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Speaker 1: you live from Pranafest, Queensland's leading festival for health, wellbeing
Speaker 1: and conscious connection, held among the Sacred Hills and Living Earth.
Speaker 2: Of wood Fortier.
Speaker 1: Today, our conversation is with none other than singer, songwriter, storyteller,
Speaker 1: musician Naco. As many of you know, his songs have
Speaker 1: changed lives, have been a personal soundtrack to so many
Speaker 1: people through healing and transformation, and today we're going to
Speaker 1: find out more about the person behind the music. So
Speaker 1: please join me in welcoming Naco. Welcome to things you
Speaker 1: had on here. How's your Prana Fest been so far?
Speaker 3: A filled, calicious? It's been short so far.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It came in last evening and rolled right into the
Speaker 4: stage and had a really wonderful set.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming out tonight.
Speaker 5: Ye know th.
Speaker 4: Last time I was here two years ago, not on
Speaker 4: this site, maybe three years ago now, it was pouring
Speaker 4: down rain. So last night it was a treat to
Speaker 4: have a bit of what felt like Pacific Northwest weather
Speaker 4: where I'm from. So I felt right in my element
Speaker 4: and everybody's energy was on point. It felt like everybody was.
Speaker 3: In the pocket.
Speaker 4: You know, when you're on stage and you're sort of
Speaker 4: glazing the crown, checking the vibes, you know you're doing.
Speaker 3: Less scanning, scanning, scanning food vibes, scanning, sometimes, you know,
Speaker 3: the pockets are a bit you know, mute. But last
Speaker 3: night everyone was like up to eleven.
Speaker 1: This is your permission to be up to eleven and
Speaker 1: here andy everyone too, which.
Speaker 3: Is common for Australians. I have found eleven right where
Speaker 3: you guys like to be.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Australians, I have stalked your Instagram and all
Speaker 1: your social media and you don't mind impersonating the old Australians,
Speaker 1: do you. Well?
Speaker 4: I have found that it is y'all's culture out here.
Speaker 4: One are the few places in the world where you
Speaker 4: can take a pits.
Speaker 3: So that's you know, I can't really do it anywhere else.
Speaker 4: Americans are okay with it because you know, we're American
Speaker 4: and we're already like that. So it's great to be
Speaker 4: able to come to a place and just be funny
Speaker 4: and you know, take a show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let you leave this stage without
Speaker 1: giving us your best Australian accent, that's for sure. Now
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: What what did.
Speaker 3: You say a pop with?
Speaker 4: Now be? I don't think pop back that was actually
Speaker 4: a cover song, I asked Brett a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: I said, well, who's the oldest famous country singer y'all
Speaker 4: got and he was very specific about it being slim,
Speaker 4: So I became a fan immediately and I'll.
Speaker 3: Listen to his whole catalog. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it well. I love the origin of your accent.
Speaker 2: That makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: Now you are here in Australia for your Take Back
Speaker 1: your Power tour.
Speaker 2: What does this tour mean to you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I just turned forty. I finally made it, yell.
Speaker 4: It feels like entering forty in the horse year is
Speaker 4: appropriate for when I zoom out and get hell of
Speaker 4: mystical with.
Speaker 3: How I think about things, which is pretty much everything.
Speaker 4: And to consider returning to an album that's six years
Speaker 4: old now never got the opportunity to really tour it
Speaker 4: and to revisit it in a reflective way has been
Speaker 4: super cathartic, very cathartic for me as an artist and
Speaker 4: as a human being. I seem to be in this
Speaker 4: three year pocket where the previous year I was celebrating
Speaker 4: the ten year anniversary of my first two albums, and
Speaker 4: that sort of set me into motion of this reflective
Speaker 4: space and gave me the idea, well, I should revisit
Speaker 4: that album because I really.
Speaker 3: Wanted to put the show together.
Speaker 4: And in the mystical sense, when I think about having
Speaker 4: had that album come out when it did, and then
Speaker 4: having had things happen in my life in a certain
Speaker 4: way that they did, it's almost very prophetic when I
Speaker 4: listen to those songs, and so when I get on
Speaker 4: stage and I'm performing those songs and I've put together
Speaker 4: this show that I spent over a year.
Speaker 3: Putting together, building this show.
Speaker 4: Having such an extensive background in musical theater, like just
Speaker 4: really loving to bring people a show that has a
Speaker 4: strong start to finish, taking on a journey in that sense,
Speaker 4: I was so happy to get to build it in
Speaker 4: that way. And it's been such an incredible experience, fruitful
Speaker 4: and harmonious in a way that I haven't experienced a
Speaker 4: tour yet. And I think in anyways, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: out there still cutting my teeth, you know, as an
Speaker 4: independent artist in this.
Speaker 3: In this economy. Are you kidding me? You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, It's tough, man.
Speaker 4: The music industry is dog eat dog world out there,
Speaker 4: and I don't know what that accept the trump. Uh,
Speaker 4: it's a tough It's a tough industry to survive and
Speaker 4: as an artist, and so to find my place again
Speaker 4: or continually, you know, whether it's for myself to prove
Speaker 4: to myself that I can do it, to put food
Speaker 4: on the table, roof for my head, you know, and
Speaker 4: raise the babies. It's it's a constant reminder of the
Speaker 4: gift that I have and the the respect that I
Speaker 4: have for the job to keep showing up for it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well.
Speaker 1: You are a very deep soul, as we know through
Speaker 1: your music and through now this conversation, and you talk
Speaker 1: a lot about belonging in your music and in your work.
Speaker 1: What does belonging mean to you? What does it feel
Speaker 1: like to belong and what does it feel like not
Speaker 1: to belong?
Speaker 4: That's a tricky question. I don't really think I have
Speaker 4: the answer for that to be to be fair for
Speaker 4: me having what I know as an adult now.
Speaker 3: Is that my abandonment wounds as a child had let me.
Speaker 4: I had let those lead for a long time, and
Speaker 4: having had to fight my way into being seen for
Speaker 4: so many years as a young person, creating behaviors and
Speaker 4: patterns that were conducive to being an adult in that
Speaker 4: sense right, and allowing those wounds to become teachers has
Speaker 4: taught me a lot about who I am now, and
Speaker 4: I had found that I had been seeking validation all
Speaker 4: the time from others outside of myself to validate my power,
Speaker 4: to validate me as a person. And I don't see
Speaker 4: that being inherented. I think that's a very natural time
Speaker 4: that occurs as a human person. But for me, in
Speaker 4: my experience, the behaviors that came with it were what
Speaker 4: was damaging. Took both myself and to others inadvertently or
Speaker 4: you know, perhaps even sometimes consciously, so you know, the
Speaker 4: difference of impact versus intention became a space where that
Speaker 4: conversation of belonging became quite prevalent.
Speaker 3: So you know, I could sit here.
Speaker 4: You know, I think most people might be able to
Speaker 4: relate to this, That you could sit in front.
Speaker 3: Of a group of people who are here.
Speaker 4: To listen to you say something and you might feel
Speaker 4: completely alone, which at times I think we all do.
Speaker 4: It depends on the moment you're in, I suppose, and
Speaker 4: the kind of support that you have in your private
Speaker 4: life and as much as that you do have in
Speaker 4: your public life. Experience, both when I was younger, perhaps
Speaker 4: even six years ago, pre COVID obviously.
Speaker 3: I was so much younger then.
Speaker 4: You know, I felt quite alone on a stage or
Speaker 4: you know, walking in the world.
Speaker 3: Didn't know where.
Speaker 4: I belonged, you know, And physical belonging is a funny
Speaker 4: thing too, because I didn't ever feel as though I
Speaker 4: would find a place where I wanted to belong inasmuch
Speaker 4: as it would belong to me.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? And I have in many ways.
Speaker 3: I'm from the Great State of Oregon.
Speaker 4: For those of you that don't know where I am from.
Speaker 4: My mother is Native American Puerto Rican, and my father
Speaker 4: is Filipino, and most of my family and on both
Speaker 4: sides of my family, and including my adolthood family that
Speaker 4: I was raised by or from the West coast of America, and.
Speaker 3: So most of my family's over that side.
Speaker 4: And I remember during COVID watching Bruce Springsteen's documentary he did,
Speaker 4: and there's a funny thing he said about the song
Speaker 4: Born to Run, and he said, you know, I wrote
Speaker 4: that song, and I really aligned with this thought as well.
Speaker 4: He's like, when I was seventeen years old, He's like,
Speaker 4: I wrote that song, and he he's like, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to get as far away as I could from
Speaker 4: you know, where I was told I belonged in this
Speaker 4: place that was called home, and he goes, for many,
Speaker 4: many years, I ran away from everything from that space
Speaker 4: from where I was and wanted to find belonging elsewhere.
Speaker 3: And he paused, and then he goes, I currently live
Speaker 3: five minutes from where I grew up.
Speaker 4: And I was thinking the same thing as he was
Speaker 4: saying it, because I currently live twenty minutes from where
Speaker 4: I was born and raised. And it's interesting how that
Speaker 4: calling four belonging often calls you back to where you
Speaker 4: have come from.
Speaker 3: Whether you stay or not, it does come ask you
Speaker 3: to come back.
Speaker 4: To heal whatever it needs to be healed so you
Speaker 4: can transform into where you do need to go from there.
Speaker 1: Interesting, isn't it how we always go back. When was
Speaker 1: the first time you felt like you truly belonged? Because
Speaker 1: you've talked about your childhood of feeling those moments of
Speaker 1: really not being sure where you've beenen in the world,
Speaker 1: and now as in your fourth decade, congratulations. I think
Speaker 1: as we get older, too, we tend to care a
Speaker 1: little bit less of whether we belong or whether we're accepted.
Speaker 2: But when was the first time for.
Speaker 1: You where you felt at peace with who you were,
Speaker 1: and you're belonging.
Speaker 4: The first time that I can recollect in an earlier
Speaker 4: iteration of myself was when I was twenty years old and.
Speaker 3: I've had my birth mother. The first thing that she
Speaker 3: said to.
Speaker 4: Me was, Oh, yeah, she goes baby, we have the
Speaker 4: same toes. And while that might sound strange to some,
Speaker 4: it was a It was the first time that I
Speaker 4: had heard somebody that I was related to.
Speaker 3: A firm a.
Speaker 4: Bodily similarity growing up, you know, in a family that
Speaker 4: didn't look like me, or you know, was related to
Speaker 4: me that sense.
Speaker 3: I go to school first through third grade.
Speaker 4: I was home school the rest of the time, which
Speaker 4: is why I'm so strange. In first or third grade,
Speaker 4: I remember hearing kids say like, oh, you know, my
Speaker 4: mom and I have the same eyes, or my dad
Speaker 4: and I, you know, act this similar way. And I
Speaker 4: didn't know how to relate to that because I didn't
Speaker 4: have that, you know, with my with my parents in
Speaker 4: that sense. And so when my mom was pointing out
Speaker 4: something that was similar to us, there was a feeling
Speaker 4: side of me that almost felt like it was being filled,
Speaker 4: you know, in.
Speaker 3: A sense of oh, this is what it feels like.
Speaker 4: Okay, and so that was deep and meaningful in all
Speaker 4: of its ways. And you know, it wasn't like in
Speaker 4: that moment I immediately recognized that connectivity, but it was over
Speaker 4: time I began to realize that, so this is what
Speaker 4: this must feel like to belong to a place. And
Speaker 4: yet even you know, a short time after that, I
Speaker 4: began getting pulled.
Speaker 3: In many directions.
Speaker 4: I had three families, my birth father, a birth mother,
Speaker 4: and the family that raised me, his family guiding and
Speaker 4: sort of saying to me, you know, who I was
Speaker 4: supposed to be, This is who you are, This is
Speaker 4: who you are. And then I began to tour and
Speaker 4: began to visit many different places in the world, and
Speaker 4: my music began to take a hold, and through that
Speaker 4: I had people saying.
Speaker 3: This is who you are, this is you're supposed to be, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and all the while I had no idea who
Speaker 4: I was, and a lot of my beard's getting attached
Speaker 4: to as microphones. And so, you know, it wasn't until
Speaker 4: more recently, you know, in the last a few years,
Speaker 4: that I have.
Speaker 3: Once again returned to that feeling of belonging where I
Speaker 3: have stepped back.
Speaker 4: On to a stage or you know, as a joke,
Speaker 4: stepped back into a grocery store, been like, yes, this
Speaker 4: is where I belonged, absolutely, you know. And I think
Speaker 4: that just comes with the maturity and experience and continue
Speaker 4: to show up to difficult things and.
Speaker 3: Remind myself that.
Speaker 4: Where I truly belong is, you know, with God Creator,
Speaker 4: you know, wherever I.
Speaker 3: Am, and to find that piece within myself to.
Speaker 4: Know that I belong wherever I stand, wherever they in
Speaker 4: my head, where my spirit.
Speaker 3: Is with whomever is there. And you know, you can
Speaker 3: hear that question across the songs as you have recog
Speaker 3: nice as well. And where's my home?
Speaker 4: You know, I talk about home and belonging a lot,
Speaker 4: and through that talking about it, you know, the consistency
Speaker 4: of singing it every time that's cathartic and of itself,
Speaker 4: and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like reminding myself every time I do.
Speaker 4: It, it's okay, a little baddy, It's going to be okay.
Speaker 2: You're right where you.
Speaker 3: Belo because you question it, oh again, all the time
Speaker 3: you question it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting, I think would you agree that we
Speaker 1: take parts of I know you said you feel like
Speaker 1: you've got three different families that you can potentially take
Speaker 1: the best of each of those parts of those people
Speaker 1: to become yourself. What did you take from your mom,
Speaker 1: your biological mom, your biological father, and your family that
Speaker 1: raised you?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, going top, it's the best.
Speaker 4: From my mom that raised me. God bless her. She
Speaker 4: is the best. She's still here with us. I learned
Speaker 4: to integrity, for sure. Integrity. She's not aest woman, and
Speaker 4: she is a stand up person as well.
Speaker 3: She would be just tickled to know that I'm talking
Speaker 3: about her right now.
Speaker 2: Well, this is being recorded, so maybe we can send.
Speaker 4: One of the things that she often would say to me,
Speaker 4: even through the iterations, was that and this is a
Speaker 4: mutual thing that we learned from each other, is that
Speaker 4: she'd go, you know, I raised you to a point
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 3: Gave you back to your mom too to continue the work.
Speaker 3: And I would. And so she often would off.
Speaker 4: Put this feeling of like being mom and sort of
Speaker 4: just being a placeholder.
Speaker 3: And I know how that feels.
Speaker 4: And so what my experience with her has been in
Speaker 4: that regard is reminding her too that she is.
Speaker 3: Has has always been more to me than just mom.
Speaker 4: You know, she's been my pillar, she's been my guiding light,
Speaker 4: She's been a consistent person who loves.
Speaker 3: Me no matter how I've shown up.
Speaker 4: I remember coming home with more and more tattoos. This
Speaker 4: is one thing that's great about my mom. Even though
Speaker 4: I was raised very very conservative Christian, I'd show up,
Speaker 4: you know, with more and I try to like cover
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 3: I book a jacket owner like I have. You're covering
Speaker 3: up anymore? And you know she, you know she what
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 4: You know? And I'd be like, well, it's just a
Speaker 4: And you know, she has loved me through all of
Speaker 4: the versions of myself to this day, and I think that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: one of the big things that she has.
Speaker 3: Taught me is to love unconditionally, even if in you know,
Speaker 3: moments where you question it.
Speaker 4: You can love someone for the decisions that they made
Speaker 4: because you're just witnessing their journey and you're holding space
Speaker 4: for them to just be who they need to be.
Speaker 3: At that time. And so that from mom for sure.
Speaker 3: For my dad, the dad that raised me, we had
Speaker 3: a bit.
Speaker 4: Of a pushing pole relationship throughout our time.
Speaker 3: But and he passed away over fifteen years ago now, but.
Speaker 4: His inspiration and music was a guiding lighte for me
Speaker 4: as well. He pushed me hard, you know, to find
Speaker 4: a purpose, to find fine tunic gift.
Speaker 3: I was big into sports as a young kids, most.
Speaker 4: Boys are, and when I found music, she really could
Speaker 4: see that there was a spark there and he really
Speaker 4: pushed that hard on me. And you know, I can
Speaker 4: thank him now for allowing me to explore that that universe.
Speaker 4: And and also he taught me what a loyal and.
Speaker 3: Steadfast caretaker can be as a man. He was a
Speaker 3: great example when it comes to being a good man.
Speaker 4: He never cheated on my mom. You know, he was
Speaker 4: a He treated her well. He never raised his voice.
Speaker 4: He raised his eyebrows a lot. That's how you knew
Speaker 4: he was about to go down. He feared those eyebrows.
Speaker 4: And you know, in that sense, that was such an
Speaker 4: important masculine example for me as a young person. And
Speaker 4: then my birth mother, you know, resilience, I suppose, don't
Speaker 4: be a victim. You know, she had been through a
Speaker 4: lot in her life and she's only fourteen years older
Speaker 4: than me, right, So to find that kind of respect
Speaker 4: took time because when we met, it was almost like
Speaker 4: we were just like siblings, you know, but we both
Speaker 4: have a very childlike demeanor, very demeanor, you know, and
Speaker 4: so to meet each other as adults.
Speaker 3: Took time, and I think that.
Speaker 4: Learning from her has been a constant thing in my life,
Speaker 4: and as a father now, to keep showing up for
Speaker 4: my mom in the ways that I also need has
Speaker 4: been the teacher wherein sometimes family members you know that
Speaker 4: you need to have them show up for you a
Speaker 4: certain way they cannot, and two show up for them
Speaker 4: can be a bit of a chip off the old children.
Speaker 3: You know, you're like, oh God, I gotta shut up
Speaker 3: rappers and jeez, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's taught me a lot about being by your
Speaker 4: side in a relationships mother to son way.
Speaker 3: That's transformed by how.
Speaker 4: I am as a father and as I am to
Speaker 4: the rest of my family.
Speaker 1: It's really beautiful to see that you can take in
Speaker 1: reflection the best parts of the people that raise us,
Speaker 1: even in the hard moments. And I love that you
Speaker 1: brought that up about your father. There are hard moments,
Speaker 1: I'm sure with all of everyone.
Speaker 2: Who's raised you.
Speaker 1: But when you zoom out, you can pull back and say,
Speaker 1: these are the good things.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing it.
Speaker 1: Now you speak openly about being canceled twenty twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: we won't go through.
Speaker 2: The whole rigmarole of what that was all about.
Speaker 1: But I want to know what that felt like for
Speaker 1: you at the time, because I know it was a
Speaker 1: very very significant time in your life and.
Speaker 2: It taught you, no doubt, a lot about yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there a question there?
Speaker 2: The question is, so what did that feel like for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It felt terrible for sure. It felt like.
Speaker 4: A dismantling of my reality. And I said a bit
Speaker 4: of it last night too, But the illusion of who
Speaker 4: I thought I was to die, you know, and it was.
Speaker 3: Necessary death.
Speaker 4: And to reclaim that, I had to pick through a
Speaker 4: lot of unpacking, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and it was necessary nice.
Speaker 4: Still have people today that come up to me and say,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry for what happened to you, And I
Speaker 4: understand where they're coming from. I think it's a natural
Speaker 4: thing when you don't really know what else to say.
Speaker 3: But I don't regret it at all. You know. I
Speaker 3: regret harm, for sure, as anybody might. But I.
Speaker 4: What I what I what I feel is how I
Speaker 4: felt about anything that's happened in my life.
Speaker 3: It's there are no there are no small there's no thing,
Speaker 3: no things that happened to you.
Speaker 4: There aren't for a reason, you know and to unpack
Speaker 4: my own reasons where I had to look and see, like,
Speaker 4: all right, cool, I could see how I could see
Speaker 4: how the behaviors of a young man being promiscuous, being
Speaker 4: a dating life on the road, as a touring musician.
Speaker 4: I can see how the way that I had showed
Speaker 4: up with the energy that i'd had, full of ego,
Speaker 4: full of just like chaos energy. I just was pushing
Speaker 4: back against everything that I was being told that I was.
Speaker 4: And I hadn't taken responsibility for the words that were
Speaker 4: coming out of my mouth. I believed them, but I
Speaker 4: hadn't lived in that yet, if that make sense. And
Speaker 4: that is the tricky balance of my own responsibility in life,
Speaker 4: is to actually believe myself to hear what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and to find that find that way to live the
Speaker 4: life that I seek, you know. And so if it
Speaker 4: hadn't happened, you know, I wouldn't have If I hadn't
Speaker 4: fallen off the wagon like that in a public way,
Speaker 4: I don't know what would have happened, you know, I
Speaker 4: can't really say at all, because it didn't, you know.
Speaker 4: So to discover the the person that wanted to evolve
Speaker 4: from that certainly took time. You know, there was a
Speaker 4: number of years there where I just wanted to die,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Because I felt so abandoned. And that was part of it,
Speaker 3: was the.
Speaker 4: Triggering of the old wound to be abandoned by friends
Speaker 4: and family. And you know, your fan base was.
Speaker 3: Triggering the old wound.
Speaker 4: That had caused those issues in my relationships to women,
Speaker 4: to men, to power, to control, and to myself. It
Speaker 4: got first and foremost to get right with that.
Speaker 3: It took a minute to get past the part where
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a victim to it.
Speaker 4: I took time to get past the feeling that I
Speaker 4: had no I didn't.
Speaker 3: Know where to belong again, you know.
Speaker 4: And so I think part of that gift was that
Speaker 4: I'd been there before and I knew what this felt like.
Speaker 3: It was dangerous place to be.
Speaker 4: And because I did want to end everything, I did
Speaker 4: want to stop and give up, and I did want
Speaker 4: to just be a victim and be angry, and I
Speaker 4: forget the processes of anger, you know, as you go
Speaker 4: through but you know what I'm talking about, where you
Speaker 4: get to that part of accountability of your own part
Speaker 4: and the thing it felt, that sense of betrayal was
Speaker 4: a deep cut, and I felt even more misunderstood. And
Speaker 4: to move through the misunderstanding to choose life, to choose.
Speaker 3: A new beginning took courage. But I also learned not
Speaker 3: to celebrate the courage so much.
Speaker 4: As it was a duty to myself, to my daughter,
Speaker 4: to my family, and you know, also to those that
Speaker 4: listen to me. Out of respect for the microphone, I
Speaker 4: respect for the stage, and I respect for the gift
Speaker 4: that Creator has given me to share my pain and.
Speaker 3: My joy alchemized into music.
Speaker 4: It all was part of the reason why, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I have a bone to pick with.
Speaker 4: Society, and I always have, but even more so now
Speaker 4: as I firmly believe that we have the ability.
Speaker 3: To choose.
Speaker 4: How we punish people in society, and at this moment,
Speaker 4: which seems as though we just dispose of.
Speaker 3: People that we don't agree with.
Speaker 4: And I kind of mentioned that last night about the
Speaker 4: way that I see us behave as society still today
Speaker 4: where we can't it seems like we can't.
Speaker 3: Break bed with people, you know, in that way, And.
Speaker 4: That's something I just want to shout out profest for
Speaker 4: doing is allowing messy people like myself to continue to
Speaker 4: share my truth in my heart, because it's a it's
Speaker 4: a it's a rough world out there in that sense,
Speaker 4: and it feels as though the forefront is happening here
Speaker 4: of a collective understanding that you know, your mistakes do
Speaker 4: not define you or control you, and that we can
Speaker 4: move away from a punitive system that is so reflective
Speaker 4: of the comercial system of deplatforming somebody and allowing you know,
Speaker 4: this sort of idea that, Okay, well, since I don't
Speaker 4: agree with whatever I believe that you did, I'm going
Speaker 4: to take your career away from you, and I'm going
Speaker 4: to take your liveliv away from you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to take away your ability to feed your family.
Speaker 4: Your ability to support yourself, and I will choose what
Speaker 4: your punishment is. This sense that as a collect to mob,
Speaker 4: there is this idea that you know, you are the
Speaker 4: judge or an executioner. You know.
Speaker 3: And while I do believe in.
Speaker 5: Community in alignment towards accountability and change, it seems as
Speaker 5: though the way that it's being done in that sense
Speaker 5: is far more damaging than it is uplifting.
Speaker 3: And I do think that there.
Speaker 4: Are I know that there are many ways and tools
Speaker 4: to offer folks to choose life versus you know, just
Speaker 4: disposing of people and you know, not using your.
Speaker 3: Your hang on critical thinking.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, it's interesting. I am you know.
Speaker 1: I think that we spoke before part of this, and
Speaker 1: you talked to me about this situation and it can
Speaker 1: and you said, this time now has been a bit
Speaker 1: of a resurrection for you. And I know that bringing
Speaker 1: Back your Power tour was created back then and all
Speaker 1: of those tours got canceled, and so now this is
Speaker 1: your opportunity now to bring that back into the world
Speaker 1: during this time of what you call a resurrection. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it teaches us so much that when we
Speaker 6: go through what we think is the most horrible, hard
Speaker 6: situation that we are experiencing, we can come out of
Speaker 6: it stronger than ever. And it feels like you are
Speaker 6: emerging out of that pain now bringing this tour to.
Speaker 2: Us the resurrection.
Speaker 1: Explain that a little bit to me, and what you
Speaker 1: learned about yourself recently over the last couple of years
Speaker 1: as you are resurrecting.
Speaker 3: Well, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say that I don't get to talk
Speaker 4: about this very much, but it is it is not
Speaker 4: like a sweet baby Jesus coming out of the rod,
Speaker 4: like that kind of thing, you know somewhere, you know,
Speaker 4: I say a resurrection and I'm like, oh, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like, yeah, it'd be nice if it
Speaker 4: was like that, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's like it is a war zone out there.
Speaker 4: Anytime that I announced shows, they try to cancel it.
Speaker 3: So I often see people in the comments saying like,
Speaker 3: why don't you come here? Why don't you go there?
Speaker 4: And that's because I'm playing a chess game.
Speaker 3: I have built an entire protocol to get in front.
Speaker 4: Of what surrounds the name of me in that sense, and.
Speaker 3: Because it's my firm belief transparency is the only way forward.
Speaker 4: And in this climate, it is a very touchy subject.
Speaker 4: And most of the time, what I've found is that
Speaker 4: people are making business decisions based on protecting their business,
Speaker 4: which I totally understand, which is why you might not
Speaker 4: see certain artists.
Speaker 3: Touch me consensually obviously, but also.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's it's not it's no easy move forward.
Speaker 4: You know. It has been seriously hard work just to
Speaker 4: get back to sitting here and talking to y'all, consistently
Speaker 4: showing up and consistently refining how I discuss who I
Speaker 4: am and how I.
Speaker 3: You know, fight for my right to.
Speaker 4: Bring what I do, not for ego or for you know,
Speaker 4: some you know, alternative motive, but simply to do the work.
Speaker 3: That Creator has brought me here to do.
Speaker 4: Like I now, at this stage in my life, I
Speaker 4: have no question about my purpose at all.
Speaker 3: I know a million percent that what I just did last.
Speaker 4: Night and standing here and sitting here with you all
Speaker 4: and discussing it is why I am here.
Speaker 3: This is my gift. And so to be that, you know,
Speaker 3: firm and knowing.
Speaker 4: Who I am is part of what to take your
Speaker 4: power back moment right now that I'm having is all
Speaker 4: about is that reclamation.
Speaker 3: Is that resurrection.
Speaker 4: And you know, one thing that I cyquest, one thing
Speaker 4: that I love about comedy a huge comedy fan, is
Speaker 4: that it is constant refinement right in front of you.
Speaker 3: You're getting up there every.
Speaker 4: Night and you're trying it out and you're just allowing
Speaker 4: yourself to be seen and you're refining and refining. It's
Speaker 4: the same way for artists like myself. Every night you
Speaker 4: get on stage, you are refining your craft.
Speaker 3: And the big takeaway I've.
Speaker 4: Had on this tour since starting in September has been
Speaker 4: every night I go out and I'd refine that message,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'll find bits that are working, bits
Speaker 4: that aren't ways that I'm singing the song, that are working,
Speaker 4: ways that are even down to like how you move
Speaker 4: your body has meaning to it and how you interact
Speaker 4: as meaning to it, and some nights that might work,
Speaker 4: in others it might not. That's part of the game.
Speaker 4: But I think that how I show up has been
Speaker 4: transformational for me in allowing myself to still maintain a childlike,
Speaker 4: you know, energy, while also being the mature, experienced adult
Speaker 4: man that I am at home and having those to
Speaker 4: those who I am off stage, who I am on stage,
Speaker 4: being in that same space, you know. So it's been
Speaker 4: a really it's been a really amazing experience because those.
Speaker 3: Songs have so much more meaning to.
Speaker 4: Me now, and it's almost it's very emotional every time too,
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm just like even last night, when I
Speaker 4: wanted to look at y'all in the face, sometimes I can't.
Speaker 3: Because I feel you so much. And so they have
Speaker 3: these big lights out there, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, ah, look at those lights, and I
Speaker 4: just drop into like my own moment, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I feel it all a little buddy, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, because I'm having my own experience.
Speaker 2: This is a big deal for you, this festival at
Speaker 2: the moment, isn't it. Prana Fest is Actually I'm listening
Speaker 2: to you and I.
Speaker 1: Feel that you feel so grateful for being here for Pana,
Speaker 1: in believing in you, or backing you, for letting you
Speaker 1: speak and have your vaults in the fall last night.
Speaker 2: What does it feel like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, it's a reminder that Australia has always
Speaker 4: been a home for me and it's inspiring to see
Speaker 4: folks here design something very different than what you're saying
Speaker 4: anywhere else in the world. There's a lot of fear
Speaker 4: out there, and I don't feel it here at all.
Speaker 4: I just went back to Hawaii for the first time
Speaker 4: in almost ten years, and Hawaii I didn't grow up there,
Speaker 4: but I spent a good time in my life going
Speaker 4: up there, and I went back to play a festival
Speaker 4: and it was scary. I'm gonna say that I had
Speaker 4: a good time, and I know that those that attended
Speaker 4: also had a good time. But I just wanted to
Speaker 4: mention a reflection here of what I just recently experienced
Speaker 4: versus what I'm experiencing here and it's night and day.
Speaker 4: I used to feel like I really belonged there, and
Speaker 4: this trip recently it was I don't want to dismiss
Speaker 4: the belonging.
Speaker 3: I did feel with the made to do that showed.
Speaker 4: Up and was there, but the way that the energy
Speaker 4: was online about me coming back to the island was wild,
Speaker 4: and it was like I had to hold a group
Speaker 4: therapy session for everybody and be an anchor in a
Speaker 4: place where I mean, I suppose I was being asked
Speaker 4: to be an anchor in that sense. I'm sure countless
Speaker 4: people did not think that I was being an anchor.
Speaker 4: But that's the tricky part too, right, is what is
Speaker 4: your responsibility to others and what is your responsibility to yourself?
Speaker 4: And to find what that was or to find what
Speaker 4: that is for yourself is is oh that's the game, baby, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a big difference.
Speaker 4: And you know, shout out to those that called me
Speaker 4: in there and brought me into that space again because
Speaker 4: they held the line. But it's just a reflection I
Speaker 4: wanted to say, is that you know this is being
Speaker 4: here feels like night and day from anywhere else that
Speaker 4: I have gone to in the last six years, and
Speaker 4: it feels like there is a different energy being held here.
Speaker 3: And I felt that.
Speaker 4: Two years ago or three years ago when I first came. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's why I'm back as well, you know, because it is.
Speaker 1: That this podcasts that we are doing the live recording of,
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned at the start, it's called Things you
Speaker 1: Can't Unhere.
Speaker 2: Was there a things you couldn't unhear?
Speaker 1: A moment during the hardest time that someone said to
Speaker 1: you that really helped you through that time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I shared a little bit of it
Speaker 3: last night on stage, and I'll share it I get
Speaker 3: here the some of the some of the things that
Speaker 3: I had been.
Speaker 4: Hearing from my beloveds that were you know, in my
Speaker 4: ear at that time. Yeah, I'm sure y'all have heard
Speaker 4: this before.
Speaker 3: I had not, hadn't heard it yet. But the the
Speaker 3: quote of life is happening for you, it's not happening too.
Speaker 3: It was a big one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was almost an ironic thing to hear too,
Speaker 4: because of course.
Speaker 3: I don't know. For me, I seem to have at.
Speaker 4: Times a really toxic sense of positivity where you know,
Speaker 4: there's there's actually Aquarius mean that I love. I think
Speaker 4: it's Shrek even is in the meme and he's like,
Speaker 4: you know I'm talking about and he's like, you know, Aquarius,
Speaker 4: after telling you the worst thing that you could ever
Speaker 4: imagine and being like, well, that's just life, isn't it.
Speaker 4: And then that's a pro and con to it too.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I've I've learned. I've had to
Speaker 4: learn how to sit with stuff versus being so flippant
Speaker 4: about it at times. And that's rough because you really
Speaker 4: got to sit with your feelings about things and let it.
Speaker 3: Do its work on you. And then you can be like.
Speaker 4: Well crazy, that was crazy.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's just there's a I have a really
Speaker 3: dark sense of humor.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's because I've been through so much in
Speaker 4: my life that I'm almost not surprised sometimes at how
Speaker 4: dark things can get. So, to go back to your question,
Speaker 4: my Auntie was deep in reminding me of the courage
Speaker 4: that she already knew that I had within me to
Speaker 4: move through the hard.
Speaker 3: Lessons to UH and and and and and allow.
Speaker 4: Myself to be messy in it, knowing that there would
Speaker 4: be no perfect route to UH reclamation to accountability too,
Speaker 4: you know, justice to finding my way and that you know,
Speaker 4: when you go through a rebirth, you are starting all
Speaker 4: over again, and and that can be really tricky and frustrating.
Speaker 4: And that time that it takes two unpack and.
Speaker 3: Unwind and rewire.
Speaker 4: Could take much longer than your spirit wants it to take.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So I think I think most of us really want
Speaker 3: to quick fix.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 4: Ain't like that as it now.
Speaker 2: It's not yeah, you got to go through it.
Speaker 4: We all know that, don't we That was it, You
Speaker 4: got to go through it, don't know me out is through?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, my husband and I were driving here this morning
Speaker 1: and I said, let's get in the mood.
Speaker 2: Let's put on some Narco tunes.
Speaker 1: So we were listening to them all on the driver
Speaker 1: and absolutely loving it. And literally about twenty minutes before
Speaker 1: you arrived here.
Speaker 2: Now, your manager and I were.
Speaker 1: Texting and I said, what do you feel about Naco
Speaker 1: bringing his guitar to the interview?
Speaker 3: She was like, should we have a guitar talk?
Speaker 1: So I think we're going to let the guitar talk
Speaker 1: if you're up for it, to end this amazing conversation.
Speaker 2: Do you feel about that?
Speaker 3: Good? Good?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: Do you feel good about it. Guys, I think they'll
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: I just want to say before Narco jumps on his
Speaker 1: guitar and you can you can jump up and get
Speaker 1: yourself sorted while I'm chatting. But huge thanks for sharing
Speaker 1: so openly sharing yourself with us. I know it's not
Speaker 1: easy doing that, and those people who do come on
Speaker 1: my podcast do share openly so that we can all
Speaker 1: learn and grow.
Speaker 2: From what you've experienced.
Speaker 1: So there's something that you heard that you could take
Speaker 1: from this to implement in your own life in some
Speaker 1: way to make you stronger, to make you heal, to
Speaker 1: make you transform, to make you a better version of
Speaker 1: yourself than please take it. And thanks again to Nago.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think people wants you up close it person.
Speaker 7: Pome Man a change.
Speaker 3: This is my one cup of coffee voice.
Speaker 8: By the way, if I made it out alive, you
Speaker 8: gonna change. I need a change every protect a transformation.
Speaker 8: Chance on my shoes and dilic chance read the final.
Speaker 7: Rounds of indifference.
Speaker 3: I with the buzz grass pad.
Speaker 8: I was looking at the authority for the reasons I
Speaker 8: had if I stopped to listen to one of those
Speaker 8: teeth the wheel I'm in the back look with the
Speaker 8: Bucky's reel, the Baby the hatchet Bones, don't cast at
Speaker 8: the dead, don't dance to with liars Man's and show
Speaker 8: residence cross head off my checkpist but with the warfare
Speaker 8: of baby with dolls her he's redless acts like he's
Speaker 8: got a dead bridge to radio girl Chick in the
Speaker 8: checks to the nature Lawyer creature some of the most.
Speaker 3: Time, wasn't the wage in my plan, I'm gonna stick
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna want to separate my consciousness.
Speaker 7: I want to change.
Speaker 8: I who may could change?
Speaker 3: And I come to the cost or that is my listed.
Speaker 7: This tract is in my delusion.
Speaker 8: The granted were all equipped dark Old bad Or is
Speaker 8: the wizard ship. But I did not know people gonna
Speaker 8: choose me and I gonna take myself. Most you been
Speaker 8: used it because I've come to people. They don't trick.
Speaker 8: I don't know the other the prepretives, so that just
Speaker 8: a productor took a couple of steps back.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to couple beneath the crash.
Speaker 8: I didn't come here on the throne down and dragging
Speaker 8: my feet, sending for saying both hands that accept the feet.
Speaker 3: I got work to do. Let me get back at it,
Speaker 3: cause I'm is ticking. I can hear you this now,
Speaker 3: I'm not picking dramatic and the meat. Don't sleep in
Speaker 3: fact so.
Speaker 8: Much humans after BEDI because I'm such a icial person,
Speaker 8: mattered at the BA.
Speaker 3: He's surprised that gets out even put himself twice. They
Speaker 3: can maybe a younger berty.
Speaker 8: Even the way I mean as human, But to make
Speaker 8: some mistakes and don't quit the place a lifetime of fear.
Speaker 3: He just to show pass and begin niggas dear. I
Speaker 3: want to change.
Speaker 7: I will make change.
Speaker 8: If I made you out alive, see you in the
Speaker 8: airless shirt, sacrified child.
Speaker 7: Please that I die.
Speaker 8: And the lost shall past some booty in the past.
Speaker 7: And of all the.
Speaker 3: Things I fear, it isn't now and it isn't here.
Speaker 3: How many could change.
Speaker 7: I made change.
Speaker 8: I want to walk in righteousness, but I keep up
Speaker 8: a number that is of my selfishness. I want the past,
Speaker 8: the fist. They were past the fist. I keep hearing
Speaker 8: on the bushes and they're facing it. Someone facing it,
Speaker 8: sim ladiator ship. Yeah, putting the brook. You didn't begin
Speaker 8: heating it.
Speaker 3: Non stop knocks from the mountain.
Speaker 9: Top through the CD blocks to take stopping blah, nothing
Speaker 9: but the guys shot dead on the side, why by
Speaker 9: your cops? Two it inside child, and I'm shots in
Speaker 9: my hands stretched out to the sky, Dots of homes
Speaker 9: in my left, and a gun in my right, my eyes, a.
Speaker 8: Cry or a bulletproof pocas in the bud they didn't
Speaker 8: go to make it out alive, and a five in
Speaker 8: the midst of a bad door front line you get
Speaker 8: to beginner struggle.
Speaker 3: These are the songs of a walk towards revival.
Speaker 7: Even Braving could put down their right folds.
Speaker 8: I got my orders, and them apart of them, you
Speaker 8: can find me kicking back instaid the die instand and
Speaker 8: I'm making friends and the men of evil men, but
Speaker 8: not break them and inject them with them. Mad to sin,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna do no harm, but I'm gonna take no ship,
Speaker 8: and I'm gonna do a bitch and to take emptyness.
Speaker 8: And potentially I'm a limp to be hard at working
Speaker 8: there in the fucking industry.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I made to change.
Speaker 8: I'm made to change.
Speaker 7: I will may change.
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