Speaker 1: Welcome to the Code NRL show. Dave Riccio, as always,
Speaker 1: with Michael Karyanis and Brent Reid.
Speaker 2: Oh, hello, Dave.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hey, boys, I'm not going to get into what was
Speaker 1: another drama-charged rugby league week.
Speaker 3: But before we get into today's show, I want to
Speaker 3: say something.
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Speaker 1: for City in that 22-all draw with City Country in
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Speaker 3: Sackednrl.com.au. Get amongst it. Let's rip into it. The Brisbane Broncos.
Speaker 3: How on earth are we still talking about the Brisbane Broncos?
Speaker 2: Schmozzle.
Speaker 4: How did we get here?
Speaker 3: How did we get here?
Speaker 4: Like this time last year.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: Were you predicting a Mick? What do you mean? I
Speaker 4: didn't predict Dears. Not Dears.
Speaker 2: He even suggested.
Speaker 3: Nostradamus.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Can I say... I'm going to say this, Dave.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this. I'm going to reveal this.
Speaker 2: I don't think Mick's... This has ever been revealed. Before
Speaker 2: the season began, Mick said to me, you should do
Speaker 2: a column on why they should part ways with Michael
Speaker 2: Maguire now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so... Yeah, I'll do... Have we.
Speaker 2: Well, I.
Speaker 2: Can you confirm that? Are you comfortable confirming that?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm coming with you on this.
Speaker 2: So before the season even started.
Speaker 3: Because you have been consistent about how they shouldn't re-sign.
Speaker 2: Mick saw this coming.
Speaker 4: I didn't see it though.
Speaker 3: But now you declared privately to colleagues that, that there's
Speaker 3: a column to be written that Michael should never have
Speaker 3: started this season with the Broncos?
Speaker 4: I said to, because Reedy obviously does his Saturday column
Speaker 4: and he was looking for ideas and I said, well,
Speaker 4: I've got a crazy suggestion. Macca's award. Participation award. I've
Speaker 4: got a crazy suggestion that Brisbane, like I should have
Speaker 4: coached this year. I don't think it was like, immediate sacking.
Speaker 4: That's not what I was getting at, right? But coach, no, no,
Speaker 4: but to tell him this, like, you're not going to
Speaker 4: be re-signed as Brisbane coach.
Speaker 3: It's whatever the length of this contract is, that's it.
Speaker 4: Which meant, in turn, this probably would have been his
Speaker 4: last year, right?
Speaker 2: And my response was, you're a complete and utter imbecile.
Speaker 4: And I said, you're right. I go, it sounds so
Speaker 4: stupid to say because the last time he coached, they
Speaker 4: won a comp, right? So it was absurd to say.
Speaker 4: I understood that. I got it.
Speaker 1: And, but, What led you to that?
Speaker 2: History.
Speaker 4: History. He's a guy that can win a competition. There's
Speaker 4: no doubt about that. And he's a really good coach.
Speaker 3: He can win trophies.
Speaker 4: He can get it done, right? But once that job
Speaker 4: is done, the job is done. Move on. It doesn't
Speaker 4: get any better. Luke Keery summed it up the best.
Speaker 4: He's put it into words what I was trying to
Speaker 4: get at. When South won the competition, it wasn't built
Speaker 4: on sustained success. That's where we're at again, right? The
Speaker 4: players climbed the mountains.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: They did an amazing job and he's a premiership window coach.
Speaker 4: I've said this a thousand times that, you know, if
Speaker 4: you're looking to win a comp, that's who I'd get.
Speaker 4: But he's a two to three year max. And the
Speaker 4: thing with the Broncos is that things probably happened sooner
Speaker 4: than we all thought last year. Right. Usually, you know,
Speaker 4: with Madge, it's year two. It's a three year project.
Speaker 2: That's why they gave him a three year deal.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I'm not being critical of the length of
Speaker 4: the deal they gave him. Right. Like I get it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that was their expectation as well.
Speaker 4: That it wasn't going to happen as quick. And because
Speaker 4: it's happened so quick, it's happened so quick. it's unravelled
Speaker 4: so quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So job done. Thank you, Madge. You ended the drought.
Speaker 3: How can't Broncos management see this? Because all the commentary
Speaker 3: out of Broncos is he's our coach for the future.
Speaker 2: Because it seems insane to sack a guy who won
Speaker 2: a comp less than 12 months ago. It seems insane.
Speaker 1: Not when you put it like, he doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: an insane person, Michael Kariotis, when he's explaining that.
Speaker 2: Oh, please.
Speaker 4: And I think we're- You need to spend more time
Speaker 4: with the bloke.
Speaker 3: No, I understand.
Speaker 1: But being honest- Everything he just explained stacks up.
Speaker 2: What he sees, Dave, is what a lot of people see, right?
Speaker 3: Who's he?
Speaker 2: What Mick sees is what a lot of people see,
Speaker 2: that maybe the best thing for the Broncos is to
Speaker 2: move on. It's very hard when you're a club that's
Speaker 2: waited so long to win a comp, right? And you
Speaker 2: have a coach who has won your premiership and has
Speaker 2: a year left on his deal. I'm not sure many
Speaker 2: clubs would, Come out and say he's gone.
Speaker 4: None would. It's insane. And I said it. I said
Speaker 4: it to you at the time, Reid. I said, this
Speaker 4: is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 4: It's an insane thing to talk about. Insane thing to write.
Speaker 2: But. But it would also be insane right now. To
Speaker 2: extend his deal, which is what they're talking about.
Speaker 3: But that's where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2: That would be insane as well.
Speaker 3: We can say it's insane that you would sack him,
Speaker 3: but alternatively, they're saying they're going to extend him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you sit tight. Don't do anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so why are you talking about it?
Speaker 2: You don't need to do anything.
Speaker 3: Is there not? Because clubs, Dave.
Speaker 2: Clubs have this misguided view that if you extend a
Speaker 2: coach and give him, you know, if he's got two
Speaker 2: or three years left on his deal, it gives them
Speaker 2: stability and certainty, but it doesn't. The only thing that
Speaker 2: gives you that is winning, right? So clubs, I can't
Speaker 2: believe clubs can't get their head around this, that they
Speaker 2: still think if we give him two more years, no
Speaker 2: one will talk about the coach. But the minute you
Speaker 2: start losing, people will start talking about the coach again.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the best thing they can do right now, I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter anyway, they'll have a payout clause in
Speaker 2: the contract. Soon enough, they give him two more years,
Speaker 2: it'll have a six-month payout clause or whatever, standard six-month
Speaker 2: payout clause. Yeah. The best thing they can do is
Speaker 2: just sit tight. They're doing a review anyway. You can't
Speaker 2: extend him before the review starts.
Speaker 3: So the players are going to be interviewed as part
Speaker 3: of it?
Speaker 2: Will they?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've been told they are.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay. Well, that's good.
Speaker 4: If you're going to do a review, you have to
Speaker 4: speak to the players.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it feels like it's a bit of a half-pie review,
Speaker 2: to be fair.
Speaker 4: Every club does a review at the end of the year,
Speaker 4: but if you do any sort of review, you have
Speaker 4: to talk. It doesn't mean you have to... like listen
Speaker 4: to everything they say, but you have to take it
Speaker 4: into consideration when you're speaking to all the key stakeholders
Speaker 4: and players are a huge stakeholder in terms of who
Speaker 4: the coach is at the club.
Speaker 3: This Adam Reynolds situation has been an entire mess.
Speaker 2: Well, even with, you know, we've talked about the way
Speaker 2: their season's gone, right? It's been really poor. And since
Speaker 2: the pre-season, it's been a schmuzzle, right? But this week
Speaker 2: took it, the club plumbed new depths and With their
Speaker 2: handling of the Adam Reynolds situation. Ham-fisted. It was just
Speaker 2: a complete nut of rabble and mess.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how something could be handled so poorly.
Speaker 2: It's astonishing.
Speaker 3: Particularly when the CEO is a former journo. Yep.
Speaker 1: Particularly when they've got a crisis manager.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And particularly when you've got an experienced head coach. He's
Speaker 3: not a rookie coach. No. He walks through.
Speaker 2: And I understand that.
Speaker 3: He lived through. weekly crisis at the West Tigers.
Speaker 2: I understand. He's lived it weekly this year. I understand. Look,
Speaker 2: Adam obviously got emotional, right? And probably came out Monday night,
Speaker 2: was very emotional, reacted. You know, the club didn't have
Speaker 2: control over his reaction. But they had control over the
Speaker 2: days after that, or the next day, the 24 hours
Speaker 2: after that. And that's where I think, in my view,
Speaker 2: they got it wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agreed with you.
Speaker 1: Sentiment last night on 360, where why weren't both of
Speaker 1: them there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't preach unity and then do two separate
Speaker 2: press conferences.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: And then the other one, too, for me is, and
Speaker 1: I know this from other clubs, that they do planning
Speaker 1: around their departing players six weeks in advance. Were they
Speaker 1: not thinking that at some point we're going to address
Speaker 1: how we send off Adam Reynolds if he doesn't get
Speaker 1: onto the footy field? It seems so, as you said, ham-fisted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been up. Salute train wreck this week. In
Speaker 4: a week, we should be sitting here going, oh, great
Speaker 4: news around the Broncos. Let's celebrate Adam Reynolds. They've had
Speaker 4: nothing to celebrate all year, but let's talk about a
Speaker 4: positive for him.
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 2: No. He should be playing, man. He should be on
Speaker 2: the bench, play 20 minutes.
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 1: Is there not the rule that has been brought into
Speaker 1: this game that caters for carrying extra players on your
Speaker 1: bench and not using them? Could they have not just
Speaker 1: named him on a six-man bench and... Hey, are we
Speaker 1: even talking about it today if he's sitting on this
Speaker 1: six-man bench?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: Not if Adam was comfortable with it, but he probably
Speaker 4: doesn't come out and say what he said on Monday.
Speaker 1: And then to your point, Mick Glaston on 360, next week,
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to put him on a six-man bench,
Speaker 1: for goodness sake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. If you said to Adam, oh,
Speaker 4: you're not quite ready this week, are you close next week,
Speaker 4: or do you think you'll be in a better position?
Speaker 4: I know you want a farewell, but how about we
Speaker 4: give you another week and you play next week?
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4: Was that a consideration? Was that a conversation? It's sort
Speaker 4: of been glossed over a little bit, right? But whether
Speaker 4: or not it was just Adam's fault.
Speaker 2: Week or bus, Mick. You know, he wanted to say
Speaker 2: his farewell at Suncorp Stadium by the sounds of it.
Speaker 2: And that's where I would say Adam's got overly emotional
Speaker 2: in this situation, right? Because it sounds like he's been...
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say forced is probably not the right word,
Speaker 2: but it sounds like Encouraged. Dave decided he wasn't ready
Speaker 2: this week, right? And he just, in his view, he
Speaker 2: wanted to play this week. If he couldn't play this week,
Speaker 2: forget about it. That's the way I read the situation.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't think next week's a consideration.
Speaker 4: Should it have been, though?
Speaker 2: 100%.
Speaker 3: Well, probably, but again, yeah, I mean, I think- I
Speaker 3: tell you what I reckon has changed it? Beating the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Because I reckon Madge wants to win these final two
Speaker 1: games and the two halves got the job done down
Speaker 1: in Canberra.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty big win.
Speaker 4: It was a good win.
Speaker 3: With so much emotion around that Raiders game. Yeah. And
Speaker 3: I think if they don't get the result there, there's
Speaker 3: an opportunity to say, well, that didn't work. Let's give
Speaker 3: Adam a crack in the last two weeks. But because
Speaker 3: it did work, because it was a significant win and
Speaker 3: well done Bronx, he doesn't want to change those halves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's madness. Madness. You're not playing for finals.
Speaker 2: They're trawling a rule in the game.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Come on, man.
Speaker 3: Well, there is a game on, so who are you tipping, fellas? Broncos, Storm, Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Broncos for me, Dave.
Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll bounce back.
Speaker 3: Tough week. The key for me here is this is
Speaker 3: a pretty decent Storm lineup. Yeah, they are. With Jerome Hughes'
Speaker 3: name to play back from a hammy issue, so I'm
Speaker 3: leaning towards the Storm.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: There's some monster games this weekend.
Speaker 2: Huge.
Speaker 3: Huge?
Speaker 2: Huge games.
Speaker 3: How big, Mick? Big.
Speaker 2: Large.
Speaker 3: Large.
Speaker 2: Get excited, Mick.
Speaker 3: He's an excitable guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at him.
Speaker 4: What gets you excited, Mick?
Speaker 3: Control your emotions, pal. What gets you excited? Are you
Speaker 3: disappointed about the Dragons or something? What's wrong?
Speaker 4: He's been off today, isn't he? That horse bolted long ago.
Speaker 3: What excites you, Mick?
Speaker 4: Rugby league.
Speaker 3: Well, not at the moment. We've got a massive game
Speaker 3: between the Panthers and Dogs. Can you fire up?
Speaker 4: Panthers-Dogs, yeah. COVID Cup.
Speaker 2: COVID Cup.
Speaker 3: Did the Panthers have COVID?
Speaker 4: Nah, not yet.
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 3: COVID Cup.
Speaker 4: They could.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 3: The.
Speaker 2: What happens after this game if some Panthers players test
Speaker 2: positive for COVID with the finals only a week and
Speaker 2: two weeks away? Do you think they'll be happy about that?
Speaker 3: They have a couple of days off and they'd play
Speaker 3: the following week.
Speaker 2: Do you reckon they'd be happy? Would you be happy
Speaker 2: about that, Dave? Put yourself in Ivan Cleary's shoes.
Speaker 1: Well, you've given me the flu in the past. That's
Speaker 1: with coughing and spluttering all over me.
Speaker 4: Definitely headaches you've given us.
Speaker 3: Headaches for sure.
Speaker 2: Migraines. Would you be happy about that?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: But what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: I did speak to Aaron Warburton about it. Actually, the
Speaker 2: Bulldogs CEO. He said they'd take him. every precaution with
Speaker 2: their players.
Speaker 4: What's the alternative? What are they supposed to do?
Speaker 3: I don't know. So when they're doing ball work, what's
Speaker 3: every precaution, mate?
Speaker 4: Sanitise the ball again. Stop the play. Sanitise the ball.
Speaker 2: Stop the play with COVID. There's the COVID guys and
Speaker 2: the non-COVID guys.
Speaker 4: Remember, yes, that's clean the balls? Yeah. What a world
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: What a world.
Speaker 2: Crazy. Feels like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 1: This is the fifth halves change for the Panthers in
Speaker 1: seven weeks. I have concerns. I don't think you can...
Speaker 1: Where's the consistency?
Speaker 4: Jack Coll did get suspended, so it's not a selection decision.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: It's a change. No, no, I know, but you've got concerns.
Speaker 4: But the reason they've brought Jack Coll in is because-
Speaker 4: So Jack Coll over Blaze Talangi.
Speaker 2: Well, Blaze is clearly the odd man out at the moment.
Speaker 3: What do you reckon the dogs fear more running at them?
Speaker 2: Well, probably Blaze, I would think. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: necessary about that with Blaze.
Speaker 3: You think it's about defense.
Speaker 4: It's defense. And they've got enough points of attack where
Speaker 4: they can score points to Panthers. So that's why I
Speaker 4: understood the Jack Cogger selection. It is surprising going for
Speaker 4: Jack Cole, considering he's off to the Bears.
Speaker 3: He's going to the Bears, yeah.
Speaker 4: But Penrith are there to try and get another minor
Speaker 4: premiership into a grand final, right?
Speaker 2: Very interesting what it means for Blaze, though, don't you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Are you convinced he stays at Penrith?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: How can you be convinced, Dave? You can't. You can't, given...
Speaker 4: the fact now that he's the third-choice 5'8 at the club.
Speaker 2: He's a November 1 guy.
Speaker 4: November 1, though, they've had to spend money.
Speaker 3: He's on good money, hey?
Speaker 4: And no amount of money they're going to have to spend.
Speaker 4: We're hearing Liam Arden was asking for a million dollars.
Speaker 4: The other re-signings aren't cheap. So there's been a bit of, yeah,
Speaker 4: so you look at the guys that are expendable in
Speaker 4: a way, and you go, well, they're not going to
Speaker 4: rush to re-sign Blaze at the moment, are you?
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if he's had another club
Speaker 2: Next year. That would not shock me.
Speaker 3: Should he come home to Parramatta with his brother Ryder?
Speaker 2: The problem is they've signed Jerome for next year. Play six, right?
Speaker 3: For one year.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can stick him in the Senators for 12 months. Maybe.
Speaker 2: If I were Parra, I'd be looking at him, definitely.
Speaker 3: What are they paying Jerome next year again?
Speaker 2: $ 600.
Speaker 4: $ 600? $ 600, okay.
Speaker 3: So I was just trying to work out whether you
Speaker 3: could actually have them both in the team, one off
Speaker 3: the bench. Just for a year, because it is one
Speaker 3: year for Jerome. But you've then got Blaze for the
Speaker 3: next three.
Speaker 2: And he can shove him in the centres. When Jerome
Speaker 2: goes at the end of next year, you move him
Speaker 2: to six, and then you get Brabham best. Boom. That's
Speaker 2: a dangerous looking back line.
Speaker 3: They'd be an appeal for him. As we were.
Speaker 2: Exclusively revealed today, they're very heavy. In, they want Bradman Best.
Speaker 3: Well, they can't be, mate, because it's not November 1 yet.
Speaker 2: On November 1, they're very keen.
Speaker 3: Are they just waving a Bradman flag?
Speaker 2: On November 1.
Speaker 4: Brady's waving it for them.
Speaker 2: On November 1, they're in, baby.
Speaker 3: Out of the front of Convink.
Speaker 2: And you know what? Big, big buckaroonies for him. Sorry
Speaker 2: to take you off the subject. You're on Panthers Bulldogs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no. Yeah, Panthers Bulldogs. But we are.
Speaker 1: We're trying to find a home for Blaise Talangi.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think power is a logical one.
Speaker 3: So Ryder Talangi makes his debut this Sunday.
Speaker 2: Is he playing this week?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Australian schoolboy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing.
Speaker 2: He's a big front rower, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: Big bustling front rower.
Speaker 3: Yep. Makes his debut for the Eels.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll give Eels fans plenty to get excited about.
Speaker 3: He's a real talent. Yeah. I just think this halves
Speaker 3: dilemma for the Panthers, finding consistency, no yo.
Speaker 2: You're worried about Penrith, aren't you? Yeah, I am. You've
Speaker 2: been saying that.
Speaker 3: For a few weeks. I'm worried about them and then
Speaker 3: I'm worried about myself saying it because there's so much
Speaker 3: respect for them and there's so much trust in who
Speaker 3: they are and they're number seven.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I can never worry about
Speaker 2: a team that has Nathan Cleary at halfback. The worries,
Speaker 2: every time I think, And I've written Penrith off in
Speaker 2: the past, right?
Speaker 1: Stupidly.
Speaker 2: And they've made me look like an idiot. One of
Speaker 2: many clubs that have made me look like an imbecile.
Speaker 2: But they have made me look stupid. So I'm not
Speaker 2: doing it again.
Speaker 3: Mick, you're a big body language expert guy, right? Dylan Edwards...
Speaker 3: Are we seeing a bit of a shift in Dylan?
Speaker 3: Have you seen this?
Speaker 4: He looks very cranky.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: No, you are. I did.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: I always come to you on the body. I'll be
Speaker 4: watching the game last week. I was like, when did
Speaker 4: he get angry pills?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's in pushing and shoving. Frustration, maybe?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on, but I had... You're right, Dave.
Speaker 4: I have noticed it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Look at you two. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You noticed it, really?
Speaker 2: Not particularly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been in it.
Speaker 3: Well, he got... Did he get sin bin the week
Speaker 3: before against... Was it the Chooks?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: In goal. That was a bit of a push and shove.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was. They got a penalty out of him.
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of.
Speaker 2: Actually, Dan mentioned it. He has been getting engaged, hasn't he?
Speaker 3: It's been surprising.
Speaker 4: Because that's not his demeanour. That's not his history, right?
Speaker 2: I'm a mild-mannered type.
Speaker 4: Want to watch, Reedy?
Speaker 3: So, is this a close game, fellas?
Speaker 2: I'll watch it this week.
Speaker 3: Is this a close game? Or is it... How are
Speaker 3: you seeing it?
Speaker 4: I think Penrith win, but it's close.
Speaker 2: Dogs beat them earlier this year.
Speaker 4: I'll stop it. Here we go.
Speaker 3: So, you think Penrith win this?
Speaker 2: Should I say it again? Yeah. You know Mick and
Speaker 2: I wrote a story with the blueprint. Penrith were unbeaten
Speaker 2: through five weeks or something. Everyone said they wouldn't lose
Speaker 2: a game. Mick and I did a story, spoke to
Speaker 2: some anonymous coaches with the blueprint to beat Penrith. Canterbury
Speaker 2: went out that week, copied our blueprint and beat Penrith.
Speaker 4: Copied our blueprint, he goes.
Speaker 3: Did they put it up on the walls of the
Speaker 3: dressing room?
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 4: I'll take it nice.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 4: Cameron Serato was sitting there.
Speaker 3: Do you remember those days where... Well, that probably still happens.
Speaker 3: No doubt it still happens.
Speaker 1: This time it's a screenshot that are passed around. But
Speaker 1: when coaches would put our articles up inside dressing rooms.
Speaker 4: And now it's our clips when we say dumb shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: In the video sessions. Yeah, a lot of your takes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably some code sports specials on there.
Speaker 2: I think the dogs are a chance in this game,
Speaker 2: don't they?
Speaker 3: Of course they are.
Speaker 2: Massive chance.
Speaker 3: Look, in the context.
Speaker 2: I think Penrith will win. With Mick, I think Penrith
Speaker 2: will win.
Speaker 3: Who needs to win more?
Speaker 2: Probably Penrith, right? Well, actually the dogs need to play.
Speaker 3: Canterbury, excuse me.
Speaker 2: Dogs need to win more.
Speaker 4: Canterbury need to win.
Speaker 2: I don't think the dogs are going to get there regardless.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Reedy, but they need to win. If
Speaker 3: they beat the premiership favourites.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to. I don't think they'll
Speaker 2: get there, Dave. Sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm certainly thinking.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Dave. You don't have to. So with that
Speaker 2: in mind, because I don't think they'll get there anyway,
Speaker 2: I think it's more important for Penrith. Got to finish
Speaker 2: top two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Jeez, I've liked Galvin this year, fellas. You know, he's
Speaker 3: been under the microscope.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're jumping on board.
Speaker 3: I've never bagged him. I haven't bagged him either. I
Speaker 3: think he gets their player of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he probably does. Probably a good shout.
Speaker 3: Who's in the running for the doggies player of the year?
Speaker 3: Satili Tupinua.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's missed a lot of footy, hasn't he?
Speaker 3: Anari Tuwala's had a wonderful season.
Speaker 2: Preston's missed too much footy, probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Galvin gets their player of the year.
Speaker 2: Corral's missed too much footy. Yeah, probably Galvin. That's a
Speaker 2: good shout, though.
Speaker 4: Are you presenting the award?
Speaker 2: If it's to Lachlan, yeah, I'll happily do it.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 2: Great player, man.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Look, I think this will be a tight one as well.
Speaker 1: I lean towards the champions, but only on trust.
Speaker 3: This one's massive. Absolutely massive. The Chooks are spoiling following their...
Speaker 3: I don't even know how they did it. They lost
Speaker 3: to the West Tigers. Rudy's team. Good team, mate. And
Speaker 3: the Finns. If there's a team I'm concerned about, it's
Speaker 3: the Finns. Why? About being genuine premiership contenders.
Speaker 2: Don't have the defensive fortitude.
Speaker 3: That's right. They've been towed up a couple of times
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 2: It's a fair shout.
Speaker 3: Do I love them as a footy team? Absolutely. Great
Speaker 3: to watch. So much strike. But I just feel I'm
Speaker 3: wondering if they have the defensive steel and also the
Speaker 3: maturity at this stage to win the comp.
Speaker 4: I agree. I agree. And that's the... They'll outgun you.
Speaker 4: They'll outpoint you if they get into a game of
Speaker 4: touch footy. But the issue for them is... They just
Speaker 4: got this... Is it a soft underbelly, would you say? Oh,
Speaker 4: it's not really. It's not a soft underbelly.
Speaker 3: No, you can go with that. I think it's experience.
Speaker 2: You can go with that.
Speaker 4: I'm not going with that. Mick, I think it's experience.
Speaker 2: That's one of those clips that'll end up shown to
Speaker 2: the players.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a soft underbelly. You've got a... Mick.
Speaker 4: They've just got this.
Speaker 2: Dolphins have got a soft underbelly.
Speaker 4: They've just got this.
Speaker 3: Jelly blubbers.
Speaker 4: Ability to concede.
Speaker 3: Blubber whales.
Speaker 2: A lot of quick organs.
Speaker 4: You too, blubbering. You're right.
Speaker 2: Um.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's experience, Mick. Go through their roster
Speaker 3: and there's.
Speaker 1: Halves that are going great, but they haven't achieved pressure
Speaker 1: football success.
Speaker 3: Defensively. Yeah, yeah, defensively, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm with Mick. I think they've got some big game players.
Speaker 2: Herbie's a big game player. Well, is Kapusi still running around,
Speaker 2: isn't he? Is he still running around?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's still playing football, mate.
Speaker 2: Tommy Flegler's played Origin. They've got guys who play big games.
Speaker 2: I think it's the, I'm with Mick, I just think
Speaker 2: the defensive steel.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They lack, they need to finish top four and win
Speaker 2: with one of the finals. Because they cannot win four
Speaker 2: games in a row in the finals.
Speaker 3: No way in the world.
Speaker 2: No chance.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2: Not the way they defend. No chance. They've got to
Speaker 2: finish top. This is a huge game for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because if they lose this, they're out in the door
Speaker 2: for Cronulla, right? That's right. Still spot in the top four.
Speaker 4: Got to win.
Speaker 3: No, you're spot on. Massive game. You're spot on.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 3: The other thing with the Chooks is Tedesco. He's just
Speaker 3: so influential. And him being back, we hope, we think,
Speaker 3: just changes the entire dynamic for them.
Speaker 4: Players who love some room in the middle of the field,
Speaker 4: it's James Tedesco, right? So if the Dolphins are a
Speaker 4: little bit loose, loosey-goosey, soft in the middle.
Speaker 1: Chooks still grand finalists or premiership?
Speaker 3: Contenders?
Speaker 4: Pre-season, I said Panthers, Roosters. Does the Tigers' loss change anything? No,
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't jump off now when you said
Speaker 4: it in pre-season. So Panthers, Roosters.
Speaker 2: See, I'm willing to jump off. I think, again, I
Speaker 2: don't think, I think they need to win week one
Speaker 2: of the finals. I don't think they can make it
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 3: They can definitely.
Speaker 2: I'm putting a line through them.
Speaker 4: I think if they.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that. I think they need to
Speaker 2: finish top four and win week one of the finals.
Speaker 3: So at this stage, who are they playing week one?
Speaker 3: Just help me.
Speaker 2: Penrith. 2v3, yeah.
Speaker 3: Penrith. Okay, well, that's better than going to the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, yeah. But I wouldn't want to be.
Speaker 1: So does the team running fourth want to finish fourth
Speaker 1: and go to New Zealand at this stage?
Speaker 2: Probably not. It's a fair question, Dave.
Speaker 3: You can't doctor it, okay?
Speaker 4: You just can't play with it. Warriors, I think Warriors, Panthers,
Speaker 4: Roosters are the clear three best teams.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: I don't think playing against any of them would get
Speaker 4: me excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The Dolphins are the side. In the top four, the
Speaker 4: Dolphins are the side you'd rather play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know very well that there's something about,
Speaker 1: there's something different and something more challenging about going to
Speaker 1: New Zealand.
Speaker 4: It'll be a huge, if the Dolphins finish fourth, who,
Speaker 4: let's see, the latter position would suggest that they're poorer
Speaker 4: of the top four sides, that's a huge task to
Speaker 4: go to the... If I'm the Warriors, I'd love to
Speaker 4: play the Dolphins in New Zealand. That's the prime outcome
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Just before we move on from the Roosters, Spencer Lanier.
Speaker 1: His future is just continually under scrutiny, whether he's there,
Speaker 1: he's not, the Eels.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Dave, very quickly. That makes this game all the
Speaker 2: more important, right? Because the Dolphins can jump to third
Speaker 2: if they win this game. Huge. If they win by...
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the stats now. They win by
Speaker 2: 13 points. They'll go to third.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Dave.
Speaker 3: So I just want to touch on Spencer Lenu. His
Speaker 3: future's always under scrutiny. And whether he's at the Chooks
Speaker 3: or the Parra are coming for him, where are we
Speaker 3: at with him?
Speaker 4: I still get the sense he'll be at the Eels
Speaker 4: next year. I just think now that too close to
Speaker 4: the finals, they'll try and shut it down and not
Speaker 4: have anything sort of spoken about or come out before
Speaker 4: the rest of the season's done. But I still think
Speaker 4: that once his season's done, he will end up there.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm with Mick. I think it'll happen. I
Speaker 2: think it's just gone quiet because the finals are on
Speaker 2: the doorstep.
Speaker 3: Tammy Walker style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah. But yeah, I think once the season's over,
Speaker 2: some movement will take place.
Speaker 3: Who are you tipping here, Mick?
Speaker 2: You know what? I'm going to tip the Dolphins. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fins up, baby.
Speaker 3: Roosters for me. There's a big in here for the
Speaker 3: Waz on Sunday afternoon against the Knights, and it's Tamardi Martin.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's back.
Speaker 1: He's back, which is an important in given their injury
Speaker 1: crisis in.
Speaker 3: The halves that has been largely the entire season.
Speaker 1: A no-dallon with Tenny Zalesniak. I wouldn't underestimate this loss.
Speaker 3: You give him the ball, he scores.
Speaker 4: And he carries out of his own end.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the big one.
Speaker 4: That's the big one, right? Like, he does score. You know,
Speaker 4: he's a great try-scorer, but. Mind it's the work he
Speaker 4: does at the back end of the field that they're
Speaker 4: going to miss a lot.
Speaker 3: So he broke his collarbone.
Speaker 1: He had surgery in Sydney on Monday and flew back
Speaker 1: to Auckland after surgery. He's had a plate inserted. They're
Speaker 1: hoping he'll be back for the finals week one.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a hell of a comeback from
Speaker 3: a broken collarbone. But it's a blow.
Speaker 1: Luke Laulili, the June 30 transfer deadline player, jumps onto
Speaker 1: the wing for the WAS. But the Knights are down
Speaker 1: from troops here. Phoenix Crosland out with a knee injury.
Speaker 4: Smart by them So you get some Who's suspended They've
Speaker 4: got the bye Next week Dom Young And Gags And
Speaker 4: sorry Frizz Frizzel yeah Gagai's back He missed last week
Speaker 4: Gagai's back Frizzel Yeah but smart from the Knights To
Speaker 4: get Crossland He's got They've got the bye next week
Speaker 4: So get that niece Repaired And then into Week one
Speaker 4: Have him firing For week one of the finals Phoenix
Speaker 4: Because he's such an Important player there Yeah Don't smell
Speaker 4: an upset I can't see it.
Speaker 2: Nah I can't see it Unless KP goes nuts Yeah
Speaker 2: Which could happen He's a Kiwi now, remember?
Speaker 4: He's always been a Kiwi.
Speaker 2: He's going home.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Well, you know.
Speaker 3: He's a Kiwi now.
Speaker 2: He was committed to Australia, I mean. Now he's committed
Speaker 2: to the Kiwis.
Speaker 4: Was he really committed to Australia?
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 4: Well, he wasn't committed to Australia. But no, I think
Speaker 4: the Warriors.
Speaker 2: KP. But if KP has a monster game, they can
Speaker 2: win it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's that good.
Speaker 3: Bradman's playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good player too.
Speaker 3: Warriors have some issues on their edges.
Speaker 4: That's that. That's. Well, we keep banging on about it.
Speaker 4: That's the one deficiency for mine is around that edge
Speaker 4: spot for the Warriors. And that's when you sit there
Speaker 4: and you break down the weakness, that's the only error
Speaker 4: I can see in their game.
Speaker 3: I'm tipping the wires. I just can't see anything different.
Speaker 3: They're back home. This is extraordinary. They may now not
Speaker 3: leave home until grand final day.
Speaker 2: Not bad, eh?
Speaker 4: It's pretty handy.
Speaker 2: It'd be hard to toss.
Speaker 3: Mount Smart or Eden Park? Where should they play finals?
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be having this debate in August, right? We
Speaker 4: should know in the pre-season what's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4: Because we do it every... You can't change it now, right?
Speaker 4: You should know.
Speaker 3: You know why they do it? Because they want to
Speaker 3: see what teams match up with who. And I'm coming
Speaker 3: to Cronulla on this. If the Sharks draw the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The NRL give Cronulla some wiggle room of potentially staying
Speaker 3: at Shark Park because they know they won't get a
Speaker 3: massive crowd account.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't happen.
Speaker 4: No, no, I understand Dave's point. I know Dave's point.
Speaker 3: I'm explaining what they do.
Speaker 2: What does Shark Park hold again? Tell me how many
Speaker 2: it holds.
Speaker 4: 13 and a half now at the moment, 14.
Speaker 3: Yeah, 14.
Speaker 2: So they haven't got, that caps their support, 13 and
Speaker 2: a half thousand, does it? 14, 15. That's all the
Speaker 2: supporters they've got. They don't have any more than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, then you should take it to Allianz. So
Speaker 2: those supporters can go to the game as well. It's
Speaker 2: a finals game. It's embarrassing that we play at that.
Speaker 2: And again, I said it the other day, I'm not
Speaker 2: having a go at Cronulla here because they should have
Speaker 2: funding to fix that ground up, right? The government should
Speaker 2: give them the funding to fix the ground up. But
Speaker 2: until that happens, do not play finals there.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm with Mick.
Speaker 2: And the Warriors shouldn't play at Mount Smart. It should
Speaker 2: be Eden Park. You're going to lock out 20,000 people.
Speaker 4: They should play the prelim at Eden Park.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 2: Every final at Eden Park.
Speaker 4: The prelim should definitely be at Eden Park.
Speaker 2: Every game.
Speaker 4: I think it's a non-negotiable. Every final. We've seen that here, right?
Speaker 4: The Sharks make a prelim. They're not playing at Shark Park.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: No one's playing at Brookie. So we've seen big games
Speaker 4: in Sydney for prelims have been moved to either the
Speaker 4: SFS or.
Speaker 3: For the record, 50,000 people can get into Eden and 20,000.
Speaker 4: For the prelim, it has to happen. It's a non-negotiable.
Speaker 2: So Dave, you think- If Cronulla play North Queensland in
Speaker 2: a final, an elimination final at Allianz Stadium.
Speaker 4: They won't get more than 20,000.
Speaker 2: They won't get more than 13,000 people.
Speaker 3: 15 is what I consistently keep saying.
Speaker 2: 15.
Speaker 3: They may get 1,000 over.
Speaker 2: You don't think they can get 20,000 people that game?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: That's embarrassing.
Speaker 4: Thoughts, Reedy?
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing. Where are their fans?
Speaker 4: In the Shire.
Speaker 3: It's a 25,000 seat stadium at Mount Smart. I just
Speaker 3: want to put that on there.
Speaker 2: Where are the Sharks fans, Dave? Where are they? Why
Speaker 2: aren't they driving to our house?
Speaker 3: I don't know the spread of Sharks fans, to be honest.
Speaker 4: Well, I do.
Speaker 2: Shire.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: There's more than 20,000 people in the.
Speaker 4: Shire, isn't there? Everyone that's moved from the Shire to
Speaker 4: the Gold Coast.
Speaker 2: There's more than 20,000 people in the Shire, isn't there?
Speaker 2: I don't know the Shire. I live on the other side.
Speaker 3: Mate, I'm only going on historical records. I'm going to
Speaker 3: bring it.
Speaker 1: I'll have the crowd figures for everyone next week because
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about it next week.
Speaker 3: I'll have them.
Speaker 1: And I'll show you the crowd figures you get at
Speaker 1: Allianz when Sharks play teams interstate. And I'll give you
Speaker 1: the Manly crowds as well because Manly.
Speaker 3: Are a very similar club.
Speaker 4: I don't mind.
Speaker 3: They're a passionate community club.
Speaker 2: It's a better stadium though, Dave.
Speaker 3: You're not going to get an argument there.
Speaker 4: I don't mind week one playing there, but prelim, no chance.
Speaker 3: No way.
Speaker 4: Week two, prelim, no chance. And the same with the Warriors.
Speaker 4: The Warriors should play their prelim at Eden Park.
Speaker 3: Well, Rudy reckons week one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What about you, Dave? No, not week one. You know what?
Speaker 2: Week one, I'll cut the Warriors some slack here. I
Speaker 2: can live with week one at Mount Smart. I don't
Speaker 2: think it should be, but I can live with it.
Speaker 2: Because it holds 25, Dave. That's a decent crowd. But,
Speaker 2: I mean, Mick's right. The prelim, there's no way that
Speaker 2: should be anywhere other than Eden Park. The Sharks, $ 13, 500.
Speaker 2: Give me a break.
Speaker 3: Tipping the wars? Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wars.
Speaker 4: Up the wars.
Speaker 1: Love this part of the week. It's the BS messages
Speaker 1: of the week. With those soft calls, those dodgy reviews,
Speaker 1: the buy-arounds nobody wanted.
Speaker 3: It's time to call it out, Mick. Read, man. I
Speaker 3: call BS. I'm just going to come straight. I know
Speaker 3: you've got a hundred of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a few.
Speaker 3: What about the mailbag this week?
Speaker 2: It's overflowing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: James from Sydney. Thanks, Jimmy from Sydney. Big place, Sydney.
Speaker 3: The season is too long. We know who the best
Speaker 3: teams are. Let's just start the finals. Oh, geez.
Speaker 2: No chance, Dogs fans.
Speaker 3: Dragons.
Speaker 2: You're out.
Speaker 3: Sorry. Don't bother going on the footy. Eels, all over.
Speaker 2: I'm calling BS on that.
Speaker 3: I actually don't know who's in the finals, Jim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's BS from him. Jim, sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's BS, James. Read me.
Speaker 2: I did a bit of a shout out. Dave, I've
Speaker 2: got some questions more than I call BS's. A bit
Speaker 2: of a mixed bag. Daniel Watson Hayes. Love Daniel. He's
Speaker 2: a mad Storm fan. Great man. Always messages me. He's
Speaker 2: asked for the Storm chasing any middle forwards. Heard anything?
Speaker 2: Anything on the grapevine? Because they've lost Tui Kamikami.
Speaker 3: All I know is that they've got some work to
Speaker 3: do to keep Stefano.
Speaker 2: Well, I think those talks have sort of kicked off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they've got some work to do, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's integral for them. I think they are in
Speaker 2: the market for a middle forward if they can find one.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure they've got a gazillion dollars to spend
Speaker 2: because they've got to see what happens with Ali Katoa, right?
Speaker 2: They've used a bit of money on Bronson Cherry and
Speaker 2: Romano Sarko. But they're definitely in the market for a
Speaker 2: middle forward, as I understand it. Okay, Michael Johnston. How
Speaker 2: can the NRL... We just debated this, Michael. How can
Speaker 2: the NRL force the Warriors to play at Eden Park?
Speaker 2: We just talked about that.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 3: How can the NRL force them? Yeah. So clearly, Michael
Speaker 3: doesn't think they should be forced.
Speaker 4: I don't think they should be forced in week one either.
Speaker 3: No. I think we all agree that.
Speaker 4: What about prelim day?
Speaker 3: You earn that home ground advantage by what you've achieved
Speaker 3: through the season.
Speaker 4: Where are you at in terms of prelim?
Speaker 3: Uh... Yeah, Eden Park.
Speaker 4: Because that would happen in Sydney. You can't play. You
Speaker 4: don't play there. No, that's right. So they take it
Speaker 4: to a bigger venue.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: However, Melbourne Storm get to play at Amy.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys get to play at.
Speaker 4: They do.
Speaker 3: What's that joint called?
Speaker 4: Country Bank.
Speaker 3: Country Bank Stadium.
Speaker 2: But they're good stadiums. Great stadiums. Anyway, Socrates Miles has asked,
Speaker 2: can the bunker add, you know in soccer they've got
Speaker 2: a VAR line to tell offside? Yeah. He's asked, can
Speaker 2: the bunker out of VAR line for deciding on offside
Speaker 2: of kicks? What do you think? You know the VAR line?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Does soccer have the running camera on the train running
Speaker 3: up and down the sideline?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Because that's the catch.
Speaker 4: You're asking the wrong person.
Speaker 3: No, ultimately, one of the.
Speaker 1: Reasons why, well, the reason why we can't call forward
Speaker 1: passes and offsides.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we do call it offside, though.
Speaker 3: Sorry, forward passes is where I'm going.
Speaker 1: We only have a corner post camera, a corner camera,
Speaker 1: a halfway camera, and another tri-line camera.
Speaker 2: This is purely on offside, though. This isn't about forward passes.
Speaker 3: So you need a camera in line with it, like
Speaker 3: the world record line in swimming. You need a camera
Speaker 3: in line with the.
Speaker 2: No, they use, I think in soccer, they freeze the
Speaker 2: game and.
Speaker 3: Draw a line on the video. Oh, yeah, they twist
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: And, yeah, you see, like, an arm. So there's a shadow,
Speaker 2: and then there's an arm sticking out of itself. Offside.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad idea from Socrates. And
Speaker 2: then the final question, or this is an interesting one.
Speaker 2: I can't read who it's from.
Speaker 4: I can't read who it's from.
Speaker 2: But they've asked, what about Wayne Bennett back to Red
Speaker 2: Hill in 2028? What do you think about that idea?
Speaker 2: He hasn't announced his extension with Souths yet.
Speaker 3: I don't not like it. Yeah. I wrote that column
Speaker 3: this week about him. Lack of Broncos DNA they've got.
Speaker 4: Just keep going back to the well.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4: Like Queensland will.
Speaker 2: I mean, the great issue there is I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how close Wayne is to.
Speaker 3: The hierarchy up there. No, that's an issue.
Speaker 2: But I don't mind that idea.
Speaker 3: It'll always be there, right, that question?
Speaker 2: I think he's going to extend it south, so that's
Speaker 2: the issue.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks for your questions. Keep them coming next week.