in support of the Iranian women here

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Speaker 13: in Israel. We want to show the world that we

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Speaker 13: choose are standing with the freedom fighting women of Iran.

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Speaker 13: So I, you know, being raised in church loving Jesus,

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Speaker 13: I thought, God, I think you're calling.

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Speaker 5: So I jumped on a plane and met with Flura

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Speaker 5: Hassan Uh.

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Speaker 13: We had a quick conversation, and miraculously, twenty six days later.

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Speaker 5: The first mural was born in Jerusalem.

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Speaker 13: And when that mural went up on January ninth, twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty three, for one day, the eyes of the world

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Speaker 13: came upon Israel, and Israel had the very best press.

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Speaker 13: Everybody loved the state of Israel on January ninth because

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Speaker 13: that was the first mural in the Middle East in

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Speaker 13: support of the freedom fighting women of Iran.

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Speaker 2: Now your latest mural honors rapper too, muje Salihi, who

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Speaker 2: has been sentenced to death by the Iranian Revolutionary Court

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Speaker 2: on charges they accuse him of corruption on Earth. What

836
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Speaker 2: he actually did was protest against the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 3: He took stand with the women of Iran.

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Speaker 2: He's reportedly been tortured and now faces a death sentence.

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Speaker 2: Is there any hope that international attention and pressure can

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Speaker 2: save him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 13: You know, Tomage is arguably the most famous musician in

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Speaker 13: all of Iran. Right now, you've got multiplay reaching out

844
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Speaker 13: to the international community.

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Speaker 5: You most recently had sting.

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Speaker 13: And this man is such a person of principle. He

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Speaker 13: won't concede to the demands of the Islamic regime. He

848
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Speaker 13: is holding his hard line stand, criticizing them. Once again,

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Speaker 13: Emily Schrader called and said, it's time to do a

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Speaker 13: mural of homage here in Israel. Once again, the State

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Speaker 13: of Israel said, please come do this mural here. And

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Speaker 13: so the only two murals I know of of Toomage

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Speaker 13: in the world are in the State of Israel. Once again,

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Speaker 13: Israel is saying, look, we are standing with the even

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Speaker 13: during a time of war. We are standing with the

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Speaker 13: freedom fighting women and the freedom fighting people of Iran.

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Speaker 13: And you know, this opens up a wider question, which

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Speaker 13: is when you look at the murals of the world

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Speaker 13: and support the woman life freedom murals. You know, You've

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Speaker 13: got many in the United States, many in Australia, Europe, Canada.

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Speaker 13: But the only country in the Middle East standing with

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Speaker 13: the freedom fighting women of Iran is Israel.

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Speaker 5: To date, there are no murals in.

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Speaker 13: Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Gitar Lebanon, UAE, Saudi Arabia. I cannot

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Speaker 13: understand this unbelievable criticism for Israel when Israel is saying

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Speaker 13: we love the Persian people even.

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Speaker 5: During a time of war. We are standing with the

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Speaker 5: women of Iran.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen similar sentiments from young people in Iran.

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Speaker 2: I've seen footage of students refusing to walk on the

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Speaker 2: Israelian American flags of the regime paints that they're supposed

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Speaker 2: to stomp on. They make an effort to walk around them.

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Speaker 2: So there is this goodwill amongst the populations. Your work

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Speaker 2: is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 5: My pleasure. And one last thing.

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Speaker 13: Ninety five percent of the people in Iran stand with

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Speaker 13: the State of Israel, and that is a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: That's it from me.

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Speaker 2: Up next is Newsnight. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Good night,