1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinamiot. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: It's Monday, December twenty three. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: In. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Battled Victorian Liberal Party leader John Pisuto has backflipped on 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: his decision to block ousted MP More Redeeming from rejoining 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the party room. He's called a new vote for January 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: fifteenth in a desperate attempt to save his leadership as 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: some of his closest allies urge him to step down. 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: A Melbourne lawyer lied to her clients and forged their signatures, 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: and she misused funds from a trust. Now Elisa Berry 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: has been struck off and called a stain on the 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: legal profession in a withering takedown by a Victorian Supreme 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Court judge. That exclusive story is live right now at 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the Australian dot com dot AU. Illicit drugs are roone 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: rampant in Australia's immigration detention centers, and law enforcement agencies 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 1: admit they're struggling to keep on top of the problem 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: as hundreds of detainees await deportation. That's today's story. In September, 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: a woman arrived at Sydney's Villawood Detention Center with her 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: two children to visit her husband. Located in Sydney's Western Suburbs, 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Villawood is the biggest immigration detention center in the country. 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: It holds almost four hundred people, many of whom have 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: been waiting for months or even years to be deported. 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: It's not a prison, but some residents do have criminal convictions, 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: so it's subject to tight security. The woman was searched 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: by New South Wales police officers stationed at the detention center. 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: They found two hundred and fifty grams of methemphetamine, as 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: well as three cigarette lighters in her belongings. Her kids, 28 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: who are aged ten and four, weren't found to be 29 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: carrying any contraband substances. Their mother was charged with supplying 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: illegal drugs and within days her husband was also arrested 31 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: inside Villawood, where police seized two mobile phones. He later 32 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: admitted he'd instructed his wife to bring the meth amphetamine 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: to the center for him, and according to new reporting 34 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: by The Australian, this isn't a one off. 35 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 3: The Australian has confirmed that heroin, meth amphetamine and fentanyla 36 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: are flooding into Australia's immigration detention centers. 37 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: Damon Johnston is The Australian's Victorian editor. 38 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: These are hard drugs, these aren't cigarettes, and there is 39 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: a major drug problem within the immigration detention centers around 40 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: this country. These cases where highlighting happened in Sydney, in 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: Wa and in Melbourne. 42 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: There will be many more, according to my sources, that 43 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 4: have happened in the last three months as well. 44 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: There are six complexes like Villawood Detention Center dotted around 45 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the country, including in Melbourne and Perth. Detainees in those 46 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: centers tend to have more freedoms than inmates held in prisons. 47 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: That means they're allowed to own mobile phones and receive 48 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: regular visitors, and the private security firms and police running 49 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: the detention centers say that's part of the problem. 50 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: They're not considered jails. 51 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: However, these freedoms obviously increase the chances for the criminals 52 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: within the detainee system to source drugs and get them 53 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: smuggled in. Australian Borderforce have said that drugs are a problem. 54 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: They haven't tried to hide from this. They say the 55 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: high number of criminals within the detention centers is essentially 56 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: encouraging the amount of drugs that are being smuggled into 57 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: the centers. 58 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: Are detainees using the drugs themselves or distributing them or both? 59 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: I think it would be fair to say both, some 60 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: of them where publishing shows that the drugs were used 61 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: by the people that pick them up. 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: But anywhere where drugs are a problem, users can. 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: Become dealers as well or distributors, so I would be 64 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: surprised if that was not the case in these detention centers. 65 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: Officials from the Australian Border Force say the fact that 66 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: many detainees have been refused visas or had their visas 67 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: canceled on character grounds has fostered a prison like culture 68 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: in detention centers and that's putting the safety of staff 69 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 1: and other detainees at risk. 70 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: Australian Border Force says that of the thousand odd people 71 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: in detention, roughly seven hundred to seven hundred and fifty 72 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 3: have criminal convictions. So this reflects the decision by various 73 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: governments of both persuasions to essentially kick people out of 74 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: Australia if they are residents or they're here on other 75 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: non permanent visas, if they breach the law and they're 76 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: deemed unsuitable, so necessarily they get parked in these detention 77 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: centers and then they get ejected. That's how it's meant 78 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: to work. But some of them, of course, have been 79 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: there for many years and they exercise their legal rights 80 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: to frustrate and delay the process of extradition. 81 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: Last month, the search and seizure powers of border security 82 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: staff working in immigration detention centers were expanded by the 83 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: Australian Parliament. Within days of the legislation being passed, kitchen 84 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: staff at the Melbourne Immigration Detention Center found a package 85 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: containing heroin and methamphetamine in the facility's dining room. But 86 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: the new laws are limited in a situation like this. 87 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 1: They allow guards to confiscate weapons and items that could 88 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: be used to facilitate an escape, but they don't enable 89 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: the facilities managers to implement blanket bands on technology like 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: mobile phones. 91 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: I think a lot of Australians would be interested to 92 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 3: know that detainees in detention centers can have mobile phones 93 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: and presumably access to the internet. Many of them have 94 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: serious criminal convictions and are being deported because they've been 95 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: deemed to be unfit to live in Australia. So I 96 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: think ultimately the government will have to tighten the regulations 97 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: around mobile phones and probably ban them. The obvious answer 98 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: to that would be that, as in standard state run prisons, 99 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: prison supplied landlines are offered and the detainees would then 100 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: use those to communicate with lawyers and loved ones or visitors. 101 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: So I don't think there's any suggestion that they would 102 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: be completely cut off from the outside world. But it 103 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: is curious that these people are in detention because they're 104 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: deemed to be unfit to live in Australia, yet they 105 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: are allowed access to mobile phones, and not surprisingly, some 106 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: of them then use those phones to set up drug deals. 107 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: Coming up why Labour's immigration headache just won't go away. 108 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Immigration is a source subject for Labor. The party has 109 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: typically taken a more humanitarian approach to unauthorized maritime arrivals, 110 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: in particular, often with disastrous results. 111 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: The outstretched hand of a woman grasping for life as 112 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: frantic rescuers try to drag survivors from the boiling. 113 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: Sea jackets standardy. 114 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: This was the refugee boat, just seconds before it was 115 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: swamped by huge waves. 116 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: By contrast, the Coalition talks tough on refugee flows, a 117 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: political tactic that's been incredibly effective at winning elections. 118 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: The most compassionate thing you can do is stop the boats, and. 119 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: As another federal election approaches, the Labor Party's immigration headache 120 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: isn't going away. Earlier this year, it was revealed hundreds 121 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: of detainees with prior convictions for serious criminal offenses like 122 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: murder and rape were released from immigration detention after the 123 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: High Court ruled they were being unconstitutionally held. In those cases, 124 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: detainees couldn't or wouldn't return to their home countries, but 125 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: the law said they couldn't be kept in detention either. 126 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: A small minority of those detainees reoffended after being released 127 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: into communities around the country and saw the government scrambling 128 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: to contain the fallout and regain public trusts. 129 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 5: Anthony Abnezi has unveiled Labour's new front bench, jumping Claire 130 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 5: O'Neal and Andrew Giles from the Home Affairs, Cybersecurity and 131 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 5: Immigration portfolios and replacing them with Tony Burke. 132 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Tony Burke has declined to comment on the latest revelations 133 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: that drugs are rampant in Australia's immigration detention system, but 134 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: the opposition, sensing a new opportunity to hammer Labour on 135 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: immigration says it's yet more evidence the government can't be 136 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: trusted to run the country. 137 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 3: Daintee and the shadow Immigration Minister, has said that Australians 138 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: will be furious to learn that while Labor is allowing 139 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: detainees out of detention, it's allowing drugs into detention. 140 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: And what he's getting at there is. 141 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: That after the High Court ruling last year, a couple 142 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: of hundred detainees were released and they have gone on 143 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: to reoffend. And we know that cost Andrew Giles, the 144 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: then minister, his job and the government's mishandling of that 145 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: left the government in crisis. So mister Tan is trying 146 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: to link the crisis around drugs within the detention centers 147 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: to the broader mishandling of immigration by the Albanese government. 148 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Just lastly, Damon, how does this broad immigration debarcle play 149 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: for Labor in the run up to next year's federal election. 150 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: Oh look, I think it's generally been an area of 151 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: weakness for labor. We know what happened after Kevin Rudd 152 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: was elected in two thousand and seven. The votes came, 153 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of people were in detention, hundreds died, 154 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: so Labour's track record on immigration is not strong and 155 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: this will play into simmering concerns in the community that 156 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 3: they haven't learned their lesson. 157 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: Damon Johnston is The Australian's Victorian editor. You can read 158 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: this story, as well as all the nation's best news, 159 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: sport and politics, right now at the Australian dot com 160 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: dot au