1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: It's Monday, September twenty nine, twenty twenty five. Chinese police 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: are secretly training Solomon Island's cops in riot control. The 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Australians today revealing photos showing Chinese police in the province 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: of Malaita demonstrating how to use riot batterns and conducting 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: martial arts classes. There were anti Beijing riots in the 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: province in twenty twenty one, but the Solomon's government has 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: signed a security deal with China and is also allowing 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Chinese officials to conduct fingerprinting and questioning citizens in a 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: so called community policing exercise. Anthony Albanezi says he'll work 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: with imbattled UK Prime Minister Sir Kiir Stama to defend 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: democracy itself. That's in a speech overnight at the British 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Labor Conference in Liverpool. The PM visited King Charles at 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Balmoral and invited the Prince and Princess of Wales to 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: visit Australia with their children, but he's refused to meet 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: populist right wing leader Nigel Farage, who's aligned with Don Trump. 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Those stories alive right now At the Australian dot com 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: dot Au, a senior award winning seven News reporter has 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: been stood down after she initiated a class action against 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: the network for allegedly underpaying staff. It comes amid leadership turmoil, 21 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: a ratings nowsedive and widespread fears among staff about further 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: cost cutting. Today, what's going on at the legacy broadcaster 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: We are underway? Perfect bounce. Nearly four point one million 24 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: Australians did something very old fashioned over the weekend. They 25 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: flipped on the TV and tuned in to Network seven 26 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: to watch. 27 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: Live's amazing scenes. 28 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: Have brisbrant it come forty seven point fiors and that 29 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: made the AFL Grand Final, where Brisbane thrashed the Geelong Cats, 30 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: the most watched TV event of twenty twenty five, even 31 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: beating July's State of Origin to Cider in the Rugby League. 32 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: What tonight? 33 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: This is? 34 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: What a spectacle. The death of traditional broadcast television has 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: been grossly exaggerated. It's still kicking with a million viewers 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: each night watching seven and nine news bulletins at six pm. 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: But both these storied networks are going through change at 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: a head spinning pace. Nine's lost two chairs, a chief 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: executive ahead of News, and an EP of its top 40 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: rating current affairs show. Seven's gone through a giant reset too, 41 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: turning through two top news bosses, a CEO and an 42 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: entire generation of experienced news talent. We connect people with 43 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: people across Sydney, across Australia, and when we do it, 44 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: none of us are alone. Seven News connecting you. And 45 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: now Seven's facing a potentially multimillion dollar class action lawsuit 46 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: from its own staff. Steve Jackson edits The Australian's Media Diary. Steve, 47 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: what is going on with this lawsuit? 48 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: Claire? This has been going on for a couple of 49 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: months now. We first revealed this back at the start 50 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: of August that staff in at seven had been vised 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: Fair Work has put up the minimum wage. Congratulations, you've 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: got to pay rise. Unfortunately, there's a little bit of 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: bad news with that. We're taking it out of your 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: personal margin now. For people on contract at seven, a 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: personal margin is the amount that they get paid over 56 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: the awarded enterprise agreement salary, so they negotiate it themselves. Hey, 57 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm on this minimum amount, but I live in Sydney. 58 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: I live in Melbourne. He's a top up in it's 59 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: quite often called the Melbourne or the Sydney margin. So 60 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: everyone's gotten a little bit outraged by that, and then 61 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: they've started having a look around and going, well, hang on, 62 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: you're taking out this minimum salary increase, but at the 63 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: same time you haven't given me a pay rising years. 64 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: So they're complaining that even the most experienced newsroom operatives 65 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: are quite often on an entry level journalism grading and 66 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: making about fifty five to sixty five grand a year 67 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: with their personal margin on top. And nowadays they're doing 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: more work than ever. You know, they're doing three full 69 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: live crosses into bulletins. They're starting early, they're finishing late. 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 2: Particularly as newsrooms sort of reduce or retract in commercial 71 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: television outlets across the country, they're being asked to do 72 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: more with less and for less money. And it's just 73 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: created this tinder box of outrage and we're seeing it 74 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: starting to explode, with one staff member going well, hang on, 75 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: I'm actually going to do something about this. I'm calling 76 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: in the lawyers. We're starting a class action and we're 77 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 2: suing Channel seven. 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: What do we know about the person who's leading this 79 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: class action? 80 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: So she first raised the issues around the time we 81 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: found out about it. She went to her boss's and said, look, 82 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: there are these issues. We haven't been keeping tabs on 83 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: what hours everyone's working, and I'm actually really concerned that 84 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people basically aren't being paid for what 85 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: they're doing at the network. That was about seven weeks ago. 86 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: She ended up going off on stress leave, and she 87 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 2: returned to their network last Sunday. She told her bosses, hey, look, 88 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: I know I was stressed about all this, but I've 89 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: now passed it off to my lawyers and they're taking 90 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: on board. I'll let them deal with the nuts and 91 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: bolts with the bean counters upstairs, and I'll just get 92 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: back to the newsroom and do my job. Unfortunately, that 93 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: solution hasn't worked for everyone. 94 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: It's a bold move for a TV reporter to put 95 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: their heads up and make a complaint because in television, 96 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: unlike in newspapers, generally staff are on two year contracts. 97 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: That makes everyone pretty vulnerable, doesn't it. 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: It's the highs and lows of working in television. You 99 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: sign that two year contract, you're invincible for twelve months, 100 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: and then the next twelve months. It's that ongoing fear that, hey, 101 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: my contract's not going to be renewed, and you know, 102 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: it creates an ultra competitive environment quite often amongst people 103 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: on the same show, where they're competing for the boss's attention. 104 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: Rather than worrying about rival networks or rival programs, they're 105 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: trying to prove it they're better than their own colleagues 106 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: so that they get their contracts renewed. It's a really, 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: really combative, and I would say not ideal situation when 108 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: people are continually in fear that at the end of 109 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: their contract, thank you for coming, been great having you 110 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: here for two years, no reason that we're not extending it. 111 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: We're simply not. And we saw that in nine's Cultural 112 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: review last year that people were sort of describing the 113 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: feeling of being on Punishment Island at these shows. And 114 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: that's that period where, hey, your contract's up to expire 115 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: in six months. The boss doesn't want to renew it, 116 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: They don't want to tea just yet because they want 117 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: to get that last six months out of you. So 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: no one's sort of talking to you. You know that 119 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: you're about to be voted off Punishment Island, but there's 120 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: nothing you can do and it creates this environment where 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: one of the ways you'd try to get back in 122 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: the good books is basically to show that you're better 123 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: than your colleagues, rather than better than your rivals. 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: The management justification for doing that is that it obviously 125 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: at least it's better performance. Is that true? 126 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: Oh? Look, it's one of those things. There'd be a 127 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: lot of journals such as myself, who would say that 128 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: I was always performing better when someone was yelling at me. 129 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: You know, I definitely worked harder when someone put the 130 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: fear of God into me. Did it create a more 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: collegiate environment? Is it an acceptable culture of fear these days? 132 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: I'd say in an era where there's fewer journalism jobs, 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: but there's also fewer top line candidates, the right approach 134 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: is to try to hang on to the talented people 135 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: you have, and nowadays with competitive environment for candidates, if 136 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: you put the fear of God into people, they'll just 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: simply leave and go somewhere else. 138 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: Now, the journalist who's leading this class action has been 139 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: stood down. What seven's explanation to that? 140 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: According to multiple sources in a newsroom, they've told her 141 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: that they have three issues that have raised concern and 142 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: have cited these as the reasons they've stood down and 143 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: excluded her from the newsroom. Apparently, she turned up to 144 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: a first shift back in more than a month last Sunday, 145 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: and one of the red flags that management raised with 146 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: her was that she parked in the wrong parking spot 147 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: in the work car park. Now it's a Sunday shift. 148 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: Colleagues have told me that the car park's widely empty. 149 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: She pulled into a car spot, didn't think anything of it, 150 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: but they've listed that as one of the courses of concern. 151 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: Another one of the red flags was that she tried 152 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: to question a colleague about their experiences in the newsroom 153 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: with doing additional hours and how they had been paid 154 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: in what was described as a quote interview style unquote 155 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: setting doing work hours. Obviously, they're in the newsroom during 156 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: that Sunday shift, and there is some suggestion she was 157 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: trying to broach it so she could sign them up 158 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: to the class action and that that could be the 159 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: reason it raised some concerns. But that's another one of 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: the red flags. And the third official red flag was 161 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: that she's been told that she'd been reported for rifling 162 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: through the chief of staff's desk on the news desk. Again. 163 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: Colleagues have told me that's where the rosters were kept, 164 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: and that she's told other people in the newsroom she 165 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: was just trying to find out what shift she was doing. 166 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 2: And yet this has been raised as a potential mental 167 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: health concern and a reason to exclude her from the newsroom. 168 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, even if she did have a mental health concern, 169 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: is that a reason to stand someone down from the job? 170 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean, he's the fact of the matter 171 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: is she's turned up to work on a Sunday and 172 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: get this on top of all that. One of the 173 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: other issues they've raised with her is that nobody knew 174 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: she was coming in and saying, oh, you've unexpectedly turned 175 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: up for this shift. So it's a Sunday shift. They're 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: not popular to begin with. But I've also seen the 177 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: roster for that day. She's clearly down as being one 178 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: of five reporters rostered on, so they knew she was 179 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: coming in. So she's told colleagues in the newsroom, and 180 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: she sent an email to everyone in there saying that 181 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: she is she's being targeted in retaliation for trying to 182 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: sign up people to a class action, and they simply 183 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: don't want her in the newsroom, creating trouble and getting 184 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: more people to sign. 185 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: Up coming up. What's fueling all this newsroom drama some 186 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: very stark economics. People love predicting the death of television news, 187 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,239 Speaker 1: but clearly that's not anywhere close to happening. In Australia. 188 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: A million people still tune in every night to watch 189 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: seven and nine News, but what's happening inside seven? They've 190 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: had a very tumultuous year. 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: I mean, so the numbers don't really lie sapples for apples. 192 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: The same ratings boxes that were recording the numbers ten 193 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: years ago are still doing it today. And what we've 194 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: seen is there's this return to free tow aar television. 195 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: Arguably the price is right, it's free, but people are, 196 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: particularly in an AI era, they are tuning into six 197 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: pm news and you completely write, more than a million 198 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: people watching seven News every night at six pm, more 199 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: than a million people watching nine News at six pm 200 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 2: every night. Add in almost a million watching the ABC News. 201 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: There's this great hunger for live quality news. But unfortunately, 202 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: at the same time, there's been dramas behind the scenes 203 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: that the major commercial networks seven hasn't been spared. We've 204 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: seen two heads of news. It's all comes amidst very 205 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: drastic cost cutting. Last financial year we saw some one 206 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty staff get cut as they attempt to 207 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: rain in the high cost of making television. And I 208 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: mean that's one of the factors that makes it probably 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: an outlier in journalism. You look at radio, it's done 210 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: for effectively the cost of a phone call to get 211 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: someone on an interview them newspapers and online you've just 212 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: got to have a keyboard and type. But the cost 213 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: of making television is still exorbitantly high, and unfortunately a 214 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: lot of the ads that have traditionally supported that are 215 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: going to online channels like YouTube and Meta, and the 216 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: Australian commercial networks are finding it harder and harder to 217 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: justify the high cost of making top shelf, first class television. 218 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: You could argue that the six pm news bulletins have 219 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: always been a bit of a lost leader. You spent 220 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: a huge amount of money on them, but they set 221 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: your audience up for the night of viewing ahead. In 222 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: this age of streaming, where people might not necessarily intend 223 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: to stick with Network seven or nine all night, they're 224 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: going to turn off and go to Netflix instead. Does 225 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: that logic still work? Is that still what the TV 226 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: news bulletins are for? 227 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it is obviously something that gets 228 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: people in because you can't find that anywhere online. If 229 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: you are driving home and you see a car crash 230 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 2: or a fire or there's a roadbot, where are you 231 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: going to find out what's actually happened? And that's the 232 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: bread and butter of television news. You get home, you 233 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: can put it on in the background while you're making dinner, 234 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: which invariably most people still do because you know, you 235 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: don't have to pay attention to all of it. You 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: can tune in and out. But it is such a 237 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: high quality and popular way for people to get a 238 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: little news update as they're doing other things at home 239 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: of a night. Doesn't necessarily translate to hanging on to people, No, 240 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: probably not, but nine has revealed still they are the 241 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: number one channel amongst YouTube or any of the international 242 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: streamers like Netflix when it comes to what people are 243 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: still watching on their television, So obviously there is a 244 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: case to be made get them in with the news 245 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: and then during that will flood them with ads for 246 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: the great content coming up. Obviously they are still hanging 247 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: on to a lot of viewers and that approach sort 248 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 2: of justifies the continued existence of the news. 249 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Do you think those fears among staff about continued cost 250 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: cutting are going to come true? You know, are they 251 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: going to try and just pair those books right back 252 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: over the next decade or so? 253 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: Is it going to come true? 254 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: Yes? 255 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: Is it going to be over the next decade. No, 256 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be over the next twelve to twenty 257 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: four months. And what we're going to see is greater 258 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: nationalization of the news bulletins. So we've lived in this 259 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: great luxury where Brisbane has its own bulletin and Sydney 260 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: has one in Melbourne and Perth and Adelaide and it's 261 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: really curated to local tastes. What we're going to see 262 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: more is national news content filling up large swathes of 263 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: the hour long bulletins with only few or fewer local 264 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: news stories, and particularly we're going to see that in 265 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: regional areas where they're going to be hit with smaller newsrooms. Basically, 266 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: the networks still have to pump out Australian content, just 267 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be state based content. 268 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: Steve Jackson edits The Australian's media diary, and you can 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: read it right now at The Australian in dot com 270 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: dot au