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Speaker 1: I hope you bloody terrific, Tiffany, and Cook is not

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Speaker 1: edit a way, tiff And I hope you will. But

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bill, thank god, it could really be a Doctor

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Speaker 1: Bill episode without Doctor Bill, although these days that is

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Speaker 1: becoming increasingly possible. But as best I can tell, the

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Speaker 1: real version is here, mate, how are you? I'm great?

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Speaker 2: And yes I can verify this as the real version

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Speaker 2: of Doctor Bill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what, how would you know if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't? Though I know, I know it's it's becoming scary.

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Speaker 1: We have a guy on a once a fortnight called Patrick,

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Speaker 1: and he's like our tech guy. We just talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's very light, it's fun, and it's all things tech,

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Speaker 1: of which I am. You know, I'm a dinosaur, so

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Speaker 1: I don't really I'm probably better than the average sixty

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Speaker 1: understanding of all things tech. But one episode we did,

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Speaker 1: we just started just like this bill, And he said,

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Speaker 1: how come I never get to host the show? How

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Speaker 1: come I never get to And he used to work

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Speaker 1: to host today? I didn't know any of this was coming.

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Speaker 1: So he opened the show and he asked me a

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Speaker 1: he'd recorded using my voice, right looks yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: he deep faked my voice. Now if you if we

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Speaker 1: didn't tell you, you wouldn't know. So he did about

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Speaker 1: the first four minutes of the show on his own,

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Speaker 1: just asking these questions and then answering the and the

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Speaker 1: most ridiculous and inappropriate answers that made me look terrible.

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Speaker 1: Of course he did, but it was using it was

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that is apart from the fact that

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Speaker 1: Way it's way better now. Yeah. Yeah, I actually have

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Speaker 1: it sounds like me. It's actually AI. Yeah, it's it's pretty.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's getting close to you know, indistinguishable, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really worrisome because in the wrong hands, you

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Speaker 2: can make or break somebody's life. With those sorts of stories,

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Speaker 2: you know, one, it's going to become even more difficult

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, one of the scams that they run,

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Speaker 1: scams is kids, Like people get a hold of their

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Speaker 1: and it's their voice and it's they're calling their parents.

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Speaker 1: please send me this. I'll call and explain later. But

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Speaker 1: And it is their child's voice, and they are traveling,

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Speaker 2: And it certainly is. That code word idea is a

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Speaker 1: In the worst wheeze, Yeah, definitely nefarius. We don't hear

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Speaker 1: that word enough, all right, so you wrote or you

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Speaker 1: were involved in a couple of articles that got quite

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Speaker 1: fluoride in drinking water, and one of them was about

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Speaker 1: we're going to start with the fluoride one. So the

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Speaker 1: title of the fluoride article was, yes, fluoride in your

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Speaker 1: drinking water is a good thing. And there's been I'll

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Speaker 1: been a bit of conjecture and debate about this, and

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Speaker 1: I think RFK Robert Kennedy Junior, has been an advocate

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Speaker 1: few people who are saying, obviously it's not the moment

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Speaker 1: the majority, it's a minority, but that fluoride in the

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Speaker 2: Know, right, So I did not expect twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: is in my mind, just absolutely insane. But he is

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Speaker 2: a proponent of a lot of very controversial and dangerous

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Speaker 2: same thing, because almost one hundred years ago, it was

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Speaker 2: So a correlation was made, and then we had literally

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Speaker 2: one hundred years of stuff buddies that link fluoride to

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Speaker 2: strike you dental problems. Fluoride works in two ways.

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Speaker 2: Part, it's a natural part of the enamel of the teeth,

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Speaker 2: is it's an antimicrobial agent, which means it'll kill bacteria.

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Speaker 2: Bacteria like to accumulate on our teeth. They formed this biofilm,

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Speaker 2: So you got this nice one two punch that fluoride

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Speaker 2: and time again. And the most convincing part of this

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Speaker 2: craig is that, you know, it's been controversial ever since

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Speaker 2: saying that this is not natural, which is bogus. It

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Speaker 2: is natural. Fluoride is natural out in the environment. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you can ingest too much of it. You can ingest

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Speaker 1: Of anything, okay.

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Speaker 2: You can ingest too much water alone, and if you

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Speaker 2: do so too quickly, water will kill you.

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Speaker 2: So it's all about the dose, and the dose that

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Speaker 2: below any toxicity level that's been associated with the many

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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about a mouse study where you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this is a pot of science, and you'll

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not advocating one way or the other. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably in the let's keep Florrida in the water

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Speaker 1: not all science is necessarily science. You know, I know

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Speaker 2: And I look at it from a professional standpoint as preliminary.

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Speaker 2: done in cultured cells, they may be done in rodent models,

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Speaker 2: to do. So you have to compare it to what

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Speaker 2: we like to use in the sciences. Is something called

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Speaker 2: a meta analysis, and you may have heard of these,

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Speaker 2: they're used quite commonly now, which is a study of studies.

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Speaker 2: All right, So you compile a whole bunch of studies

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Speaker 2: that RFK junior sites will be included in this study.

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Speaker 2: And what happens at the end of the day is

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Speaker 2: they are dwarfed. These negative effects are dwarfed by the

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Speaker 2: mountains of evidence that say fluoride is perfectly safe. In fact,

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Speaker 1: not the best thought or idea. But I think that

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Speaker 1: all we can do is ask good questions and pay

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Speaker 1: attention to we know versus what we think?

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Speaker 2: You know?

436
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Speaker 1: What is is what is the evidence and what does

437
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Speaker 1: that mean? But I think one of the challenges quite

438
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Speaker 1: often with stuff is that you know, like even with

439
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Speaker 1: one of the studies that I ran that I conducted

440
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Speaker 1: with my own research, I didn't get it didn't confirm

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Speaker 1: my hypothesis right, It didn't with some of it like

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Speaker 1: there were there were results that and it didn't matter

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Speaker 1: because it is it is what it is. But I

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Speaker 1: and in the middle of that, I thought, oh, no,

445
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Speaker 1: wonder people can It would be really quite easy to

446
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Speaker 1: manipulate this to create an outcome that would suit me better, right,

447
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Speaker 1: But it didn't with one of them. It just didn't.

448
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that that being able to For me, it's

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Speaker 1: a blessing to be able to. I mean, if not

450
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Speaker 1: for this, I wouldn't even know you. I wouldn't have

451
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Speaker 1: the pleasure of doing this. And I'm not being disingenuous.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it's just fucking great because I

453
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Speaker 1: learned so much. But also I also like and I'm

454
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Speaker 1: not trying to do a sales pitch on you or

455
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Speaker 1: me or the show, but I love I love the

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Speaker 1: fact that you and I talked for five minutes before

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Speaker 1: we start recording, and it's exactly the same as when

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Speaker 1: we're recording, right, So you and me, like, there's no interview,

459
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Speaker 1: there's just two blokes talking about stuff that both of

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Speaker 1: us think. He's pretty interesting. And for me, that's the

461
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Speaker 1: that's the value of trying to do something like this

462
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Speaker 1: this way. I was going to say to you back

463
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Speaker 1: to just quickly the you know, the importance of people

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Speaker 1: having access to water that's not going to kill them.

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Speaker 1: So there's a guy you're probably not a fan of

466
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Speaker 1: the UFC, but there's a guy who was in the

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Speaker 1: UFC for a long time. He's actually a big sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: His name's Justin Wren. And speaking of Joe Rogan, he's

469
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Speaker 1: been on Joe Rogan a bunch, and he went on

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Speaker 1: a he went on a trip to Uganda, and I

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Speaker 1: think he was I can't remember the motivation for him going,

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Speaker 1: but when he was there, he had a bit of

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Speaker 1: an epiphany and a spiritual revolution or awakening or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And he met all of these literally pygmies who live

475
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Speaker 1: in Uganda, who live in these the worst, harshest, harshest conditions.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have access to clean drinking water. They were

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Speaker 1: treated terribly by the government and a lot of the population. Anyway,

478
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Speaker 1: he fell in love with them, and I think probably

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Speaker 1: for the best part of the last ten years, even

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Speaker 1: when he was still fighting. He has created all these

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Speaker 1: programs around medical and health care and education. But one

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Speaker 1: of the things that he's done is they've created thousands

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Speaker 1: of clean wells. Obviously still not with fluoride, but so

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Speaker 1: many of the people were dying, like dying quickly from

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Speaker 1: water born. I guess is the term diseases like things

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Speaker 1: that were in the war, they like they never had

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Speaker 1: access to clean water ever, right, And yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: that's a phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: Such a simple thing can make such a huge difference

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Speaker 2: in some of these nations, their entire you know GNP,

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Speaker 2: their gross national product, goes into treating people for dysentery

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Speaker 2: and diarrheal diseases, things that you never hear about over

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Speaker 2: here but do exist.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah malaria as well, and if we resort to drinking

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Speaker 2: raw water, we would be suffering from some of the

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Speaker 2: same maladies that these people deal with on a day

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Speaker 2: to day basis. Child mortality is through the roof in

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Speaker 2: many of these nations. It's heartbreaking to see, Craig, So

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Speaker 2: I'm really glad to hear of stories like that. They're

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Speaker 2: they're very inspirational, and this is a very cheap and

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Speaker 2: humane thing to do. Just give people clean drinking water.

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Speaker 2: It can make it conceive lives.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking before when I read the article about fluoride.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just going to give you the

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Speaker 1: names of those articles. Everybody, it's yes, fluoride in your

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Speaker 1: drinking water is a good thing. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: people want to go. If they want to go look

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Speaker 1: at it. They're at my website althor Bill Sullivan dot com.

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Speaker 1: You'll find links to both these articles there, and they're

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Speaker 1: really good. They're really good. They're a good read. So

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Speaker 1: and you might read it and say, I'd like someone

513
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Speaker 1: else to read this, so you know, have to read yourself.

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Speaker 1: Go to doctor Bill's site, and then refer it on

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Speaker 1: if you think it's appropriate. I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: because they started I think they introduced fluoride into the

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Speaker 1: water in some parts of the States in the nineteen forties.

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Speaker 1: This is a weird question, and I bet you've know

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Speaker 1: they may have thought of it. I doubt it, but

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Speaker 1: it addresses one particular health issue, oral hygiene, you know

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Speaker 1: all of that. Is there something else potentially that I

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Speaker 1: know people are like, fuck off, don't put anything in

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Speaker 1: our water. But why did they target that one thing?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Is there are there any other let's put vitamin C

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Speaker 1: in the water? I mean, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I wonder is there is there any other mineral that

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Speaker 1: could be added? That would be, you know, a preventative

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Speaker 1: strategy for some kind of health condition or like I

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Speaker 1: wonder why it started and ended with fluoride, and I wonder, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there's any bigger potential beyond that.

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Speaker 2: Well, fluoride's a unique case because about one hundred years ago,

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Speaker 2: like I said, correlations were being made in the areas

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Speaker 2: that have high natural fluoride in the environment. The tooth

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Speaker 2: problems that we were seeing in other parts of the

536
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Speaker 2: country were just non existent. So someone just got the

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Speaker 2: bright idea, well, hey, let's just put a little fluoride

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Speaker 2: in everybody's water and everyone can enjoy this benefit. So

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Speaker 2: that's that's the unique story behind fluoride.

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Speaker 1: But as to your.

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Speaker 2: Other point, what about other minerals? You know, people need calcium, magnesium, sodium.

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Speaker 1: You know those are in tapwater. Though.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the things that the raw water

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Speaker 2: movement gets wrong. They vilify tapwater, saying that the purification

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Speaker 2: process strips healthy minerals out of the water, and that's

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Speaker 2: just not true at all. Minerals are way too small

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Speaker 2: to be filtered out. They're in your water whether you

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Speaker 2: like it or not, and the mineral content does vary

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Speaker 2: across the country because there's different types of rocks all

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Speaker 2: around the country. So if you want to have more consistency,

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Speaker 2: or if you think your water is lacking in mineral

552
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Speaker 2: content for some reason, there are tests you can buy.

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Speaker 2: You can find out exactly what types of minerals are

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Speaker 2: or are not in your water. And if you find

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Speaker 2: any that are lacking, there's even mineral drops you can

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Speaker 2: add to your water to supplement it with minerals. I

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Speaker 2: don't recommend that because water in and of itself is

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Speaker 2: not a great source of minerals. Okay, you get most

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Speaker 2: of them your diet. I would not obsess over Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, my my water probably doesn't have as much

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Speaker 2: magnesium as someone else's.

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Speaker 1: You're fine.

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Speaker 2: Just you're going to get most of your magnesium from

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Speaker 2: your diet. It's not something you need to worry about.

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Speaker 2: But this is one of those things that the raw

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Speaker 2: water people latch onto to try to demonize tap water.

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Speaker 2: So they're they're spreading a lot of misinformation and and

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Speaker 2: and just plane you know, I don't know if they're

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Speaker 2: purposefully lying or if they're misguided or what, but it's

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Speaker 2: just not true that minerals are stripped out of your

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Speaker 2: tap water.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong on this, but I think I

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Speaker 1: think I mentioned in something relating Tarif Kain in the article,

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Speaker 1: but also in this Joe Rogan conversation that that that

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Speaker 1: fluoride had a detrimental impact on IQ or brain function. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about that. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's what what is? Because that also scared the shit

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Speaker 1: out of me. Then I forgot about it because I'm there,

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Speaker 1: you go, because I'm a low brain function judo fluoride. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you must be ingesting too much of it, and so

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Speaker 1: tell us about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the i Q thing is really interesting and and

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Speaker 2: it certainly is one of the talking points that RFK jr.

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Speaker 2: And the anti fluoride people uh harp on a lot.

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Speaker 2: And that's There was one study that was done in Canada,

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Speaker 2: which puts more fluoride into the water than we do,

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Speaker 2: and it was a very small study, and it showed

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Speaker 2: that pregnant mothers who had more than the usual amount

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Speaker 2: of fluoride, when they did a longitudinal analysis and looked

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Speaker 2: at their children growing up, they had a minor drop

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Speaker 2: in IQ. Three IQ points was the max. And I

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Speaker 2: think it was only seen in girls for some reason

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Speaker 2: that wasn't seen in boys, but don't quote me on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure about the ins and outs of

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Speaker 2: the studies. It's been a little while since I looked

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Speaker 2: at it, but the difference was extremely modest. The fluoride

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Speaker 2: level is not comparable to what we use in the

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Speaker 2: United States, and studies like this are fraught with confounding variables.

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Speaker 2: And by that I mean there could be many other

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Speaker 2: explanations why these children appeared to show a minor drop

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Speaker 2: in IQ. So how do we get around those confounding variables. Well,

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Speaker 2: we need other groups to repeat those sorts of studies.

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Speaker 2: I would view that IQ study Craig like I classified

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Speaker 2: it earlier, as a preliminary study. Okay, it's a small study.

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Speaker 2: This is a potentially interesting result. It warrants further investigation.

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Speaker 2: It certainly does not warrant panic about the fluoride in

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Speaker 2: the water at this point. Okay. So another study just

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Speaker 2: came out last week, another IQ study. I think it

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Speaker 2: was inspired by this preliminary study.

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Speaker 1: It was a little.

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Speaker 2: Larger and it showed again a very modest effect, but

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Speaker 2: only in places that are using way too much fluoride.

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Speaker 2: So the headline screamed, once again, much to my chagrin,

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Speaker 2: fluoride lower's IQ. What the headline should have said is

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Speaker 2: that the amount of fluoride that we use in our

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Speaker 2: tapwater has no effect on IQ, because that's what the

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Speaker 2: study showed. When people ingest the levels of fluoride that

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Speaker 2: we use in tapwater, there was absolutely no association with

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Speaker 2: higher or lower IQ.

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Speaker 1: Wow wow, and these are these are that's that's not sorry,

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Speaker 1: that's not going to sell papers or get bums on

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Speaker 1: seats or get attention, is it. Well?

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Speaker 2: The authors of the paper even said that, and and

624
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Speaker 2: they must be really frustrated with how the news agencies

625
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Speaker 2: frame their research. And this happens to scientists all the

626
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: time because, like you said, in order to get clicks,

627
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: in order to get people's attention, you need to make

628
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Speaker 2: it scary, you need to make it emotional. And if

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Speaker 2: you put out a study that says there's no there's

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Speaker 2: no change in IQ. The study was a bust. What

631
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Speaker 2: we what we did learn is we can't put too

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Speaker 2: much fluoride in the water and we don't.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, now my listeners are probably thinking how much

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Speaker 1: fluoride is in our order? So I've been doing a

635
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Speaker 1: little bit of research while also listening. That's how fucking

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Speaker 1: well my brain works because of the fluorid I have.

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Speaker 1: So so the recommendation in this article, doc was point

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Speaker 1: seven milligram per leader of drinking water.

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00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that's what we're using the stats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me just tell you everyone, and we

641
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Speaker 3: should also say while you brought that up, that most

642
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Speaker 3: natural levels of fluoride out in the environment exceed that amount.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Wow, but this is the lowest amount that scientists have

645
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Speaker 2: found that is absolutely safe, but still confers a dramatic

646
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: benefit on dental health.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so in Melbourne where well here we go Australian

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00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: states and territories, very there, very within the range of

649
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: point six. So remember doctor Bill said point seven in

650
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the states, point six to one point one, So of

651
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: fluoride per leader, the milligrams per leader, so milligrams per lead,

652
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: and I think Melbourne it's I just found something that

653
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: said Melbourne is less than one milligram per la. So

654
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: it's in the ballpark, so I've done. Yeah, they sound comparable. Yeah,

655
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't think weed to panic.

656
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell your listeners that if you are

657
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: ingesting too much fluoride. You will know because your teeth

658
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: will start to become discolored. Like I said, the fluoride

659
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: literally binds to your enamel. It's one of the chemical

660
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: constituents that makes it strong. But you will see if

661
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 2: you have excess fluoride a little discoloration in your teeth.

662
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: There's some studies that suggest that's actually healthy because it

663
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: helps build even tougher enamel.

664
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: But to me, it's an easy.

665
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: Way to alert people that there's too much fluoride in

666
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: your environment. So if your teeth aren't being you know,

667
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: it's called fluoridosis. If you don't have symptoms of this,

668
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: people can google it and see what it looks like online. Okay,

669
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: and if your teeth start looking like that, you should

670
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: tell the authorities. Hey, there might be too much fluoride

671
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: in my water.

672
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: People. I'm just wondering, can people test their own tapwater

673
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: at home? Like I'm guessing there must be a test

674
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: that you could see how much fluoride is in what's

675
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: coming out of your tap. Not that I think we

676
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: need to do this or worry about this everyone. This

677
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: is just a curiosity.

678
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: No, there's there's certainly there's tests for all the minerals

679
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: in your water, you can like buy I don't know

680
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: the name of it, but you can. I saw one

681
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: test that tested for multiple minerals all in one shot. Yeah,

682
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: and for people who there's a lot of homes at

683
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 2: least in the US, where they filter the tap water

684
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: that comes to their home.

685
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: Yep.

686
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 2: So if you do that, you actually remove the vast

687
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: majority of the fluoride along with all the other minerals,

688
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: because those depending on what sort of filtration device you

689
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: use in your house. Wow, that could strip the minerals

690
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: out of the tap water. Tap water itself has minerals.

691
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: But if you do like reverse osmosis in your home

692
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: because you don't like to taste the tap water or

693
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: something like that, that can strip some of the minerals out.

694
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, if you're paranoid about that, which

695
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be. There are people who take advantage of

696
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: this and sell mineral drops. You know, they scare people

697
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: in this saying, oh, your water is now depleted of minerals.

698
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: You should buy my drops and add them back. You

699
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: can do that if you want. Professionally, I'm telling you

700
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: it's not necessary. You get all the minerals you need

701
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: from your diet.

702
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the I should know more

703
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: about the rationale behind what I'm about to say, but

704
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't. But a friend of mine who will remain nameless,

705
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: it's a hey, he he is really really what's toward

706
00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: Let's just go strict concerned about his water and I

707
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: think he filters it three different ways like he would

708
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: He will never drink out of a tap, right, And

709
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much, But is that

710
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: just for taste reasons or no? No, No, it's a

711
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: health thing. No, it's not about taste at all. It's

712
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't because he thinks. And really I haven't gone

713
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: into it with him, and maybe I should just out

714
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: of curiosity not judgment. But yeah, and he's he really

715
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: worries quite a bit about the water that he'd like

716
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: a lot, the water that he drinks.

717
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: Well, there are some valid reasons for a concern. You know,

718
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: there's been a few incidences in the United States where

719
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: tap water was found to contain a nasty chemical, you know,

720
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: from an industrial complex that was nearby. We had the

721
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: whole Flint, Michigan lead crisis. That wasn't a water purification issue, say,

722
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: but that was bad pipes that they shifted to running

723
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: it through, and it was just a political failure more

724
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: than anything else. Yes, But those are those are the

725
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: exceptions to the rule, Okay. And so I can understand

726
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: your friend's concern about tap water and wanting to be

727
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: extra cautious and filtering it. I myself would probably err

728
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: more on the side of caution than doing something like

729
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: raw water. You know, you got these two ends of

730
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: the spectrum here. Being a little more conservative about the

731
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: content of your water is I think a little more

732
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: health conscious. Maybe you're going overboard, but you know, better

733
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: safe than sorry in some in some cases. But the

734
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: thing is that you know he's doing this extra filtration.

735
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: He's probably doing it because of some of the stories

736
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: that have been linking tap water to an occasional breach

737
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: of either a pathogen or an industrial pollutant or something

738
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: like lead. Again, those are rare cases. I don't lose

739
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: sleep over them, but they have happened, and they are real.

740
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: The other thing that people should keep in mind to

741
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: balance this out, is that at least in the States,

742
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: our EPA screens for nearly one hundred chemical contaminants, including

743
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: lead in the tapwater and they routinely do this, so

744
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: if something comes up, they're going to alert the public

745
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: not to drink their tapwater to the situation gets resolved.

746
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: So we have these health checks in place. Australia probably

747
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: has a very similar system. And just this year, the

748
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: Biden administration included another component that the EPA needs to

749
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: start screening for, and that's the pfas, one of these

750
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: forever chemicals, and I was thrilled to read that. That's

751
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: a fantastic addition that the EPA should be screening our

752
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: tapwater for.

753
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the right question, but

754
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: what are the most common microbial contaminants? Is that the

755
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: right word that we might that might show up in

756
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: raw water.

757
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: Raw water is filled with a myriad of different pathogens

758
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: that you could potentially acquire, and mostly all of them

759
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: are going to give you the nastiest stomach infection you've

760
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: ever had in your life. So I'll break them down

761
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: into the different types. The main viruses you can get

762
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: from raw water would include neurovirus, the one that's famous

763
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: on cruise ships. You know that rips through cruise ships

764
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: and forces them to dock early. But neurovirus is found

765
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 2: pretty much anywhere and rotavirus. Now, both of them will

766
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: give you nasty, short lived diarrheal infections and they spread

767
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: like wildfire. So this is one of the underappreciated things

768
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: about drinking. People who drink raw water, they might think, oh, well,

769
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: i'll get sick, I'll deal with it. While you're sick,

770
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: you can commune that disease to another innocent person. And

771
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: that's what gets me a little angry. This is a

772
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: public health thing. You're being very selfish, you're that kind

773
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: of mentality, you know. But another virus can be in

774
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: the water that causes hepatitis A, and nobody wants a

775
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: liver infection. The bacteria would be fecal bacteria lovely to

776
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: talk about, right e coli sound mella. This means that

777
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: somewhere along the way, literally shit got into the water

778
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: and that's what you're drinking. And this can be human shit,

779
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 2: it can be from animals. It's just disgusting.

780
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Why would you want to do this.

781
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: Tap water screens those pathogens out, kills them with chlorine.

782
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: So those are the bacterial infections, and then we get

783
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: into my favorite Craig parasites. Okay, we have cryptosporidium, We

784
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: have cyclospora, we have toxoplasma, which we've talked about on

785
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: your show a number of times.

786
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: We have Can you get that through cats as well? Cats? Rain?

787
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: That's right, well, not cat, we just catsis ca seces

788
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: comes out in their feces. So with a lot of

789
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: feral cats roaming around some of these natural sources of water,

790
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: you know the cat shit's going to get into the

791
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: water at some point. And a storm can make this

792
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: even worse because it makes all the shit in the

793
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: soil run into the water. Okay, and then you get

794
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: all these bacteria, all these parasites, all these viruses. Like

795
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: I said in the article, it's aquatic Russian rule at

796
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: and you don't really know which one of these you

797
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: ingested that upsets your stomach. But some of these, you know,

798
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: a lot of these people will say, okay, well I'll

799
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: get I'll get the runs for a few days and

800
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: then I'll get better. One you can spread that to

801
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 2: other innocent people. If you're very young or very old,

802
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 2: or compromise, these things can literally kill you. And that's

803
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: not only in the drinkers of the raw water, but

804
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: the people you might spread it to. So This is

805
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: just an inconceivably stupid thing to do. And like I

806
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: said before, it's just kind of slap in the face

807
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: to the nations who don't enjoy the privilege of having

808
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: safe water to drink on a daily basis.

809
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, a lot of animals must have

810
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: a very robust, bloody constitution. Because some think about where

811
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: most animals drink from and what they drink and what

812
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: they would be ingesting.

813
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's a couple. There's a couple. That's a

814
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: good point. There's a couple things to consider when you

815
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: raise that issue. First of all, wild animals are riddled

816
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: with parasites. Okay, many of them die from these parasites.

817
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: How many of them are sick because of it. So

818
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: it's interesting to contemplate that, you know, wildlife must be okay, right, No,

819
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: they're not. You go out there and pick up a

820
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: random squirrel, beaver, you cut it open, you're going to

821
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: find plenty of parasites, and that animal may live a

822
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: very short life. You know, you're not doing a study

823
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: on its quality of life. The other thing that people

824
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: fail to consider is that there are co evolutionary relationships

825
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: with wildlife and the pathogens in water. They may have

826
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: developed some degree of tolerance to some of those infections. Okay,

827
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: they have a completely different microbiome than what we have,

828
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: for example, and they may be able to fight some

829
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: of these infections better or minimize them. But if you

830
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 2: talk to most people who study wildlife, you pick any

831
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: animal out there, it's going to be riddled with parasites

832
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: and germs.

833
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: That's why we have to.

834
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: Cook our food, right, we have to cook our meat

835
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: or else we're going to get those germs too.

836
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: One which is a left turn. It still involves water,

837
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: but it's unrelated to either of the articles. And I

838
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: don't know if you're going to be more informed than me,

839
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: I suggest you would be. So there's been there's been

840
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: quite a bit of conversation around drinking water out of

841
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: plastic bottles because the plastic has chemicals that leach into

842
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: the water. Thalates one of them. I don't know what

843
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: a fucking thalate is, doc, but I hear them talking

844
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: about thalates all the time, and apparently plays havoc with

845
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: testosterone levels and the endocrime system and not just men

846
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: but women, And so I know next to nothing about it.

847
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: But can you talk to us do I need to drink?

848
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: Do I need to have my water at the gym

849
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: in a glass bottle or a metal bottle or a

850
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: container like this one that I have. Oh, you can't

851
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: see because my camera. Like I drink out of like

852
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: insulate metal. I don't really drink cataplastic bottles. But in general,

853
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: can you help us that?

854
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent question, and this is one that I would

855
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: classify under ongoing research. Okay, there's been some preliminary studies

856
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: that do suggest some of the chemical components in plastic

857
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: water bottles, especially the older ones that have been made

858
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: with the endocrine disruptor that you mentioned BPA, There's been

859
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: some studies, mostly in rodent models, that suggest that they

860
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: can interfere with hormone levels, and especially in children, this

861
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: might be a very dangerous thing because they're still developing.

862
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Speaker 2: BPA has been removed from a lot of plastic water

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Speaker 2: bottles in recent times because of these studies. You just

864
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: don't want to take chances on it, and I think

865
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: that's a smart move. But who knows what else might

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00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: be in those plastic water bottles. Plastic is generally not

867
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: a natural substance. You know, it's got a lot of

868
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: man made chemicals, and we aren't entirely sure what they

869
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: might do to the human body. And we also don't

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00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: know for sure again doses everything, how much of this

871
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: actually leaches into the water, how much of it actually

872
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: remains in the body and causes the problem. I'd frankly

873
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: be a little more worried about the microplastics issue. We've

874
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: already been seeing a lot of microplastics in wildlife, out

875
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: in the environment and in people as well, and we

876
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: don't fully know what the consequences of that are. But

877
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Speaker 2: I'm venturing the guests they might not be all that great,

878
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: So for the time being, I know, if you're looking

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00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 2: for my personal recommendation, I try to stay away from

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Speaker 2: any plastic water bottle that has BPA or other endocrine

881
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 2: disruptors in it. These would be older ones. Newer ones

882
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: probably don't have those materials. Now that said, I would

883
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: go one step further and just use a glass or

884
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: steel water bottle like you showed on your They can't

885
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: see your screen, but you use a steel water bottle. Yeah,

886
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: use that. Use glass. There's no question about the safety

887
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: of those in my mind.

888
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the.

889
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 2: Plastic ones, I think it's I think the research is ongoing.

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Speaker 1: Another thing, and this is I'm not asking a question,

891
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. I think I also worry about,

892
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: not for a myriad of reasons, but one microwaving food.

893
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: Maybe we can talk about that one day, I don't know,

894
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: but also microwaving food in plastic. So you're putting food

895
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: in a plastic Let's say you got some takeaway food

896
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: from the whatever the tie join or the Chinese join

897
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: or the Italian joint, it doesn't matter what it was.

898
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: And now you know it's day two, and you take

899
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: the leftovers out of the fridge and then you zap

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00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: it in the microwave, and now you've got one or

901
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: two day old food being microwaved in plastic. And that

902
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: intersection of hot food plastic. I worry about that as well.

903
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't do that, but I worry about people doing that.

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Speaker 2: I don't do that myself either. M I mean to

905
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I have not looked at the

906
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: studies that say whether it's safe or not. But in

907
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: my mind, it's just something that I don't need to do,

908
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: so why would I do it. It's very easy to

909
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: put it onto a ceramic plate or you know, other

910
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: other dish and just or put it on the stovetop.

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00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a big deal.

912
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Speaker 2: By the way, I want to show you my this

913
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: is what I drink my water out.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, the Bill's got a skull glass. That's terror glass.

915
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: That is that is significant too. That looks like come,

916
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: it's not taste, badass man? Look at that is that

917
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: looks like a lad that looks me? Or what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

919
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: That's you. You're You're a weapon. Dude. You're terrifying. When

920
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: I think of terrifying, I don't think of you. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

921
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Speaker 1: But that's okay, that's okay. We don't need to be

922
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: scaring people. Hey, how do people find you? Follow you,

923
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: connect with you? And also access those articles again?

924
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Speaker 2: Right, the articles that we were talking about today were

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00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: published in Self magazine. Shout out to the reporters who

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Speaker 2: contacted me to get that information. You can find the

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Speaker 2: links on my website, author Bill Sullivan dot com, along

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Speaker 2: with a whole bunch of other stuff and all the

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Speaker 2: other episodes of the You project that I've done with

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Speaker 2: Craigor there too.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Michael saygobye affair. But I always appreciate you and

932
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Speaker 1: good luck with the ensuing mayhem that is four years

933
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. Betton down the hatches. Thanks man, I'm

934
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Speaker 1: going to need it. Thanks Bro,