WEBVTT - Sharri | 30 April

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 3>The alban Eazy campaign hits major hurdles just two days

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<v Speaker 3>out from the election, with ministers now embroiled in controversy.

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<v Speaker 3>Political editors are even saying that Labor may be more vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>Than first thought that in a moment also tonight, does

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<v Speaker 2>Labor actually believe in democracy?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Pennywog hints it plans to revive the Voice to

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<v Speaker 3>Parliament and neo Nazis hit the campaign trail in Cawfield, Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 3>dressing up as Jews. I'll show you the full video

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<v Speaker 3>of these vile anti Semites shortly plus more bombshell accusations

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<v Speaker 3>against Nine Star journalist Nick McKenzie in his pursuit of

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<v Speaker 3>war hero Ben Robert Smith. Could these new text messages

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<v Speaker 3>be his undoing What's another massive show tonight? Michael Kroger,

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<v Speaker 3>Graham Rich and Holly Hughes, Bridget McKenzie and more. But first,

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<v Speaker 3>the Albanezy government is stumbling towards the finish line in

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<v Speaker 3>a disastrous final week of the campaign riddled with arrogance,

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<v Speaker 3>deception and scandal from Pennywog's defiance of a democratic mandate

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<v Speaker 3>on the Voice to allegations of foreign interference to reckless

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<v Speaker 3>economic management jeopardizing our triple A credit rating. Well, the

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<v Speaker 3>spin is no longer papering over these cracks. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 3>start with Pennywong and the revelations today that she may

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<v Speaker 3>want to resurrect the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, never mind

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<v Speaker 3>that sixty percent of Australians voted against it. This is

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<v Speaker 3>breathtaking arrogance. The referendum result was one of the clearest

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<v Speaker 3>democratic rejections in modern Australian history. Yet the government, it seems,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to accept the result, and Pennywog in a

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<v Speaker 3>soft in you casually dismisses the public's verdict.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten

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<v Speaker 4>years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?

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<v Speaker 4>Like I always just say marriage equality, which took us

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<v Speaker 4>such a bloody fight to get that done. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>all this fuss, it'll become something and be like, people go,

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<v Speaker 4>do we have an argument about that? They weren't even

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<v Speaker 4>like kids today or any even adults today, barely kind

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<v Speaker 4>of clock that it used to be an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this isn't just tone deaf, it's contempt for

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<v Speaker 3>democracy intending to resurrect a policy Australians overwhelmingly voted against

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<v Speaker 3>reflects the elitist arrogance that defines this government.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezy needs to recognize so that.

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<v Speaker 3>Penny Wang has given him the worst day of his

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<v Speaker 3>campaign so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's this questionable claim.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it, but it's a claim the media

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<v Speaker 3>keeps prosecuting that she is the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Popular politician in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's curious because if this were the case, well,

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't the Albin Easy roacho have featured her more heavily

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<v Speaker 3>this campaign. The reality is Pennywong thinks she's a better

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<v Speaker 3>mediate performer than she actually is, and she can't be

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<v Speaker 3>trusted to stay on message. And if this is the case,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine what she's saying in meetings with other countries. Pennywong

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<v Speaker 3>is notorious for not doing hard interviews, but to do

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<v Speaker 3>this soft chit chat with the Batuta advocate during an

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<v Speaker 3>election campaign in the final high stakes week while Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Darton took full advantage of her comments.

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<v Speaker 5>Today you see Pennywong out there at the moment talking

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<v Speaker 5>about the fact that the voice is inevitable, so under

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<v Speaker 5>a labor Green's government. We see this secret plan to

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<v Speaker 5>legislate the Voice and Penny Wong's let that cat out

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<v Speaker 5>of the bag. Now people will be opposed to that

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<v Speaker 5>because they thought they sent a very clear message to

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<v Speaker 5>the Prime Minister that they didn't bought the voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you can agree or disagree with the Voice, but

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<v Speaker 3>the point is there was a referendum, Australians voted against

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<v Speaker 3>it and having a blatant to disregard for democracy is

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<v Speaker 3>more in line with communist regimes tyrannies on autocracies. And

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<v Speaker 3>when I asked about this today, the Prime Minister didn't offer

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<v Speaker 3>an adequate explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>He sort of cracked a joke.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that's not what the Foreign Minister said at all,

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<v Speaker 6>and she's right here, so probably not a great idea

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<v Speaker 6>to verbal Penny one while she's sitting there. I'll just

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<v Speaker 6>give you that. I'll just give you that tip for free.

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<v Speaker 6>Ask getting you the cabinet colleagues. I'll explain to you

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<v Speaker 6>why that's a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that will be easy. I'll give you a tip

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<v Speaker 2>for free.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't pretend she didn't say what she said when

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<v Speaker 3>it was an audio recorded interview. And then there's Clara

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<v Speaker 3>O'neilustralian Electoral Commission has referred allegations that the Hubet Association,

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<v Speaker 3>apparently linked to the Chinese Communist Party, planned to supply

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<v Speaker 3>her campaign with volunteers. And this comes after the video

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<v Speaker 3>admission from Monique Ryan's own volunteers yesterday. Now, if this

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<v Speaker 3>is all true, it's deeply troubling. Australians shouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 3>wonder where campaign influence ends and foreign interests begin. As

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<v Speaker 3>Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson says, this could be

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<v Speaker 3>a serious national security matter.

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<v Speaker 7>It's especially surprising that Clara O'Neil has found herself caught

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<v Speaker 7>up in this because as the former Minister for Home Affairs,

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<v Speaker 7>no one in the Federal Parliament should better understand the

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<v Speaker 7>risks of foreign interference than her. No one would have

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<v Speaker 7>been briefed more often and in a more detailed way

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<v Speaker 7>than her. She was previously responsible for ASIO and so

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<v Speaker 7>for her campaign to be caught up and this is

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<v Speaker 7>especially troubling.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's Albanezi himself, who is substance free and

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<v Speaker 3>spin deep, and he was today press by Andrew clonel

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<v Speaker 3>on his onslought of lies during the campaign. He insists

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<v Speaker 3>everything is hanky dory when the most reputable global ratings

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<v Speaker 3>agency has put his government on notice that our tria

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<v Speaker 3>A credit rating is at risk.

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<v Speaker 2>And why S and P is.

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<v Speaker 3>Concerned about structural spending that's built in spending.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also concerned about over.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred billion dollars in hidden off budget spending and

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<v Speaker 3>the unsustainable debt which is going to hit a trillion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars next year. Now a downgrade would hit every Australian

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<v Speaker 3>with a mortgage, a small business loan or even a

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<v Speaker 3>credit card. And this isn't hypothetical. Alban Easy is officially

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<v Speaker 3>on notice, and then it gets worse with Labour's likely

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<v Speaker 3>co conspirators in the case of a hung parliament. Green's

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<v Speaker 3>leader Adam band is already laying out his demands on Gaza,

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<v Speaker 3>on so called Islamophobia, and of course on Israel. If

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<v Speaker 3>we thought the Albertezy government has been hostile towards the

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<v Speaker 3>only Jewish nation in the world, will wait until it

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<v Speaker 3>co governs with the far left, anti Semitic Greens. And

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<v Speaker 3>all this while the Teals are imploding. Sophie Scamps tried

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<v Speaker 3>to exploit the tragic death of a young NROL player

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<v Speaker 3>by falsely blaming it on climate change, and she was

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<v Speaker 3>forced into an apology today, an embarrassing one to Keith

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<v Speaker 3>Titmas's parents. But sorry, it seems, was the hardest word

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<v Speaker 3>for her to say. Her apology, in my view, was

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<v Speaker 3>half hearted, bungled and defensive, and it also ended with

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie Scamps hanging up the phone on Ben Fordham when

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to hear her ramble on about climate

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<v Speaker 3>change anymore.

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<v Speaker 8>If there's any distress or upset, deeply, deeply sorry, that

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<v Speaker 8>was never any attention my intention at all, of course,

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<v Speaker 8>loved best wishes and deep apologies if there was any well,

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<v Speaker 8>if sorry, she is upset, and it went on.

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<v Speaker 2>It got worse. The ending was worse. Now this was

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<v Speaker 2>a shocker. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie Scamps's top backer, Simon Holmes the Court, has also

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<v Speaker 3>been caught out launching condescending sexist attacks on women.

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<v Speaker 2>He dubbed Jane Hume.

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<v Speaker 3>The nanny and a silly woman. He called Hume, Anne Rustin,

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<v Speaker 3>Michaylia Cash and Maurice Payne crumb Maiden. They're the most

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<v Speaker 3>senior women in the Liberal Party. These are the sexist

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<v Speaker 3>remarks from the spiritual leader of the Teals, which supposedly

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<v Speaker 3>ran on women's issues and integrity and speaking of hypocrisy, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's return to Pennywog because this is a classic. Now

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<v Speaker 3>you'd presume that Pennywang wouldn't be a great fan of

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<v Speaker 3>Independent MP Day, who won the seat of Fowler from

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<v Speaker 3>Pennywog's fellow mean girl, Christina Kinneerly. And so Pennywog has

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<v Speaker 3>criticized Dilie for preferencing a candidate accused of racism. She said,

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<v Speaker 3>it's concerning that Dilly is more committed to supporting the

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<v Speaker 3>Liberals than standing up to this racism. So that's Pennywong

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<v Speaker 3>there again, saying it's concerning that Dilly is more committed

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<v Speaker 3>to supporting the Liberals through her preferencing, through her preferences,

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<v Speaker 3>than standing up to this racism. But Labor is preferencing

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<v Speaker 3>the Greens who've repeatedly been accused of racism and anti semitism,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're preferencing the Greens in almost every seat across

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, where is Pennywog's outrage about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course there is none, because she has no moral clarity, consistency,

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<v Speaker 3>or integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all.

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<v Speaker 3>Dirty politics, and that dirty politics is working for labor.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister was cocky and arrogant today as he

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<v Speaker 3>cracked jokes in response to serious questions about our nation

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<v Speaker 3>at the National Press Club. And he's expecting to win

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<v Speaker 3>big on Saturday, and so he doesn't think he has

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<v Speaker 3>to properly answer questions from pesky press gallery journalists. And

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<v Speaker 3>even when he was pressed on his record as Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister and his inability to tell the truth, he just

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't answer adequately.

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<v Speaker 9>You said we'd have cheaper mortgages. We don't. You said

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<v Speaker 9>an election night you'd commit to the ULARU statement in full.

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<v Speaker 9>You haven't. And you said when you're messed up you

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<v Speaker 9>would admit fault. Now you say Peter Dutton is seeking

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<v Speaker 9>to Americanize the health system. He's promising to match your

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<v Speaker 9>bulk billing funding.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you are.

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<v Speaker 9>It's basically say he's going to abolish Medicare you say

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<v Speaker 9>his nuclear plan will be funded by cuts? You're renewable

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<v Speaker 9>subsidies and rewiring the nation aren't paid for by cuts.

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<v Speaker 1>You must might come up here, Andrew, And my question is.

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<v Speaker 9>How why do you have to exaggerate in this campaign.

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<v Speaker 9>Why can't you win this election by telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 6>We are absolutely telling Australians as Peter Dutton did on

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<v Speaker 6>Sunday night in the Channel sevent debate.

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<v Speaker 3>And Albineasy also won't say whether the nation is better

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<v Speaker 3>off after three years of his government.

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<v Speaker 4>Our Australians better off now than they were before you're elected.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll tell you what the right answer to that is,

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<v Speaker 6>and that is that Australians would be seven two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>dollars worse off if Peter Duttner got his way.

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<v Speaker 5>Good debating tactic, taking question, but it's not the question.

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<v Speaker 6>And got his way. That is what Peter Dutton has done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Mark Riley from Channel seven was right there,

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<v Speaker 3>that was just a debating tactic. The Prime Minister, of

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<v Speaker 3>course couldn't answer the question.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the key question. Are you better off?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what voters will ask themselves when they enter the

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<v Speaker 3>ballot box. And the reality is Albanezi took a small target,

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<v Speaker 3>no risk agenda to the last election, but then sprang

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<v Speaker 3>radical left ring reforms on the country without a mandate,

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<v Speaker 3>think sky high immigration, a shift in foreign policy on Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>environmental extremism, backflips on the Stage three tax cuts and

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<v Speaker 3>now taxing unrealized capital gains tax.

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<v Speaker 2>This was all kept secret.

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<v Speaker 3>From voters before the last election in a calculated deception

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<v Speaker 3>and it's astonishing they've got away with it, and there

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<v Speaker 3>is genuine anger about this and the cost of living

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<v Speaker 3>broken promises too with mainstream Australians. It's why Labour is

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<v Speaker 3>most vulnerable in suburban areas. The Finn Review's political editor

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<v Speaker 3>Phil Couri rites today that seat by seat polling by

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<v Speaker 3>JWS Research backs the internal findings of both major parties

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<v Speaker 3>that a certain demographic of seats out of suburban mortgage

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<v Speaker 3>belt electorates with blue collar workforces, substantial commute times, high

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living sensitivities, and in some cases high crime

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<v Speaker 3>rates are behaving differently to the rest of the electorate.

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<v Speaker 3>And The Australian's political editor Simon Benson says that while

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<v Speaker 3>a hung parliament with a minority Labor government is most likely,

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<v Speaker 3>he says there could be major surprises, and he says

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<v Speaker 3>there are some parts of the country that are buying

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton's message and not buying labors.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is whether.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be enough for the coalition to make the

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<v Speaker 3>inroads it needs. So when the Prime Minister stands at

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<v Speaker 3>the press club and dodgers questions and cracks jokes and

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<v Speaker 3>refuses to say whether our country is better off, it's

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<v Speaker 3>because he believes he's already won. He doesn't think he

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<v Speaker 3>owes anyone an explanation. But his hubris could come back

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<v Speaker 3>to bite him. After three years of broken promises and

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<v Speaker 3>radical reform, Australians just might deliver him a protest vote

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<v Speaker 3>that's strong enough to knock him off his perch. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the Albaneze government is trying its best to avoid speaking

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<v Speaker 3>about anti Semitism, and yet it's erupting in polling booths.

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<v Speaker 3>Two examples Today in the suburb of Cowfield in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 3>residents woke up to these disgusting flyers handed out by

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<v Speaker 3>the National Socialist Network. It's a neo Nazi, white supremacist party.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look and as you can see, the Liberal

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<v Speaker 3>Party apparently he gives the Jews everything they want. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>that is not a Liberal Party fly it's the neo

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi flyer.

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<v Speaker 2>But it gets worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Neo Nazis dressed up as Jews confronted voters at.

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<v Speaker 2>A polling booth in Q with anti Semitic messages.

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<v Speaker 3>I would Australia need a dependent I mean, God.

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<v Speaker 1>On Israel lawns free speech.

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<v Speaker 9>Criticizing Jews is another hollass.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another shout.

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<v Speaker 10>We can't allow them.

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<v Speaker 5>Anti lost jail hall antisis to get criminals smiling, criminals

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<v Speaker 5>of kids.

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<v Speaker 10>Anti slies are the really making juice feel safe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really all that matters.

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<v Speaker 4>And we need to keep Jews free money because we

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<v Speaker 4>know the Jews little.

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<v Speaker 7>Short on cash, right, so good party website, these alpholsies.

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<v Speaker 2>So many anti Semitic tropes there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's of course highly offensive to the Jewish community in

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<v Speaker 3>that electorate and beyond. Can you imagine having to confront

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<v Speaker 3>that those neo Nazis as you turn up to vote.

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<v Speaker 3>And they were also happy to parade their hatred on

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<v Speaker 3>the side of a busy road. Now their posters say

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<v Speaker 3>that it's authorized by Joel Davis. So this is the

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<v Speaker 3>same group who marched on the Victorian Parliament late last

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<v Speaker 3>year calling for Jews to leave Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>By man.

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<v Speaker 8>The man.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's chilling that this UnAustralian anti Semitic group

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<v Speaker 3>is now turning up at polling booths to try influence

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<v Speaker 3>the election and your vote. Now they are on the

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<v Speaker 3>far right, then there's the radical Greens on the far left.

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<v Speaker 3>There was also news today that Jewish Labor and p

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<v Speaker 3>Josh Burns had his poster defaced with a red star

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<v Speaker 3>of David A right to discuss this and more, Let's

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<v Speaker 3>bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and

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<v Speaker 3>labor legend Graham Richardson.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both. It's exciting, it's election week.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to get your official predictions in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>But just sticking with this for a minute, Michael, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this is horrific. This is the same neo Nazi group that,

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<v Speaker 3>as we just heard there shouted freedom for the white man,

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<v Speaker 3>the Jews must go, and now they're dressing up as

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<v Speaker 3>Rabbis and Jews on a polling booth in Corefield.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sure, it's absolutely disgusting. But I'm sorry, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say this that Jewish hatred, anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 1>hatred of Benjamin Etniah of Israel and Israeli government have

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<v Speaker 1>been licensed by the federal Labor government through their weakness,

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<v Speaker 1>through all of the things they've done, these extremist Prohamus

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting demonstrations parading in many cases as demonstrations to free

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<v Speaker 1>Palestine when we know their riddle with Jewish hatred. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the flags of terrorist organizations in some of these demonstrations,

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<v Speaker 1>the weakness of our university leaders, the appalling behavior at

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Uni, monash Uni, the ANU, I mean, a weak

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<v Speaker 1>government which has basically allowed this to flourish in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And the person the head of this snake is Alban Easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's anti Semitic himself, but through his

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<v Speaker 1>weak action, the weak action of his government and the

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<v Speaker 1>terrible things that they've done, the subliminal message has been

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<v Speaker 1>to people that you can get away with this Jewish hatred,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the latest incarnation of it, and it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sickness. I've never seen it in my life

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<v Speaker 1>in this country before. Social cohesion has been immensely and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe permanently damaged under this labor government.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. Michael Kroger.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's go back to talking about what I was

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<v Speaker 3>just speaking about in my opening remarks that Albanezey can't

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<v Speaker 3>answer the question posed by Mark Riley that Australians are

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<v Speaker 3>better off. He can't say that they are better off

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<v Speaker 3>now than they were three.

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<v Speaker 2>Years ago when he was elected.

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<v Speaker 7>Rich.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the crux surely of what this election comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, well, I think that the Australians can say they're

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<v Speaker 10>certainly not worse off. Come on said, of course, no, I.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't come.

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<v Speaker 2>It's they're worse off now.

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<v Speaker 10>I can see no reason why Australians would say they're

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<v Speaker 10>worse off. I can see plenty of reasons why they

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<v Speaker 10>can say are there as well of? And I think

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<v Speaker 10>that's where most of them think. Most people are not

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<v Speaker 10>walking around unhappy. This is not an unhappy country. This

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<v Speaker 10>is you know, You've got to remember, if this was

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<v Speaker 10>all really terrible and everyone hated the government, then the

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<v Speaker 10>government would go in a flash.

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<v Speaker 8>But it won't.

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<v Speaker 10>It won't because that's not the case. That in the end,

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<v Speaker 10>I think people think that the Albanesi government's been doing okay.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not suggesting they think it's wonderful, but they think

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<v Speaker 10>it's it's enough to get half a tick, and that's

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<v Speaker 10>about you they ever going to get in politics.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you'd be very hard pressed to find a

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<v Speaker 3>single Australian who said they were better off now than

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<v Speaker 3>they were three years ago. And the reason the baseballouts

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<v Speaker 3>aren't out, although they are out in some areas, but

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<v Speaker 3>if they aren't out right across the country, I would

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<v Speaker 3>say that's a failure of the coalition to pin the

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living crisis on alban Easy. But Michael, do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to respond to what Richard just said just

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<v Speaker 3>there about the fact that Australians you know, aren't worse

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<v Speaker 3>off now? Of course they are. All the data points

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<v Speaker 3>to it. The interest rate rises, that how grocery prices

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<v Speaker 3>have gone up by around forty percent, power bills have

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<v Speaker 3>gone up.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael, Well, I've known Graham for thirty years. We used

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<v Speaker 1>to do channel line election courages together in the late

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and he rarely gets things wrong. Occasionally he does,

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<v Speaker 1>and tonight Graham might be one of the occasions. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all better off under the Albany's. The government's been

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<v Speaker 1>a spanking success. But show the big point. The bigger

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<v Speaker 1>point is this, Why does albanias he get away with this?

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<v Speaker 1>Why does charmers get away with things? It's because the

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<v Speaker 1>press hold them to a lower, lower standard of account

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<v Speaker 1>on economics. They basically think that Albo doesn't know much

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<v Speaker 1>about economics and Charmers has just got an arts degree

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't really know. So when they make blunders and mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>people just say, oh, that's just Albo and Charmers. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not a Costello or a Howard or a Keating or

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<v Speaker 1>a Hawk. So all these young journals of these press

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<v Speaker 1>conferences are just more interested in social policy than economic policy.

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<v Speaker 1>But Charmers would never have got away with the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>he got away with today if Lorry Oaks, Michelle Gratt

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul Kelly were part of the traveling press pack. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Charmer said today he's got the debt down. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not on the traveling press pack, but Chalmers said today

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<v Speaker 1>he's got the debt down. In last year's budget it

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<v Speaker 1>showed that when Charmers became treasurer, gross debt was eight

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five billion, and this year's budget shows that at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this decade it'll be one trillion, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty three billion gross stet Jim is going

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<v Speaker 1>up three hundred and twenty eight billion on your watch,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. But not a single journalist, I mean Phil

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<v Speaker 1>Corey in the finn has got onto this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Truey got onto it yesterday on Sky, but the Fairfax Press,

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC show absolutely no interest in economics. Charmers is

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<v Speaker 1>a political liar and a Charlatan par excellence. But people

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<v Speaker 1>just think, look it's Jimmy. He's trying his best. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not that good. He's not really an economist, so if

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<v Speaker 1>he gets things wrong, don't hold the term he's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. Costello or Keating or Howard or Morrison, Freedenberg

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<v Speaker 1>and you know Wayne Swan. These people are be hung,

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<v Speaker 1>drawn and courted if they'd got numbers wrong like that

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<v Speaker 1>and just light out right about the budget figures and

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<v Speaker 1>no one asked them about it, so they're held to

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<v Speaker 1>a lower standard of account. That's one on cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets away with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think there is something to be said that

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<v Speaker 3>the media treatment has been softer.

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<v Speaker 2>We've spoken about that on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Richard, you might have known Albow when he worked

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<v Speaker 3>at Pancakes on the Rocks back in the cety in

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<v Speaker 3>the seventies, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a very good story in the fin.

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<v Speaker 3>Review today, so Albanezy has put forward the notion that

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<v Speaker 3>hospitality businesses don't need to pass penalty rates onto consumers.

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<v Speaker 3>He says that they don't need to because that's what

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<v Speaker 3>happened when he worked at Pancakes on the Rocks, except

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<v Speaker 3>that the fin review then tracked down the menu from

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<v Speaker 3>when Albanezi did work at Pancakes on the Rocks, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course at the very bottom the menu shows that

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<v Speaker 3>they did have surcharges on public holidays, and there it

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<v Speaker 3>is rich. You know, this might be a small example,

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<v Speaker 3>but again it just goes to this build up of

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<v Speaker 3>lies from alban Easy.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh the guy, I think, you know, calling that a

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<v Speaker 10>lie is going a bit far. I just look, some

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<v Speaker 10>exaggeration is always going to happen in politics. The question

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<v Speaker 10>is who's going to be the great exaggerators and who's not.

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<v Speaker 10>I think Elbow is pretty good when it comes to

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<v Speaker 10>telling the truth. No politician is ever going to tell

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<v Speaker 10>the truth on every single occasion. There's just no way

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<v Speaker 10>they can do that. You can't ask them if a

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<v Speaker 10>colleague is doing a good job and expecting, as they

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<v Speaker 10>know is dil They can't say that, So they'll say

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<v Speaker 10>that the person are doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's normal politics.

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<v Speaker 10>That nothing less be here.

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<v Speaker 3>I really had to stop myself from jumping in after

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<v Speaker 3>about five seconds there. We have never seen a prime

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<v Speaker 3>minister who's lied so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It is egregious.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he he claims that Peter Dunnan wants to

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<v Speaker 3>slash Medicare. Darnan has said over and over and over

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<v Speaker 3>and over again he's not going to touch Medicare. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no suggestion he would ever touch medicare. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>what the Prime minister gets away with saying. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>and again it's the small things that show how easily

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<v Speaker 3>he lies. Michael, you know that the stage example, there's

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<v Speaker 3>pancake example.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a direct lie.

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<v Speaker 3>He said there was no search charge. The menu turns

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<v Speaker 3>up there's a surcharge.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's two things to say. It shows you why

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<v Speaker 1>a prime minister or treasurer who's never run a business

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<v Speaker 1>or never worked in the private sector should be elected

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<v Speaker 1>to any office when eighty percent of the jobs in

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<v Speaker 1>this country come from the private sector. Does this guy

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<v Speaker 1>have any idea how many restaurants, caf small businesses in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the in the restaurant trade, live music, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>wine bars, does he have it, small breweries? Does he

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<v Speaker 1>have any idea how many of these businesses have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to the wall in the last few years. If he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks you can just just absorb these costs, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has no understanding of profit and loss statements. And secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair to say Chary that probably since

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<v Speaker 1>last Friday, Labor's momentum have stopped and the poles, you

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<v Speaker 1>can just feel the poles turning back to Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason I say that is people are now thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, he lied to me about Dutton selling Turnble,

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<v Speaker 1>selling medicare. They're lying to me about Dutton slashing medicare.

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<v Speaker 1>They're lying to me about the deficit, the debt that

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<v Speaker 1>they're lying to us about, you know, the energy prices

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<v Speaker 1>being cheaper under renewables, they're lying to us about the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of nuclear et cetera, et cetera. So people are thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>are we here okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So that brings me to the point you're saying, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a slight turnaround in the polls. So Michael ten seconds,

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<v Speaker 3>final prediction, who wins and if you can give a

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<v Speaker 3>seat count, that would be good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if the polls are right at fifty two forty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>then the government will be returned in minority. All I,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, I'm still very much hoping that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a late swing back to the Coalition and Peter Dutton wins,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it'll be a fantastic prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Richo, what do you think the final.

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<v Speaker 10>Michaels had too many forlorn hopes over the course of

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<v Speaker 10>the years, and there is but another one. Alba will

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<v Speaker 10>win on the weekend that I have no doubt will

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<v Speaker 10>he get there in his own right? My view is

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<v Speaker 10>probably yes, which is not the common view, but I

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<v Speaker 10>think Albo is going to do okay.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, well talk about how your prediction's fared

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<v Speaker 3>this time next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you both so much.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's return to Penny Wong's claim that the Voice

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<v Speaker 3>will eventually happen and Jonimir's National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie.

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget, great to see you. Now. This is the worst.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the worst thing Alberize could have hoped for.

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<v Speaker 3>These comments from Pennywog. I mean, the Voice was resoundingly defeated.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think she really wants to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have another voice referendum?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, Shari, Sixty percent of Australia voted no to the

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 11>Voice referendum in twenty twenty three. They sent a very

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 11>clear message. They wanted practical action on the issues for

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 11>Indigenous and torrestraight islands, particularly those invulnerable communities, but they

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<v Speaker 11>did not think changing our constitution dividing Australians using the

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 11>Voice proposal was the way to go. They sent a

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 11>clear message. And yet Pennywong, in a rare moment of

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 11>honesty in the Labor campaign, I might say, chose to

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 11>reveal that.

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<v Speaker 8>The Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 11>Has it legislated in the top drawer, ready to go

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 11>should they be successful on Saturday. And I think one thing,

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 11>I sit in the Senate chamber with Pennywong my entire career.

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 11>She's now leader of the Government in the Senate. This

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 11>is not a woman who uses her words carelessly. She's

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 11>very considered highly intelligent. And this is actually what Penny

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 11>Wong believes, that the Voice is a proposal of merit

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 11>worthy to go forward. And she is in the senior leadership.

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 11>The kitchen cabinet, shall we say, of Anthony Albanese, is

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<v Speaker 11>most inner circle.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think will many say she leap back on

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:43.959
<v Speaker 2>the table.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, many say she runs the show and she has

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<v Speaker 3>more authority than many of the other ministers now bridget

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<v Speaker 3>what I want to ask you about these unearthed comments

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<v Speaker 3>by Simon Holmes Acott.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in margin cole Bishan today. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Teals claim to be pro women.

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<v Speaker 3>They were so critical of the Scott Morrison, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>apparently over the Me Too movement, and yet his own

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 3>social media postings show very disparaging remarks towards senior women.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you find this both offensive and hypocritical?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, it's both. It's incredibly offensive and extremely hypocritical. Simon

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 11>Holmes at Court uses these women as a front to

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<v Speaker 11>protect his own commercial interests. Let's be very very frank.

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<v Speaker 11>These women, the Teal movement more broadly, highly educated women,

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.479
<v Speaker 11>Greens in designer close by any other name, and if

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 11>they were really feminists they'd stand on their own two

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 11>feet and give this bloke the heave ho, because right

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 11>now his brand is undermining their reputation. This guy, it's

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 11>always at follow the money, Shari. You need to just

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 11>follow the money of Simon Holmes of Court, his commercial

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 11>vested interests, who he runs with, and why they are

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 11>pursuing one hundred percent renewables for this country when we

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 11>know it is dangerous, it will ruin our economy, and

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 11>that there are much better ways to bring down emissions.

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 11>Use our backyard full of uranium, keep drops on shore

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 11>and make sure we put down with pressure on prices.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I want to ask you about this comments

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 3>from Donald Trump today. Now I broke the story in

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 3>the show a month or so ago that Albanezi was

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 3>trying to get hold of Trump and Trump wasn't taking

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 3>the phone calls. Were Now they are these comments publicly

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 3>from Trump today, which indicates that he is aware of

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 3>the cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look, there's an election in Australia.

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 7>Are the Australian Prime minister is having an election this weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>Will you speak to him about trade?

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<v Speaker 10>They are going well with.

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<v Speaker 2>God, So there you go. He knows his calling. I mean,

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 2>bridget Donald Trump is working with negative well apparently journals in.

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 11>He can't send Kevin Rudd, so he sent the journals

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 11>in to say please take my call President.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 3>What about the other night on Chattel seven he says

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't know if he has.

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<v Speaker 2>A mobile phone. Well, of course he does have a

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>mobile phone.

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 3>But the point is, firstly, is Trump working as a

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<v Speaker 3>negative for the coalition? Because this was initially embarrassing that

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Albaneze couldn't get him on the phone. But now the

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Trump factor is impacting, it seems on Dutton's prospects.

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<v Speaker 11>Well. I think we live in incredibly challenging times, and

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 11>not just Geo strategically, Shahi economically and socially as well.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 11>And the solutions to these challenging times are very neat,

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 11>sophisticated plans, not sort of soundbites and the fifteen second

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 11>grabs that sometimes you get from prime ministers in election campaigns.

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 11>The Trump issue is obviously a problem, not just for

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 11>Australia but right around the globe. He's a great disruptor.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 11>I would argue he's not a conservative, and I think

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 11>for Peter, he's made very clear that for us in

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 11>the Coalition, we have one priority and that's our national

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 11>sovereignty here at home, and he's going made it very

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 11>clear that should we get the great privilege come Sunday

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 11>morning to be the government, then we will be putting

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 11>Australian's interests first. Now, presidents come and go. The alliance,

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 11>irrespective of who's sitting in the White House or who's

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 11>sitting in the lodge, is strong and we need to

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 11>sort of put this into perspective and can't. I don't

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 11>think the coalition could have been clearer around where we

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 11>sit when it comes to President Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, of course it has been weaponized against and

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Mark Conny, Mark Carney's win yesterday I think is frightening

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people in the coalition. Fridgia mackenzie really

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 3>appreciate your time. Now still to come the man who'll

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 3>tell you that Alban Eze's reckless spending will ruin the economy.

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 3>But first the bombshell new text messages that could below

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 3>open the Ben Robert Smith appeal. That's after this quick break,

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back with massive day in the Federal court tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>with Victoria Cross recipient Ben Robert Smith's bid to set

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 3>aside the defamation finding against him and even have a retrial.

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 3>His appeal now centers on the bombshell admission from nine

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 3>journalist Nick mackenzie that he obtained the war hero's legal strategy.

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 3>Now this was captured in explosive audio that we first

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:50.760
<v Speaker 3>broadcast in March.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the most egregious part.

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<v Speaker 6>I shouldn't tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just preached mythics in doing that.

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<v Speaker 8>Like this is where like this is.

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<v Speaker 1>If you knew that.

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>But it gets worse.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 3>We now know about text messages where Danielle Scott, and

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 3>she's the best friend of Ben, Robert Smith's ex wife,

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 3>told Nick mackenzie always better to be on the front foot.

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 3>I say, and know what they are planning. I think

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 3>you owe me two beers now, So those texts appear

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<v Speaker 3>to corroborate the suggestion in the recording that mackenzie had

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 3>access to Robert Smith's legal strategy or part of it.

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Now Robert Smiths lawyers are arguing a serious injustice has occurred.

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 3>They claim this is a case of misconduct. Nine have

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 3>denied all suggestions they've acted unethically or obtained any privileged

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 3>legal documents were to discuss. Let's bringing now the Rule

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 3>of Law Institute of Australia's Chris Merrick. Chris, great to

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 3>see you, so give us an overview of where you

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 3>think this is headed over the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 12>Until now this case has all learn about Ben Robert Smith.

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<v Speaker 12>He's faced all the downside, but the downside now weighs

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 12>far more heavily on Nick McKenzie and his employer Nine Entertainment.

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 12>And I say this for this reason. If Ben Robert

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 12>Smith loses this case, the only thing that happens is

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 12>he can't reopen his appeal. If Nick McKenzie loses this,

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 12>it's almost certain that not only the appeal will be reopened,

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 12>but the verdict and the original defamation case could be vacated,

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 12>and that inevitably would trigger moves to reconsider the costs

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 12>order in that case. And that's tens of millions of

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 12>dollars that could be up for grabs.

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Fifty million.

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 12>Isn't it easy? Now? It doesn't end there. There's four

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 12>points that Ben Robert Smith needs to prove if he's

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 12>going to win this the right to reopen this case?

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:59.439
<v Speaker 12>Was the material that Nick McKenzie obtained privileged two? Did

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 12>he know it? Privilege three? Did he engage in conduct

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 12>that a court considered to be unlawful or improper? And

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 12>did that affect the unfairness of the trial. If he

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 12>gets all those things up, he wins. But just consider this,

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 12>If he gets up on just one, If he gets

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 12>up on proving that Nick McKenzie, a star Walkley Award

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 12>winning reporter, engaged in conduct that was unlawful or improper,

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 12>Ben Robert Smith would still lose the case. But Nick

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 12>McKenzie would be stuck with a finding by the full

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 12>Federal Court that his journalistic methods a manner to unlawful

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 12>or improper conduct that would be very reputational, not suicide,

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 12>but difficult to be difficult for him to live with.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, already this audio recording being made public is probably

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 3>difficult for him to live with.

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean for people watching at home.

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Why this matters ultimately is you had Australia's most decor

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 3>war hero, most celebrated war hero, accused of war crimes

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 3>by Channel nine and now there seems to be I mean,

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 3>an admission in the recording from Nick mackenzie. He says

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 3>he's breached his own ethics and other things. And so

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think the Australians go, right, if you're

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 3>going to pursue a war criminal, well you can't engage

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 3>in dirty tricks like potentially obtaining his legal strategy.

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 12>It will be really entertaining to put it that way.

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 12>To see Nick mackenzie cross examined tomorrow by Arthur Moses.

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<v Speaker 12>Arthur Moses is one of the country's most forensic silks,

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 12>and he's also the silk who was referred to by

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 12>Nick Mackenzie in his book on the defamation case as

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 12>sneering and supercilious. So I think it will be very

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 12>entertaining to see how Mackenzie stands up. So a forensic

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 12>cross examination about that recording by a fellow who he's

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 12>personally criticized.

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Always high risk, I'm told journalist on the stand, they

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 3>don't usually give good, great evidence.

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I think that might be the case. But look,

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 12>it's only going to be two days, but it's before

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 12>the full federal court, so it'll be a very substantial

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 12>decision with wide ranging implications.

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure it'll be a dramatic day in court tomorrow.

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 3>We'll have all the details here tomorrow night, Chris, thank

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 3>you very much, and so make sure you're watching tomorrow

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 3>night eight o'clock final show before the election from me.

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 3>But also we will have news on how that hearing went,

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 3>now still to come, how alban Easy's wild spending could

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 3>see a ratings downgrade, and how to impact on your loans.

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Plus Liberal Senator Holly Hughes won't hold back when she

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 3>tells us what she really thinks of the campaign strategy.

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>That's after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as we've been discussing tonight the Tills are in

0:39:56.360 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 3>a world of pain with campaign scandals mounting by day.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Or to discuss let's bring in liberal Senator Holly Hughes.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Holly go to see Hey Shari. So we've had the

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Minique Ryan scandal. She's had more than anyone.

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 13>But then also, which one are we talking about? Yeah,

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 13>we need to clarify which many teal makes.

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I was driving dropping kids at school this morning when

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 3>I heard Ben Fordham interview Sophie Scomps.

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 2>And it was just so appalling. I don't know if

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>you heard it, but.

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 3>The way she said if I offend it.

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<v Speaker 13>It's the apology without an apology, and it's so appalling.

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.720
<v Speaker 13>I mean, if you're bringing people's children, and particularly children

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.720
<v Speaker 13>who died so that family is going through horrific grief

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 13>and she's using that grief to score political points over

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 13>climate change. I mean it is These were the politicians

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 13>of integrity, kindness. They were going to do it differently,

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 13>and they're disgusting and they are reaching at the bottom

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.720
<v Speaker 13>of the barrel at every opportunity, whether it is pulling

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 13>down signs and husbands doing those of dirty jobs for you,

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<v Speaker 13>or whether it's the CCP helping out manning booths, or

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 13>whether it's now dragging in a grieving family to push

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 13>a climate change agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>It's disgusting. But you think they get back in or

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<v Speaker 2>who do you think loses?

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<v Speaker 13>Oh well, you know all of them would be my hope.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.839
<v Speaker 13>I think that might be pushing a little bit too much.

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 13>I think mon aik Ryan is in trouble. I think

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 13>Emelia Haim is a great candidate in Kojong, and I

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 13>think Monique should be in trouble. Goldstain looks like we

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<v Speaker 13>could pick that back up with Tim Wilson. Kate Cheney

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<v Speaker 13>I think is in a lot of trouble in Curtain.

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 13>I was been over in Wa and they're doing a

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:36.800
<v Speaker 13>great job over there.

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>With Tom So hearing that as well.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah so, But I think Sophie Scompsy mckela has really

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<v Speaker 13>kind of shown the grub that she is. I mean

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 13>a Legrasvender, I'd be too late, might be too late,

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 13>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing, there's so many.

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<v Speaker 13>Votes that have already been lodged. But you know, Allegraspender

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 13>forgot she was on seven boards. I mean, like, how

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 13>does that relate to people who are struggling with cost

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:03.359
<v Speaker 13>of living. When you forget you've got seven directorships, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean that'll be a tight contest in went Worth between

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 3>her and Roe Notox.

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, that'll be a close one. I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I want to ask you your thoughts and the

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Coalition campaign. You're an outgoing senator, so perhaps you don't

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 3>have to be as careful as everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think could have been better?

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<v Speaker 13>Look, I feel like the last couple of days have

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 13>been not just from the colligion, from every side, even

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 13>the Teals and Labor and everyone. This sort of almost

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.479
<v Speaker 13>feels this chaos as are up to in the last

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 13>three or four days, and whether it's just too little,

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 13>too late to really engage the electorate properly, because as

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.320
<v Speaker 13>we said, for nearly four million people have already voted.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 13>But I think for me what's been disappointing. I think

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 13>Darts has done a great job. I think Peter Dutton's

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 13>been out there every day, working really really hard and

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:51.800
<v Speaker 13>doing his best to get our positive message and change

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.919
<v Speaker 13>plans out there. But I looked at Labor and they've

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 13>got Murray Watt as their attack dog, and I don't

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 13>know who else is and the fact, we've got a

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 13>prime minister who is an out and out liar. This

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 13>is someone who lied about falling off stage when it's

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 13>on camera. He lied about your two hundred and seventy

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 13>five dollars coming off. He lied about the Chinese warships

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 13>and when they learn about the live fire exercises. He's

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 13>now been found what did Joe hild a Brand call

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 13>it tactical obscation? Obscation I can't even say that word,

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 13>but it's a lie, Joe, it's a lie.

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 1>But you know he was.

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 13>He's been caught lying now about Russia and Indonesia. This

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 13>guy's an out in mountli takes on the Rocks recipes

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.359
<v Speaker 13>like everything, everything he lies about and that it just

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 13>doesn't seem to have landed in the electorate. I mean,

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 13>you cannot believe a word that this guy says. And

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 13>you know it was clonel today, Andrew Clanel at the

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 13>Press Club. You know, an hour of my life I'll

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.240
<v Speaker 13>never get back after watching that. But it was Clonail

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 13>that asked him some of those questions and you know

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 13>we're in a more friendly time slot for it. But

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:53.720
<v Speaker 13>caught him out like Malcolm Fraser did with the bullshit

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 13>of the press gallery and that's I mean, to watch

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 13>that press club today, it was like he was hanging

0:43:58.640 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 13>out with his best mates.

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:04.720
<v Speaker 2>It was Sydney, it really was. That showed the camera

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>above to a tea. Absolutely absolutely, But well that has

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>been an issue as well.

0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean we've been covering it and when I interviewed

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton on Monday, he said to me he called

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 3>the press pat traveling with him activists, not journalists.

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 13>Absolutely, So many reporters now are not journalists. I did

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.799
<v Speaker 13>journalism when I started after university, and I can tell

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 13>you we were taught to be impartial. That was our

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 13>role was to look at the facts and then give

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 13>every sort of angle of a story and try and

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 13>tease it out. Now they come in with an agenda

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:41.879
<v Speaker 13>and push that agenda. They're not journalists. They certainly didn't

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 13>get the same education I got when it came to

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 13>being a journal But I do you know, I'm frightened

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 13>for Australia when you look at the policy that Labor

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 13>and the Greens have around and realized super it's an

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 13>inheritance and a death tax, and yet that just hasn't

0:44:58.080 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 13>come through.

0:44:58.640 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 2>And you know the superannuation.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 13>It's going to upset family farmers and it's not index

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 13>the three million, so it's going to affect more and

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 13>more Australians every year.

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Holly Hughes, so good to see you as always.

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Thanks very next week now after the break, Just how

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 3>serious is this risk from Albanize spending to our triple

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 3>A credit rating? And could Labor extend its policy on

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 3>taxing unrealized capital gains?

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<v Speaker 2>It's after this break, all right, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's speak to the economics correspondent for The Australian, Matthew Cranston.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt, thanks for joining us tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, this was a very shocking warning from ratings agencies

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 3>down and Pause this week that we could lose our

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 3>triple A credit rating because of structural spending, off budget

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 3>spending and.

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:47.280
<v Speaker 2>The debt levels.

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Do you get the sense that the government is taking

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 3>this seriously enough?

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 14>Well, I think judging by his response, he's obviously thought

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:01.359
<v Speaker 14>that he had to do something. He came out into

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 14>a press conference on it, so at least rhetorically he

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 14>thinks it's important and rhetorically he thinks it's worth taking seriously.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 14>He keeps on obviously talking about the seventy eight billion

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 14>dollar deficit that the coalition left behind, which which isn't accurate,

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 14>it's the thirty billion dollar one.

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think that he's also.

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 2>This is the prime minister you mean or the treasurer.

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 14>No, this is the treasurer.

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 1>This is Jim Jim Charmers.

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 14>But I think when it comes to the actions and

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 14>the request of the ratings agencies, it does come down

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 14>to both both sides of politics. But it's just he's

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 14>in the box seat. He's the one that's got to

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 14>think about all these deficits going forward. But the big risk,

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 14>I think is that he doesn't take it seriously. And

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 14>part of that is because a lot of the bond

0:46:57.840 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 14>markets and a lot of the people that look at

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 14>ratings agencies now they say the ratings agencies don't make

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 14>a difference, they don't have an impact. This is what

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 14>they think. When the US lost its tip of a

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 14>credit rating to double a plus, the markets didn't respond

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 14>very strongly to that didn't it didn't really increase the

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 14>cost of debt dramatically very quickly, And so there's this

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 14>danger that you can be complacent and think, well, it

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 14>doesn't really matter so much and I can just slide

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 14>by and let the next few years just keep on

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.439
<v Speaker 14>spending big and taxing big.

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 3>But it does matter because, of course, yeah, the consequence

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 3>isn't just servicing the nation's debt. But you know, how

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:46.280
<v Speaker 3>could this flow onto mortgages and other loans like business loans.

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 14>Well, I mean just take for example, when when a

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 14>ratings agency isn't on top of things and isn't constantly assessing,

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 14>you know, the fiscal management of a country or the

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 14>risk within certain products such as credit default swaps during

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 14>the which ultimately led to the GFC. This is the

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:14.919
<v Speaker 14>subprime crisis. The ratings agencies didn't do anything there and

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 14>it blew it all up. But when it comes to

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 14>debt and sovereign debt, it does trickle down because if

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 14>you start to reprice the cost of government debt and

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 14>triple a debt and it comes down, then that flows

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 14>through because all borrowing costs in Australia and around the

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.439
<v Speaker 14>world are really based on the risk free rate, which

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 14>is government debt like US treasuries, and it's the same

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:40.799
<v Speaker 14>sort of thing in Australia as well. The risk free

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 14>rate sort of thing is what you'd pay for a

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 14>government bond and that's what mortgages are priced on, and

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 14>if that goes up, then your mortgage cost goes up

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 14>as well. It's all based on that.

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, Matt, I just want to quickly ask

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:58.880
<v Speaker 3>you about the focus on Labour's tax policy on unrealized

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 3>capital gains be concerning many people.

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 14>Well, look, I'm still a gased at because I've come

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 14>back from being a correspondent in Washington and come back

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 14>into this environment and seen so little debated about it.

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 14>People will say, oh, no, we had that debate a

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 14>few years ago, why are you bringing it up now?

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 14>And I'm like a serious like, this is a middle

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 14>of an election campaign. This is the time where you

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 14>actually have to discuss these policies. People will say, oh,

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 14>it's not legislated. Well, yeah, of course, but this is

0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 14>this is the whole point. You discuss it before it

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 14>gets legislated.

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:35.959
<v Speaker 7>But what is it.

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 14>It's it's probably one of the most horrendous taxes you

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 14>can bring in. It's an essentially it's taxing again that

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 14>you have made on an asset, but you haven't sold it.

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 14>And so it can be anything on paper, it could

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:52.959
<v Speaker 14>be properly, it could be Yeah, it's exactly you could

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 14>You could have an investment in a company and you

0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 14>might not have any cash, and it could go right up.

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 3>And so you're out of time. But love your work

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 3>now that you're the OZ. Great to see you, all right,

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Do not miss tomorrow night's show. It's the last one

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:11.919
<v Speaker 3>before the election. I'm gonna give you my endorsement who

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:13.760
<v Speaker 3>I think should be the next government.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Paul Murray.