WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 7 January 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.560 Lately. Welcome to the Late Debates. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.879 Good evening and welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Caroline Marcus, 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.560 joined tonight by Sky News contributors Kel Richards and Louise Roberts. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.280 While we start tonight with major news out of Canada, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:24.120 where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced his resignation following 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:25.480 a nine year reign. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.400 This country deserves a real choice in the next election, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.840 and it has become clear to me that if I'm 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.840 having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.479 option in that election. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.040 Mister Trudeau had faced enormous pressure from within his own 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.760 party and criticisms of his handling of the economy and 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.239 of Donald Trump's threats to impose tariffs on imports from 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:57.000 its northern neighbor call. In one respect, this is a 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.920 huge win for Trump and he has continued to troll 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.160 a Trudeau over this. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.360 There was a mean that was going around. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.760 First of all, Trump had posted this AI image of 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.480 himself looking over what appeared to be the Canadian Mountain 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.240 Rages days after joking, well maybe it was half joking 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.639 to Trudeau that Canada should become the fifty first US state. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.360 Plus take a look at this. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.640 Donald Trump has again trolled him on truth social today 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.000 with this post reading the United States can no longer 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.040 suffer the massive trade deficits and subsidies Canadades to stay 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.959 upload justin Trudeau knew that he resigned, adding if Canada 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.160 merged with the US, there would be no tariffs, taxes 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.040 would go way down, and they would be totally secure 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.040 from the threat of Russian and Chinese ships. Now, I 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.000 don't think he's serious about this fifty first date business, 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.600 but he must think that this is his scalp. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.120 Course of course it is. It's his third scalp. His 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.280 first was Joe Biden, his second was Carmala Harus. Now 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.560 he's claimed the scalp of Trudeau and Trudeau didn't help. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.560 I mean, Trudeau's been immensely. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.600 Unpopular for a long time now, and for a long 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.600 time the Poles have all been saying, look, the Conservatives 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.520 are going to whip in. They've got to have an 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.280 election by October. So next election, there's absolutely no way 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.400 Trudeau's Liberal party can win. So he knew he was 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.480 in trouble and he decided, as a judgment called, that 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.240 he would rush down to marro Lago and cuddle up 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.520 to Trump and see if he could get somewhere. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.280 All that Trump did was make jokes. I mean Trump, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.120 Trump's got a sense of humor. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.760 You've got to understand where he talks about buying Greenland 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.440 and maybe taking in Canada. I mean, that is Trump. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.880 But Trudeau looked silly, he looked weak. There he was 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.040 sitting in the lap of Donald Trump, just about and 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.320 being as nice as he could and tugging the forelock 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.440 that and his own deputy, his own treasurer, then decided 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.640 she was really unhappy with the way he was dealing 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.680 with Trump and Trump's threats of more and so on, 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:01.640 so she quit. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.160 So it just all fell apart. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.520 So it was a very bad judgment called by Trudeau 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.360 at a time when he was already unpopular. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.760 And yes, Trump did it to him. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:14.320 You know, Luise, he was the darling of the progressives 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.240 for so long. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.280 Where did it all go so wrong? 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.799 I mean, at one point he lost count of the 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.000 number of times, for example, but he put on blackface. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.000 Who else could survive that? 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.040 And do you remember this from twenty sixteen when the 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:34.400 self proclaimed male feminist elbowed a female MP on the 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.880 floor of the House of Commons and told her to 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.839 get the f out of the way. Tell me what 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.400 conservative politician would have got away with that. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.600 None the police probab would have been called and he 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.200 may he may have been charged with the soult. I mean, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.120 I think Justin Trudeau is a classy example of where 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.160 idealism meets reality and the two don't really mix it all. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.880 And he alienated as Carl was saying, he alienated his 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.800 call base very very quickly because he gave him this glorious, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:05.800 some field plan of climate action and social justice solutions. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.320 None of which he delivered. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.320 So once they were sort of off the bat and 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.560 not supporting him, it was very easy for the opposition 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.080 to move in and say, what about the budget. You're 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.360 sixty eight billion dollars in debt. I can't even get 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.719 my head around that figure. How he's managed to plunge 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.039 Canada into so much debt. As we're saying that, his 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.960 treasurer resigned. But he just had this sort of glorious 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.640 sort of pattern of what he thought would work for Canada, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.120 but he didn't actually put Canada first. He was more 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.719 interested in stomping around on the world stage and going 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.799 to India destroying that relationship, making things difficult with China 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:36.960 as well about tarifs. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.960 And yet for the average. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.920 Canadian home thinking I can't afford my groceries, I can't 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.440 afford to buy a house. Does that sound familiar? So 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:45.880 you know he had to go. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.640 Look, ultimately call people aren't going to care about things 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.960 like you are male, feminist and what you think about 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.680 climate change, that they can't afford to put food on 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.640 the table. And for me, that was his classic response 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.200 to those incredible scenes that we saw of Canadian truckers, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.240 you know, during the pandemic. They were all meeting on 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.120 the border. They're like in a huge convoy. And what 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.120 was his response to that? He smeared many of them 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:20.080 as insurrectionists, as racists. He even froze bank accounts of 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:25.599 people who dared to question his policies and his politics. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.000 Well, there was outrage around the world when he froze 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.920 their bank accounts. I mean, these were people expressing their right. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.680 They were going to the capital Ottawa, they were demonstrating, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.280 they were what they were protesting is was vaccine mandates. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.159 And a lot of people are really big, a lot 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.440 of people around the world, not just in Canada, I'm 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.960 happy about vaccine mandates and the idea that what you 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:51.440 do is you freeze people's bank accounts. That is I 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.440 don't know, that's nineteen eighty four. That's George Orwell stuff. 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.360 That is terrifying. That was when he stepped across the line. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.400 Yeah, he really became more like a dictator, like a 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.800 nice Canadian dictator, but a dictator. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:04.400 Nonetheless. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.839 Look, let's return closer to home now, where Anthony Albanizi 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.600 has called for four year fixed terms amid mounting speculation 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.880 he may already have an election date in mind. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.040 You nod if I hit the right date? 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.960 April twelve, April twelve, good, try nineteen good twenty six? 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.159 Good heard? 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.680 May May seventeenth. Yeah, I think that hang on. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.719 Good v May seventeen or before. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.599 Right, that's mandated. We should have. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.320 We should have four year fixed terms like they do 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.800 in most states and territories. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:50.960 Avoid well, I for one, don't think we'd benefit from 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.800 having this hopeless government in power for a second longer. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.040 Let alone an entire year. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.360 But Louise, what's your prediction read the election? Do you 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.640 think one has actually been set in in Olbow's mind, 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:04.479 at least. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.440 In Albow's mind. Probably yes, But my prediction would be 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:12.000 May ten because it's the last week of before May 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.000 seventeen when they have to go to election, allows them 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.360 to get a federal budget through, which means they can 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.440 pack it full of sweeteners to try and woo the electorate. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.360 I don't know how that's going to go to cost 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.800 living measures, extra security, border security, all the things. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.520 That one can they afford to do that, though I've 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.200 seen speculation that they don't want to wait until the 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.520 budget is handed down because it would be too ugly 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:32.680 for voters. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.560 Yes, well, possibly, but I still feel May ten maybe 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.080 the date, but I think they'll string it out for 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.400 the opposition to make them campaign really really hard with 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.360 that before showing their hand as well. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.840 But QUL, do you think that he could go earlier than. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.520 That or if My guide on this is Peter Kreedlin, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.840 because I think Peter is really smart, and Peter has 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.840 been saying for a long time now, in fact, he 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.840 won't risk a budget a louise. That's what Peter's been suggesting, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.200 because whatever he does with the budget, no matter how 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.640 sweet he tries to make it, it's going to just 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.760 their economic mismanagement. And the enormous debt that Australia is 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.400 falling into the budget papers will look so bad he 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:08.400 can't afford the budget. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:08.480 Now. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:13.080 That means he really can't have the Parliament sitting in March. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.480 So he's got a call on election early enough so 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.119 that the Parliament is not sitting in March. March eighth 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.320 is the WA state election, so anytime he can call it. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.400 He can't run the election when the Wa election is on, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.800 but he could even have called the date while it's 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.360 on because he's got to have thirty three days minimum 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.160 from when he calls the date to when the election 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.120 is held. But that's not a maximum. He could call 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.439 it for a longer period of time just to make 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.559 sure Parliament never sits and his budget. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.920 So I don't agree law Is. I just don't think 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.040 he can produce a budget sweet enough. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.840 I think the April twelve date, and I saw Samantha 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.160 Maiden report this yesterday. It seems to be firming up 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.679 for some people as the most likely. But cal April 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.079 is not a traditional date the government's go to elections. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:01.800 It's Easter. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:02.440 I know. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.560 April twelve is also the Jewish Passover. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.319 And the government is on the Jewish is getting close. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.080 People are on school holidays that are away from home. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.360 Do you think April could be likely? 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.600 Look, the problem is this is a desperate prime minister. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.800 He is seeing private polling we're not seeing and his 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.839 behavior in Queensland is making it really clear. This is 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.000 a man who's seeing really bad numbers in those private polling. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.320 He is desperate. So whatever date he chooses, it's not 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.600 going to be the ideal date. It's going to be 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:33.199 the date. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.720 He has to go. He doesn't really have a choice. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.600 Well, he would like to leave it for another a year. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.040 That much is clear now to an issue that will 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.320 probably be the issue in the upcoming election for most Aussies, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.559 and that's the cost of living. The Australian newspaper has 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.680 declared that the Great Summer Break is becoming unachievable for 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.600 many of us as twelve point five percent surcharges send 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.840 holiday prices Himalaya high, and that's for those of us 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.880 not even leaving the country. Now, they've written that a 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.120 toasty in a coastal town can now set you back 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.480 as much as fifteen dollars and tomato is extra, while 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.800 a belt that's bacon lettuce tomato sandwich that can cost 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.040 twenty two bucks, and a serve of smashed vo on 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.800 bread can now be as much as thirty dollars in 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.840 the popular northern New Southwalds town of Byron Bay Luise. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:31.080 It's been six years since Bernard Salt, the demographer now 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.160 famously said that millennials need to stop buying smashed arvo 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.760 because it's smashed avo, because they won't be able to. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.160 Afford a house. But thirty dollars, really, that's a bit much, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:42.880 I think is. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.560 When Bernard made that comment it was only twenty two dollars, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.280 we thought that was exorbitant. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:47.480 Which it is. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.120 It looks like a bargain now compared to thirty dollars, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.640 But I don't know, I mean, is it really the 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.400 whole smash davo thing. I find quite intriguing because it 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.680 sort of dilutes the responsibility for the government and how 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.000 they should be making it easier for young people to 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.240 buy homes, rather than having to think, well if I 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.079 have this toast, orf, I don't have this toast and 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:07.720 I can afford to buy a home in five or 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:08.240 ten years. 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.560 So yeah, and look, even holidaying within the country, which 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:12.000 a lot. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.559 Of Australians are quite feast. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.160 They can't afford to do anything else, can't afford plane 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.720 firs and accommodation overseas. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.160 But that's becoming incredibly steep. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.960 Every day is becoming incredibly seap. I haven't been on 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.480 a summer holiday. I've been enjoying chatting with you and 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.839 it's really nice. So I haven't been on holidays. But 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.240 what my wife keeps pointing out to me is now 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.720 at the supermarket, a bag of groceries is fifty dollars. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.400 So if there's just a couple of you, you're spending 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.360 one hundred dollars every time you go. If there's a family, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.560 it's at least two hundred dollars. It's every single day 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.760 you're reminded of this, and Australians are not eating it. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.400 We're smart people, you're smart. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.360 The result is we know when you push power prices up, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.600 everything goes up, not just our household bills, but what 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.960 it costs the supermarket to turn on the lights, what 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.240 it costs the people to deliver the goods, the warehouse, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.400 the factory, everything, So all of those prices go up 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.319 and we see them now. It means we get more 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.080 of those cheack knives and coals because we're getting so 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.199 many points these days. But it's outrageously expensive to live. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.560 That's what's going to knock these people over. It's that 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.959 old line and it's true. It's the economy stupid. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.960 It is the economy stupid, and you cannot even escape 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.960 it when you are on at Christmas holidays. Well, Attorney 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:31.360 General Mark Drapers is preparing to travel himself, but overseas, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.400 to Israel within weeks to attempt to mend the fractured 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:40.600 relationship between the Albanezi and Natanyahu governments. Fractured, I'd say 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:46.320 it's decimated, but you know, semantics, shouldn't it You be 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.520 you and Foreign minister going over there to mend relations 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:50.480 with Israel. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:56.520 The Foreign Minister has visited Israel already. The Attorney General 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.319 is an appropriate person to be to Israel. A range 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.400 of others have visited Israel in recent time. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.080 Yes, sure, the Borough Minister Pennywong did visit Israel. She 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.040 didn't tour any of the October seven attack sites though, Luise, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.280 and look at least someone is going and in fantas 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.440 Mike Draper's was supposed to go on October seven, but 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.439 didn't last year, but didn't yep, because of the Hesbela conflict. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.719 That was the reason they gave. But it's I think 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.080 it's far too little, too late. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.680 The only person who should be going to Israel on 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.360 behalf Australia is the Prime Minister of Australia. He should 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:37.880 be going there to clean up his own mess in 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.840 order to try and repair the relationship with the Australian 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.160 Jewish community, which he's given very little credence to. As 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.640 we know, we've talked about at length about this. So yes, 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.600 there's an election coming up, but it really would do 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.960 him so much good and would be such a supportive 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.439 move for Australian Jewish people if he were to actually 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.560 go to Israel. So I don't buy this argument from 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.520 him that he's sending the right person. He's not sending 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.160 the right person. He should be sending himself. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.400 Cal I don't think the Prime Minister can go to 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.680 Israel at the stage, even if he wanted to, which 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.720 he clearly does not. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.559 That is the last thing he would want to do. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.160 But I don't think that Israel he wouldn't get a 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:14.000 warm reception there. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:14.640 I don't think. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.040 Jewish Australians would bide at this point after the hostility 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.440 that he's shown and his government has shown. But do 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.240 you see this as a pre election stunt to how 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.200 do you read this visit? 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.400 It can't be anything butter stunt if I'm reading the 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.600 tea leaves properly, if Benjamin Netn Netta who came to Australia, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.600 he would be arrested. Penny Wong was asked about that. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.800 Now where even dear Old Joe Biden said, we're not 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.000 going to want to this stupid warrant from the ICC, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.200 Penny Wong said, we have to respect international law and 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.240 respect the ICC. That implies that if Benjamin Netna who 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:48.880 came here. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.880 He would be arrested. So what do you do? 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.480 You send your Attorney General who would have to authorize 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.200 his arrest if he arrived in Australia. How can you 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.160 build a friendly relationship with the nation on that basis? 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.000 I think the whole idea that until the policy changes 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.960 it's possible to have a friendly relationship is just ridiculous. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.800 It can't happen, it's delusional. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.560 Well, I think you're right because even with Mark Drapers, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.280 the most senior Jewish politician in Israel. How are they 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.880 going to explain to the Israelis why they banned a 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.840 former Israeli minister from coming to the country. Recently, they're 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.360 increasingly hostile moves the United Nations, and the fact that 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.880 meant it so difficult for Israelis to come here because 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.600 they'd have to answer pages of paperwork about the National 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.120 Service IS. I don't know how you can come back 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.400 from any of that, but we'll see how it goes. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.280 Look, let's move. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.520 On to a story now about lime e bikes which 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.120 they're being found dumped in largely Jewish suburbs and Eastern 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:53.680 Sydney bearing swastikas and anti Israel slogans. Now, the Australian 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.920 Jewish Association says that it has received hundreds of complaints 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.440 from its members who've spotted the bikes with these slogans 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.480 such as Israel is a terror state, Israel is hell, 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:11.320 and stickers calling to boycott apartheid Israel. Louise, Look, I 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.280 find these bikes enough of an I saw they get 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.080 abandoned all over the place. I mean, it's supposed to 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:19.560 be environmental. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.560 But as far as I'm concerned, it's just like environmental exactly, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:24.480 it's cut. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.000 But now they're anti Semitican, anti Israel as well. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.720 Yeah, they've been weaponized as mobile racist billboard. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:31.480 So get rid of them. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:32.960 I mean, I've come back from the Gold Coast this 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.440 morning and they were all over Queensland as well, So 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.640 I can't imagine what the tips will be full of 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.240 them soon. But they're being weaponized in this way, so 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.240 just get rid of them, get them off the streets, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.040 take them away from these cowers who are using them 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.040 to be hostile to our Jewish community. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.920 Yeahl Louise is absolutely right for me. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.680 This is the last raw because there's such an I 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.600 saw as it is, and to top that off, they're 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:58.280 being used now. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.160 I want to know if rests are possible. Presumably the 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.560 company that owns these things know who leases them, so 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.160 there must be a record of who has rented these bikes. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.760 Therefore a record of who's dumped the bikes with those 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.600 messages on them, and there should be some sort of 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.560 charge possible, whether there it's an insightenment of violence or 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:18.080 whatever it is. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:18.720 I'm not a lawyer. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.760 I don't know what the charge would be. And this 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.000 is what's happening with anti Semitism. We're not seeing arrests, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.720 Wh're not seeing people charge. It's going to go on 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.439 and get worse and worse. And still they start arresting people, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.200 start calling people, pulling people up before the courts. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.240 Until that happens, this will go on. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:36.600 Yeah, exactly. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.440 There hasn't been enough of enforcement of the existing laws 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.720 we have. And I mean even does a display of 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.600 the swastika, display of a Nazi symbol that is a 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.119 clear criminal offense. And you're right, Cal, I mean this 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.920 stuff should be electronically stored and the bike companies the 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.280 data of who borrows the bike. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.520 So I'm not sure why it's so difficult to take action. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.440 Well, if the government hoped it could leave the immigration 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.200 Detaine debacle behind in twenty twenty four, it was wrong. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.720 In the latest blow to the government's detention regime, the 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.960 federal government has ruled in favor of a Bhutan born 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.119 man who attacked his wife with a meat cleaver, ruling 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:17.080 against the dumped Minister Andrew Giles's order to strip him 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:22.119 of his visa. Now, Louise, this issue continues. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:22.159 To haunt Labor. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.399 I feel like Tony Burke had at the last in 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.520 the dying hours of twenty twenty four, given himself special 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.080 powers to deal with these detainees, and yet here we 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:34.240 see it pop up again. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.720 It's right now. I've been to wonder what it's going 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.439 to take for this current federal government to realize how 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:44.560 important national security and border patrol is for us as Australians. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.280 We want our country to be safe. We don't feel 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.240 it is safe. These dangerous foreign criminals are released into 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.040 the community to be rehabilitated or similar into Australian society. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:53.760 We don't want that. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.639 We want them shipped back to their own countries. If 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.720 they're going to be criminals here, they need to be 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.639 criminals back home. I mean, for me, the border security 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.399 is as important as cost of living as an election issue. 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:05.280 We want to feel safe. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.000 Well, the number one core job of a government kelshul 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.040 is a safety of. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.320 The people, of course it is. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.240 And what I can't get over is how a federal 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.120 government can be as legally incompetent as this government has. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.080 Go back to November twenty twenty three, there was the 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.800 case the nz YQ I think was his codename case, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.280 and the High Court declared that he could not be 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:34.160 held in detention indefinitely, I think was their ruling, because 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:39.639 his home country wouldn't take him. Apparently, this federal government 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.600 was caught by surprise. They'd been warned about it coming. 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.160 They were caught by surprise. They had no legislation ready. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.560 They rushed legislation through. They got that wrong. We discovered 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.280 that Andrew Giles had this famous direction ninety nine that 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.239 meant that how long they've been in Australia, you know, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.080