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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 3: The alban Eazy campaign hits major hurdles just two days
Speaker 3: out from the election, with ministers now embroiled in controversy.
Speaker 3: Political editors are even saying that Labor may be more vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Than first thought that in a moment also tonight, does
Speaker 2: Labor actually believe in democracy?
Speaker 3: Well, Pennywog hints it plans to revive the Voice to
Speaker 3: Parliament and neo Nazis hit the campaign trail in Cawfield, Melbourne,
Speaker 3: dressing up as Jews. I'll show you the full video
Speaker 3: of these vile anti Semites shortly plus more bombshell accusations
Speaker 3: against Nine Star journalist Nick McKenzie in his pursuit of
Speaker 3: war hero Ben Robert Smith. Could these new text messages
Speaker 3: be his undoing What's another massive show tonight? Michael Kroger,
Speaker 3: Graham Rich and Holly Hughes, Bridget McKenzie and more. But first,
Speaker 3: the Albanezy government is stumbling towards the finish line in
Speaker 3: a disastrous final week of the campaign riddled with arrogance,
Speaker 3: deception and scandal from Pennywog's defiance of a democratic mandate
Speaker 3: on the Voice to allegations of foreign interference to reckless
Speaker 3: economic management jeopardizing our triple A credit rating. Well, the
Speaker 3: spin is no longer papering over these cracks. Well, let's
Speaker 3: start with Pennywong and the revelations today that she may
Speaker 3: want to resurrect the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, never mind
Speaker 3: that sixty percent of Australians voted against it. This is
Speaker 3: breathtaking arrogance. The referendum result was one of the clearest
Speaker 3: democratic rejections in modern Australian history. Yet the government, it seems,
Speaker 3: doesn't want to accept the result, and Pennywog in a
Speaker 3: soft in you casually dismisses the public's verdict.
Speaker 4: Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten
Speaker 4: years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?
Speaker 4: Like I always just say marriage equality, which took us
Speaker 4: such a bloody fight to get that done. And I thought,
Speaker 4: all this fuss, it'll become something and be like, people go,
Speaker 4: do we have an argument about that? They weren't even
Speaker 4: like kids today or any even adults today, barely kind
Speaker 4: of clock that it used to be an issue.
Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't just tone deaf, it's contempt for
Speaker 3: democracy intending to resurrect a policy Australians overwhelmingly voted against
Speaker 3: reflects the elitist arrogance that defines this government.
Speaker 2: Albanezy needs to recognize so that.
Speaker 3: Penny Wang has given him the worst day of his
Speaker 3: campaign so far.
Speaker 2: Now there's this questionable claim.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it, but it's a claim the media
Speaker 3: keeps prosecuting that she is the most.
Speaker 2: Popular politician in the country.
Speaker 3: But it's curious because if this were the case, well,
Speaker 3: wouldn't the Albin Easy roacho have featured her more heavily
Speaker 3: this campaign. The reality is Pennywong thinks she's a better
Speaker 3: mediate performer than she actually is, and she can't be
Speaker 3: trusted to stay on message. And if this is the case,
Speaker 3: imagine what she's saying in meetings with other countries. Pennywong
Speaker 3: is notorious for not doing hard interviews, but to do
Speaker 3: this soft chit chat with the Batuta advocate during an
Speaker 3: election campaign in the final high stakes week while Peter
Speaker 3: Darton took full advantage of her comments.
Speaker 5: Today you see Pennywong out there at the moment talking
Speaker 5: about the fact that the voice is inevitable, so under
Speaker 5: a labor Green's government. We see this secret plan to
Speaker 5: legislate the Voice and Penny Wong's let that cat out
Speaker 5: of the bag. Now people will be opposed to that
Speaker 5: because they thought they sent a very clear message to
Speaker 5: the Prime Minister that they didn't bought the voice.
Speaker 3: Now you can agree or disagree with the Voice, but
Speaker 3: the point is there was a referendum, Australians voted against
Speaker 3: it and having a blatant to disregard for democracy is
Speaker 3: more in line with communist regimes tyrannies on autocracies. And
Speaker 3: when I asked about this today, the Prime Minister didn't offer
Speaker 3: an adequate explanation.
Speaker 2: He sort of cracked a joke.
Speaker 6: Well, that's not what the Foreign Minister said at all,
Speaker 6: and she's right here, so probably not a great idea
Speaker 6: to verbal Penny one while she's sitting there. I'll just
Speaker 6: give you that. I'll just give you that tip for free.
Speaker 6: Ask getting you the cabinet colleagues. I'll explain to you
Speaker 6: why that's a bad idea.
Speaker 2: Well, that will be easy. I'll give you a tip
Speaker 2: for free.
Speaker 3: You can't pretend she didn't say what she said when
Speaker 3: it was an audio recorded interview. And then there's Clara
Speaker 3: O'neilustralian Electoral Commission has referred allegations that the Hubet Association,
Speaker 3: apparently linked to the Chinese Communist Party, planned to supply
Speaker 3: her campaign with volunteers. And this comes after the video
Speaker 3: admission from Monique Ryan's own volunteers yesterday. Now, if this
Speaker 3: is all true, it's deeply troubling. Australians shouldn't have to
Speaker 3: wonder where campaign influence ends and foreign interests begin. As
Speaker 3: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson says, this could be
Speaker 3: a serious national security matter.
Speaker 7: It's especially surprising that Clara O'Neil has found herself caught
Speaker 7: up in this because as the former Minister for Home Affairs,
Speaker 7: no one in the Federal Parliament should better understand the
Speaker 7: risks of foreign interference than her. No one would have
Speaker 7: been briefed more often and in a more detailed way
Speaker 7: than her. She was previously responsible for ASIO and so
Speaker 7: for her campaign to be caught up and this is
Speaker 7: especially troubling.
Speaker 3: And then there's Albanezi himself, who is substance free and
Speaker 3: spin deep, and he was today press by Andrew clonel
Speaker 3: on his onslought of lies during the campaign. He insists
Speaker 3: everything is hanky dory when the most reputable global ratings
Speaker 3: agency has put his government on notice that our tria
Speaker 3: A credit rating is at risk.
Speaker 2: And why S and P is.
Speaker 3: Concerned about structural spending that's built in spending.
Speaker 2: They're also concerned about over.
Speaker 3: One hundred billion dollars in hidden off budget spending and
Speaker 3: the unsustainable debt which is going to hit a trillion
Speaker 3: dollars next year. Now a downgrade would hit every Australian
Speaker 3: with a mortgage, a small business loan or even a
Speaker 3: credit card. And this isn't hypothetical. Alban Easy is officially
Speaker 3: on notice, and then it gets worse with Labour's likely
Speaker 3: co conspirators in the case of a hung parliament. Green's
Speaker 3: leader Adam band is already laying out his demands on Gaza,
Speaker 3: on so called Islamophobia, and of course on Israel. If
Speaker 3: we thought the Albertezy government has been hostile towards the
Speaker 3: only Jewish nation in the world, will wait until it
Speaker 3: co governs with the far left, anti Semitic Greens. And
Speaker 3: all this while the Teals are imploding. Sophie Scamps tried
Speaker 3: to exploit the tragic death of a young NROL player
Speaker 3: by falsely blaming it on climate change, and she was
Speaker 3: forced into an apology today, an embarrassing one to Keith
Speaker 3: Titmas's parents. But sorry, it seems, was the hardest word
Speaker 3: for her to say. Her apology, in my view, was
Speaker 3: half hearted, bungled and defensive, and it also ended with
Speaker 3: Sophie Scamps hanging up the phone on Ben Fordham when
Speaker 3: he didn't want to hear her ramble on about climate
Speaker 3: change anymore.
Speaker 8: If there's any distress or upset, deeply, deeply sorry, that
Speaker 8: was never any attention my intention at all, of course,
Speaker 8: loved best wishes and deep apologies if there was any well,
Speaker 8: if sorry, she is upset, and it went on.
Speaker 2: It got worse. The ending was worse. Now this was
Speaker 2: a shocker. Now.
Speaker 3: Sophie Scamps's top backer, Simon Holmes the Court, has also
Speaker 3: been caught out launching condescending sexist attacks on women.
Speaker 2: He dubbed Jane Hume.
Speaker 3: The nanny and a silly woman. He called Hume, Anne Rustin,
Speaker 3: Michaylia Cash and Maurice Payne crumb Maiden. They're the most
Speaker 3: senior women in the Liberal Party. These are the sexist
Speaker 3: remarks from the spiritual leader of the Teals, which supposedly
Speaker 3: ran on women's issues and integrity and speaking of hypocrisy, Well,
Speaker 3: let's return to Pennywog because this is a classic. Now
Speaker 3: you'd presume that Pennywang wouldn't be a great fan of
Speaker 3: Independent MP Day, who won the seat of Fowler from
Speaker 3: Pennywog's fellow mean girl, Christina Kinneerly. And so Pennywog has
Speaker 3: criticized Dilie for preferencing a candidate accused of racism. She said,
Speaker 3: it's concerning that Dilly is more committed to supporting the
Speaker 3: Liberals than standing up to this racism. So that's Pennywong
Speaker 3: there again, saying it's concerning that Dilly is more committed
Speaker 3: to supporting the Liberals through her preferencing, through her preferences,
Speaker 3: than standing up to this racism. But Labor is preferencing
Speaker 3: the Greens who've repeatedly been accused of racism and anti semitism,
Speaker 3: and they're preferencing the Greens in almost every seat across
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 2: Well, where is Pennywog's outrage about that?
Speaker 3: Of course there is none, because she has no moral clarity, consistency,
Speaker 3: or integrity.
Speaker 2: This is all.
Speaker 3: Dirty politics, and that dirty politics is working for labor.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister was cocky and arrogant today as he
Speaker 3: cracked jokes in response to serious questions about our nation
Speaker 3: at the National Press Club. And he's expecting to win
Speaker 3: big on Saturday, and so he doesn't think he has
Speaker 3: to properly answer questions from pesky press gallery journalists. And
Speaker 3: even when he was pressed on his record as Prime
Speaker 3: Minister and his inability to tell the truth, he just
Speaker 3: couldn't answer adequately.
Speaker 9: You said we'd have cheaper mortgages. We don't. You said
Speaker 9: an election night you'd commit to the ULARU statement in full.
Speaker 9: You haven't. And you said when you're messed up you
Speaker 9: would admit fault. Now you say Peter Dutton is seeking
Speaker 9: to Americanize the health system. He's promising to match your
Speaker 9: bulk billing funding.
Speaker 1: Some of you are.
Speaker 9: It's basically say he's going to abolish Medicare you say
Speaker 9: his nuclear plan will be funded by cuts? You're renewable
Speaker 9: subsidies and rewiring the nation aren't paid for by cuts.
Speaker 1: You must might come up here, Andrew, And my question is.
Speaker 9: How why do you have to exaggerate in this campaign.
Speaker 9: Why can't you win this election by telling the truth.
Speaker 6: We are absolutely telling Australians as Peter Dutton did on
Speaker 6: Sunday night in the Channel sevent debate.
Speaker 3: And Albineasy also won't say whether the nation is better
Speaker 3: off after three years of his government.
Speaker 4: Our Australians better off now than they were before you're elected.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the right answer to that is,
Speaker 6: and that is that Australians would be seven two hundred
Speaker 6: dollars worse off if Peter Duttner got his way.
Speaker 5: Good debating tactic, taking question, but it's not the question.
Speaker 6: And got his way. That is what Peter Dutton has done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mark Riley from Channel seven was right there,
Speaker 3: that was just a debating tactic. The Prime Minister, of
Speaker 3: course couldn't answer the question.
Speaker 2: And that is the key question. Are you better off?
Speaker 3: That's what voters will ask themselves when they enter the
Speaker 3: ballot box. And the reality is Albanezi took a small target,
Speaker 3: no risk agenda to the last election, but then sprang
Speaker 3: radical left ring reforms on the country without a mandate,
Speaker 3: think sky high immigration, a shift in foreign policy on Israel,
Speaker 3: environmental extremism, backflips on the Stage three tax cuts and
Speaker 3: now taxing unrealized capital gains tax.
Speaker 2: This was all kept secret.
Speaker 3: From voters before the last election in a calculated deception
Speaker 3: and it's astonishing they've got away with it, and there
Speaker 3: is genuine anger about this and the cost of living
Speaker 3: broken promises too with mainstream Australians. It's why Labour is
Speaker 3: most vulnerable in suburban areas. The Finn Review's political editor
Speaker 3: Phil Couri rites today that seat by seat polling by
Speaker 3: JWS Research backs the internal findings of both major parties
Speaker 3: that a certain demographic of seats out of suburban mortgage
Speaker 3: belt electorates with blue collar workforces, substantial commute times, high
Speaker 3: cost of living sensitivities, and in some cases high crime
Speaker 3: rates are behaving differently to the rest of the electorate.
Speaker 3: And The Australian's political editor Simon Benson says that while
Speaker 3: a hung parliament with a minority Labor government is most likely,
Speaker 3: he says there could be major surprises, and he says
Speaker 3: there are some parts of the country that are buying
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's message and not buying labors.
Speaker 2: The question is whether.
Speaker 3: It will be enough for the coalition to make the
Speaker 3: inroads it needs. So when the Prime Minister stands at
Speaker 3: the press club and dodgers questions and cracks jokes and
Speaker 3: refuses to say whether our country is better off, it's
Speaker 3: because he believes he's already won. He doesn't think he
Speaker 3: owes anyone an explanation. But his hubris could come back
Speaker 3: to bite him. After three years of broken promises and
Speaker 3: radical reform, Australians just might deliver him a protest vote
Speaker 3: that's strong enough to knock him off his perch. Now,
Speaker 3: the Albaneze government is trying its best to avoid speaking
Speaker 3: about anti Semitism, and yet it's erupting in polling booths.
Speaker 3: Two examples Today in the suburb of Cowfield in Melbourne,
Speaker 3: residents woke up to these disgusting flyers handed out by
Speaker 3: the National Socialist Network. It's a neo Nazi, white supremacist party.
Speaker 3: Have a look and as you can see, the Liberal
Speaker 3: Party apparently he gives the Jews everything they want. Of course,
Speaker 3: that is not a Liberal Party fly it's the neo
Speaker 3: Nazi flyer.
Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
Speaker 3: Neo Nazis dressed up as Jews confronted voters at.
Speaker 2: A polling booth in Q with anti Semitic messages.
Speaker 3: I would Australia need a dependent I mean, God.
Speaker 1: On Israel lawns free speech.
Speaker 9: Criticizing Jews is another hollass.
Speaker 2: It's another shout.
Speaker 10: We can't allow them.
Speaker 5: Anti lost jail hall antisis to get criminals smiling, criminals
Speaker 5: of kids.
Speaker 10: Anti slies are the really making juice feel safe.
Speaker 1: It's really all that matters.
Speaker 4: And we need to keep Jews free money because we
Speaker 4: know the Jews little.
Speaker 7: Short on cash, right, so good party website, these alpholsies.
Speaker 2: So many anti Semitic tropes there.
Speaker 3: It's of course highly offensive to the Jewish community in
Speaker 3: that electorate and beyond. Can you imagine having to confront
Speaker 3: that those neo Nazis as you turn up to vote.
Speaker 3: And they were also happy to parade their hatred on
Speaker 3: the side of a busy road. Now their posters say
Speaker 3: that it's authorized by Joel Davis. So this is the
Speaker 3: same group who marched on the Victorian Parliament late last
Speaker 3: year calling for Jews to leave Australia.
Speaker 6: By man.
Speaker 8: The man.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's chilling that this UnAustralian anti Semitic group
Speaker 3: is now turning up at polling booths to try influence
Speaker 3: the election and your vote. Now they are on the
Speaker 3: far right, then there's the radical Greens on the far left.
Speaker 3: There was also news today that Jewish Labor and p
Speaker 3: Josh Burns had his poster defaced with a red star
Speaker 3: of David A right to discuss this and more, Let's
Speaker 3: bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and
Speaker 3: labor legend Graham Richardson.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. It's exciting, it's election week.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to get your official predictions in a moment.
Speaker 3: But just sticking with this for a minute, Michael, I mean,
Speaker 3: this is horrific. This is the same neo Nazi group that,
Speaker 3: as we just heard there shouted freedom for the white man,
Speaker 3: the Jews must go, and now they're dressing up as
Speaker 3: Rabbis and Jews on a polling booth in Corefield.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, it's absolutely disgusting. But I'm sorry, I think
Speaker 1: you have to say this that Jewish hatred, anti Semitism,
Speaker 1: hatred of Benjamin Etniah of Israel and Israeli government have
Speaker 1: been licensed by the federal Labor government through their weakness,
Speaker 1: through all of the things they've done, these extremist Prohamus
Speaker 1: disgusting demonstrations parading in many cases as demonstrations to free
Speaker 1: Palestine when we know their riddle with Jewish hatred. We've
Speaker 1: seen the flags of terrorist organizations in some of these demonstrations,
Speaker 1: the weakness of our university leaders, the appalling behavior at
Speaker 1: Sydney Uni, monash Uni, the ANU, I mean, a weak
Speaker 1: government which has basically allowed this to flourish in this country.
Speaker 1: And the person the head of this snake is Alban Easy.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's anti Semitic himself, but through his
Speaker 1: weak action, the weak action of his government and the
Speaker 1: terrible things that they've done, the subliminal message has been
Speaker 1: to people that you can get away with this Jewish hatred,
Speaker 1: and this is the latest incarnation of it, and it's disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's a sickness. I've never seen it in my life
Speaker 1: in this country before. Social cohesion has been immensely and
Speaker 1: maybe permanently damaged under this labor government.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Michael Kroger.
Speaker 3: Now let's go back to talking about what I was
Speaker 3: just speaking about in my opening remarks that Albanezey can't
Speaker 3: answer the question posed by Mark Riley that Australians are
Speaker 3: better off. He can't say that they are better off
Speaker 3: now than they were three.
Speaker 2: Years ago when he was elected.
Speaker 7: Rich.
Speaker 2: This is the crux surely of what this election comes
Speaker 2: down to.
Speaker 10: Well, well, I think that the Australians can say they're
Speaker 10: certainly not worse off. Come on said, of course, no, I.
Speaker 8: Don't come.
Speaker 2: It's they're worse off now.
Speaker 10: I can see no reason why Australians would say they're
Speaker 10: worse off. I can see plenty of reasons why they
Speaker 10: can say are there as well of? And I think
Speaker 10: that's where most of them think. Most people are not
Speaker 10: walking around unhappy. This is not an unhappy country. This
Speaker 10: is you know, You've got to remember, if this was
Speaker 10: all really terrible and everyone hated the government, then the
Speaker 10: government would go in a flash.
Speaker 8: But it won't.
Speaker 10: It won't because that's not the case. That in the end,
Speaker 10: I think people think that the Albanesi government's been doing okay.
Speaker 10: I'm not suggesting they think it's wonderful, but they think
Speaker 10: it's it's enough to get half a tick, and that's
Speaker 10: about you they ever going to get in politics.
Speaker 3: I think you'd be very hard pressed to find a
Speaker 3: single Australian who said they were better off now than
Speaker 3: they were three years ago. And the reason the baseballouts
Speaker 3: aren't out, although they are out in some areas, but
Speaker 3: if they aren't out right across the country, I would
Speaker 3: say that's a failure of the coalition to pin the
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis on alban Easy. But Michael, do
Speaker 3: you want to respond to what Richard just said just
Speaker 3: there about the fact that Australians you know, aren't worse
Speaker 3: off now? Of course they are. All the data points
Speaker 3: to it. The interest rate rises, that how grocery prices
Speaker 3: have gone up by around forty percent, power bills have
Speaker 3: gone up.
Speaker 1: Michael, Well, I've known Graham for thirty years. We used
Speaker 1: to do channel line election courages together in the late
Speaker 1: eighties and he rarely gets things wrong. Occasionally he does,
Speaker 1: and tonight Graham might be one of the occasions. Of course,
Speaker 1: we're all better off under the Albany's. The government's been
Speaker 1: a spanking success. But show the big point. The bigger
Speaker 1: point is this, Why does albanias he get away with this?
Speaker 1: Why does charmers get away with things? It's because the
Speaker 1: press hold them to a lower, lower standard of account
Speaker 1: on economics. They basically think that Albo doesn't know much
Speaker 1: about economics and Charmers has just got an arts degree
Speaker 1: he doesn't really know. So when they make blunders and mistakes,
Speaker 1: people just say, oh, that's just Albo and Charmers. They're
Speaker 1: not a Costello or a Howard or a Keating or
Speaker 1: a Hawk. So all these young journals of these press
Speaker 1: conferences are just more interested in social policy than economic policy.
Speaker 1: But Charmers would never have got away with the stuff
Speaker 1: he got away with today if Lorry Oaks, Michelle Gratt
Speaker 1: and Paul Kelly were part of the traveling press pack. So,
Speaker 1: for example, Charmer said today he's got the debt down. Well,
Speaker 1: not on the traveling press pack, but Chalmers said today
Speaker 1: he's got the debt down. In last year's budget it
Speaker 1: showed that when Charmers became treasurer, gross debt was eight
Speaker 1: ninety five billion, and this year's budget shows that at
Speaker 1: the end of this decade it'll be one trillion, two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three billion gross stet Jim is going
Speaker 1: up three hundred and twenty eight billion on your watch,
Speaker 1: my friend. But not a single journalist, I mean Phil
Speaker 1: Corey in the finn has got onto this. I think
Speaker 1: Truey got onto it yesterday on Sky, but the Fairfax Press,
Speaker 1: the ABC show absolutely no interest in economics. Charmers is
Speaker 1: a political liar and a Charlatan par excellence. But people
Speaker 1: just think, look it's Jimmy. He's trying his best. He's
Speaker 1: not that good. He's not really an economist, so if
Speaker 1: he gets things wrong, don't hold the term he's a
Speaker 1: nice guy. Costello or Keating or Howard or Morrison, Freedenberg
Speaker 1: and you know Wayne Swan. These people are be hung,
Speaker 1: drawn and courted if they'd got numbers wrong like that
Speaker 1: and just light out right about the budget figures and
Speaker 1: no one asked them about it, so they're held to
Speaker 1: a lower standard of account. That's one on cost of living.
Speaker 1: He gets away with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there is something to be said that
Speaker 3: the media treatment has been softer.
Speaker 2: We've spoken about that on the show.
Speaker 3: Now, Richard, you might have known Albow when he worked
Speaker 3: at Pancakes on the Rocks back in the cety in
Speaker 3: the seventies, I think.
Speaker 2: But this is a very good story in the fin.
Speaker 3: Review today, so Albanezy has put forward the notion that
Speaker 3: hospitality businesses don't need to pass penalty rates onto consumers.
Speaker 3: He says that they don't need to because that's what
Speaker 3: happened when he worked at Pancakes on the Rocks, except
Speaker 3: that the fin review then tracked down the menu from
Speaker 3: when Albanezi did work at Pancakes on the Rocks, and
Speaker 3: of course at the very bottom the menu shows that
Speaker 3: they did have surcharges on public holidays, and there it
Speaker 3: is rich. You know, this might be a small example,
Speaker 3: but again it just goes to this build up of
Speaker 3: lies from alban Easy.
Speaker 10: Oh the guy, I think, you know, calling that a
Speaker 10: lie is going a bit far. I just look, some
Speaker 10: exaggeration is always going to happen in politics. The question
Speaker 10: is who's going to be the great exaggerators and who's not.
Speaker 10: I think Elbow is pretty good when it comes to
Speaker 10: telling the truth. No politician is ever going to tell
Speaker 10: the truth on every single occasion. There's just no way
Speaker 10: they can do that. You can't ask them if a
Speaker 10: colleague is doing a good job and expecting, as they
Speaker 10: know is dil They can't say that, So they'll say
Speaker 10: that the person are doing well.
Speaker 1: That's normal politics.
Speaker 10: That nothing less be here.
Speaker 3: I really had to stop myself from jumping in after
Speaker 3: about five seconds there. We have never seen a prime
Speaker 3: minister who's lied so much.
Speaker 2: It is egregious.
Speaker 3: I mean he he claims that Peter Dunnan wants to
Speaker 3: slash Medicare. Darnan has said over and over and over
Speaker 3: and over again he's not going to touch Medicare. There's
Speaker 3: no suggestion he would ever touch medicare. But this is
Speaker 3: what the Prime minister gets away with saying. He says,
Speaker 3: and again it's the small things that show how easily
Speaker 3: he lies. Michael, you know that the stage example, there's
Speaker 3: pancake example.
Speaker 2: It is a direct lie.
Speaker 3: He said there was no search charge. The menu turns
Speaker 3: up there's a surcharge.
Speaker 1: So there's two things to say. It shows you why
Speaker 1: a prime minister or treasurer who's never run a business
Speaker 1: or never worked in the private sector should be elected
Speaker 1: to any office when eighty percent of the jobs in
Speaker 1: this country come from the private sector. Does this guy
Speaker 1: have any idea how many restaurants, caf small businesses in
Speaker 1: the in the in the restaurant trade, live music, et cetera,
Speaker 1: wine bars, does he have it, small breweries? Does he
Speaker 1: have any idea how many of these businesses have gone
Speaker 1: to the wall in the last few years. If he
Speaker 1: thinks you can just just absorb these costs, this guy
Speaker 1: has no understanding of profit and loss statements. And secondly,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say Chary that probably since
Speaker 1: last Friday, Labor's momentum have stopped and the poles, you
Speaker 1: can just feel the poles turning back to Peter Dutton.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is people are now thinking, well,
Speaker 1: hang on, he lied to me about Dutton selling Turnble,
Speaker 1: selling medicare. They're lying to me about Dutton slashing medicare.
Speaker 1: They're lying to me about the deficit, the debt that
Speaker 1: they're lying to us about, you know, the energy prices
Speaker 1: being cheaper under renewables, they're lying to us about the
Speaker 1: cost of nuclear et cetera, et cetera. So people are thinking,
Speaker 1: are we here okay?
Speaker 3: So that brings me to the point you're saying, there's
Speaker 3: a slight turnaround in the polls. So Michael ten seconds,
Speaker 3: final prediction, who wins and if you can give a
Speaker 3: seat count, that would be good.
Speaker 1: Well, if the polls are right at fifty two forty eight,
Speaker 1: then the government will be returned in minority. All I,
Speaker 1: as I said, I'm still very much hoping that there's
Speaker 1: a late swing back to the Coalition and Peter Dutton wins,
Speaker 1: because I think it'll be a fantastic prime Minister.
Speaker 2: Richo, what do you think the final.
Speaker 10: Michaels had too many forlorn hopes over the course of
Speaker 10: the years, and there is but another one. Alba will
Speaker 10: win on the weekend that I have no doubt will
Speaker 10: he get there in his own right? My view is
Speaker 10: probably yes, which is not the common view, but I
Speaker 10: think Albo is going to do okay.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, well talk about how your prediction's fared
Speaker 3: this time next week.
Speaker 2: Thank you both so much.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now let's return to Penny Wong's claim that the Voice
Speaker 3: will eventually happen and Jonimir's National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie.
Speaker 2: Bridget, great to see you. Now. This is the worst.
Speaker 3: This is the worst thing Alberize could have hoped for.
Speaker 3: These comments from Pennywog. I mean, the Voice was resoundingly defeated.
Speaker 3: Do you think she really wants to.
Speaker 2: Have another voice referendum?
Speaker 11: Well, Shari, Sixty percent of Australia voted no to the
Speaker 11: Voice referendum in twenty twenty three. They sent a very
Speaker 11: clear message. They wanted practical action on the issues for
Speaker 11: Indigenous and torrestraight islands, particularly those invulnerable communities, but they
Speaker 11: did not think changing our constitution dividing Australians using the
Speaker 11: Voice proposal was the way to go. They sent a
Speaker 11: clear message. And yet Pennywong, in a rare moment of
Speaker 11: honesty in the Labor campaign, I might say, chose to
Speaker 11: reveal that.
Speaker 8: The Labor Party.
Speaker 11: Has it legislated in the top drawer, ready to go
Speaker 11: should they be successful on Saturday. And I think one thing,
Speaker 11: I sit in the Senate chamber with Pennywong my entire career.
Speaker 11: She's now leader of the Government in the Senate. This
Speaker 11: is not a woman who uses her words carelessly. She's
Speaker 11: very considered highly intelligent. And this is actually what Penny
Speaker 11: Wong believes, that the Voice is a proposal of merit
Speaker 11: worthy to go forward. And she is in the senior leadership.
Speaker 11: The kitchen cabinet, shall we say, of Anthony Albanese, is
Speaker 11: most inner circle.
Speaker 2: So I think will many say she leap back on
Speaker 2: the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, many say she runs the show and she has
Speaker 3: more authority than many of the other ministers now bridget
Speaker 3: what I want to ask you about these unearthed comments
Speaker 3: by Simon Holmes Acott.
Speaker 2: It was in margin cole Bishan today. You know, the
Speaker 2: Teals claim to be pro women.
Speaker 3: They were so critical of the Scott Morrison, you know,
Speaker 3: apparently over the Me Too movement, and yet his own
Speaker 3: social media postings show very disparaging remarks towards senior women.
Speaker 3: Do you find this both offensive and hypocritical?
Speaker 11: Well, it's both. It's incredibly offensive and extremely hypocritical. Simon
Speaker 11: Holmes at Court uses these women as a front to
Speaker 11: protect his own commercial interests. Let's be very very frank.
Speaker 11: These women, the Teal movement more broadly, highly educated women,
Speaker 11: Greens in designer close by any other name, and if
Speaker 11: they were really feminists they'd stand on their own two
Speaker 11: feet and give this bloke the heave ho, because right
Speaker 11: now his brand is undermining their reputation. This guy, it's
Speaker 11: always at follow the money, Shari. You need to just
Speaker 11: follow the money of Simon Holmes of Court, his commercial
Speaker 11: vested interests, who he runs with, and why they are
Speaker 11: pursuing one hundred percent renewables for this country when we
Speaker 11: know it is dangerous, it will ruin our economy, and
Speaker 11: that there are much better ways to bring down emissions.
Speaker 11: Use our backyard full of uranium, keep drops on shore
Speaker 11: and make sure we put down with pressure on prices.
Speaker 3: All right, I want to ask you about this comments
Speaker 3: from Donald Trump today. Now I broke the story in
Speaker 3: the show a month or so ago that Albanezi was
Speaker 3: trying to get hold of Trump and Trump wasn't taking
Speaker 3: the phone calls. Were Now they are these comments publicly
Speaker 3: from Trump today, which indicates that he is aware of
Speaker 3: the cause.
Speaker 2: Have a look, there's an election in Australia.
Speaker 7: Are the Australian Prime minister is having an election this weekend?
Speaker 3: Will you speak to him about trade?
Speaker 10: They are going well with.
Speaker 2: God, So there you go. He knows his calling. I mean,
Speaker 2: bridget Donald Trump is working with negative well apparently journals in.
Speaker 11: He can't send Kevin Rudd, so he sent the journals
Speaker 11: in to say please take my call President.
Speaker 3: What about the other night on Chattel seven he says
Speaker 3: he doesn't know if he has.
Speaker 2: A mobile phone. Well, of course he does have a
Speaker 2: mobile phone.
Speaker 3: But the point is, firstly, is Trump working as a
Speaker 3: negative for the coalition? Because this was initially embarrassing that
Speaker 3: Albaneze couldn't get him on the phone. But now the
Speaker 3: Trump factor is impacting, it seems on Dutton's prospects.
Speaker 11: Well. I think we live in incredibly challenging times, and
Speaker 11: not just Geo strategically, Shahi economically and socially as well.
Speaker 11: And the solutions to these challenging times are very neat,
Speaker 11: sophisticated plans, not sort of soundbites and the fifteen second
Speaker 11: grabs that sometimes you get from prime ministers in election campaigns.
Speaker 11: The Trump issue is obviously a problem, not just for
Speaker 11: Australia but right around the globe. He's a great disruptor.
Speaker 11: I would argue he's not a conservative, and I think
Speaker 11: for Peter, he's made very clear that for us in
Speaker 11: the Coalition, we have one priority and that's our national
Speaker 11: sovereignty here at home, and he's going made it very
Speaker 11: clear that should we get the great privilege come Sunday
Speaker 11: morning to be the government, then we will be putting
Speaker 11: Australian's interests first. Now, presidents come and go. The alliance,
Speaker 11: irrespective of who's sitting in the White House or who's
Speaker 11: sitting in the lodge, is strong and we need to
Speaker 11: sort of put this into perspective and can't. I don't
Speaker 11: think the coalition could have been clearer around where we
Speaker 11: sit when it comes to President Trump.
Speaker 3: All right, of course it has been weaponized against and
Speaker 3: Mark Conny, Mark Carney's win yesterday I think is frightening
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the coalition. Fridgia mackenzie really
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. Now still to come the man who'll
Speaker 3: tell you that Alban Eze's reckless spending will ruin the economy.
Speaker 3: But first the bombshell new text messages that could below
Speaker 3: open the Ben Robert Smith appeal. That's after this quick break,
Speaker 3: Welcome back with massive day in the Federal court tomorrow
Speaker 3: with Victoria Cross recipient Ben Robert Smith's bid to set
Speaker 3: aside the defamation finding against him and even have a retrial.
Speaker 3: His appeal now centers on the bombshell admission from nine
Speaker 3: journalist Nick mackenzie that he obtained the war hero's legal strategy.
Speaker 3: Now this was captured in explosive audio that we first
Speaker 3: broadcast in March.
Speaker 2: He was the most egregious part.
Speaker 6: I shouldn't tell you.
Speaker 4: I've just preached mythics in doing that.
Speaker 8: Like this is where like this is.
Speaker 1: If you knew that.
Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
Speaker 3: We now know about text messages where Danielle Scott, and
Speaker 3: she's the best friend of Ben, Robert Smith's ex wife,
Speaker 3: told Nick mackenzie always better to be on the front foot.
Speaker 3: I say, and know what they are planning. I think
Speaker 3: you owe me two beers now, So those texts appear
Speaker 3: to corroborate the suggestion in the recording that mackenzie had
Speaker 3: access to Robert Smith's legal strategy or part of it.
Speaker 3: Now Robert Smiths lawyers are arguing a serious injustice has occurred.
Speaker 3: They claim this is a case of misconduct. Nine have
Speaker 3: denied all suggestions they've acted unethically or obtained any privileged
Speaker 3: legal documents were to discuss. Let's bringing now the Rule
Speaker 3: of Law Institute of Australia's Chris Merrick. Chris, great to
Speaker 3: see you, so give us an overview of where you
Speaker 3: think this is headed over the next couple of days.
Speaker 12: Until now this case has all learn about Ben Robert Smith.
Speaker 12: He's faced all the downside, but the downside now weighs
Speaker 12: far more heavily on Nick McKenzie and his employer Nine Entertainment.
Speaker 12: And I say this for this reason. If Ben Robert
Speaker 12: Smith loses this case, the only thing that happens is
Speaker 12: he can't reopen his appeal. If Nick McKenzie loses this,
Speaker 12: it's almost certain that not only the appeal will be reopened,
Speaker 12: but the verdict and the original defamation case could be vacated,
Speaker 12: and that inevitably would trigger moves to reconsider the costs
Speaker 12: order in that case. And that's tens of millions of
Speaker 12: dollars that could be up for grabs.
Speaker 2: Fifty million.
Speaker 12: Isn't it easy? Now? It doesn't end there. There's four
Speaker 12: points that Ben Robert Smith needs to prove if he's
Speaker 12: going to win this the right to reopen this case?
Speaker 12: Was the material that Nick McKenzie obtained privileged two? Did
Speaker 12: he know it? Privilege three? Did he engage in conduct
Speaker 12: that a court considered to be unlawful or improper? And
Speaker 12: did that affect the unfairness of the trial. If he
Speaker 12: gets all those things up, he wins. But just consider this,
Speaker 12: If he gets up on just one, If he gets
Speaker 12: up on proving that Nick McKenzie, a star Walkley Award
Speaker 12: winning reporter, engaged in conduct that was unlawful or improper,
Speaker 12: Ben Robert Smith would still lose the case. But Nick
Speaker 12: McKenzie would be stuck with a finding by the full
Speaker 12: Federal Court that his journalistic methods a manner to unlawful
Speaker 12: or improper conduct that would be very reputational, not suicide,
Speaker 12: but difficult to be difficult for him to live with.
Speaker 3: Well, already this audio recording being made public is probably
Speaker 3: difficult for him to live with.
Speaker 2: I mean for people watching at home.
Speaker 3: Why this matters ultimately is you had Australia's most decor
Speaker 3: war hero, most celebrated war hero, accused of war crimes
Speaker 3: by Channel nine and now there seems to be I mean,
Speaker 3: an admission in the recording from Nick mackenzie. He says
Speaker 3: he's breached his own ethics and other things. And so
Speaker 3: you know, I think the Australians go, right, if you're
Speaker 3: going to pursue a war criminal, well you can't engage
Speaker 3: in dirty tricks like potentially obtaining his legal strategy.
Speaker 12: It will be really entertaining to put it that way.
Speaker 12: To see Nick mackenzie cross examined tomorrow by Arthur Moses.
Speaker 12: Arthur Moses is one of the country's most forensic silks,
Speaker 12: and he's also the silk who was referred to by
Speaker 12: Nick Mackenzie in his book on the defamation case as
Speaker 12: sneering and supercilious. So I think it will be very
Speaker 12: entertaining to see how Mackenzie stands up. So a forensic
Speaker 12: cross examination about that recording by a fellow who he's
Speaker 12: personally criticized.
Speaker 3: Always high risk, I'm told journalist on the stand, they
Speaker 3: don't usually give good, great evidence.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that might be the case. But look,
Speaker 12: it's only going to be two days, but it's before
Speaker 12: the full federal court, so it'll be a very substantial
Speaker 12: decision with wide ranging implications.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it'll be a dramatic day in court tomorrow.
Speaker 3: We'll have all the details here tomorrow night, Chris, thank
Speaker 3: you very much, and so make sure you're watching tomorrow
Speaker 3: night eight o'clock final show before the election from me.
Speaker 3: But also we will have news on how that hearing went,
Speaker 3: now still to come, how alban Easy's wild spending could
Speaker 3: see a ratings downgrade, and how to impact on your loans.
Speaker 3: Plus Liberal Senator Holly Hughes won't hold back when she
Speaker 3: tells us what she really thinks of the campaign strategy.
Speaker 2: That's after this quick break.
Speaker 3: Well, as we've been discussing tonight the Tills are in
Speaker 3: a world of pain with campaign scandals mounting by day.
Speaker 3: Or to discuss let's bring in liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
Speaker 2: Holly go to see Hey Shari. So we've had the
Speaker 2: Minique Ryan scandal. She's had more than anyone.
Speaker 13: But then also, which one are we talking about? Yeah,
Speaker 13: we need to clarify which many teal makes.
Speaker 3: I was driving dropping kids at school this morning when
Speaker 3: I heard Ben Fordham interview Sophie Scomps.
Speaker 2: And it was just so appalling. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you heard it, but.
Speaker 3: The way she said if I offend it.
Speaker 13: It's the apology without an apology, and it's so appalling.
Speaker 13: I mean, if you're bringing people's children, and particularly children
Speaker 13: who died so that family is going through horrific grief
Speaker 13: and she's using that grief to score political points over
Speaker 13: climate change. I mean it is These were the politicians
Speaker 13: of integrity, kindness. They were going to do it differently,
Speaker 13: and they're disgusting and they are reaching at the bottom
Speaker 13: of the barrel at every opportunity, whether it is pulling
Speaker 13: down signs and husbands doing those of dirty jobs for you,
Speaker 13: or whether it's the CCP helping out manning booths, or
Speaker 13: whether it's now dragging in a grieving family to push
Speaker 13: a climate change agenda.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. But you think they get back in or
Speaker 2: who do you think loses?
Speaker 13: Oh well, you know all of them would be my hope.
Speaker 13: I think that might be pushing a little bit too much.
Speaker 13: I think mon aik Ryan is in trouble. I think
Speaker 13: Emelia Haim is a great candidate in Kojong, and I
Speaker 13: think Monique should be in trouble. Goldstain looks like we
Speaker 13: could pick that back up with Tim Wilson. Kate Cheney
Speaker 13: I think is in a lot of trouble in Curtain.
Speaker 13: I was been over in Wa and they're doing a
Speaker 13: great job over there.
Speaker 2: With Tom So hearing that as well.
Speaker 13: Yeah so, But I think Sophie Scompsy mckela has really
Speaker 13: kind of shown the grub that she is. I mean
Speaker 13: a Legrasvender, I'd be too late, might be too late,
Speaker 13: you know.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing, there's so many.
Speaker 13: Votes that have already been lodged. But you know, Allegraspender
Speaker 13: forgot she was on seven boards. I mean, like, how
Speaker 13: does that relate to people who are struggling with cost
Speaker 13: of living. When you forget you've got seven directorships, I.
Speaker 3: Mean that'll be a tight contest in went Worth between
Speaker 3: her and Roe Notox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that'll be a close one. I think.
Speaker 3: Look, I want to ask you your thoughts and the
Speaker 3: Coalition campaign. You're an outgoing senator, so perhaps you don't
Speaker 3: have to be as careful as everyone else.
Speaker 2: What do you think could have been better?
Speaker 13: Look, I feel like the last couple of days have
Speaker 13: been not just from the colligion, from every side, even
Speaker 13: the Teals and Labor and everyone. This sort of almost
Speaker 13: feels this chaos as are up to in the last
Speaker 13: three or four days, and whether it's just too little,
Speaker 13: too late to really engage the electorate properly, because as
Speaker 13: we said, for nearly four million people have already voted.
Speaker 13: But I think for me what's been disappointing. I think
Speaker 13: Darts has done a great job. I think Peter Dutton's
Speaker 13: been out there every day, working really really hard and
Speaker 13: doing his best to get our positive message and change
Speaker 13: plans out there. But I looked at Labor and they've
Speaker 13: got Murray Watt as their attack dog, and I don't
Speaker 13: know who else is and the fact, we've got a
Speaker 13: prime minister who is an out and out liar. This
Speaker 13: is someone who lied about falling off stage when it's
Speaker 13: on camera. He lied about your two hundred and seventy
Speaker 13: five dollars coming off. He lied about the Chinese warships
Speaker 13: and when they learn about the live fire exercises. He's
Speaker 13: now been found what did Joe hild a Brand call
Speaker 13: it tactical obscation? Obscation I can't even say that word,
Speaker 13: but it's a lie, Joe, it's a lie.
Speaker 1: But you know he was.
Speaker 13: He's been caught lying now about Russia and Indonesia. This
Speaker 13: guy's an out in mountli takes on the Rocks recipes
Speaker 13: like everything, everything he lies about and that it just
Speaker 13: doesn't seem to have landed in the electorate. I mean,
Speaker 13: you cannot believe a word that this guy says. And
Speaker 13: you know it was clonel today, Andrew Clanel at the
Speaker 13: Press Club. You know, an hour of my life I'll
Speaker 13: never get back after watching that. But it was Clonail
Speaker 13: that asked him some of those questions and you know
Speaker 13: we're in a more friendly time slot for it. But
Speaker 13: caught him out like Malcolm Fraser did with the bullshit
Speaker 13: of the press gallery and that's I mean, to watch
Speaker 13: that press club today, it was like he was hanging
Speaker 13: out with his best mates.
Speaker 2: It was Sydney, it really was. That showed the camera
Speaker 2: above to a tea. Absolutely absolutely, But well that has
Speaker 2: been an issue as well.
Speaker 3: I mean we've been covering it and when I interviewed
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton on Monday, he said to me he called
Speaker 3: the press pat traveling with him activists, not journalists.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, So many reporters now are not journalists. I did
Speaker 13: journalism when I started after university, and I can tell
Speaker 13: you we were taught to be impartial. That was our
Speaker 13: role was to look at the facts and then give
Speaker 13: every sort of angle of a story and try and
Speaker 13: tease it out. Now they come in with an agenda
Speaker 13: and push that agenda. They're not journalists. They certainly didn't
Speaker 13: get the same education I got when it came to
Speaker 13: being a journal But I do you know, I'm frightened
Speaker 13: for Australia when you look at the policy that Labor
Speaker 13: and the Greens have around and realized super it's an
Speaker 13: inheritance and a death tax, and yet that just hasn't
Speaker 13: come through.
Speaker 2: And you know the superannuation.
Speaker 13: It's going to upset family farmers and it's not index
Speaker 13: the three million, so it's going to affect more and
Speaker 13: more Australians every year.
Speaker 2: Holly Hughes, so good to see you as always.
Speaker 3: Thanks very next week now after the break, Just how
Speaker 3: serious is this risk from Albanize spending to our triple
Speaker 3: A credit rating? And could Labor extend its policy on
Speaker 3: taxing unrealized capital gains?
Speaker 2: It's after this break, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Let's speak to the economics correspondent for The Australian, Matthew Cranston.
Speaker 2: Matt, thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 3: Look, this was a very shocking warning from ratings agencies
Speaker 3: down and Pause this week that we could lose our
Speaker 3: triple A credit rating because of structural spending, off budget
Speaker 3: spending and.
Speaker 2: The debt levels.
Speaker 3: Do you get the sense that the government is taking
Speaker 3: this seriously enough?
Speaker 14: Well, I think judging by his response, he's obviously thought
Speaker 14: that he had to do something. He came out into
Speaker 14: a press conference on it, so at least rhetorically he
Speaker 14: thinks it's important and rhetorically he thinks it's worth taking seriously.
Speaker 14: He keeps on obviously talking about the seventy eight billion
Speaker 14: dollar deficit that the coalition left behind, which which isn't accurate,
Speaker 14: it's the thirty billion dollar one.
Speaker 1: But I think that he's also.
Speaker 2: This is the prime minister you mean or the treasurer.
Speaker 14: No, this is the treasurer.
Speaker 1: This is Jim Jim Charmers.
Speaker 14: But I think when it comes to the actions and
Speaker 14: the request of the ratings agencies, it does come down
Speaker 14: to both both sides of politics. But it's just he's
Speaker 14: in the box seat. He's the one that's got to
Speaker 14: think about all these deficits going forward. But the big risk,
Speaker 14: I think is that he doesn't take it seriously. And
Speaker 14: part of that is because a lot of the bond
Speaker 14: markets and a lot of the people that look at
Speaker 14: ratings agencies now they say the ratings agencies don't make
Speaker 14: a difference, they don't have an impact. This is what
Speaker 14: they think. When the US lost its tip of a
Speaker 14: credit rating to double a plus, the markets didn't respond
Speaker 14: very strongly to that didn't it didn't really increase the
Speaker 14: cost of debt dramatically very quickly, And so there's this
Speaker 14: danger that you can be complacent and think, well, it
Speaker 14: doesn't really matter so much and I can just slide
Speaker 14: by and let the next few years just keep on
Speaker 14: spending big and taxing big.
Speaker 3: But it does matter because, of course, yeah, the consequence
Speaker 3: isn't just servicing the nation's debt. But you know, how
Speaker 3: could this flow onto mortgages and other loans like business loans.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean just take for example, when when a
Speaker 14: ratings agency isn't on top of things and isn't constantly assessing,
Speaker 14: you know, the fiscal management of a country or the
Speaker 14: risk within certain products such as credit default swaps during
Speaker 14: the which ultimately led to the GFC. This is the
Speaker 14: subprime crisis. The ratings agencies didn't do anything there and
Speaker 14: it blew it all up. But when it comes to
Speaker 14: debt and sovereign debt, it does trickle down because if
Speaker 14: you start to reprice the cost of government debt and
Speaker 14: triple a debt and it comes down, then that flows
Speaker 14: through because all borrowing costs in Australia and around the
Speaker 14: world are really based on the risk free rate, which
Speaker 14: is government debt like US treasuries, and it's the same
Speaker 14: sort of thing in Australia as well. The risk free
Speaker 14: rate sort of thing is what you'd pay for a
Speaker 14: government bond and that's what mortgages are priced on, and
Speaker 14: if that goes up, then your mortgage cost goes up
Speaker 14: as well. It's all based on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Matt, I just want to quickly ask
Speaker 3: you about the focus on Labour's tax policy on unrealized
Speaker 3: capital gains be concerning many people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Well, look, I'm still a gased at because I've come
Speaker 14: back from being a correspondent in Washington and come back
Speaker 14: into this environment and seen so little debated about it.
Speaker 14: People will say, oh, no, we had that debate a
Speaker 14: few years ago, why are you bringing it up now?
Speaker 14: And I'm like a serious like, this is a middle
Speaker 14: of an election campaign. This is the time where you
Speaker 14: actually have to discuss these policies. People will say, oh,
Speaker 14: it's not legislated. Well, yeah, of course, but this is
Speaker 14: this is the whole point. You discuss it before it
Speaker 14: gets legislated.
Speaker 7: But what is it.
Speaker 14: It's it's probably one of the most horrendous taxes you
Speaker 14: can bring in. It's an essentially it's taxing again that
Speaker 14: you have made on an asset, but you haven't sold it.
Speaker 14: And so it can be anything on paper, it could
Speaker 14: be properly, it could be Yeah, it's exactly you could
Speaker 14: You could have an investment in a company and you
Speaker 14: might not have any cash, and it could go right up.
Speaker 3: And so you're out of time. But love your work
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