WEBVTT - 'THANKS MADGE. JOB DONE!': Why Broncos must move Maguire on | Round 27 Preview 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.920 Welcome to the Code NRL show. Dave Riccio, as always, 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.160 with Michael Karyanis and Brent Reid. 0:00:06.180 --> 0:00:07.140 Oh, hello, Dave. 0:00:07.220 --> 0:00:07.620 Hello. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.090 Hey, boys, I'm not going to get into what was 0:00:11.140 --> 0:00:13.230 another drama-charged rugby league week. 0:00:13.910 --> 0:00:15.630 But before we get into today's show, I want to 0:00:15.850 --> 0:00:16.709 say something. 0:00:16.489 --> 0:00:20.030 About this very, very special project currently on the Code 0:00:20.050 --> 0:00:25.489 Sports website, and that's that brand-new exclusive series called Sacked NRL. 0:00:25.950 --> 0:00:26.790 It's gone bananas. 0:00:27.270 --> 0:00:29.550 It goes behind the scenes with some of the Biggest 0:00:29.610 --> 0:00:32.790 names to ever play the game, we've seen Braitha Nasta. 0:00:33.350 --> 0:00:37.030 Mitch Pearce is coming, Marty Tapao. Matt Elliott, the former 0:00:37.050 --> 0:00:39.710 head coach, is coming. 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I'm getting a bit emotional about 0:01:08.630 --> 0:01:10.540 it because I've never really told it publicly. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.640 So there's just a little grab there of what's to 0:01:13.700 --> 0:01:19.690 come for Braith and Astor's interview on the Sacked NRL podcast. 0:01:20.610 --> 0:01:24.300 It has its own homepage, fellas. Sackednrl.com.au. 0:01:24.380 --> 0:01:27.900 It's available now exclusively for Code Sports subscribers. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:39.819 Sackednrl.com.au. Get amongst it. Let's rip into it. The Brisbane Broncos. 0:01:40.740 --> 0:01:44.280 How on earth are we still talking about the Brisbane Broncos? 0:01:44.700 --> 0:01:45.220 Schmozzle. 0:01:46.250 --> 0:01:47.350 How did we get here? 0:01:47.370 --> 0:01:47.970 How did we get here? 0:01:47.990 --> 0:01:49.250 Like this time last year. 0:01:49.270 --> 0:01:50.350 Oh, yeah. 0:01:51.170 --> 0:01:53.630 Were you predicting a Mick? What do you mean? I 0:01:53.650 --> 0:01:55.640 didn't predict Dears. Not Dears. 0:01:56.020 --> 0:01:57.260 He even suggested. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:57.760 Nostradamus. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.280 I don't know. Can I say... I'm going to say this, Dave. 0:02:01.300 --> 0:02:05.100 I'm going to say this. I'm going to reveal this. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.120 I don't think Mick's... This has ever been revealed. Before 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.960 the season began, Mick said to me, you should do 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.630 a column on why they should part ways with Michael 0:02:15.650 --> 0:02:16.290 Maguire now. 0:02:16.430 --> 0:02:17.760 Yeah, so... Yeah, I'll do... Have we. 0:02:17.770 --> 0:02:17.960 Well, I. 0:02:19.650 --> 0:02:22.110 Can you confirm that? Are you comfortable confirming that? 0:02:22.130 --> 0:02:22.210 Yeah. 0:02:22.230 --> 0:02:22.709 Sorry, sorry. 0:02:23.150 --> 0:02:25.650 Okay, now I'm coming with you on this. 0:02:26.190 --> 0:02:27.230 So before the season even started. 0:02:27.250 --> 0:02:29.970 Because you have been consistent about how they shouldn't re-sign. 0:02:30.010 --> 0:02:31.010 Mick saw this coming. 0:02:31.150 --> 0:02:32.530 I didn't see it though. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:40.300 But now you declared privately to colleagues that, that there's 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.360 a column to be written that Michael should never have 0:02:43.380 --> 0:02:44.820 started this season with the Broncos? 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.300 I said to, because Reedy obviously does his Saturday column 0:02:47.340 --> 0:02:49.880 and he was looking for ideas and I said, well, 0:02:50.220 --> 0:02:56.149 I've got a crazy suggestion. Macca's award. Participation award. I've 0:02:56.169 --> 0:02:59.970 got a crazy suggestion that Brisbane, like I should have 0:02:59.990 --> 0:03:03.050 coached this year. I don't think it was like, immediate sacking. 0:03:03.370 --> 0:03:07.270 That's not what I was getting at, right? But coach, no, no, 0:03:07.370 --> 0:03:09.890 but to tell him this, like, you're not going to 0:03:09.910 --> 0:03:11.350 be re-signed as Brisbane coach. 0:03:12.270 --> 0:03:14.250 It's whatever the length of this contract is, that's it. 0:03:14.410 --> 0:03:16.530 Which meant, in turn, this probably would have been his 0:03:16.570 --> 0:03:17.760 last year, right? 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.700 And my response was, you're a complete and utter imbecile. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:22.580 And I said, you're right. I go, it sounds so 0:03:22.700 --> 0:03:25.780 stupid to say because the last time he coached, they 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.260 won a comp, right? So it was absurd to say. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:29.680 I understood that. I got it. 0:03:29.860 --> 0:03:34.290 And, but, What led you to that? 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:35.540 History. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.680 History. He's a guy that can win a competition. There's 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.640 no doubt about that. And he's a really good coach. 0:03:40.660 --> 0:03:41.580 He can win trophies. 0:03:41.660 --> 0:03:43.940 He can get it done, right? But once that job 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.280 is done, the job is done. Move on. It doesn't 0:03:47.300 --> 0:03:50.580 get any better. Luke Keery summed it up the best. 0:03:50.930 --> 0:03:53.470 He's put it into words what I was trying to 0:03:53.510 --> 0:03:56.250 get at. When South won the competition, it wasn't built 0:03:56.290 --> 0:04:00.810 on sustained success. That's where we're at again, right? The 0:04:00.850 --> 0:04:01.890 players climbed the mountains. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:02.620 Right. 0:04:02.660 --> 0:04:05.920 They did an amazing job and he's a premiership window coach. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.540 I've said this a thousand times that, you know, if 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.230 you're looking to win a comp, that's who I'd get. 0:04:10.830 --> 0:04:13.550 But he's a two to three year max. And the 0:04:13.570 --> 0:04:16.290 thing with the Broncos is that things probably happened sooner 0:04:16.310 --> 0:04:18.610 than we all thought last year. Right. Usually, you know, 0:04:18.630 --> 0:04:21.330 with Madge, it's year two. It's a three year project. 0:04:21.370 --> 0:04:22.590 That's why they gave him a three year deal. 0:04:22.770 --> 0:04:24.130 Oh yeah. I'm not being critical of the length of 0:04:24.150 --> 0:04:26.050 the deal they gave him. Right. Like I get it. 0:04:26.130 --> 0:04:28.050 I'm just saying that was their expectation as well. 0:04:28.070 --> 0:04:29.370 That it wasn't going to happen as quick. And because 0:04:29.430 --> 0:04:32.800 it's happened so quick, it's happened so quick. it's unravelled 0:04:32.820 --> 0:04:33.200 so quick. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:33.440 Yeah. 0:04:33.980 --> 0:04:36.960 So job done. Thank you, Madge. You ended the drought. 0:04:37.020 --> 0:04:39.839 How can't Broncos management see this? Because all the commentary 0:04:39.900 --> 0:04:43.190 out of Broncos is he's our coach for the future. 0:04:43.930 --> 0:04:46.770 Because it seems insane to sack a guy who won 0:04:46.790 --> 0:04:49.929 a comp less than 12 months ago. It seems insane. 0:04:49.950 --> 0:04:52.510 Not when you put it like, he doesn't sound like 0:04:52.550 --> 0:04:55.190 an insane person, Michael Kariotis, when he's explaining that. 0:04:55.589 --> 0:04:56.169 Oh, please. 0:04:56.430 --> 0:04:58.740 And I think we're- You need to spend more time 0:04:58.750 --> 0:04:59.180 with the bloke. 0:04:59.330 --> 0:04:59.900 No, I understand. 0:05:00.140 --> 0:05:04.960 But being honest- Everything he just explained stacks up. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.240 What he sees, Dave, is what a lot of people see, right? 0:05:07.540 --> 0:05:08.240 Who's he? 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.640 What Mick sees is what a lot of people see, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.719 that maybe the best thing for the Broncos is to 0:05:13.779 --> 0:05:18.430 move on. It's very hard when you're a club that's 0:05:18.470 --> 0:05:21.169 waited so long to win a comp, right? And you 0:05:21.190 --> 0:05:24.470 have a coach who has won your premiership and has 0:05:24.490 --> 0:05:28.130 a year left on his deal. I'm not sure many 0:05:28.170 --> 0:05:31.670 clubs would, Come out and say he's gone. 0:05:31.850 --> 0:05:35.380 None would. It's insane. And I said it. I said 0:05:35.420 --> 0:05:36.600 it to you at the time, Reid. I said, this 0:05:36.660 --> 0:05:37.300 is insane. 0:05:37.620 --> 0:05:38.160 Yeah. Right. 0:05:38.180 --> 0:05:40.279 It's an insane thing to talk about. Insane thing to write. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.790 But. But it would also be insane right now. To 0:05:44.850 --> 0:05:47.150 extend his deal, which is what they're talking about. 0:05:47.170 --> 0:05:48.270 But that's where I'm coming from. 0:05:48.370 --> 0:05:49.409 That would be insane as well. 0:05:49.430 --> 0:05:51.150 We can say it's insane that you would sack him, 0:05:51.350 --> 0:05:54.000 but alternatively, they're saying they're going to extend him. 0:05:54.010 --> 0:05:55.780 Yeah, so you sit tight. Don't do anything. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:56.780 Yeah, so why are you talking about it? 0:05:56.779 --> 0:05:57.520 You don't need to do anything. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.600 Is there not? Because clubs, Dave. 0:05:59.900 --> 0:06:04.460 Clubs have this misguided view that if you extend a 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.680 coach and give him, you know, if he's got two 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.320 or three years left on his deal, it gives them 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.760 stability and certainty, but it doesn't. The only thing that 0:06:13.779 --> 0:06:17.840 gives you that is winning, right? So clubs, I can't 0:06:17.860 --> 0:06:21.140 believe clubs can't get their head around this, that they 0:06:21.180 --> 0:06:23.700 still think if we give him two more years, no 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.660 one will talk about the coach. But the minute you 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.740 start losing, people will start talking about the coach again. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:28.000 Yeah. 0:06:28.100 --> 0:06:29.560 So the best thing they can do right now, I mean, 0:06:29.580 --> 0:06:31.370 it doesn't matter anyway, they'll have a payout clause in 0:06:31.380 --> 0:06:33.610 the contract. Soon enough, they give him two more years, 0:06:33.890 --> 0:06:36.429 it'll have a six-month payout clause or whatever, standard six-month 0:06:36.470 --> 0:06:39.550 payout clause. Yeah. The best thing they can do is 0:06:39.570 --> 0:06:42.370 just sit tight. They're doing a review anyway. You can't 0:06:42.410 --> 0:06:43.650 extend him before the review starts. 0:06:43.670 --> 0:06:45.489 So the players are going to be interviewed as part 0:06:45.650 --> 0:06:45.969 of it? 0:06:45.990 --> 0:06:46.350 Will they? 0:06:46.670 --> 0:06:47.890 Yeah, well, I've been told they are. 0:06:47.910 --> 0:06:49.110 Okay, well, okay. Well, that's good. 0:06:49.290 --> 0:06:50.250 If you're going to do a review, you have to 0:06:50.270 --> 0:06:50.950 speak to the players. 0:06:50.990 --> 0:06:51.190 Yeah. 0:06:51.770 --> 0:06:54.450 Well, it feels like it's a bit of a half-pie review, 0:06:54.730 --> 0:06:55.210 to be fair. 0:06:55.350 --> 0:06:57.089 Every club does a review at the end of the year, 0:06:57.150 --> 0:06:59.930 but if you do any sort of review, you have 0:06:59.950 --> 0:07:03.050 to talk. It doesn't mean you have to... like listen 0:07:03.070 --> 0:07:04.550 to everything they say, but you have to take it 0:07:04.570 --> 0:07:07.479 into consideration when you're speaking to all the key stakeholders 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.220 and players are a huge stakeholder in terms of who 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:11.080 the coach is at the club. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.400 This Adam Reynolds situation has been an entire mess. 0:07:14.500 --> 0:07:19.200 Well, even with, you know, we've talked about the way 0:07:19.220 --> 0:07:23.710 their season's gone, right? It's been really poor. And since 0:07:24.330 --> 0:07:28.190 the pre-season, it's been a schmuzzle, right? But this week 0:07:28.630 --> 0:07:32.230 took it, the club plumbed new depths and With their 0:07:32.290 --> 0:07:37.710 handling of the Adam Reynolds situation. Ham-fisted. It was just 0:07:37.750 --> 0:07:39.369 a complete nut of rabble and mess. 0:07:39.550 --> 0:07:40.150 Unbelievable. 0:07:40.450 --> 0:07:44.230 And I don't know how something could be handled so poorly. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:45.630 It's astonishing. 0:07:45.650 --> 0:07:48.540 Particularly when the CEO is a former journo. Yep. 0:07:49.740 --> 0:07:51.920 Particularly when they've got a crisis manager. 0:07:52.260 --> 0:07:52.420 Yep. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.900 And particularly when you've got an experienced head coach. He's 0:07:55.940 --> 0:07:57.820 not a rookie coach. No. He walks through. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:58.540 And I understand that. 0:07:58.780 --> 0:08:02.060 He lived through. weekly crisis at the West Tigers. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.000 I understand. He's lived it weekly this year. I understand. Look, 0:08:05.110 --> 0:08:10.010 Adam obviously got emotional, right? And probably came out Monday night, 0:08:10.630 --> 0:08:15.510 was very emotional, reacted. You know, the club didn't have 0:08:15.570 --> 0:08:18.730 control over his reaction. But they had control over the 0:08:18.790 --> 0:08:21.290 days after that, or the next day, the 24 hours 0:08:21.370 --> 0:08:23.760 after that. And that's where I think, in my view, 0:08:23.780 --> 0:08:24.320 they got it wrong. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:25.600 Yeah, I agreed with you. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.620 Sentiment last night on 360, where why weren't both of 0:08:28.660 --> 0:08:29.040 them there? 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.940 Yeah, you can't preach unity and then do two separate 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:32.660 press conferences. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:32.780 No. 0:08:32.940 --> 0:08:35.940 And then the other one, too, for me is, and 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.840 I know this from other clubs, that they do planning 0:08:38.900 --> 0:08:43.080 around their departing players six weeks in advance. Were they 0:08:43.140 --> 0:08:46.360 not thinking that at some point we're going to address 0:08:46.740 --> 0:08:50.040 how we send off Adam Reynolds if he doesn't get 0:08:50.110 --> 0:08:53.510 onto the footy field? It seems so, as you said, ham-fisted. 0:08:53.830 --> 0:08:57.729 Yeah, it's been up. Salute train wreck this week. In 0:08:57.790 --> 0:08:59.390 a week, we should be sitting here going, oh, great 0:08:59.410 --> 0:09:01.949 news around the Broncos. Let's celebrate Adam Reynolds. They've had 0:09:02.309 --> 0:09:04.130 nothing to celebrate all year, but let's talk about a 0:09:04.580 --> 0:09:05.130 positive for him. 0:09:05.790 --> 0:09:06.000 Nope. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.819 No. He should be playing, man. He should be on 0:09:08.860 --> 0:09:11.059 the bench, play 20 minutes. 0:09:11.179 --> 0:09:11.520 Really? 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.160 Is there not the rule that has been brought into 0:09:14.179 --> 0:09:19.589 this game that caters for carrying extra players on your 0:09:19.650 --> 0:09:22.950 bench and not using them? Could they have not just 0:09:23.110 --> 0:09:27.060 named him on a six-man bench and... Hey, are we 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.960 even talking about it today if he's sitting on this 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:29.620 six-man bench? 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:29.839 No. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.780 Not if Adam was comfortable with it, but he probably 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.750 doesn't come out and say what he said on Monday. 0:09:34.830 --> 0:09:38.910 And then to your point, Mick Glaston on 360, next week, 0:09:39.950 --> 0:09:42.090 there's an opportunity to put him on a six-man bench, 0:09:42.130 --> 0:09:42.929 for goodness sake. 0:09:43.350 --> 0:09:45.510 Yeah, I don't know. If you said to Adam, oh, 0:09:45.530 --> 0:09:47.950 you're not quite ready this week, are you close next week, 0:09:48.050 --> 0:09:49.530 or do you think you'll be in a better position? 0:09:49.550 --> 0:09:51.570 I know you want a farewell, but how about we 0:09:51.590 --> 0:09:53.630 give you another week and you play next week? 0:09:53.910 --> 0:09:54.030 Mm-hmm. 0:09:54.610 --> 0:09:56.770 Was that a consideration? Was that a conversation? It's sort 0:09:56.790 --> 0:09:59.030 of been glossed over a little bit, right? But whether 0:09:59.070 --> 0:09:59.970 or not it was just Adam's fault. 0:10:00.090 --> 0:10:02.569 Week or bus, Mick. You know, he wanted to say 0:10:02.610 --> 0:10:04.709 his farewell at Suncorp Stadium by the sounds of it. 0:10:05.090 --> 0:10:08.880 And that's where I would say Adam's got overly emotional 0:10:08.910 --> 0:10:12.699 in this situation, right? Because it sounds like he's been... 0:10:12.460 --> 0:10:18.240 I wouldn't say forced is probably not the right word, 0:10:18.300 --> 0:10:22.349 but it sounds like Encouraged. Dave decided he wasn't ready 0:10:22.390 --> 0:10:25.850 this week, right? And he just, in his view, he 0:10:25.870 --> 0:10:27.790 wanted to play this week. If he couldn't play this week, 0:10:27.950 --> 0:10:30.530 forget about it. That's the way I read the situation. 0:10:31.070 --> 0:10:33.630 That's why I don't think next week's a consideration. 0:10:34.070 --> 0:10:36.150 Should it have been, though? 0:10:36.150 --> 0:10:36.750 100%. 0:10:36.750 --> 0:10:39.130 Well, probably, but again, yeah, I mean, I think- I 0:10:39.170 --> 0:10:41.550 tell you what I reckon has changed it? Beating the Raiders. 0:10:42.700 --> 0:10:44.620 Because I reckon Madge wants to win these final two 0:10:44.660 --> 0:10:46.900 games and the two halves got the job done down 0:10:46.940 --> 0:10:47.439 in Canberra. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:48.420 It was a pretty big win. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:49.199 It was a good win. 0:10:49.940 --> 0:10:52.800 With so much emotion around that Raiders game. Yeah. And 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.910 I think if they don't get the result there, there's 0:10:54.929 --> 0:11:00.130 an opportunity to say, well, that didn't work. Let's give 0:11:00.190 --> 0:11:02.970 Adam a crack in the last two weeks. But because 0:11:02.990 --> 0:11:05.109 it did work, because it was a significant win and 0:11:05.150 --> 0:11:08.760 well done Bronx, he doesn't want to change those halves. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.610 Yeah, I think that's madness. Madness. You're not playing for finals. 0:11:13.630 --> 0:11:14.750 They're trawling a rule in the game. 0:11:14.850 --> 0:11:15.069 I know. 0:11:15.190 --> 0:11:15.690 Come on, man. 0:11:15.790 --> 0:11:20.910 Well, there is a game on, so who are you tipping, fellas? Broncos, Storm, Melbourne. 0:11:21.550 --> 0:11:22.430 Broncos for me, Dave. 0:11:22.809 --> 0:11:23.170 Oh, wow. 0:11:23.230 --> 0:11:24.070 Yeah, they'll bounce back. 0:11:24.270 --> 0:11:26.210 Tough week. The key for me here is this is 0:11:26.250 --> 0:11:29.010 a pretty decent Storm lineup. Yeah, they are. With Jerome Hughes' 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.060 name to play back from a hammy issue, so I'm 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:33.880 leaning towards the Storm. 0:11:34.059 --> 0:11:34.280 Okay. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.060 There's some monster games this weekend. 0:11:36.100 --> 0:11:36.560 Huge. 0:11:37.059 --> 0:11:37.359 Huge? 0:11:37.740 --> 0:11:38.280 Huge games. 0:11:38.300 --> 0:11:39.430 How big, Mick? Big. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:39.580 Large. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:40.280 Large. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:41.120 Get excited, Mick. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:42.179 He's an excitable guy. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:43.140 Yeah, look at him. 0:11:43.710 --> 0:11:44.280 What gets you excited, Mick? 0:11:44.300 --> 0:11:46.830 Control your emotions, pal. What gets you excited? Are you 0:11:46.870 --> 0:11:48.829 disappointed about the Dragons or something? What's wrong? 0:11:49.730 --> 0:11:52.490 He's been off today, isn't he? That horse bolted long ago. 0:11:52.530 --> 0:11:53.350 What excites you, Mick? 0:11:54.270 --> 0:11:54.750 Rugby league. 0:11:55.330 --> 0:11:57.510 Well, not at the moment. We've got a massive game 0:11:57.530 --> 0:11:58.850 between the Panthers and Dogs. Can you fire up? 0:11:59.370 --> 0:12:00.910 Panthers-Dogs, yeah. COVID Cup. 0:12:01.700 --> 0:12:02.380 COVID Cup. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:03.500 Did the Panthers have COVID? 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:04.500 Nah, not yet. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.020 Not yet. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:07.240 COVID Cup. 0:12:07.300 --> 0:12:07.920 They could. 0:12:07.940 --> 0:12:09.660 It's very interesting, isn't it? 0:12:09.780 --> 0:12:09.880 The. 0:12:10.660 --> 0:12:12.880 What happens after this game if some Panthers players test 0:12:12.900 --> 0:12:15.559 positive for COVID with the finals only a week and 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.240 two weeks away? Do you think they'll be happy about that? 0:12:19.300 --> 0:12:21.040 They have a couple of days off and they'd play 0:12:21.059 --> 0:12:21.420 the following week. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:22.840 Do you reckon they'd be happy? Would you be happy 0:12:22.860 --> 0:12:25.439 about that, Dave? Put yourself in Ivan Cleary's shoes. 0:12:25.460 --> 0:12:27.660 Well, you've given me the flu in the past. That's 0:12:27.700 --> 0:12:29.490 with coughing and spluttering all over me. 0:12:29.490 --> 0:12:30.530 Definitely headaches you've given us. 0:12:30.670 --> 0:12:31.530 Headaches for sure. 0:12:31.630 --> 0:12:32.630 Migraines. Would you be happy about that? 0:12:32.790 --> 0:12:33.010 No. 0:12:33.650 --> 0:12:34.750 But what are you going to do? 0:12:35.190 --> 0:12:37.150 I did speak to Aaron Warburton about it. Actually, the 0:12:37.190 --> 0:12:39.820 Bulldogs CEO. He said they'd take him. every precaution with 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:40.319 their players. 0:12:40.420 --> 0:12:41.800 What's the alternative? What are they supposed to do? 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.459 I don't know. So when they're doing ball work, what's 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:45.400 every precaution, mate? 0:12:45.420 --> 0:12:49.520 Sanitise the ball again. Stop the play. Sanitise the ball. 0:12:49.540 --> 0:12:52.239 Stop the play with COVID. There's the COVID guys and 0:12:52.260 --> 0:12:53.069 the non-COVID guys. 0:12:53.090 --> 0:12:56.390 Remember, yes, that's clean the balls? Yeah. What a world 0:12:56.429 --> 0:12:56.710 it was. 0:12:56.730 --> 0:12:57.410 What a world. 0:12:57.590 --> 0:12:59.090 Crazy. Feels like a lifetime ago. 0:12:59.590 --> 0:13:03.410 This is the fifth halves change for the Panthers in 0:13:03.550 --> 0:13:07.630 seven weeks. I have concerns. I don't think you can... 0:13:07.470 --> 0:13:08.570 Where's the consistency? 0:13:09.750 --> 0:13:13.120 Jack Coll did get suspended, so it's not a selection decision. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:13.530 Okay. 0:13:13.910 --> 0:13:16.380 It's a change. No, no, I know, but you've got concerns. 0:13:16.420 --> 0:13:18.719 But the reason they've brought Jack Coll in is because- 0:13:18.740 --> 0:13:20.820 So Jack Coll over Blaze Talangi. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.960 Well, Blaze is clearly the odd man out at the moment. 0:13:25.420 --> 0:13:27.920 What do you reckon the dogs fear more running at them? 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:34.070 Well, probably Blaze, I would think. I don't think it's 0:13:34.110 --> 0:13:35.710 necessary about that with Blaze. 0:13:35.809 --> 0:13:36.590 You think it's about defense. 0:13:36.610 --> 0:13:38.630 It's defense. And they've got enough points of attack where 0:13:38.650 --> 0:13:41.410 they can score points to Panthers. So that's why I 0:13:41.429 --> 0:13:43.610 understood the Jack Cogger selection. It is surprising going for 0:13:43.650 --> 0:13:45.530 Jack Cole, considering he's off to the Bears. 0:13:45.570 --> 0:13:46.709 He's going to the Bears, yeah. 0:13:46.809 --> 0:13:49.830 But Penrith are there to try and get another minor 0:13:49.850 --> 0:13:51.630 premiership into a grand final, right? 0:13:51.690 --> 0:13:53.670 Very interesting what it means for Blaze, though, don't you think? 0:13:53.690 --> 0:13:54.020 I mean, I. 0:13:54.070 --> 0:13:56.350 Are you convinced he stays at Penrith? 0:13:56.390 --> 0:13:56.790 No, I don't. 0:13:56.890 --> 0:13:59.730 How can you be convinced, Dave? You can't. You can't, given... 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.099 the fact now that he's the third-choice 5'8 at the club. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:05.260 He's a November 1 guy. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.240 November 1, though, they've had to spend money. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.220 He's on good money, hey? 0:14:09.300 --> 0:14:10.980 And no amount of money they're going to have to spend. 0:14:11.020 --> 0:14:13.280 We're hearing Liam Arden was asking for a million dollars. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:21.300 The other re-signings aren't cheap. So there's been a bit of, yeah, 0:14:21.340 --> 0:14:24.510 so you look at the guys that are expendable in 0:14:24.550 --> 0:14:26.090 a way, and you go, well, they're not going to 0:14:26.130 --> 0:14:27.830 rush to re-sign Blaze at the moment, are you? 0:14:28.370 --> 0:14:30.229 I would not be surprised if he's had another club 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.280 Next year. That would not shock me. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.340 Should he come home to Parramatta with his brother Ryder? 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.600 The problem is they've signed Jerome for next year. Play six, right? 0:14:39.620 --> 0:14:40.220 For one year. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.870 Maybe you can stick him in the Senators for 12 months. Maybe. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.890 If I were Parra, I'd be looking at him, definitely. 0:14:48.090 --> 0:14:49.550 What are they paying Jerome next year again? 0:14:49.550 --> 0:14:50.130 $ 600. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.470 $ 600? $ 600, okay. 0:14:51.730 --> 0:14:53.790 So I was just trying to work out whether you 0:14:53.810 --> 0:14:57.150 could actually have them both in the team, one off 0:14:57.190 --> 0:14:59.870 the bench. Just for a year, because it is one 0:14:59.910 --> 0:15:02.520 year for Jerome. But you've then got Blaze for the 0:15:02.580 --> 0:15:03.060 next three. 0:15:03.220 --> 0:15:05.800 And he can shove him in the centres. When Jerome 0:15:05.860 --> 0:15:07.220 goes at the end of next year, you move him 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.840 to six, and then you get Brabham best. Boom. That's 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.120 a dangerous looking back line. 0:15:13.180 --> 0:15:14.890 They'd be an appeal for him. As we were. 0:15:14.730 --> 0:15:19.930 Exclusively revealed today, they're very heavy. In, they want Bradman Best. 0:15:19.950 --> 0:15:22.010 Well, they can't be, mate, because it's not November 1 yet. 0:15:22.070 --> 0:15:23.430 On November 1, they're very keen. 0:15:23.450 --> 0:15:25.010 Are they just waving a Bradman flag? 0:15:25.150 --> 0:15:26.030 On November 1. 0:15:26.010 --> 0:15:26.990 Brady's waving it for them. 0:15:27.050 --> 0:15:28.090 On November 1, they're in, baby. 0:15:28.110 --> 0:15:29.270 Out of the front of Convink. 0:15:29.350 --> 0:15:33.980 And you know what? Big, big buckaroonies for him. Sorry 0:15:34.100 --> 0:15:37.260 to take you off the subject. You're on Panthers Bulldogs. 0:15:37.620 --> 0:15:40.260 Yeah, no, no. Yeah, Panthers Bulldogs. But we are. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.970 We're trying to find a home for Blaise Talangi. 0:15:42.070 --> 0:15:44.030 Yeah. I think power is a logical one. 0:15:44.570 --> 0:15:47.190