Speaker 1: Lately. Welcome to the Late Debates.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Caroline Marcus,
Speaker 2: joined tonight by Sky News contributors Kel Richards and Louise Roberts.
Speaker 2: While we start tonight with major news out of Canada,
Speaker 2: where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced his resignation following
Speaker 2: a nine year reign.
Speaker 3: This country deserves a real choice in the next election,
Speaker 3: and it has become clear to me that if I'm
Speaker 3: having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best
Speaker 3: option in that election.
Speaker 2: Mister Trudeau had faced enormous pressure from within his own
Speaker 2: party and criticisms of his handling of the economy and
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's threats to impose tariffs on imports from
Speaker 2: its northern neighbor call. In one respect, this is a
Speaker 2: huge win for Trump and he has continued to troll
Speaker 2: a Trudeau over this.
Speaker 4: There was a mean that was going around.
Speaker 2: First of all, Trump had posted this AI image of
Speaker 2: himself looking over what appeared to be the Canadian Mountain
Speaker 2: Rages days after joking, well maybe it was half joking
Speaker 2: to Trudeau that Canada should become the fifty first US state.
Speaker 4: Plus take a look at this.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has again trolled him on truth social today
Speaker 2: with this post reading the United States can no longer
Speaker 2: suffer the massive trade deficits and subsidies Canadades to stay
Speaker 2: upload justin Trudeau knew that he resigned, adding if Canada
Speaker 2: merged with the US, there would be no tariffs, taxes
Speaker 2: would go way down, and they would be totally secure
Speaker 2: from the threat of Russian and Chinese ships. Now, I
Speaker 2: don't think he's serious about this fifty first date business,
Speaker 2: but he must think that this is his scalp.
Speaker 5: Course of course it is. It's his third scalp. His
Speaker 5: first was Joe Biden, his second was Carmala Harus. Now
Speaker 5: he's claimed the scalp of Trudeau and Trudeau didn't help.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trudeau's been immensely.
Speaker 5: Unpopular for a long time now, and for a long
Speaker 5: time the Poles have all been saying, look, the Conservatives
Speaker 5: are going to whip in. They've got to have an
Speaker 5: election by October. So next election, there's absolutely no way
Speaker 5: Trudeau's Liberal party can win. So he knew he was
Speaker 5: in trouble and he decided, as a judgment called, that
Speaker 5: he would rush down to marro Lago and cuddle up
Speaker 5: to Trump and see if he could get somewhere.
Speaker 1: All that Trump did was make jokes. I mean Trump,
Speaker 1: Trump's got a sense of humor.
Speaker 5: You've got to understand where he talks about buying Greenland
Speaker 5: and maybe taking in Canada. I mean, that is Trump.
Speaker 5: But Trudeau looked silly, he looked weak. There he was
Speaker 5: sitting in the lap of Donald Trump, just about and
Speaker 5: being as nice as he could and tugging the forelock
Speaker 5: that and his own deputy, his own treasurer, then decided
Speaker 5: she was really unhappy with the way he was dealing
Speaker 5: with Trump and Trump's threats of more and so on,
Speaker 5: so she quit.
Speaker 1: So it just all fell apart.
Speaker 5: So it was a very bad judgment called by Trudeau
Speaker 5: at a time when he was already unpopular.
Speaker 1: And yes, Trump did it to him.
Speaker 2: You know, Luise, he was the darling of the progressives
Speaker 2: for so long.
Speaker 4: Where did it all go so wrong?
Speaker 2: I mean, at one point he lost count of the
Speaker 2: number of times, for example, but he put on blackface.
Speaker 4: Who else could survive that?
Speaker 2: And do you remember this from twenty sixteen when the
Speaker 2: self proclaimed male feminist elbowed a female MP on the
Speaker 2: floor of the House of Commons and told her to
Speaker 2: get the f out of the way. Tell me what
Speaker 2: conservative politician would have got away with that.
Speaker 6: None the police probab would have been called and he
Speaker 6: may he may have been charged with the soult. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think Justin Trudeau is a classy example of where
Speaker 6: idealism meets reality and the two don't really mix it all.
Speaker 6: And he alienated as Carl was saying, he alienated his
Speaker 6: call base very very quickly because he gave him this glorious,
Speaker 6: some field plan of climate action and social justice solutions.
Speaker 4: None of which he delivered.
Speaker 6: So once they were sort of off the bat and
Speaker 6: not supporting him, it was very easy for the opposition
Speaker 6: to move in and say, what about the budget. You're
Speaker 6: sixty eight billion dollars in debt. I can't even get
Speaker 6: my head around that figure. How he's managed to plunge
Speaker 6: Canada into so much debt. As we're saying that, his
Speaker 6: treasurer resigned. But he just had this sort of glorious
Speaker 6: sort of pattern of what he thought would work for Canada,
Speaker 6: but he didn't actually put Canada first. He was more
Speaker 6: interested in stomping around on the world stage and going
Speaker 6: to India destroying that relationship, making things difficult with China
Speaker 6: as well about tarifs.
Speaker 4: And yet for the average.
Speaker 6: Canadian home thinking I can't afford my groceries, I can't
Speaker 6: afford to buy a house. Does that sound familiar? So
Speaker 6: you know he had to go.
Speaker 2: Look, ultimately call people aren't going to care about things
Speaker 2: like you are male, feminist and what you think about
Speaker 2: climate change, that they can't afford to put food on
Speaker 2: the table. And for me, that was his classic response
Speaker 2: to those incredible scenes that we saw of Canadian truckers,
Speaker 2: you know, during the pandemic. They were all meeting on
Speaker 2: the border. They're like in a huge convoy. And what
Speaker 2: was his response to that? He smeared many of them
Speaker 2: as insurrectionists, as racists. He even froze bank accounts of
Speaker 2: people who dared to question his policies and his politics.
Speaker 5: Well, there was outrage around the world when he froze
Speaker 5: their bank accounts. I mean, these were people expressing their right.
Speaker 5: They were going to the capital Ottawa, they were demonstrating,
Speaker 5: they were what they were protesting is was vaccine mandates.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people are really big, a lot
Speaker 5: of people around the world, not just in Canada, I'm
Speaker 5: happy about vaccine mandates and the idea that what you
Speaker 5: do is you freeze people's bank accounts. That is I
Speaker 5: don't know, that's nineteen eighty four. That's George Orwell stuff.
Speaker 5: That is terrifying. That was when he stepped across the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really became more like a dictator, like a
Speaker 2: nice Canadian dictator, but a dictator.
Speaker 4: Nonetheless.
Speaker 2: Look, let's return closer to home now, where Anthony Albanizi
Speaker 2: has called for four year fixed terms amid mounting speculation
Speaker 2: he may already have an election date in mind.
Speaker 4: You nod if I hit the right date?
Speaker 2: April twelve, April twelve, good, try nineteen good twenty six?
Speaker 1: Good heard?
Speaker 4: May May seventeenth. Yeah, I think that hang on.
Speaker 7: Good v May seventeen or before.
Speaker 1: Right, that's mandated. We should have.
Speaker 7: We should have four year fixed terms like they do
Speaker 7: in most states and territories.
Speaker 2: Avoid well, I for one, don't think we'd benefit from
Speaker 2: having this hopeless government in power for a second longer.
Speaker 4: Let alone an entire year.
Speaker 2: But Louise, what's your prediction read the election? Do you
Speaker 2: think one has actually been set in in Olbow's mind,
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 6: In Albow's mind. Probably yes, But my prediction would be
Speaker 6: May ten because it's the last week of before May
Speaker 6: seventeen when they have to go to election, allows them
Speaker 6: to get a federal budget through, which means they can
Speaker 6: pack it full of sweeteners to try and woo the electorate.
Speaker 6: I don't know how that's going to go to cost
Speaker 6: living measures, extra security, border security, all the things.
Speaker 2: That one can they afford to do that, though I've
Speaker 2: seen speculation that they don't want to wait until the
Speaker 2: budget is handed down because it would be too ugly
Speaker 2: for voters.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, possibly, but I still feel May ten maybe
Speaker 6: the date, but I think they'll string it out for
Speaker 6: the opposition to make them campaign really really hard with
Speaker 6: that before showing their hand as well.
Speaker 4: But QUL, do you think that he could go earlier than.
Speaker 5: That or if My guide on this is Peter Kreedlin,
Speaker 5: because I think Peter is really smart, and Peter has
Speaker 5: been saying for a long time now, in fact, he
Speaker 5: won't risk a budget a louise. That's what Peter's been suggesting,
Speaker 5: because whatever he does with the budget, no matter how
Speaker 5: sweet he tries to make it, it's going to just
Speaker 5: their economic mismanagement. And the enormous debt that Australia is
Speaker 5: falling into the budget papers will look so bad he
Speaker 5: can't afford the budget.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: That means he really can't have the Parliament sitting in March.
Speaker 5: So he's got a call on election early enough so
Speaker 5: that the Parliament is not sitting in March. March eighth
Speaker 5: is the WA state election, so anytime he can call it.
Speaker 5: He can't run the election when the Wa election is on,
Speaker 5: but he could even have called the date while it's
Speaker 5: on because he's got to have thirty three days minimum
Speaker 5: from when he calls the date to when the election
Speaker 5: is held. But that's not a maximum. He could call
Speaker 5: it for a longer period of time just to make
Speaker 5: sure Parliament never sits and his budget.
Speaker 1: So I don't agree law Is. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he can produce a budget sweet enough.
Speaker 2: I think the April twelve date, and I saw Samantha
Speaker 2: Maiden report this yesterday. It seems to be firming up
Speaker 2: for some people as the most likely. But cal April
Speaker 2: is not a traditional date the government's go to elections.
Speaker 4: It's Easter.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: April twelve is also the Jewish Passover.
Speaker 2: And the government is on the Jewish is getting close.
Speaker 2: People are on school holidays that are away from home.
Speaker 4: Do you think April could be likely?
Speaker 5: Look, the problem is this is a desperate prime minister.
Speaker 5: He is seeing private polling we're not seeing and his
Speaker 5: behavior in Queensland is making it really clear. This is
Speaker 5: a man who's seeing really bad numbers in those private polling.
Speaker 5: He is desperate. So whatever date he chooses, it's not
Speaker 5: going to be the ideal date. It's going to be
Speaker 5: the date.
Speaker 1: He has to go. He doesn't really have a choice.
Speaker 4: Well, he would like to leave it for another a year.
Speaker 2: That much is clear now to an issue that will
Speaker 2: probably be the issue in the upcoming election for most Aussies,
Speaker 2: and that's the cost of living. The Australian newspaper has
Speaker 2: declared that the Great Summer Break is becoming unachievable for
Speaker 2: many of us as twelve point five percent surcharges send
Speaker 2: holiday prices Himalaya high, and that's for those of us
Speaker 2: not even leaving the country. Now, they've written that a
Speaker 2: toasty in a coastal town can now set you back
Speaker 2: as much as fifteen dollars and tomato is extra, while
Speaker 2: a belt that's bacon lettuce tomato sandwich that can cost
Speaker 2: twenty two bucks, and a serve of smashed vo on
Speaker 2: bread can now be as much as thirty dollars in
Speaker 2: the popular northern New Southwalds town of Byron Bay Luise.
Speaker 2: It's been six years since Bernard Salt, the demographer now
Speaker 2: famously said that millennials need to stop buying smashed arvo
Speaker 2: because it's smashed avo, because they won't be able to.
Speaker 4: Afford a house. But thirty dollars, really, that's a bit much,
Speaker 4: I think is.
Speaker 6: When Bernard made that comment it was only twenty two dollars,
Speaker 6: we thought that was exorbitant.
Speaker 4: Which it is.
Speaker 6: It looks like a bargain now compared to thirty dollars,
Speaker 6: But I don't know, I mean, is it really the
Speaker 6: whole smash davo thing. I find quite intriguing because it
Speaker 6: sort of dilutes the responsibility for the government and how
Speaker 6: they should be making it easier for young people to
Speaker 6: buy homes, rather than having to think, well if I
Speaker 6: have this toast, orf, I don't have this toast and
Speaker 6: I can afford to buy a home in five or
Speaker 6: ten years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and look, even holidaying within the country, which
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 4: Of Australians are quite feast.
Speaker 2: They can't afford to do anything else, can't afford plane
Speaker 2: firs and accommodation overseas.
Speaker 4: But that's becoming incredibly steep.
Speaker 5: Every day is becoming incredibly seap. I haven't been on
Speaker 5: a summer holiday. I've been enjoying chatting with you and
Speaker 5: it's really nice. So I haven't been on holidays. But
Speaker 5: what my wife keeps pointing out to me is now
Speaker 5: at the supermarket, a bag of groceries is fifty dollars.
Speaker 5: So if there's just a couple of you, you're spending
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars every time you go. If there's a family,
Speaker 5: it's at least two hundred dollars. It's every single day
Speaker 5: you're reminded of this, and Australians are not eating it.
Speaker 1: We're smart people, you're smart.
Speaker 5: The result is we know when you push power prices up,
Speaker 5: everything goes up, not just our household bills, but what
Speaker 5: it costs the supermarket to turn on the lights, what
Speaker 5: it costs the people to deliver the goods, the warehouse,
Speaker 5: the factory, everything, So all of those prices go up
Speaker 5: and we see them now. It means we get more
Speaker 5: of those cheack knives and coals because we're getting so
Speaker 5: many points these days. But it's outrageously expensive to live.
Speaker 5: That's what's going to knock these people over. It's that
Speaker 5: old line and it's true. It's the economy stupid.
Speaker 2: It is the economy stupid, and you cannot even escape
Speaker 2: it when you are on at Christmas holidays. Well, Attorney
Speaker 2: General Mark Drapers is preparing to travel himself, but overseas,
Speaker 2: to Israel within weeks to attempt to mend the fractured
Speaker 2: relationship between the Albanezi and Natanyahu governments. Fractured, I'd say
Speaker 2: it's decimated, but you know, semantics, shouldn't it You be
Speaker 2: you and Foreign minister going over there to mend relations
Speaker 2: with Israel.
Speaker 7: The Foreign Minister has visited Israel already. The Attorney General
Speaker 7: is an appropriate person to be to Israel. A range
Speaker 7: of others have visited Israel in recent time.
Speaker 2: Yes, sure, the Borough Minister Pennywong did visit Israel. She
Speaker 2: didn't tour any of the October seven attack sites though, Luise,
Speaker 2: and look at least someone is going and in fantas
Speaker 2: Mike Draper's was supposed to go on October seven, but
Speaker 2: didn't last year, but didn't yep, because of the Hesbela conflict.
Speaker 4: That was the reason they gave. But it's I think
Speaker 4: it's far too little, too late.
Speaker 6: The only person who should be going to Israel on
Speaker 6: behalf Australia is the Prime Minister of Australia. He should
Speaker 6: be going there to clean up his own mess in
Speaker 6: order to try and repair the relationship with the Australian
Speaker 6: Jewish community, which he's given very little credence to. As
Speaker 6: we know, we've talked about at length about this. So yes,
Speaker 6: there's an election coming up, but it really would do
Speaker 6: him so much good and would be such a supportive
Speaker 6: move for Australian Jewish people if he were to actually
Speaker 6: go to Israel. So I don't buy this argument from
Speaker 6: him that he's sending the right person. He's not sending
Speaker 6: the right person. He should be sending himself.
Speaker 2: Cal I don't think the Prime Minister can go to
Speaker 2: Israel at the stage, even if he wanted to, which
Speaker 2: he clearly does not.
Speaker 4: That is the last thing he would want to do.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that Israel he wouldn't get a
Speaker 2: warm reception there.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 2: Jewish Australians would bide at this point after the hostility
Speaker 2: that he's shown and his government has shown. But do
Speaker 2: you see this as a pre election stunt to how
Speaker 2: do you read this visit?
Speaker 5: It can't be anything butter stunt if I'm reading the
Speaker 5: tea leaves properly, if Benjamin Netn Netta who came to Australia,
Speaker 5: he would be arrested. Penny Wong was asked about that.
Speaker 5: Now where even dear Old Joe Biden said, we're not
Speaker 5: going to want to this stupid warrant from the ICC,
Speaker 5: Penny Wong said, we have to respect international law and
Speaker 5: respect the ICC. That implies that if Benjamin Netna who
Speaker 5: came here.
Speaker 1: He would be arrested. So what do you do?
Speaker 5: You send your Attorney General who would have to authorize
Speaker 5: his arrest if he arrived in Australia. How can you
Speaker 5: build a friendly relationship with the nation on that basis?
Speaker 5: I think the whole idea that until the policy changes
Speaker 5: it's possible to have a friendly relationship is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It can't happen, it's delusional.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right because even with Mark Drapers,
Speaker 2: the most senior Jewish politician in Israel. How are they
Speaker 2: going to explain to the Israelis why they banned a
Speaker 2: former Israeli minister from coming to the country. Recently, they're
Speaker 2: increasingly hostile moves the United Nations, and the fact that
Speaker 2: meant it so difficult for Israelis to come here because
Speaker 2: they'd have to answer pages of paperwork about the National
Speaker 2: Service IS. I don't know how you can come back
Speaker 2: from any of that, but we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 4: Look, let's move.
Speaker 2: On to a story now about lime e bikes which
Speaker 2: they're being found dumped in largely Jewish suburbs and Eastern
Speaker 2: Sydney bearing swastikas and anti Israel slogans. Now, the Australian
Speaker 2: Jewish Association says that it has received hundreds of complaints
Speaker 2: from its members who've spotted the bikes with these slogans
Speaker 2: such as Israel is a terror state, Israel is hell,
Speaker 2: and stickers calling to boycott apartheid Israel. Louise, Look, I
Speaker 2: find these bikes enough of an I saw they get
Speaker 2: abandoned all over the place. I mean, it's supposed to
Speaker 2: be environmental.
Speaker 4: But as far as I'm concerned, it's just like environmental exactly,
Speaker 4: it's cut.
Speaker 2: But now they're anti Semitican, anti Israel as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been weaponized as mobile racist billboard.
Speaker 4: So get rid of them.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've come back from the Gold Coast this
Speaker 6: morning and they were all over Queensland as well, So
Speaker 6: I can't imagine what the tips will be full of
Speaker 6: them soon. But they're being weaponized in this way, so
Speaker 6: just get rid of them, get them off the streets,
Speaker 6: take them away from these cowers who are using them
Speaker 6: to be hostile to our Jewish community.
Speaker 4: Yeahl Louise is absolutely right for me.
Speaker 2: This is the last raw because there's such an I
Speaker 2: saw as it is, and to top that off, they're
Speaker 2: being used now.
Speaker 5: I want to know if rests are possible. Presumably the
Speaker 5: company that owns these things know who leases them, so
Speaker 5: there must be a record of who has rented these bikes.
Speaker 5: Therefore a record of who's dumped the bikes with those
Speaker 5: messages on them, and there should be some sort of
Speaker 5: charge possible, whether there it's an insightenment of violence or
Speaker 5: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 5: I don't know what the charge would be. And this
Speaker 5: is what's happening with anti Semitism. We're not seeing arrests,
Speaker 5: Wh're not seeing people charge. It's going to go on
Speaker 5: and get worse and worse. And still they start arresting people,
Speaker 5: start calling people, pulling people up before the courts.
Speaker 1: Until that happens, this will go on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: There hasn't been enough of enforcement of the existing laws
Speaker 2: we have. And I mean even does a display of
Speaker 2: the swastika, display of a Nazi symbol that is a
Speaker 2: clear criminal offense. And you're right, Cal, I mean this
Speaker 2: stuff should be electronically stored and the bike companies the
Speaker 2: data of who borrows the bike.
Speaker 4: So I'm not sure why it's so difficult to take action.
Speaker 2: Well, if the government hoped it could leave the immigration
Speaker 2: Detaine debacle behind in twenty twenty four, it was wrong.
Speaker 2: In the latest blow to the government's detention regime, the
Speaker 2: federal government has ruled in favor of a Bhutan born
Speaker 2: man who attacked his wife with a meat cleaver, ruling
Speaker 2: against the dumped Minister Andrew Giles's order to strip him
Speaker 2: of his visa. Now, Louise, this issue continues.
Speaker 4: To haunt Labor.
Speaker 2: I feel like Tony Burke had at the last in
Speaker 2: the dying hours of twenty twenty four, given himself special
Speaker 2: powers to deal with these detainees, and yet here we
Speaker 2: see it pop up again.
Speaker 6: It's right now. I've been to wonder what it's going
Speaker 6: to take for this current federal government to realize how
Speaker 6: important national security and border patrol is for us as Australians.
Speaker 6: We want our country to be safe. We don't feel
Speaker 6: it is safe. These dangerous foreign criminals are released into
Speaker 6: the community to be rehabilitated or similar into Australian society.
Speaker 1: We don't want that.
Speaker 6: We want them shipped back to their own countries. If
Speaker 6: they're going to be criminals here, they need to be
Speaker 6: criminals back home. I mean, for me, the border security
Speaker 6: is as important as cost of living as an election issue.
Speaker 6: We want to feel safe.
Speaker 2: Well, the number one core job of a government kelshul
Speaker 2: is a safety of.
Speaker 1: The people, of course it is.
Speaker 5: And what I can't get over is how a federal
Speaker 5: government can be as legally incompetent as this government has.
Speaker 5: Go back to November twenty twenty three, there was the
Speaker 5: case the nz YQ I think was his codename case,
Speaker 5: and the High Court declared that he could not be
Speaker 5: held in detention indefinitely, I think was their ruling, because
Speaker 5: his home country wouldn't take him. Apparently, this federal government
Speaker 5: was caught by surprise. They'd been warned about it coming.
Speaker 5: They were caught by surprise. They had no legislation ready.
Speaker 5: They rushed legislation through. They got that wrong. We discovered
Speaker 5: that Andrew Giles had this famous direction ninety nine that
Speaker 5: meant that how long they've been in Australia, you know,
Speaker 5: robbing people and stealing things and beating people up, how
Speaker 5: long they've been here had.
Speaker 1: To be taken into consideration. We couldn't deport them.
Speaker 5: Every legal step they've got wrong and this is just
Speaker 5: another legal step. The day after that decision from the
Speaker 5: High Court, this federal government decided, well, we'll release another
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty criminals into Australia. I mean, quite
Speaker 5: frankly at the time, I couldn't understand why they didn't say, well,
Speaker 5: let them all start cases and see if they win.
Speaker 5: Instead of that, they just let them all go on
Speaker 5: the base. Oh, we have to want to the High
Speaker 5: Court decision for a layman that was inexplicable, and I
Speaker 5: cannot understand a federal government scene being so legally incompetent
Speaker 5: that they get every step wrong like this.
Speaker 4: Oh it boggles the mind, Louise.
Speaker 2: I just feel that they were ill equipped to deal
Speaker 2: with it in the first place, as Kel said, and
Speaker 2: then to cover up they tried to give themselves extra
Speaker 2: powers and say that they're enforcing curfews and putting ankle bracelets,
Speaker 2: and then the court said again again no, you can't
Speaker 2: even do that. So we're stuck with these people in
Speaker 2: the community who are clearly dangerous violence.
Speaker 4: Though where are they We don't know where they are.
Speaker 6: I mean, do you know if there's one living near
Speaker 6: you in your street, they one in your neighborhood, to
Speaker 6: your child's school. It's got to carjack you when you
Speaker 6: leave work tonight. You just don't know because they have
Speaker 6: not provided any comfort fact around that for us as
Speaker 6: Australians as people, and they don't care. They're happy to
Speaker 6: be living in our lovely country and getting all the
Speaker 6: welfare and stuff in a nice home, but for us
Speaker 6: it's untenable.
Speaker 2: Of course, they don't want to go back, and they're
Speaker 2: using the legal system in order to stay as long
Speaker 2: as they can, and it's working for them well. To
Speaker 2: the UK now where the front runner to lead an
Speaker 2: Islamic body, has said Muslim children should be taught to
Speaker 2: identify primarily as Muslim rather than as British, and also
Speaker 2: condemned New Year's celebrations as pagan. According to the right
Speaker 2: wing think tank Policy Exchange, doctor Mohammad Wadjid Akt said
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, most people teach their children to
Speaker 2: be their nationality or ethnicity first. But this gives such
Speaker 2: a limited and limited view of yourself and others that
Speaker 2: this can lead children to be shallow. It is literally
Speaker 2: how the evils of nationalism, racism and fascism are born.
Speaker 4: And not only that.
Speaker 2: The other front runner for the Muslim Council of Britain
Speaker 2: wrote a glowing report about the Iranian regime in twenty seventeen. Honestly, Kel,
Speaker 2: I'm not confident either of these candidates, these front runners
Speaker 2: will promote social cohesion or integration.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm going to say this, I need to say
Speaker 5: it very carefully. There is a sense in which Islam
Speaker 5: is not like other faiths. It does not closely resemble
Speaker 5: Buddhism or Hinduism, or Judaism or Christianity in the sense
Speaker 5: that it embodies a worldview, which is fundamentally.
Speaker 1: A warrior worldview.
Speaker 5: It's found that the prophet Muhammad was a warrior, and
Speaker 5: in classical traditional Islam there's a warrior view of the
Speaker 5: entire world. Now you've got to be really careful. I
Speaker 5: want to warn you don't make any assumptions when you
Speaker 5: meet a Muslim.
Speaker 1: The world is full.
Speaker 5: Of millions of wonderful Muslims, so don't make assumptions about them.
Speaker 5: But if you look at the ideology in the background,
Speaker 5: the worldview in the background, in classical traditional Islam, it's
Speaker 5: a warrior view of the world. That's not what Buddhism
Speaker 5: is like. That's not what Judaism, Christianity or Hinduism are like.
Speaker 1: It's very different.
Speaker 5: So I understand why people would look at this particular
Speaker 5: faith and have reservations. Not about individual people. There are
Speaker 5: wonderful Muslim friends we have. It's not about individual people.
Speaker 5: It's about that big worldview, and there are reasons for
Speaker 5: us to say we want to think carefully about this.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I think as well, Luise, that it's concerning to see
Speaker 2: any faith groups say that you should put your faith
Speaker 2: and a certain ideology religious ideology above being part of
Speaker 2: the country that you have adopted or that you live in,
Speaker 2: say even in Australia. I think we do see this
Speaker 2: to some extent, that people from certain groups from other
Speaker 2: parts of the world originally say associated relate more to
Speaker 2: that than the country that they are living in now.
Speaker 2: And I think that's dangerous for society.
Speaker 4: It is dangerous.
Speaker 6: And I was really alarmed to read this story today
Speaker 6: because I lived in the UK for seventeen years and
Speaker 6: there was a lot of work done then to keep
Speaker 6: all fates assimilated within British society. You were British first,
Speaker 6: rather than sort of saying you're Muslim or Catholic or
Speaker 6: anything like that in a way, so I find anything
Speaker 6: that sort of adds more fuel to the five trying
Speaker 6: to divide Britain will be catastrophic because at subsequent Prime ministers,
Speaker 6: even Boris Johnson couldn't fix it as an issue. And
Speaker 6: I remember I was living in the UK when nine
Speaker 6: to eleven happened, and there was a lot of work
Speaker 6: done around to keep everyone together as unified force, with
Speaker 6: al Qaeder and Muslim families being attacked and things like that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I just hope that's not replicated here at
Speaker 6: some point.
Speaker 2: And of course we saw the success of Muslim candidates
Speaker 2: at the recent elect Brendin's and the and here we're
Speaker 2: seeing the influence that Muslim groups and Muslim Voice for example,
Speaker 2: as having on domestic politics.
Speaker 4: So I think it's something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: Look, let's stay in the UK now, and Prince Andrew
Speaker 2: has been reported to police, accused of using a false
Speaker 2: name in company records. Anti monarchy group Republic filed a
Speaker 2: complaint to the Metropolitan Police over reports the Duke of
Speaker 2: York had used the name Andrew Inverness in official business
Speaker 2: fileings Now. It comes as Prince Andrew was thrust into
Speaker 2: the headlines over his connections to an alleged Chinese spy Kel.
Speaker 2: It's not a great start to the year for the
Speaker 2: royal family. I mean, how do you think they need
Speaker 2: to deal with this? What would you say to King Charles?
Speaker 5: Well, h you know what I do. There's a wonderful
Speaker 5: quote from an English writer named Hugh Kingsmill. Kings Mill
Speaker 5: said friends are God's apology for relatives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Charles, You're stuck with this blow. He's your brother
Speaker 5: and he's a halfwid He makes his judgments are so bad.
Speaker 5: He's in the same category as John Persudo. That's as
Speaker 5: bad as judgments can ever get. Quite frankly, he just
Speaker 5: makes appalling judgments. He hasn't made clever judgments, whether it's
Speaker 5: about Jeffrey Epstein, or about his business dealings, or about anything.
Speaker 5: So Charles has been trying to contain him, and he's
Speaker 5: taken him. He's got no HRH title and he'm always
Speaker 5: got no military roles anymore. He's taken it. He can't
Speaker 5: appear on the balcony Buckingham Palace. Charles has done everything
Speaker 5: he can, but Andrew goes on being an embarrassment.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Charles.
Speaker 5: If there was any way we could help your magency
Speaker 5: to cope with this.
Speaker 1: Man, we'd tell you. But we've got no ideas.
Speaker 4: Can't they just send him to America to live with
Speaker 4: the I.
Speaker 6: I was going to suggest that Charles recently hired a
Speaker 6: new deputy secretary, THEO Ryecroft, who's very smart, used to
Speaker 6: work in Paris and in the diplomacy there. The Andrew
Speaker 6: problem has to be fixed this year, and I think
Speaker 6: Charles will get THEO to sort it, really, because I
Speaker 6: think the sort of person who'd be very strategic. It
Speaker 6: takes the family ties out of it. They're clearly not
Speaker 6: having Queen Elizabeth around means there's a lot of back
Speaker 6: channeling and massaging a family politics that has to happen,
Speaker 6: and Charles has no band with that. I mean, he's
Speaker 6: finding cancer for goodness sake.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, and so is Catherine as well. This is
Speaker 4: the last thing that they need to deal with.
Speaker 2: And yet time and time again he makes these poor
Speaker 2: judgment halls, as Kel put it, from Jeffrey Epstein to
Speaker 2: Chinese spies and now.
Speaker 4: This Lonie shameless. He doesn't.
Speaker 6: He has no sense of what the issues are and
Speaker 6: how they're causing grief to his family, none at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, look, let's bring up since Kel brought him up,
Speaker 2: Persudo because closer to home now and Victorian Liberal leader
Speaker 2: Brad Baden has unveiled his new shadow cabinet and he's
Speaker 2: rewarded his biggest supporters with spots on the front bench
Speaker 2: now top of leader John Persudo didn't make the cut.
Speaker 2: He was demoted to the backbench, while mister Baden's deputy
Speaker 2: Sam Groth picked up the title of shadows Special Minister
Speaker 2: of State. But Mura deeming and she was readmitted at
Speaker 2: the same party room meeting that mister Baden sees the
Speaker 2: top job. She didn't score a promotion to a shadow
Speaker 2: ministry cal Look, it wouldn't be the first time that
Speaker 2: the leader hands the best jobs to his mates.
Speaker 4: But what did he make of his picks?
Speaker 5: Well, I was trying to read between the lines. He
Speaker 5: apparently did not offer a front bench position to Pursudo,
Speaker 5: but he said I had conversations with him, and he
Speaker 5: made it clear he had other priorities. So, in other words,
Speaker 5: the hint was, and this is reading between the line stuff,
Speaker 5: the hint was, I would have put him on the
Speaker 5: front bench if he.
Speaker 1: Was happy to take it, but he didn't want it.
Speaker 1: And we know why he didn't want it.
Speaker 5: His job at the moment, he's raising millions of dollars
Speaker 5: because he's got this huge legal bill that he's got
Speaker 5: to deal with in some way, something like three million dollars.
Speaker 5: So I would think he's looking for very generous donors
Speaker 5: and that is fully occupying John Purscudo's time. Otherwise, just
Speaker 5: from what Brad Baton said, he might be there.
Speaker 2: Well, look, Luise, they say keep your friends close, but
Speaker 2: your enemy is closer.
Speaker 4: But it hasn't.
Speaker 2: Always worked for leaders when they do give front bench
Speaker 2: positions to their enemies, political enemies within their own parties.
Speaker 4: Just look at Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull for.
Speaker 2: Example, the amount of backstabbing that can happen.
Speaker 4: So maybe that was for the best.
Speaker 6: I don't think a mafia tactic in a movie you
Speaker 6: can actually always work in a political party sense. But
Speaker 6: I just want to mention more redeeming. I do think
Speaker 6: it's a shame she hasn't been given some kind of promotion,
Speaker 6: but I think she's shown herself to be an extremely
Speaker 6: strong and influential woman who a lot of the Electric
Speaker 6: Melbourne are quite fans of her as well. So I
Speaker 6: think he's mister trick there not finding a role for her.
Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think she's really conducted herself with an enormous amount
Speaker 2: of dignity on a huge pressure, not just financial, but
Speaker 2: her name was dragged through the mutter, her family was
Speaker 2: dragged through the matter, accused of associating.
Speaker 4: With Nazis, and then to put up with a.
Speaker 2: Leader who refuses to readmit her after that and uses
Speaker 2: his casting vote to keep her out of the party.
Speaker 4: At that point, absolutely appauling.
Speaker 6: He doesn't deserve a seat at the table.
Speaker 4: She does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, on one thing, you're right, kel John Pisuto
Speaker 2: shows equally poor judgment as Prince Andrew I would say,
Speaker 2: and it's probably a good thing he's as far away
Speaker 2: from the shadow front prench as possible.
Speaker 4: Looks still to come.
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris subjected to the ultimate humiliation being forced to
Speaker 2: certify her own election loss.
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: While US Vice President Kamala Harris has been forced to
Speaker 2: endure the ultimate humiliation having to certify her own election
Speaker 2: loss to Donald Trump. Donald J. Trump of the state
Speaker 2: of Florida has received three hundred and twelve votes.
Speaker 4: Kamala B. Harris Kamla D.
Speaker 2: Harris of the state of California has received two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty six votes. Cal I love that she had
Speaker 2: to just stand there while Trump gets the standing ovation,
Speaker 2: and that her own side gives Harris standing ovation for losing.
Speaker 5: There are two weird things about this. It's not unknown
Speaker 5: for the system in America is the vice president chairs
Speaker 5: the Senate, and it isn't in the Senate that the
Speaker 5: vice president has to chair the moment when the election
Speaker 5: result is certified. So that's what's happening, and that's not unusual.
Speaker 5: It's happened twice before. In two thousand, Al Gore had
Speaker 5: to certify that George W. Bush had beaten him only
Speaker 5: by hanging chads, if you'll remember in Florida, and earlier
Speaker 5: back in nineteen sixty, Richard Nixon had to certify that
Speaker 5: John Kennedy had defeated him.
Speaker 1: So that had happened before.
Speaker 5: The weird thing was all the cheering because there was
Speaker 5: a standing ovation from the Republican side of the House
Speaker 5: for Trump's win.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 5: Then there was a standing ovation for her loss from
Speaker 5: the Democrat side of the House, and you think, what
Speaker 5: are you cheering? Whyn't you listening to the numbers. The
Speaker 5: other weird moment was she walked out afterwards, and she
Speaker 5: actually did quite a good line to the platitude. But
Speaker 5: I'd been a nice enough line to the waiting media
Speaker 5: about you know, this is about the peaceful transfer of power,
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm part of the good guys because
Speaker 5: we don't do the January sixth stuff.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: I always get this feeling she still thinks she's a
Speaker 5: possible candidate for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: If that is what's going through her head.
Speaker 5: She is utterly delusional, utterly delusional, but I think it is.
Speaker 1: And I looked at her today and I.
Speaker 5: Thought, you still think, you poor thing, You still think
Speaker 5: you're in there in twenty twenty eight with the chance.
Speaker 5: There's absolutely she's offended the Democratic Party. She's offended a
Speaker 5: whole lot of the base. There's no way she's ever
Speaker 5: going to get another run at another senior political position.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that Penny has dropped yet.
Speaker 2: Oh look, a delusion seems to be a characteristic of
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. Mean, Biden is still going on about
Speaker 2: how he could have beaten Trump if they just let
Speaker 2: him stay on there and his state of obvious cognitive decline.
Speaker 4: What did he think of today's spectacle?
Speaker 6: Well, I think Kamala talking about herself in the third
Speaker 6: person is very bizarre as well. The way she sort
Speaker 6: of confidently strode out there as well. But let's not
Speaker 6: forget the night of the election when she lost. She
Speaker 6: wouldn't even go and see the party faithful. These are
Speaker 6: people who'd stayed up till three am in the morning,
Speaker 6: and she was too cowardly to go and see them
Speaker 6: then and say thank you. For all your hard work,
Speaker 6: and yes we've lost, but I really appreciate what you've
Speaker 6: done for me. In the Democratic Party, there was none
Speaker 6: of that. So for her to turn amount today and accept.
Speaker 4: Applause for losing, it's like a.
Speaker 6: Primary school version of getting a participation prize. She's lost
Speaker 6: the race, which she has done, so remind losing.
Speaker 5: In one of her videos that she put out on
Speaker 5: YouTube or Instagram wherever she put that, she actually said,
Speaker 5: we have not been defeated. You have not been defeated,
Speaker 5: She said to the viewers. They've been defeated.
Speaker 1: That's what the numbers say.
Speaker 4: You have literally been resoundingly. They cannot accept it.
Speaker 2: They still cannot accept it while they're going to have
Speaker 2: to on January twenty, aren't they Look at least, what
Speaker 2: you can say about January six is that it was
Speaker 2: orderly this year, But that doesn't mean lefties can't continue
Speaker 2: to melt down over the last one. The view co
Speaker 2: host Sunny Houston even stooped to comparing the US Capitol
Speaker 2: riots in twenty twenty one to the Holocaust.
Speaker 8: January sixth was an atrocity. It was one of the
Speaker 8: worst moments in American history. And when you think about
Speaker 8: the worst moments in American history, you know, like World
Speaker 8: War II, things that happened like the Holocaust, chattel slavery.
Speaker 2: To compare the January six rights to the Holocaust, in
Speaker 2: which six million Jews died, not to mention millions of
Speaker 2: other people, is frankly deplorable. As another famous Democrat might
Speaker 2: have put it, It trivializes an actual genocide, Luise. I
Speaker 2: mean you lose an argument the moment that you invoke
Speaker 2: the Holocaust.
Speaker 6: Either atuality the Holocaust or Hitler. If you're going to
Speaker 6: compare someone to Hitler or compare situation to the Holocaust.
Speaker 6: These are events which you can only talk about in
Speaker 6: the context of those events as well. And it's also
Speaker 6: you find it's a very ignorant person who uses that
Speaker 6: analogy to very lazy too, So she really hasn't obviously
Speaker 6: thought through the issues. Rather she's just sort of throw
Speaker 6: that out there to try and get a headline or
Speaker 6: to get a post on Facebook or Instagram or something
Speaker 6: like that. So appauling, yes, But also if there are
Speaker 6: Jewish people watching that show, I imagine they'll be turning
Speaker 6: off in drives as well.
Speaker 2: Oh look, if there's any watching the show like the Viewer.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the endless amount of content that
Speaker 2: we get that program. But we didn't see that kind
Speaker 2: of hyperbole from View co hosts when they're talking about
Speaker 2: things like the Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 5: Right now, the Black Lives Matter riots burnt Minneapolis. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's the kind of domestic rioting, which is what Actually,
Speaker 5: it wasn't an insurrection on the sixth of January four
Speaker 5: years ago. It was a bunch of mad people charging
Speaker 5: through the They couldn't do any problem and any real
Speaker 5: damage in the end in the Capitol, and they couldn't
Speaker 5: stop the certification of the election. So it was an
Speaker 5: absurd thing. And it really, if you analyze it was
Speaker 5: like any other mad mob that gets out of control,
Speaker 5: like the Black Lives Matter of people who burnt down Minneapolis,
Speaker 5: so the CBD in Minneapolis. So it was a stupid
Speaker 5: thing to do. Sunny hostin, I've got to say he's
Speaker 5: got a track record. She was the host on the
Speaker 5: View who asked Kamala Harris, when you look back over
Speaker 5: your years with Joe Biden, what would you have done differently?
Speaker 5: And she thought she was giving her a gift, and
Speaker 5: Krmala Harris being Kamala Harris that I can't think of
Speaker 5: a single thing, Oh goodness.
Speaker 2: And he actually wanted people to believe that she would
Speaker 2: be a very different type of Tess. That's right.
Speaker 5: So Sunny Hostin is obviously doing her best. And they
Speaker 5: spent the whole election campaign bagging Trump and trying to
Speaker 5: get Kamala Harris elected.
Speaker 1: They've lost.
Speaker 5: She's saying ridiculous things like this because they lost their
Speaker 5: candidate didn't get up.
Speaker 1: They're bitter about it.
Speaker 2: That's so bitter, Louise, And I mean, I'm curious to
Speaker 2: see how they respond when Trump does what he has
Speaker 2: been saying for some time now, and on day one
Speaker 2: of his presidency ends up pardoning if not all, then
Speaker 2: a lot of these writers.
Speaker 4: Who are still in jail to this day.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean some of them have got twenty two
Speaker 5: year sentences ex.
Speaker 1: Cents for that kind of event.
Speaker 4: Surely extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess if you're committing a genocide and a holocaust,
Speaker 2: maybe it.
Speaker 4: Isn't such a huge sentence.
Speaker 6: Yes, But again, to conflict the two is obscene as well.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the senses are Disproportionate's the actual
Speaker 6: crime itself I'm not defending what happened on the Capitol
Speaker 6: of that day, but.
Speaker 4: Sure it was ugly. He was ugly, and people to.
Speaker 6: Die as well. But I think it's been blown out
Speaker 6: of context to an extent. But you know, it doesn't
Speaker 6: stop the left weaponizing it every occasion. January sixth next year,
Speaker 6: I'm sure they'll bring it up as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the view co hosts were also saying that they
Speaker 2: think it should be commemorated every year, like September eleven.
Speaker 2: That was another sort of comparison they made, while also
Speaker 2: being quick to say, oh, but we're not saying it
Speaker 2: is like September eleven, but it should be commemorated every
Speaker 2: year like some kind of hallmark event in the US.
Speaker 4: Bizarre anyway.
Speaker 2: Still in the US, and Donald Trump has lost his
Speaker 2: bid to delay his sentencing in his New York hush
Speaker 2: money case. Now, the President elect was trying to get
Speaker 2: a stay.
Speaker 4: On his frit Ay sentencing.
Speaker 2: He was due to be sentenced over his conviction over
Speaker 2: money paid to pawn star Stormy Daniels, and he posted
Speaker 2: earlier to his platform Truth Social where he wrote, the
Speaker 2: judge fabricated the facts and the law no different than
Speaker 2: the other New York judicial and prosecutoratorial witch hunts. That's
Speaker 2: why businesses are fleeing New York, taking with them millions
Speaker 2: of jobs and billions of dollars in taxes. The legal
Speaker 2: system is broken and businesses can't take a chance in
Speaker 2: getting caught up in this quicksand it's all rigged in
Speaker 2: this case against a political opponent me Now, cal the
Speaker 2: judge has said he's not inclined to give the president
Speaker 2: elect an actual jail sentence.
Speaker 4: In this, but it is the principle here.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 5: Look, we have to remember the history, and it's very
Speaker 5: easy for this just to slip past us and forget
Speaker 5: the history. What he's actually committed here Trump has committed
Speaker 5: are accounting misdemeanors, and on those misdemeanor charges, because their
Speaker 5: misdemeanor charges, the statute of limitations had already expired, he
Speaker 5: couldn't be charged with them. So what they did was
Speaker 5: they increased their seriousness to a felony. And the way
Speaker 5: they did that was to say these misdemeanors were committed
Speaker 5: in the committing of another crime. They at any point
Speaker 5: in the trial specified what other crime it was. So
Speaker 5: this was a fabrication. What Trump is saying sounds a
Speaker 5: bit over the top to us Australians because we don't
Speaker 5: understand how political the American judicial system is.
Speaker 1: But it's very political.
Speaker 5: And so for that to happen, to take misdemeanors which
Speaker 5: had run out, which had expired under the Statute of limitations,
Speaker 5: pretend they are felonies because they're part of committing some
Speaker 5: other unspecified crime, and then convict him on that. That's
Speaker 5: an absurd process and it's clearly distorted. Now, this judge,
Speaker 5: Mishan is a Democrat. He's raised money for the Democrats.
Speaker 5: His daughter had worked for the state governor who's a Democrat.
Speaker 5: He and his family very heavily involved with the Democrats.
Speaker 5: It doesn't happen, doesn't seem to happen like that in Australia,
Speaker 5: although we know judges have got their own particular inclinations
Speaker 5: and that may somehow affect some of the judgments they make. Nevertheless,
Speaker 5: we don't have the sort of politicized judicial system that
Speaker 5: really he does exist in America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Louise.
Speaker 2: Like when Trump and others talk about law fair and
Speaker 2: how it's a political witch hunt, Kell's right, These are judges,
Speaker 2: who are often appointed by.
Speaker 4: A president does a prematter the Democrat.
Speaker 2: Or Republican, and they themselves identify with that party, and
Speaker 2: they're expected to make decisions that are in line with
Speaker 2: that party.
Speaker 4: It's quite extraordinary.
Speaker 2: But I don't think the appetite is there, certainly among voters.
Speaker 2: I mean, they still elected Donald Trump. They died all
Speaker 2: these attempts to solutly.
Speaker 4: They want him to be president.
Speaker 6: They want him in the White House, they want him
Speaker 6: making changes, they want him cleaning up the mess left
Speaker 6: behind by the Biden administration. They want a strong economy.
Speaker 6: He'll put America first. That's what they want. So, you know,
Speaker 6: Trump the felon, it's really a non secretary in a way.
Speaker 4: And look, that works for Trump.
Speaker 1: It worked for him. It worked for him.
Speaker 5: Every time they brought in new charges, his popularity went
Speaker 5: up exactly. And for Mashan to be doing this, it's
Speaker 5: going to do the same thing. It's just going to
Speaker 5: Trump more popular. They don't understand. They are shooting themselves
Speaker 5: in both feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly don't get it at all. Look, speaking
Speaker 2: of Trump derangement derangement syndrome, Suffering from derangement syndrome at
Speaker 2: the moment, the Pope has selected an anti Trump cardinal
Speaker 2: to become the Archbishop of Washington, DC.
Speaker 4: Now, the pontiff tapped one of the.
Speaker 2: Most progressive allies, Cardinal Robert McElroy, to head the church
Speaker 2: in the US capital. Now. He was a bishop at
Speaker 2: the time who was an open critic of Trump during
Speaker 2: the first administration. Louise, this cardinal most notably said in
Speaker 2: a speech to California faith groups a month into Trump's
Speaker 2: first presidency that we.
Speaker 4: All must become disruptors. I mean that's the job of
Speaker 4: a cardinal.
Speaker 6: I mean, a stay a leader in the Catholic Church
Speaker 6: is meant to be a unifying force. But I was
Speaker 6: raised as a Catholic. So if you went to church
Speaker 6: and you bishops and he met the priest, and you
Speaker 6: had your sacraments, be there as a unifying family, unified
Speaker 6: family as it were. Look, I know, the Vatican's very
Speaker 6: political animal and has been for centuries. But to people
Speaker 6: going to church, they want their cardinals or their priests
Speaker 6: to be preaching the values of Christianity and live together
Speaker 6: in harmony, not singling out the next president of the
Speaker 6: United States as either being anti Christian or doing the
Speaker 6: wrong thing. I mean, I member, Pope Francis attacked Trump
Speaker 6: because of the wall he wanted to build with Mexico,
Speaker 6: saying it was Unchristian, and Trump quite rightly got very
Speaker 6: upset about that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that where they diverge. I mean recently, hell,
Speaker 2: the Pope has been attacking Israel over the war in Gaza.
Speaker 2: I think he and Trump would obviously feel very differently
Speaker 2: about that conflict and how Israel has conducted it himself.
Speaker 4: Do you think itself?
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Pope's alienating a lot of
Speaker 2: people with these decisions, A lot of Catholics.
Speaker 1: I suspect her. I'm not Catholic.
Speaker 5: We need Joe here because Joe, Joe has rediscovered his
Speaker 5: Catholic roots in these days, and he'll explain it to
Speaker 5: us at some point. But so this Pope does appear
Speaker 5: to be alienating a whole lot of Catholics whose view
Speaker 5: of life is simply conservative. There are in life are
Speaker 5: two ways to go. It can either be a progressive
Speaker 5: or you can be someone who preserves. You either progress
Speaker 5: or preserve. And the progressives want to change everything, and
Speaker 5: the preserve the people who want to preserve things. The
Speaker 5: conservatives want to hang on to what's worth hanging on
Speaker 5: to and progress slowly and cautiously. Now, we don't seem
Speaker 5: to have a pope like that. As an outsider looking in,
Speaker 5: it looks to me that this is not a man
Speaker 5: who wants to preserve what is worthwhile. And the result
Speaker 5: is they're going to keep putting their foot wrong. I
Speaker 5: think progressive just make a lot of mistakes along these lines.
Speaker 5: And I'm sorry, but it looks like he's another one.
Speaker 2: And I would say progressive, not progressive a lot of
Speaker 2: the time. Lord, let's stay in the US quickly now,
Speaker 2: and Joe Biden has issued US sweeping back on offshore
Speaker 2: oil and gas drilling. In his final days and offers,
Speaker 2: the US President announced an eleventh hour executive action banning
Speaker 2: for the oil and natural gas development on more than
Speaker 2: six hundred and twenty five million acres of US coastal
Speaker 2: and offshore waters. Now. Louise Biden's call this a win
Speaker 2: for climate change, but Trump's team, I think rightly points
Speaker 2: out it could keep energy costs very high over there.
Speaker 6: Of course it will, and he knows Trump's position on
Speaker 6: renewables and how he's a fan of gas drilling. I
Speaker 6: think he said, drill, baby, drill, didn't he So this
Speaker 6: is this is equivalent of someone larning mass and throwing
Speaker 6: it over their shoulder and burning the house down as
Speaker 6: they leave the premises. It's not something he had put
Speaker 6: up six months ago, twelve months ago, but he's doing
Speaker 6: it now just to cause issues for Trump and for
Speaker 6: the industry as well, which will have a major impact
Speaker 6: on the economy.
Speaker 2: Kel you know, it's his legacy move. He says he
Speaker 2: wants to make give something to the climate change fanatics.
Speaker 2: But voters voted for didn't vote for this at the
Speaker 2: election exactly.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to work this out.
Speaker 5: It looks to me, as far as I can work
Speaker 5: it out, like an empty gesture, because the next this
Speaker 5: is just an executive order. The next executive the next president,
Speaker 5: the next bloke to Slippy's shoes underneath the the resolute
Speaker 5: desk in the Oval Office just issues another executive order
Speaker 5: reversing it. So it's only going to be in place
Speaker 5: for less than two weeks. It won't have any impact.
Speaker 5: It is an empty gesture. But that's Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: Well, let's hope it won't be around for long.
Speaker 2: Look coming up after the break is it UnAustralian to
Speaker 2: reserve beach spots?
Speaker 4: We will chat about that next Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a new trend among beachgoers who are using
Speaker 2: kabanas to reserve prime beach real estate on Victoria's Mornington Peninsula,
Speaker 2: and it's been slanmed as entitled an UnAustralian The latest
Speaker 2: summer accessory. The cool cabana is being used to bags
Speaker 2: the best spot on the beach as early birds flock
Speaker 2: there to mark their territory before returning whenever it suits them. Louise, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I was in the South Coast last week for my
Speaker 2: one week summer break and these cabanas were everywhere.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there early enough to see them empty.
Speaker 2: But if I rocked up to the beach and I
Speaker 2: saw a bunch of empty tents or cabanas, I think
Speaker 2: I'd just move one if I wanted to get that spot.
Speaker 6: I was very disappointed to see this story because to me,
Speaker 6: it's the full import of the terrible euro trend of
Speaker 6: putting out your tail and the sun lander at five
Speaker 6: thirty am, spending the entire day away from said sun lander,
Speaker 6: and then turning up at three pm expecting to be
Speaker 6: to lie there and have a good sunbathe So yes,
Speaker 6: I think if you do see an empty cabana, please
Speaker 6: move it. Plus they're big structures.
Speaker 4: They're not so easy to move.
Speaker 1: Now the size of them is the problem. Yea, I
Speaker 1: look it up.
Speaker 5: They're an average for the beach of eighteen feet by
Speaker 5: sixteen feet, which means they have a capacity of two
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty eight square feet. Sorry, it's the old money,
Speaker 5: It's all I understand. But that's big. So they're taking
Speaker 5: up a lot of beach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, and they are everywhere. They've suddenly completely exploded.
Speaker 2: They don't look terrible, but I do think it is UnAustralian.
Speaker 6: Interestingly, I almost agree with Albanezy on this because he
Speaker 6: said the beach is for everyone. That was his view
Speaker 6: that we should all have access to the beach. And
Speaker 6: if you've got people plotted these kabanas like taking over
Speaker 6: the real estate of Seaford Beach, all the Gold Coast
Speaker 6: or something like that, then how does the a new
Speaker 6: person who stumbles out abd at eleven o'clock in the
Speaker 6: morning get to line the sun and have a fun
Speaker 6: day with their family. It is on Australian to actually
Speaker 6: square off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Albot did speak about this today and who knew
Speaker 2: it would be on our twenty twenty five bingo card
Speaker 2: turgree with something he said this earlier in the year. Look,
Speaker 2: finally Joe Biden has put his foot in it again
Speaker 2: after in biding someone to come up a White House
Speaker 2: guest to sing Happy Birthday to him on stage, and
Speaker 2: then forgetting his name, Happy.
Speaker 1: Birthday, Happy birth.
Speaker 2: I love how he thought he could just mumble and
Speaker 2: no one would notice.
Speaker 4: I do the same thing in my.
Speaker 5: Car when allowing him in public these days his elder abuse.
Speaker 4: It really is at this point. Look, thank you for
Speaker 4: your time tonight.
Speaker 2: That is all the time we have for I'll be
Speaker 2: back tomorrow night with the Late Debate up next, Secrets
Speaker 2: of My Success