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Speaker 1: And then that was when sometime I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: that was probably it was after seven o'clock. It might

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Speaker 1: have been even after eight o'clock by that time. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember, honestly. All I know is it was dark.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was probably at least an hour or maybe an

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Speaker 1: hour and a half after the plane landed, whatever time

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Speaker 1: that was, And that was dark, because I remember I

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Speaker 1: got off the plane in the dark.

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Speaker 3: This is what John Winfield told police about the night.

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Speaker 3: In May nineteen ninety three, he returned to Lennox Head

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Speaker 3: from Sydney the night his wife bromwin vanished from their

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Speaker 3: Sandstone Crescent home, where re enacting excerpts of his first

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Speaker 3: and only formal police interview with Detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Do you know did you make any phone calls?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: The seventy six page typewritten transcript of the interview is

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Speaker 3: being examined by the Australian's National Chief correspondent Headley Thomas

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Speaker 3: in episodes fourteen and fifteen of the bromwn podcast series.

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Speaker 3: They're live now for subscribers at bromwn podcast dot com

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Speaker 3: and on the Australians app. Those phone calls have sparked

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Speaker 3: a new element of this investigation exactly what went down

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Speaker 3: in the Winfield home on the night Bromwyn was last seen.

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Speaker 3: I'm Claire Harvey, the Australian's editorial director. You've just heard

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Speaker 3: a small snippet of episode fifteen of Bromwyn, and there's

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Speaker 3: more to come in just a moment. We love you

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Speaker 3: to join our subscribers over at Bromwyn podcast dot com

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Speaker 3: to hear this thrilling new episode. First, our subscribers play

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Speaker 3: a vital role in helping us fund these complex investigations.

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Speaker 3: That means new episodes of Bromwin are locked for a

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Speaker 3: few weeks before they're available where you're listening now. As

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Speaker 3: you've just heard, John Winfield initially told police he didn't

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Speaker 3: make any calls from the home at Sandstone Crescent on

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Speaker 3: that night May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, but when police

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Speaker 3: showed him the phone records from the house, he said

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Speaker 3: he did make two calls, one to his daughter Jody

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Speaker 3: at six point fifty three pm and his brother Peter

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Speaker 3: at seven o six pm.

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Speaker 1: Oh I see, yeah, I rang that one. Yeah, to

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Speaker 1: tell Jody I was at home. Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, I rang Jody and said, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: back home now, you know, because I sort of come

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Speaker 1: up now, I remember that's Jody and my brother.

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Speaker 3: The one at seven oh six.

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Speaker 1: Yes, my brother, yep, I rang my brother too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's my brother's number. Yeah, I forgot about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That prompted another question for Headley. Was it possible

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Speaker 3: for John's recollection to be right or is it possible

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Speaker 3: those calls were actually made by bromwin Winfield, perhaps concerned

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Speaker 3: about her husband's imminent arrival. John Winfield told police he

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Speaker 3: landed at Ballina Airport that night after sunset, So could

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Speaker 3: John have got to the home in time for that

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Speaker 3: six fifty three pm phone call. He's Headley speaking in

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Speaker 3: episode fifteen.

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Speaker 2: We have been trying to confirm the arrival time in

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Speaker 2: Ballina on May sixteen, nineteen ninety three of the flight

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Speaker 2: which John Winfield bordered in Sydney earlier that day. It

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Speaker 2: was a seventy to eighty minute flight. The airline Anset Australia,

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Speaker 2: which collapsed several years later, flew the route for several days.

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Speaker 2: I was tantalizingly close because of the discovery of an

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Speaker 2: ANSET timetable for the months of September nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 2: to March of nineteen ninety three, but I didn't have

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Speaker 2: the May nineteen ninety three timetable. We were close, no cigar.

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Speaker 2: Here's why it might be crucial. It struck me that

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Speaker 2: the timing appeared to make it very difficult, if not impossible,

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Speaker 2: for John to have made those.

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Speaker 3: Calls to find out for sure. Headley needed that timetable.

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Speaker 3: And that's where one very diligent listener of Bromwin comes in,

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Speaker 3: lawyer Karina Berger.

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Speaker 2: You've done work with coronial inquiries over a number of years,

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Speaker 2: haven't you. Yes, I have Hesley.

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Speaker 3: To find out what Hedley and Karina have discovered, along

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Speaker 3: with some illuminating findings by our senior reporter Matt Condon.

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