Speaker 1: And then that was when sometime I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: that was probably it was after seven o'clock. It might
Speaker 1: have been even after eight o'clock by that time. I
Speaker 1: can't remember, honestly. All I know is it was dark.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was probably at least an hour or maybe an
Speaker 1: hour and a half after the plane landed, whatever time
Speaker 1: that was, And that was dark, because I remember I
Speaker 1: got off the plane in the dark.
Speaker 3: This is what John Winfield told police about the night.
Speaker 3: In May nineteen ninety three, he returned to Lennox Head
Speaker 3: from Sydney the night his wife bromwin vanished from their
Speaker 3: Sandstone Crescent home, where re enacting excerpts of his first
Speaker 3: and only formal police interview with Detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor.
Speaker 2: Do you know did you make any phone calls?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: The seventy six page typewritten transcript of the interview is
Speaker 3: being examined by the Australian's National Chief correspondent Headley Thomas
Speaker 3: in episodes fourteen and fifteen of the bromwn podcast series.
Speaker 3: They're live now for subscribers at bromwn podcast dot com
Speaker 3: and on the Australians app. Those phone calls have sparked
Speaker 3: a new element of this investigation exactly what went down
Speaker 3: in the Winfield home on the night Bromwyn was last seen.
Speaker 3: I'm Claire Harvey, the Australian's editorial director. You've just heard
Speaker 3: a small snippet of episode fifteen of Bromwyn, and there's
Speaker 3: more to come in just a moment. We love you
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Speaker 3: to hear this thrilling new episode. First, our subscribers play
Speaker 3: a vital role in helping us fund these complex investigations.
Speaker 3: That means new episodes of Bromwin are locked for a
Speaker 3: few weeks before they're available where you're listening now. As
Speaker 3: you've just heard, John Winfield initially told police he didn't
Speaker 3: make any calls from the home at Sandstone Crescent on
Speaker 3: that night May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, but when police
Speaker 3: showed him the phone records from the house, he said
Speaker 3: he did make two calls, one to his daughter Jody
Speaker 3: at six point fifty three pm and his brother Peter
Speaker 3: at seven o six pm.
Speaker 1: Oh I see, yeah, I rang that one. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: tell Jody I was at home. Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, I rang Jody and said, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: back home now, you know, because I sort of come
Speaker 1: up now, I remember that's Jody and my brother.
Speaker 3: The one at seven oh six.
Speaker 1: Yes, my brother, yep, I rang my brother too. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's my brother's number. Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That prompted another question for Headley. Was it possible
Speaker 3: for John's recollection to be right or is it possible
Speaker 3: those calls were actually made by bromwin Winfield, perhaps concerned
Speaker 3: about her husband's imminent arrival. John Winfield told police he
Speaker 3: landed at Ballina Airport that night after sunset, So could
Speaker 3: John have got to the home in time for that
Speaker 3: six fifty three pm phone call. He's Headley speaking in
Speaker 3: episode fifteen.
Speaker 2: We have been trying to confirm the arrival time in
Speaker 2: Ballina on May sixteen, nineteen ninety three of the flight
Speaker 2: which John Winfield bordered in Sydney earlier that day. It
Speaker 2: was a seventy to eighty minute flight. The airline Anset Australia,
Speaker 2: which collapsed several years later, flew the route for several days.
Speaker 2: I was tantalizingly close because of the discovery of an
Speaker 2: ANSET timetable for the months of September nineteen ninety two
Speaker 2: to March of nineteen ninety three, but I didn't have
Speaker 2: the May nineteen ninety three timetable. We were close, no cigar.
Speaker 2: Here's why it might be crucial. It struck me that
Speaker 2: the timing appeared to make it very difficult, if not impossible,
Speaker 2: for John to have made those.
Speaker 3: Calls to find out for sure. Headley needed that timetable.
Speaker 3: And that's where one very diligent listener of Bromwin comes in,
Speaker 3: lawyer Karina Berger.
Speaker 2: You've done work with coronial inquiries over a number of years,
Speaker 2: haven't you. Yes, I have Hesley.
Speaker 3: To find out what Hedley and Karina have discovered, along
Speaker 3: with some illuminating findings by our senior reporter Matt Condon.
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