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Speaker 1: Apoge Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana.

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Speaker 3: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to

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Speaker 3: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself.

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Speaker 2: We'd help you shed the shame, grow to a new level.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh and cry and talk about the topics

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Speaker 2: everyone else is too afraid to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to She Rises with your

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Speaker 2: favorite hosts. Ashi and Tiana are back for a Wednesday episode,

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Speaker 2: and today we are talking all about money and why

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Speaker 2: it's so taboo to talk about it like sex. We

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Speaker 2: want to dissolve the shame. We want to have more

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Speaker 2: conversations around it. We all love it, we all need it.

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Speaker 2: It's a part of life, so why not talk about it.

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Speaker 3: We all act like we're not allowed to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I know, where did they come from?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's so uncomfortable for some people.

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Speaker 3: And understandably, yes, it is a resource, right, It is

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Speaker 3: a resource that we all rely on and that we

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Speaker 3: all need to survive and to contribute and to exist

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Speaker 3: in our reality. So it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: But why is it so uncomfortable to talk about?

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Speaker 2: And I'm pretty open to talk about most things, even money, but.

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Speaker 1: I won't lie.

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Speaker 2: I still get a little bit like, Oh, if someone

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Speaker 2: online asked me how much I earn, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I think because I suppose being an online influencer and

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Speaker 2: having a business, people are quite triggered by money. So

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Speaker 2: if you tell them how much you make, they then

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Speaker 2: compare it to how much they make. They feel like

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Speaker 2: it's unfair or not right, or they think your privilege

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Speaker 2: or they think you're greeding. You get kind of a

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Speaker 2: lot of backlash for it how you live. And I

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Speaker 2: understand that also because I used to feel like that

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Speaker 2: when I'd see people with money and being able to

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Speaker 2: leave the sextravagant lifestyle or where all the labels are

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Speaker 2: do all the things I was sitting in my victims.

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Speaker 2: So I would think they were lucky and they were

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Speaker 2: selfish in this which should be more generous, and they

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Speaker 2: used to project so much onto them. So I see

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Speaker 2: why people don't share that information and why they get

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable around it. And it's also uncomfortable too, Like I've

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Speaker 2: got a friend who is very, very wealthy, and she

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Speaker 2: gets uncomfortable talk about it because she doesn't know who

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Speaker 2: and what she can give, and she's quite generous. So

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Speaker 2: there's so many layers to it. But we wanted to

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Speaker 2: kind of debunk a little bit of this whole conversation

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Speaker 2: and make it a bit more comfortable. So we've got

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Speaker 2: a few points that we want to talk about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: one thing I find really interesting online is the influencer

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Speaker 2: marketing world. I see so many tiktoks and people getting

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Speaker 2: so triggered with how much influencers earn. But what they

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Speaker 2: don't see, and it's not always the case. It's a gamble.

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Speaker 2: Any type of marketing is actually a gamble. Whether you

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Speaker 2: spend your money on Facebook ads, Google ads, snapcha ads,

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Speaker 2: TikTok ads, influencers, UGC created, like whatever you spend your

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Speaker 2: money on Billboard advertising, radio, TV. It's all a risk.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to convert or what's going

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Speaker 2: to give you great brand awareness. But people get so

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Speaker 2: upset when they know how much influencers charge and make,

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Speaker 2: But what they don't realize is that it's a win

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Speaker 2: the influencer, and influencing is a job. I know people

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Speaker 2: are in denial that it's not, but it is. For example,

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Speaker 2: I once promoted a brand. I won't say what the

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Speaker 2: I think it was fifteen thousand dollars to do a

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Speaker 2: set of stories, a set of Snapchat And they've paid

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Speaker 2: that and I made them one hundred and twenty three

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Speaker 2: So yeah, to spend that, that's a great return on investment. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: it's a win win for them. Yeah, it's a win

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Speaker 2: win for me. It works, but people get really upset

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Speaker 2: with it. But I can also see why because for

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Speaker 2: their everyday life, Like that's a wage for ten weeks

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Speaker 2: or twenty weeks for someone. Yeah, I can totally see

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Speaker 3: That's the contrast is like people are looking at that.

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Speaker 3: They're looking at, Okay, what does a nine to five

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Speaker 3: three like fuck you for having more freedom than me.

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Speaker 2: And I also see view of a teacher or a

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Speaker 2: nurse or someone who's doing a job like that they

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't feel fair.

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Speaker 2: Even I had moments of guilt where I was like,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel fair that I get to earn this

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Speaker 2: and it's such an important job, Like I don't think

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Speaker 2: they get paid enough. Yeah, so I can really understand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or nurses being Yeah, nurses being personally underpaid for

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Speaker 3: what they do and how they support people and how

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Speaker 3: we have to look after per nurse as well when

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Speaker 3: they're on on June's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Even like a bus driver.

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Speaker 2: I know it sounds silly, but a bush driver, they

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Speaker 2: are driving your children, getting them safely from A to

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Speaker 2: B every single day. Yeah, I don't think they get

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Speaker 2: paid enough. Yeah, it's crazy. So I get why this

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Speaker 2: conversation can be uncomfortable, however, like it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And from.

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Speaker 2: A marketer's point of view, influencers are a great way

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Speaker 2: to blow up your business. We've seen it many times before.

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Speaker 2: When influence posts for a brand, the business blows up.

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Speaker 2: If that was your brand and you had someone quote

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Speaker 2: unquote Instagram famous who blew.

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Speaker 3: Your brand up, you'd be stoked. Yeah, I wouldn't care

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Speaker 3: how much you're paying them.

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Speaker 2: A Goldcrase influence who charges like forty thousand dollars at

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Speaker 2: the moment for a set of stories and that's three

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Speaker 2: sixty second frames, which sounds crazy, Yes, but I bet

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Speaker 2: her return it's probably five.

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Speaker 3: Hundred thousands Yees. Yeah, you've sold out your product.

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Speaker 1: You're happy.

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Speaker 3: I like that you brought that point in because it

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Speaker 3: is Most people only focus on one side of it,

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Speaker 3: which is how much influence who is getting paid. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's not just that it's an exchange.

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Speaker 2: And also I can only speak from my experience and

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Speaker 2: everyone's different. But what people forget too is I've been

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Speaker 2: online for fifteen years, right, This isn't just a quick

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Speaker 2: for fifteen years, I have showed up not getting paid,

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Speaker 2: to share my life, to be vulnerable, to share my lessons,

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Speaker 2: to connect, to build a community. I've put that effort

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Speaker 2: saying it's a hard job. I'm not going to sit

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Speaker 2: it's a great job. It's pretty easy. It's a lot

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Speaker 2: of energy, but it's not a hard job. But there

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Speaker 2: I put in to be in that position to be

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Speaker 2: able to charge that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like everything, there's lots of layers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely see everyone's side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think money is just one of those things

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Speaker 3: because everyone is such in different places with their relationship

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Speaker 3: beliefs around it, their beliefs around it, you know, what

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Speaker 3: they continue to choose to see money. So it's like

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Speaker 3: sit with it, and it's almost like this unspoken agreement

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Speaker 3: You know, let's say if somebody has like a more expansive,

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Speaker 3: with somebody who's still in lack around money. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of projections to get thrown around money.

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Speaker 2: I've had it from a family member too, like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's easy for you to say you've got lots of money.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, but I've also worked since I was thirteen

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Speaker 2: years old. Yeah, I've literally been a little hustler since

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Speaker 2: I was I wasn't even legally allowed to work at

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Speaker 2: I saw how they lived, I saw how we grew up,

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Speaker 2: arguing over money. I just did not want that life

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Speaker 2: for myself, for my kids, and I was determined to

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Speaker 3: So what's a piece of advice that you would give

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Speaker 3: make them feel disempowered by money? Lots of he's of

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Speaker 3: advice that you would give.

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Speaker 2: Them that it doesn't have to be like that. And

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Speaker 2: I know that sounds easier than done, because I used

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Speaker 2: to think like that too. My belief was that I

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Speaker 2: will always be poor, no one will ever loved me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not smart enough to make money. People are lucky,

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Speaker 2: people get handed it, but it's not the truth. And

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Speaker 2: if you honestly believe that and you keep telling yourself that,

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Speaker 2: that'll be your reality. Yeah, it will not change. Whether

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Speaker 2: you think you can or you think you can't. You

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Speaker 2: are one hundred percent right. I had to push that belief,

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Speaker 2: and I had to prove to myself and I had

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Speaker 2: to break through that limiting belief that I could never.

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Speaker 1: Earn a certain amount. And it was hard. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was fucking hard.

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Speaker 2: And even now when I go through harder times with money,

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Speaker 2: me to have that old story pop up. Of course,

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Speaker 2: like you're not worthy of that, yeah, or like, of

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Speaker 2: course that wasn't gonna last, or you were silly with

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Speaker 1: There's so many little stories that pop up.

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Speaker 3: So many Yeah, and money is energy.

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Speaker 3: Why do you guys? Blah blah blah. I feel like

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Speaker 2: What do you think about money manifestation because I'm not

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important to know that you're worthy

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's like this gray area.

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Speaker 2: People just think they can manifest it by just saying

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Speaker 3: Clarity, right, But if you're not taking action, you're just

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00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,640
Speaker 3: going to send your nervous system into a downward spile,

436
00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,561
Speaker 3: because you're going to be in that moment of being

437
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,360
Speaker 3: drip fed so much that you're like, probably have bills

438
00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,041
Speaker 3: to pay, and you're like, oh, it's fine, everything, You'll

439
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,961
Speaker 3: be fine. Money will just fall out of fucking thin air,

440
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, And the reality is like, when you're struggling

441
00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:43,761
Speaker 3: you have bills to pay, I don't know, Like I

442
00:17:43,761 --> 00:17:46,561
Speaker 3: think like manifestation alone is not enough in those moments.

443
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,080
Speaker 3: You have to be willing in those moments where you

444
00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,920
Speaker 3: have your backup against a wall to fucking figure it

445
00:17:52,041 --> 00:17:54,120
Speaker 3: out of how you're going to get those bills paid.

446
00:17:54,481 --> 00:17:57,801
Speaker 3: And yes, still have and want the manifestation mindset, but

447
00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,400
Speaker 3: you have to do the hard work too. And I think,

448
00:18:00,481 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 3: at least for me, those moments have taught me in

449
00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,241
Speaker 3: this moment where I'm avoiding hard work and I want

450
00:18:05,241 --> 00:18:07,721
Speaker 3: it to be easy, and I want manifestation to feel easy,

451
00:18:07,721 --> 00:18:10,041
Speaker 3: into money to feel easy. I still have to do

452
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,640
Speaker 3: what is hard, and I still have to implement hard

453
00:18:12,681 --> 00:18:15,001
Speaker 3: work to get where I want to go and do

454
00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:17,441
Speaker 3: things that I don't want to do because I have

455
00:18:17,521 --> 00:18:18,120
Speaker 3: to got to.

456
00:18:18,481 --> 00:18:18,880
Speaker 1: You have to.

457
00:18:19,321 --> 00:18:20,841
Speaker 3: When you have your backup against the wall, you don't

458
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,200
Speaker 3: have a choice. It's so true, Like that's just the

459
00:18:23,201 --> 00:18:25,961
Speaker 3: reality of it. I do think when you move through

460
00:18:26,041 --> 00:18:28,241
Speaker 3: hard work and you're willing to do what is hard,

461
00:18:28,321 --> 00:18:30,561
Speaker 3: I think your mindset around money becomes better.

462
00:18:30,681 --> 00:18:33,041
Speaker 2: It does, and you become more resilient, more resilient, don't

463
00:18:33,041 --> 00:18:35,281
Speaker 2: slip back into the victim of old stories as much so.

464
00:18:35,441 --> 00:18:36,761
Speaker 1: It does move the needle forward.

465
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,321
Speaker 3: And I think because you do that hard work and

466
00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 3: then you create the resource of money, you then go,

467
00:18:42,041 --> 00:18:45,401
Speaker 3: oh wow, I have stability in myself, rely on myself,

468
00:18:45,441 --> 00:18:47,841
Speaker 3: and then your mindset with each level that you do

469
00:18:47,921 --> 00:18:51,120
Speaker 3: more hard work increases, and then you get to that

470
00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 3: point where you're like, money is abundant. I can create it.

471
00:18:53,721 --> 00:18:55,840
Speaker 3: It's a never ending resource. All that sort of stuff,

472
00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:58,041
Speaker 3: because you know how to create it yourself.

473
00:18:58,041 --> 00:18:58,801
Speaker 1: You've had that evidence.

474
00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,521
Speaker 3: You have evidence.

475
00:18:59,561 --> 00:19:00,920
Speaker 1: That's really cool. How about you?

476
00:19:00,921 --> 00:19:01,441
Speaker 3: What do you think?

477
00:19:01,961 --> 00:19:04,360
Speaker 2: I agree everything you said. Yeah, I'm not someone that

478
00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:07,360
Speaker 2: like actively manifest money. I feel like I've got a

479
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,880
Speaker 2: pretty good relationship with money, but sometimes maybe I'm a

480
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,041
Speaker 2: little bit too flowy with it. How do you mean,

481
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,201
Speaker 2: like I could invest more? Yeah, I could learn more

482
00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:17,680
Speaker 2: about it, but I sometimes it's get a bit content

483
00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:18,880
Speaker 2: that as long as I can pay my bills and

484
00:19:18,921 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 2: have good time, I'm happy.

485
00:19:20,481 --> 00:19:20,881
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:19:21,281 --> 00:19:23,321
Speaker 3: I love that beautiful place to be.

487
00:19:23,561 --> 00:19:25,120
Speaker 1: It is nice. It's funny.

488
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,201
Speaker 2: I've got to comment recently on a video I did

489
00:19:27,241 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 2: and I was wearing like a surprey outfit and then

490
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,160
Speaker 2: I had a little Bitton bag. This girl's like, I

491
00:19:31,201 --> 00:19:32,640
Speaker 2: just love the You're the biggest bargain hunt to Like,

492
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,041
Speaker 2: I'll do a km my hole. Then I'll also splash

493
00:19:35,041 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 2: five K in a bag.

494
00:19:35,961 --> 00:19:36,161
Speaker 1: Yeah.

495
00:19:36,321 --> 00:19:38,961
Speaker 3: The freedom to be able to do that though, sure, But.

496
00:19:38,961 --> 00:19:41,441
Speaker 2: I'm not very attached to money. But in saying that,

497
00:19:41,521 --> 00:19:43,561
Speaker 2: we all need it for survival and when it's low

498
00:19:43,721 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 2: it stresses me out. Ye. Certainty and safety is something

499
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 2: that especially US females really really need.

500
00:19:49,681 --> 00:19:50,081
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:51,921
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I have a really good relationship

502
00:19:51,921 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: with money, but I just get a little bit like

503
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 2: cringey when people think they can just say the affirmations

504
00:19:56,201 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 2: and manifested but not actually do the work.

505
00:19:57,921 --> 00:20:00,001
Speaker 3: I think also as well, though, because like this conversation

506
00:20:00,041 --> 00:20:02,241
Speaker 3: we're having around you being hustling since you were thirteen,

507
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,321
Speaker 3: at every stage of your life, you've done things that

508
00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,001
Speaker 3: you haven't wanted to do. Oh yeah, so that you

509
00:20:06,041 --> 00:20:08,441
Speaker 3: could create money. Yeah, you know, because I.

510
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 2: Didn't grow up with it, and I didn't grow up

511
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,521
Speaker 2: with a sense of safety, Like we were literally homeless

512
00:20:11,561 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 2: at one point, so I just never wanted to be

513
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 2: in that position.

514
00:20:13,681 --> 00:20:13,921
Speaker 3: Again.

515
00:20:14,281 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: I always wanted to be able to take care of myself,

516
00:20:16,561 --> 00:20:18,121
Speaker 2: and I was out a home when I was sixteen two,

517
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,601
Speaker 2: so I've really had to take care of myself. So

518
00:20:20,961 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 2: I've always just been prepared to get my handswered and

519
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,761
Speaker 2: do what I need to do to survive. So it's

520
00:20:25,801 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 2: really served me. I remember being in high school and

521
00:20:27,921 --> 00:20:29,561
Speaker 2: my friends it could just go in their parents' walle

522
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 2: and take money out, and their parents would give them

523
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 2: fifty bucks to go the movies, and I would have

524
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,041
Speaker 2: to go peel potatoes for five dollars an hour to

525
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: be able to go and do those things. And he

526
00:20:36,961 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 2: used to just think that sucks, like they're so lucky.

527
00:20:39,561 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 2: My parents never give me money, Like I just I

528
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: have to earn every dollar of it and I have

529
00:20:42,721 --> 00:20:45,441
Speaker 2: to save. But now as an adult, I'm like, oh,

530
00:20:45,481 --> 00:20:48,201
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful. Yeah, I'm so grateful because my work

531
00:20:48,281 --> 00:20:52,001
Speaker 2: ethic is so good. I'm so prepared to work hard.

532
00:20:52,521 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 2: And now I'm in that phase with Targe where I'm like, Okay,

533
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't want him to suffer and for it to

534
00:20:56,961 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: be as hard as what it was for me, But

535
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,921
Speaker 2: I also don't want to just hand everything to him.

536
00:21:01,321 --> 00:21:03,321
Speaker 2: I'll be figuring it out with Steve obviously, like the

537
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 2: middle ground where he feels supported, but he has to

538
00:21:06,041 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 2: know the value of a dollar and then you have

539
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,561
Speaker 2: to work for it. It's not just gonna be handed

540
00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: to you. So that'd be interesting to navigate. Yes, he

541
00:21:12,961 --> 00:21:15,801
Speaker 2: gets into his teenage years. Absolutely, he's quite money motivated.

542
00:21:15,921 --> 00:21:16,121
Speaker 1: Yeah.

543
00:21:16,201 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: We have like this Spriggy account where he can earn chores.

544
00:21:19,041 --> 00:21:20,801
Speaker 2: He does a disrusher every single day to help the

545
00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:23,521
Speaker 2: family and that's just contribution and helps tidy up and

546
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: whatever and keeps his room clean. But the extra things

547
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: that he wants to do, he can earn money. I

548
00:21:27,481 --> 00:21:29,681
Speaker 2: love that for him. Yeah, but he is quite money motivated.

549
00:21:29,761 --> 00:21:32,121
Speaker 3: That's how he would learn Yeah, through those little things.

550
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, cool, if I want this, I've got

551
00:21:33,681 --> 00:21:34,401
Speaker 3: to do this. Yeah.

552
00:21:34,561 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think also i'd love to talk about

553
00:21:39,001 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: why women carry so much more money guilt, the good

554
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: girl programming, like being humble and being grateful and not

555
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 2: wanting too much, and how this affects women charging their worth,

556
00:21:48,801 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 2: asking for raises, or feeling worthy of wealth. And this

557
00:21:52,201 --> 00:21:54,761
Speaker 2: is really relevant right now because we have a girlfriend

558
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: who really struggles to have those conversations and it's landed

559
00:21:58,681 --> 00:22:01,241
Speaker 2: her in a position where she's in a well paying job,

560
00:22:01,321 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: but her boss just keeps throwing more and more roles

561
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,801
Speaker 2: at her and not setting her for it. So she's

562
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: burnt out, she's stressed, she's resentful, she's not enjoying the

563
00:22:10,681 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 2: role as much because she's taken on so much, and

564
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,961
Speaker 2: we're on the sideline. It's being like, oh my gosh,

565
00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:16,801
Speaker 2: you need to speak up, like you need to say something.

566
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,321
Speaker 2: You need to tell her no, no, say no, I

567
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: can do this and I'll take on that extra responsibility

568
00:22:22,241 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: for X amount. I'm not just going to do that

569
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:25,881
Speaker 2: for free. But because she's kind of done that from

570
00:22:25,921 --> 00:22:28,561
Speaker 2: the start, this bosh just keeps taking advantage of it

571
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,921
Speaker 2: and piling more on her, Like why do you think

572
00:22:30,961 --> 00:22:35,881
Speaker 2: women struggle for asking for a raise or even though

573
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,121
Speaker 2: for you with your coaching, I did it with being

574
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: a pt too, like raising my prices.

575
00:22:40,241 --> 00:22:41,281
Speaker 1: I felt bad about.

576
00:22:41,801 --> 00:22:43,521
Speaker 3: I want to help everyone. I know everyone kind of

577
00:22:43,521 --> 00:22:45,681
Speaker 3: afford it and like be accessible. I know what it's

578
00:22:45,761 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 3: like when I don't have much money and you know

579
00:22:47,481 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 3: they need this, but it's so important to know your worst.

580
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,161
Speaker 3: Why do you think women struggle with that? Well, that's

581
00:22:53,201 --> 00:22:56,521
Speaker 3: a big question, honestly, I think it comes down to

582
00:22:56,561 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: a couple of things, Like one, I think there's a

583
00:22:58,761 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: worth aspect to that, and of like I'm feeling deserving

584
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: of that amount of money, o the of it like

585
00:23:03,001 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 3: only because they haven't learned how to hold it, and yes,

586
00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:08,321
Speaker 3: like almost don't feel comfortable to fully take up space

587
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,881
Speaker 3: in that sense, and being like no, I deserve this

588
00:23:11,001 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: because I'm worthy of this. I think most women have

589
00:23:13,721 --> 00:23:16,561
Speaker 3: to some degree self worth issues and like struggle with

590
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,201
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff.

591
00:23:17,241 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: Scared of getting rejected and being told no absolutely, scart

592
00:23:19,921 --> 00:23:22,201
Speaker 2: of the job being replaced maybe by a man.

593
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,241
Speaker 3: For sure, so many things, and I think as well,

594
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,841
Speaker 3: not wanting to be a burden and conflicts because now

595
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,721
Speaker 3: good GOL programming, right, GOL programming. Yeah, because it's like, oh, well,

596
00:23:29,761 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: if I speak up to my boss, am I going

597
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,921
Speaker 3: to then lose out and potentially get fired? Are they

598
00:23:34,961 --> 00:23:36,481
Speaker 3: not going to like what I have to say? And

599
00:23:36,521 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: that is like a lot of women do struggle with

600
00:23:39,041 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 3: communication and open, you know, having conflict or even knowing

601
00:23:42,961 --> 00:23:46,521
Speaker 3: how to handle someone being combative, right, because we're so

602
00:23:46,681 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: terrified of rejection and someone standing up to us or

603
00:23:50,041 --> 00:23:53,401
Speaker 3: challenging us even that we don't know how to respond

604
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,321
Speaker 3: in those moments. So it's like, oh, I better just

605
00:23:55,721 --> 00:23:58,161
Speaker 3: not be a burden. I better not speak up. I'll

606
00:23:58,201 --> 00:24:00,041
Speaker 3: cop the brunt of this, which women have been doing

607
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,041
Speaker 3: for forever. I'll hold the discomfort so I can please

608
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,721
Speaker 3: everybody else.

609
00:24:03,801 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know for me, I never want to

610
00:24:05,441 --> 00:24:08,241
Speaker 2: be difficult, like somebody to say, oh, she's so difficult,

611
00:24:08,241 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: Like that's not comfortable for me. Someone's to ever make

612
00:24:10,721 --> 00:24:13,281
Speaker 2: that comment about me. It makes me feel really uncomfortable.

613
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,561
Speaker 2: Oh so in the past, that's why I've kept down

614
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,081
Speaker 2: even doing influencing work. Having a manager is so important

615
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: because I'm not very good at having money conversations. Yeah,

616
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,801
Speaker 2: I used to do post for brands for free all

617
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,881
Speaker 2: the time until another influence was like, what the fuck

618
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: are you doing?

619
00:24:27,961 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: Why are you doing that?

620
00:24:28,761 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're paid.

621
00:24:30,001 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not your job to build the empire for free.

622
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: You've worked so hard to build this audience and now

623
00:24:33,721 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: you're just doing it for free. And she said to me,

624
00:24:35,481 --> 00:24:36,361
Speaker 2: they'll be laughing at you.

625
00:24:36,721 --> 00:24:37,721
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god.

626
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: Wow.

627
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a manager and start a charge for it.

628
00:24:40,441 --> 00:24:42,561
Speaker 2: But I even felt bad charging and I want to

629
00:24:43,001 --> 00:24:45,041
Speaker 2: over deliver and do more posts on what I needed

630
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: to do, and I still could fall into it the

631
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,441
Speaker 2: brand that owes me money. Yeah, that's why I got

632
00:24:49,441 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: paid for one set of Instagram stories and one reel.

633
00:24:52,761 --> 00:24:54,561
Speaker 2: I put it on TikTok, I put on Snapchat, I

634
00:24:54,561 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: did extra tags on Instagram. I wanted to over deliver

635
00:24:57,801 --> 00:24:59,601
Speaker 2: because I want the brand to be happy with me.

636
00:25:00,001 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: But then they just didn't take care of you at all.

637
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to self manage because I don't

638
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,521
Speaker 2: want to have money conversation and I feel bad charging

639
00:25:07,041 --> 00:25:09,841
Speaker 2: for something that I enjoy doing and I would probably promote.

640
00:25:09,521 --> 00:25:11,081
Speaker 1: Anyway, but it is business.

641
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,681
Speaker 2: Yeah, having money conversations As a female, I think it's

642
00:25:13,681 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: really really hard and it sucks. It shouldn't be like that,

643
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: But for minutes there's so much more easy and flowing.

644
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: It is just what it is.

645
00:25:20,721 --> 00:25:22,241
Speaker 3: It's like they take the emotion out of it's from

646
00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: Logic is logic, Business is business. Yeah, that's it. This

647
00:25:25,721 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: is data, this is information, this is like my feelings

648
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,201
Speaker 3: aren't involved here. This is just it is what it is.

649
00:25:31,561 --> 00:25:33,801
Speaker 3: They are so much more good at being assertive.

650
00:25:33,961 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: I love it.

651
00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:36,881
Speaker 3: You know, it's certain even confident and convicted in who

652
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: they are, and they have that natural.

653
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: Especially in business and finance. As I watched Steve doing it,

654
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,241
Speaker 2: I'm just like scratched my head. I'm like, how Yeah,

655
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,281
Speaker 2: I'm so not built that way. It's not wide that way.

656
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: It is really cool to see, and it's something I

657
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,761
Speaker 3: think us women can learn from men.

658
00:25:49,681 --> 00:25:50,561
Speaker 1: And admire in them.

659
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

660
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,561
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's an all beautiful thing.

661
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,041
Speaker 1: A generalization for sure. I'm speaking of my own personal experience.

662
00:25:55,681 --> 00:25:57,441
Speaker 3: The same here, but I think for the most part,

663
00:25:57,481 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: a lot of women, and it is a generalization, but

664
00:25:59,441 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 3: a lot of women can struggle with self worth, conflict, money,

665
00:26:03,481 --> 00:26:06,041
Speaker 3: feeling worthy. So it's like all those tied in together

666
00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:08,241
Speaker 3: no one wants to have money conversations.

667
00:26:08,281 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: No, they don't, you know.

668
00:26:09,481 --> 00:26:12,481
Speaker 3: And same thing with coaching, as I've increased my prices.

669
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,641
Speaker 3: When I first started my coaching business, Oh my god,

670
00:26:15,681 --> 00:26:17,801
Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to be able to work. I

671
00:26:17,921 --> 00:26:19,521
Speaker 3: chose to work with a business coach from the get

672
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: go and my business, but she challenged me to raise

673
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,561
Speaker 3: my prices from the get go. She's like, Tiana, do

674
00:26:25,721 --> 00:26:28,881
Speaker 3: not charge under this per hour? And I was like,

675
00:26:29,281 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: what do you mean. I was like, good, I'll just

676
00:26:30,961 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 3: do it for free, Like I don't need this amount

677
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,001
Speaker 3: of money. She's Kiana, learn from me. She's like, I

678
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,801
Speaker 3: undercharged four years. Don't do it. Just start strong and

679
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,961
Speaker 3: stand behind yourself. And that in itself was a challenge

680
00:26:43,001 --> 00:26:46,321
Speaker 3: to really be able to see myself and my worth

681
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 3: and be able to be able to go wout what

682
00:26:48,761 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: I have to offer is worth this in exchange and

683
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: really seeing myself in that way of, hey, this is

684
00:26:53,721 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: really valuable what you're doing. I think that's the biggest

685
00:26:56,481 --> 00:26:58,801
Speaker 3: lesson in all of this, is like being able to

686
00:26:58,801 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: see ourselves as something that is a valuable commodity and

687
00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:04,801
Speaker 3: a valuable exchange enough for money in return.

688
00:27:05,201 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: Yes, another conversation around money too, is I think there

689
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,001
Speaker 2: is shame around enjoying and loving money. Yeah, there is,

690
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: And there was once a friendship dynamic where I really

691
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,921
Speaker 2: felt this and maybe feel like shit because she would

692
00:27:18,921 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: always say she doesn't need money, doesn't need the nice things,

693
00:27:21,241 --> 00:27:24,041
Speaker 2: and I really enjoy the nice things. I enjoy flying

694
00:27:24,041 --> 00:27:26,441
Speaker 2: business class, I enjoy having a nice car, I love

695
00:27:26,481 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: owning my home. I love being able to go up

696
00:27:28,561 --> 00:27:29,841
Speaker 2: date nights and not I have to look at the

697
00:27:29,921 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: price of the menu, like I really love having money.

698
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: But saying that out loud, I think I've carried shame

699
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,161
Speaker 2: around it in the past, and like I wonder where

700
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,241
Speaker 2: that comes from. But I think I'm fearful that people

701
00:27:40,281 --> 00:27:43,041
Speaker 2: think that we're talking about money or having nice things

702
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: is rubbing it in their face. I think back of

703
00:27:45,281 --> 00:27:47,281
Speaker 2: my younger self, and I didn't like how that felt

704
00:27:47,321 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: for me. At the end of the day, that's not

705
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:54,281
Speaker 2: my responsibility to hold everyone through their relationship with money.

706
00:27:54,521 --> 00:27:57,801
Speaker 2: We all have a relationship with money, being negative, positive, neutral,

707
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: whatever it is. But I definitely have felt uncomfortable talking

708
00:28:02,241 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: about it. But then I'm also I've spoken about this

709
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: in a previous episode, so if you've heard this before.

710
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,681
Speaker 2: I do apologize, but there was one influence online who

711
00:28:08,681 --> 00:28:10,761
Speaker 2: speaks very openly about the money that she owns, and

712
00:28:10,801 --> 00:28:14,481
Speaker 2: I just remember feeling so inspired and empowered by the

713
00:28:14,521 --> 00:28:18,001
Speaker 2: way she spoke about money and finances and she energetically

714
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: was just attracting more but doing the things, and it

715
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,721
Speaker 2: felt so good for her, and I was so proud

716
00:28:21,761 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: of her from an outside of how hard she worked

717
00:28:23,681 --> 00:28:25,481
Speaker 2: in the life she was living, and I was like, fuck, yeah,

718
00:28:25,521 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: that's really cool. And I wanted to be able to

719
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: do that for women as well. So that's why I've

720
00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:31,241
Speaker 2: been a little bit more open with money and trying

721
00:28:31,281 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: to dissolve the shame for myself and for other people.

722
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: And when I see other women talking about I'm like, fuck, yeah, yeah,

723
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: you went ten mil last year. Yeah, yeah, you go

724
00:28:38,601 --> 00:28:40,881
Speaker 2: and did Yeah we earned one hundred and fifty grand

725
00:28:40,921 --> 00:28:43,681
Speaker 2: salary from seventy five now fuck yeah, yeah you should

726
00:28:43,761 --> 00:28:45,601
Speaker 2: be proud and scream that to the rooftops.

727
00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:46,401
Speaker 3: Good on you. Yeah.

728
00:28:46,481 --> 00:28:48,601
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people are really uncomfortable

729
00:28:49,001 --> 00:28:50,521
Speaker 2: talking about that because I don't want to feel like

730
00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:52,721
Speaker 2: they're bragging or rubbing in other people's face that don't

731
00:28:52,721 --> 00:28:54,241
Speaker 2: have it. Even the other day, I had a girl

732
00:28:54,281 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: swipe up. It was Tyler's birth. Then I did a

733
00:28:56,241 --> 00:28:58,401
Speaker 2: little hall on snapchat of what I got her. We

734
00:28:58,441 --> 00:29:00,241
Speaker 2: actually spent like maybe a hundred and fifty bucks in

735
00:29:00,281 --> 00:29:02,681
Speaker 2: her presence. They were cheap barbies, a cheap doctor's set.

736
00:29:02,761 --> 00:29:05,041
Speaker 2: We just went to a toy place. And this later

737
00:29:05,201 --> 00:29:07,001
Speaker 2: swiped up and I can't remember a word for word,

738
00:29:07,001 --> 00:29:10,001
Speaker 2: which basically she was like, this is really insensitive. Most

739
00:29:10,041 --> 00:29:11,961
Speaker 2: of us can't afford food on our plates, and here

740
00:29:11,961 --> 00:29:13,721
Speaker 2: you are bragging about what you've got for your daughter.

741
00:29:14,081 --> 00:29:14,641
Speaker 1: Read the room.

742
00:29:14,881 --> 00:29:16,561
Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow.

743
00:29:16,721 --> 00:29:17,321
Speaker 1: Yeah.

744
00:29:17,401 --> 00:29:20,961
Speaker 2: I was like, this is why people get uncomfortable talking

745
00:29:20,961 --> 00:29:22,761
Speaker 2: about it, because my intention was not to rub that

746
00:29:22,801 --> 00:29:24,921
Speaker 2: anyone's faces. I'm trying to give my girl a Barbie

747
00:29:24,961 --> 00:29:27,921
Speaker 2: Duck yet. But it just goes to show where everyone's at,

748
00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:29,881
Speaker 2: and they're going to be triggered depending on where they're

749
00:29:29,881 --> 00:29:32,161
Speaker 2: at their relationship with money, and they're the beliefs of

750
00:29:32,881 --> 00:29:36,161
Speaker 2: where they feel stuck and what's not possible to change.

751
00:29:36,561 --> 00:29:38,921
Speaker 2: If she feels like this is her life, ever, she's

752
00:29:38,961 --> 00:29:40,721
Speaker 2: forever going to be triggered by someone that has money.

753
00:29:40,961 --> 00:29:43,361
Speaker 3: That's right. It's maybe even a thing for her of like, oh,

754
00:29:43,401 --> 00:29:45,681
Speaker 3: that's not possible for me, and it's triggering.

755
00:29:45,321 --> 00:29:46,361
Speaker 1: So why is it fair that you get it?

756
00:29:46,481 --> 00:29:48,601
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's obviously triggering a desire of something that she

757
00:29:48,681 --> 00:29:50,681
Speaker 3: wants and feels like she can't have exactly know, and

758
00:29:50,721 --> 00:29:54,281
Speaker 3: that's unfortunate, unfortunately the reality for some people. But also

759
00:29:54,801 --> 00:29:56,641
Speaker 3: you're also in a different position, do you know what,

760
00:29:57,001 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: And to tiptoe around your relationship with things to not

761
00:30:01,121 --> 00:30:04,521
Speaker 3: piss off anybody is doing you a disservice, right, because

762
00:30:04,521 --> 00:30:07,081
Speaker 3: then you're also not speaking to the people that are

763
00:30:07,121 --> 00:30:07,921
Speaker 3: inspired by that.

764
00:30:08,001 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know.

765
00:30:09,401 --> 00:30:11,841
Speaker 3: And I think you get to have what you have

766
00:30:11,921 --> 00:30:13,761
Speaker 3: and you're at the level that you're at because of

767
00:30:13,801 --> 00:30:16,281
Speaker 3: what you've created for yourself, and to not enjoy that,

768
00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:20,001
Speaker 3: to be mindful of other people's feelings and emotions is yeah,

769
00:30:20,041 --> 00:30:21,281
Speaker 3: I think doing you a disservit.

770
00:30:21,441 --> 00:30:22,921
Speaker 1: It is you know, go to eighty years old and

771
00:30:23,001 --> 00:30:24,521
Speaker 1: be like, why the fuck did I do that? Yeah?

772
00:30:24,681 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: This wasted my whole life tiptoeing walking on eggshells for

773
00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:30,401
Speaker 2: people I don't even know online in case I upset

774
00:30:30,441 --> 00:30:31,801
Speaker 2: them because I spent money on xyz.

775
00:30:32,001 --> 00:30:34,161
Speaker 3: But could you imagine if we all walked around tiptoeing

776
00:30:34,161 --> 00:30:36,681
Speaker 3: and oh, trying to please everybody. I mean people do

777
00:30:36,721 --> 00:30:38,841
Speaker 3: it now, yeah, but everyone's unhappy.

778
00:30:39,041 --> 00:30:40,881
Speaker 2: Yes, And people have such strong opinions on what you

779
00:30:40,921 --> 00:30:42,921
Speaker 2: should and shouldn't spend. And when I went to Paris

780
00:30:42,961 --> 00:30:44,641
Speaker 2: and I showed me buying a little moved on bag,

781
00:30:44,961 --> 00:30:47,161
Speaker 2: oh shit, I coughed for that. You can be donating

782
00:30:47,161 --> 00:30:48,441
Speaker 2: that money, you can be doing this with that blah

783
00:30:48,441 --> 00:30:50,681
Speaker 2: blah blah. I'm like, I do donate money. And I

784
00:30:50,721 --> 00:30:54,001
Speaker 2: also bought myself a bat. Yeah, I vot, I do vote, yeah,

785
00:30:54,041 --> 00:30:56,401
Speaker 2: because I'm in this position where I've worked so hard

786
00:30:56,441 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: to Yeah, where I am. I'm not going to live

787
00:30:58,241 --> 00:31:00,561
Speaker 2: with myself or live my life by your rule book

788
00:31:00,601 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: that you've made up.

789
00:31:01,681 --> 00:31:03,841
Speaker 3: I got my own rules and I'm going to follow them. Yeah,

790
00:31:04,281 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: you do you boot, Yes, But you know what, at

791
00:31:07,521 --> 00:31:09,481
Speaker 3: the end of the day, this is the conversation, right.

792
00:31:10,001 --> 00:31:13,201
Speaker 3: Everyone is responsible for their own triggers, yes, And it's

793
00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: easy to project the responsibility onto the person who is

794
00:31:16,481 --> 00:31:18,961
Speaker 3: triggering you in the moment, but it's actually not about

795
00:31:18,961 --> 00:31:21,041
Speaker 3: them at all. It has nothing to do with him.

796
00:31:21,081 --> 00:31:23,601
Speaker 3: Because if it wasn't that person who's triggering you it'll

797
00:31:23,601 --> 00:31:25,481
Speaker 3: be the next person. It'll be the next person that

798
00:31:25,521 --> 00:31:27,321
Speaker 3: you see on social media. It'll be the person that

799
00:31:27,361 --> 00:31:29,041
Speaker 3: you see driving in a g wagon that you're like,

800
00:31:29,081 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: why the fuck can't I have that? And it's not

801
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:33,841
Speaker 3: their responsibility. It's your responsibility to look at all of

802
00:31:33,841 --> 00:31:37,121
Speaker 3: the things that are triggering you for a reason, unpacking

803
00:31:37,201 --> 00:31:39,681
Speaker 3: why and figuring out what it is you actually want

804
00:31:39,761 --> 00:31:42,401
Speaker 3: and focusing on creating that instead of shitting on other people.

805
00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:43,001
Speaker 1: Right.

806
00:31:43,081 --> 00:31:44,241
Speaker 3: And I've been there, and I can only say it

807
00:31:44,241 --> 00:31:46,361
Speaker 3: because I used to do it. I used to get

808
00:31:46,441 --> 00:31:49,521
Speaker 3: so triggered by people on social media who had the

809
00:31:49,561 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: lifestyle and the car and all the designer bause and

810
00:31:52,601 --> 00:31:54,521
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, like that feels so

811
00:31:54,641 --> 00:31:57,721
Speaker 3: far away, feel so far away from me. But that's

812
00:31:57,801 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: the work. That was the work for me at seventeen

813
00:32:00,561 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: year old Tiana who felt super triggered and felt in

814
00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:05,561
Speaker 3: lack with money. It is your responsibility to look at

815
00:32:05,601 --> 00:32:06,921
Speaker 3: that and create it for yourself.

816
00:32:07,041 --> 00:32:09,561
Speaker 2: And the trigger is because you're wanting it. Yeah, So

817
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:12,241
Speaker 2: it's like, stop lying to yourself and saying that it's

818
00:32:12,281 --> 00:32:14,161
Speaker 2: not important to you and you don't need it or

819
00:32:14,201 --> 00:32:16,401
Speaker 2: you don't want it. Yeah, it's not actually the truth,

820
00:32:16,401 --> 00:32:18,481
Speaker 2: because if that was the case, you wouldn't getrigged by it.

821
00:32:18,561 --> 00:32:20,081
Speaker 2: So when people get trigged when they see a really

822
00:32:20,121 --> 00:32:22,841
Speaker 2: happy couple and I start shooting them online, well that's fake.

823
00:32:22,921 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: This is all for socials. It's like, why is it

824
00:32:25,281 --> 00:32:25,841
Speaker 2: bothering you?

825
00:32:25,921 --> 00:32:26,201
Speaker 1: Yes?

826
00:32:26,481 --> 00:32:29,161
Speaker 3: Yes, so true, it's so true. Super happy.

827
00:32:29,281 --> 00:32:31,641
Speaker 2: Yeah what if they legit are really happy and like

828
00:32:31,641 --> 00:32:32,841
Speaker 2: that and they just put the camera to get a

829
00:32:32,921 --> 00:32:35,081
Speaker 2: cute moment. Why are you about it?

830
00:32:35,281 --> 00:32:36,321
Speaker 1: Think it's cute.

831
00:32:36,441 --> 00:32:39,401
Speaker 3: That's the next conversation, isn't it. It's not greedy to

832
00:32:39,481 --> 00:32:40,121
Speaker 3: want for more.

833
00:32:40,201 --> 00:32:40,641
Speaker 1: It is not.

834
00:32:40,881 --> 00:32:43,241
Speaker 3: You're allowed to want for more, and you've probably got

835
00:32:43,241 --> 00:32:45,721
Speaker 3: on a budget. You're probably not asking for enough. Yeah, okay,

836
00:32:46,161 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: you're probably not asking for enough, and you're not greedy

837
00:32:48,241 --> 00:32:50,161
Speaker 3: for wanting more. There is no one on this earth

838
00:32:50,161 --> 00:32:52,161
Speaker 3: that does not want more money right now. Yes, no one.

839
00:32:52,201 --> 00:32:55,241
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone that is like, oh nah, I'm good, Yeah,

840
00:32:55,281 --> 00:32:58,001
Speaker 2: I've got enough of my bank. No, you can be grateful.

841
00:32:58,281 --> 00:33:01,001
Speaker 2: I'm super grateful. I'm comfortable. I'm not super rich and

842
00:33:01,041 --> 00:33:03,001
Speaker 2: i'm not super poor. I feel like I'm pretty comfortable.

843
00:33:03,081 --> 00:33:04,321
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do I want more? Yes?

844
00:33:04,361 --> 00:33:09,881
Speaker 3: Absolutely, finally more, And that's also I feel like changing

845
00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:13,401
Speaker 3: the relationship that you have with money as well is important,

846
00:33:14,201 --> 00:33:17,521
Speaker 3: you know, like what does money actually create? And why

847
00:33:17,521 --> 00:33:20,961
Speaker 3: would we not want more of this? Money creates safety, yes,

848
00:33:21,001 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: I want more of that.

849
00:33:21,841 --> 00:33:23,921
Speaker 1: Money creates freedom, Yes, I want more of that.

850
00:33:24,041 --> 00:33:26,721
Speaker 3: Money creates comfort, of course, I fucking want more for that.

851
00:33:26,801 --> 00:33:29,601
Speaker 3: Money creates experiences, Yes, I want more of that. And

852
00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:32,161
Speaker 3: as if you wouldn't want more, especially as a parent,

853
00:33:32,601 --> 00:33:35,081
Speaker 3: why you wouldn't want for more? And I think there's

854
00:33:35,121 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: this huge conversation and this is going on a ten

855
00:33:37,721 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: bring it in, but going on a tangent around you know,

856
00:33:40,361 --> 00:33:43,921
Speaker 3: women potentially mums or women who are looking for security,

857
00:33:44,241 --> 00:33:47,401
Speaker 3: to want their partner to be financially secure and to

858
00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:50,761
Speaker 3: be able to provide right, obviously it's your own relationship

859
00:33:50,761 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: with money, but also that too. Of of course you

860
00:33:53,601 --> 00:33:56,041
Speaker 3: want to feel safe, secure and feel like somebody has

861
00:33:56,041 --> 00:33:58,921
Speaker 3: got you your kids too, yeah, or to build something

862
00:33:58,921 --> 00:34:01,241
Speaker 3: with your partner. Why would you not want for more?

863
00:34:01,561 --> 00:34:03,761
Speaker 3: Like what about having a nine to five? Like does

864
00:34:03,801 --> 00:34:05,721
Speaker 3: that feel satisfying for you? Do you want something more

865
00:34:05,761 --> 00:34:07,641
Speaker 3: than that? Do you want to build an empire together?

866
00:34:07,801 --> 00:34:11,001
Speaker 3: Do you want to create a multi business with your partner, Like,

867
00:34:11,081 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: you're allowed to want for more and you just got

868
00:34:13,001 --> 00:34:14,641
Speaker 3: to be willing to reach for more and then do

869
00:34:14,721 --> 00:34:15,721
Speaker 3: the hard work that follows.

870
00:34:15,881 --> 00:34:16,681
Speaker 1: Do the hard work.

871
00:34:16,761 --> 00:34:18,601
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so much to look at here, hey, Like

872
00:34:19,001 --> 00:34:22,761
Speaker 2: in summery, your relationship with money. Your story is behind money. Yeah,

873
00:34:22,801 --> 00:34:26,281
Speaker 2: your old conditioning from your upbringing and your parents, the

874
00:34:26,321 --> 00:34:28,521
Speaker 2: shame that you might be carrying around talking about it,

875
00:34:28,721 --> 00:34:30,561
Speaker 2: asking for it, or wanting more.

876
00:34:31,121 --> 00:34:32,201
Speaker 1: There's so much to look at.

877
00:34:32,321 --> 00:34:35,721
Speaker 3: Being willing to charge your worth, being willing to push

878
00:34:35,801 --> 00:34:39,561
Speaker 3: your own boundaries, and discomfort around having conversations around money.

879
00:34:39,561 --> 00:34:42,521
Speaker 3: If you are owed, if you want to increase your prices,

880
00:34:42,841 --> 00:34:45,721
Speaker 3: if you want to get another job that pays more,

881
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,681
Speaker 3: go for it. You're allowed to do that.

882
00:34:47,921 --> 00:34:51,361
Speaker 2: Taking responsibility for the position you're in right now. I

883
00:34:51,401 --> 00:34:53,361
Speaker 2: know that all of your past decisions has led to

884
00:34:53,401 --> 00:34:55,001
Speaker 2: where you are right now. And if you're not happy

885
00:34:55,161 --> 00:34:58,001
Speaker 2: with the money that you're earning, if nothing changes, nothing changes,

886
00:34:58,241 --> 00:35:00,161
Speaker 2: you don't do anything now to change it and look

887
00:35:00,201 --> 00:35:03,361
Speaker 2: elsewhere and expand and do another course or get a

888
00:35:03,361 --> 00:35:04,801
Speaker 2: side hustle. You're going to be in the same position

889
00:35:04,881 --> 00:35:06,481
Speaker 2: this time next year, and there's only one person to

890
00:35:06,481 --> 00:35:08,601
Speaker 2: blame and that's you. Yeah, you can't sit in victim

891
00:35:08,681 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: blaming everything else outside of yourself when you're the only

892
00:35:11,441 --> 00:35:12,281
Speaker 2: one that can change it.

893
00:35:12,521 --> 00:35:14,561
Speaker 3: Yeah, And being willing to look at your money beliefs

894
00:35:14,601 --> 00:35:16,801
Speaker 3: and not run from them. So being willing to look

895
00:35:16,841 --> 00:35:19,521
Speaker 3: at them, being willing to look at the standards you

896
00:35:19,561 --> 00:35:22,401
Speaker 3: have for yourself, for your life, what you're entertaining, what

897
00:35:22,561 --> 00:35:25,601
Speaker 3: level of money you're currently entertaining, and what it is

898
00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:27,721
Speaker 3: that you give yourself permission to want for more.

899
00:35:27,961 --> 00:35:28,881
Speaker 1: You're allowed to want more.

900
00:35:29,001 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike Drop, thanks so much much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we'll see you on the next episode.

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Speaker 2: Bye.